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Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C

From Bart <bc@freeuk.com>
Newsgroups comp.programming.threads, comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C
Date 2022-03-02 13:47 +0000
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On 02/03/2022 04:46, Bonita Montero wrote:
> Am 02.03.2022 um 05:45 schrieb Lynn McGuire:
>> On 2/28/2022 11:44 AM, Bonita Montero wrote:
>>> Am 28.02.2022 um 17:43 schrieb Amine Moulay Ramdane:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C
>>>>
>>>> The Linux kernel's foundation is the ancient C89 standard of C. Now, 
>>>> Torvalds has decided to upgrade to 2011's more modern C11 standard.
>>>>
>>>> Read more here:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-prepares-to-move-the-linux-kernel-to-modern-c/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0h&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A%20Trending%20Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1oF1ysACG28YRYJnnYlt7oCzfRhXSUePOKd4xsycb3F8GGwxIfeAXZI8Y 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Amine Moulay Ramdane.
>>>
>>> C isn't a modern language, no matter which standard.
>>
>> What is your definition of a modern language ?
> 
> OOP, RAII, generic programming, functional programming,
> proper error-handling like with exceptions.

They all sound like things designed to make coding harder and less 
accessible.

What is available now are almost limitless resources which languages 
tend to use in the wrong ways, IMO. Such as making hugely complex 
installations.

My own stuff over the last few years has introduced:

* Whole-program compilers
* 64-bit everything (C is still stuck on 32-bits)
* Super-fast compilers ...
* ... which are enough to run programs from source, subject to project scale

While at same time striving for clean, easy-to-understand syntax.

Perhaps your idea of a modern language is the torturous C++ examples you 
keep churning out (so complex you can't even see needless duplications); 
that's not mine!

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Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Amine Moulay Ramdane <aminer68@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 08:43 -0800
  Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 18:44 +0100
    Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 19:26 -0600
      Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C rthiebaud <thiebauddick2@aol.com> - 2022-02-28 20:29 -0500
        Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 20:23 -0600
          Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2022-03-01 11:34 +0000
          Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 14:31 +0100
            Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-03-01 17:25 +0100
              Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 18:13 +0100
                Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-03-01 19:42 +0100
                Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 19:56 +0100
                Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-03-03 21:41 +0000
          Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-03-01 15:14 +0000
      Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Kaz Kylheku <480-992-1380@kylheku.com> - 2022-03-01 01:37 +0000
      Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Manu Raju <MR@invalid.invalid> - 2022-03-01 05:11 +0000
      Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 08:31 +0100
    Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 22:45 -0600
      Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-03-02 05:46 +0100
        Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2022-03-02 13:47 +0000
          Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C rthiebaud <thiebauddick2@aol.com> - 2022-03-02 13:06 -0500
            Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2022-03-02 19:19 +0000
              Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2022-03-02 19:32 -0600
                Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2022-03-03 14:56 +1100
                Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-03-03 14:02 +0100
              Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2022-03-03 15:09 +0100
                Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-03-03 15:14 +0100
          Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-03-02 19:17 +0100
        Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-03-02 14:42 +0000
          Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-03-02 19:18 +0100
            Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-03-02 18:33 +0000
              Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-03-02 19:39 +0100
                Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-03-02 11:05 -0800
    Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-03-03 12:25 -0800
      Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-03-03 21:37 +0100
        Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-03-03 12:59 -0800
          Re: Linus Torvalds prepares to move the Linux kernel to modern C Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-03-04 11:35 +0100

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