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Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out

From	Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.networking, alt.comp.freeware, alt.internet.wireless
Subject	Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out
Date	2013-10-09 11:28 -0700
Message-ID	<bblli5FpunoU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
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billy wrote:
> Tauno Voipio wrote:
>
>> TCP should be able to find a suitable segment size, but it needs
>> an ICMP message for the functionality. There are sysadmins killing
>> all ICMP, in an attempt to hide from ICMP echo (ping). This could
>> be the cause here.
>
> What I don't understand is whether the web browser, which is the
> problem observed, is using ICMP or TCP.
>
> Q: What is the web browser using? (ICMP? TCP?)

TCP.  But the 'process' involves TCP/IP.

It would be of value for you to learn about the protocols.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_protocol_suite

The article breaks down the different layers of the suite.

But your 'breakdown' is more than just the browser, so you should also 
understand the protocols used by your tools of investigation.

Standard ping = ICMP  (also there is UDP pinger)
traceroute and tracert also can come in 'flavors' ICMP, UDP, and TCP

Some hop obstructions or 'holes' are related to protocol.

-- 
Mike Easter

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Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-08 03:32 +0000
  Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2013-10-08 15:37 +1100
    Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-09 14:26 +0000
      Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Thomas Keusch <fwd+usenet-spam2013q4-1381444031@spam2013q4.bsd-solutions-duesseldorf.de> - 2013-10-10 22:32 +0000
  Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out David Hough <noone$$@llondel.org> - 2013-10-08 07:30 +0100
    Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Chris Davies <chris-usenet@roaima.co.uk> - 2013-10-08 19:32 +0100
      Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2013-10-08 23:16 +0300
        Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-09 17:39 +0000
          Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2013-10-09 11:28 -0700
            Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-09 18:52 +0000
              Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2013-10-09 22:47 +0300
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-09 20:50 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-09 21:30 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-10 01:05 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-10 01:09 +0000
              Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-09 19:51 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-09 20:42 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out ~BD~ <~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> - 2013-10-09 22:09 +0100
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-10 01:07 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out ~BD~ <~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> - 2013-10-10 07:41 +0100
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-09 21:36 +0000
              Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2013-10-09 15:51 -0700
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-10 00:15 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-10 00:19 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-10 00:33 +0000
      Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-09 10:54 +0000
      Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-09 11:09 +0000
        Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out "ps56k" <pschuman_no5pam_m3@interserv.com> - 2013-10-10 16:34 -0500
          Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-10 22:40 +0000
            Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out "ps56k" <pschuman_no5pam_m3@interserv.com> - 2013-10-10 18:27 -0500
              Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com> - 2013-10-10 16:49 -0700
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-11 00:40 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Thomas Keusch <fwd+usenet-spam2013q4-1381456101@spam2013q4.bsd-solutions-duesseldorf.de> - 2013-10-11 01:50 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-11 03:24 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out dyrmak <dyrmak@orange.fr.invalid> - 2013-10-11 08:50 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-11 14:26 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-11 16:03 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-11 20:19 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-11 20:38 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2013-10-11 21:34 +0300
          Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Chris Davies <chris-usenet@roaima.co.uk> - 2013-10-11 00:00 +0100
      Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-09 11:18 +0000
        Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2013-10-09 15:16 +0300
          Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-09 17:41 +0000
            Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Chris Davies <chris-usenet@roaima.co.uk> - 2013-10-09 19:22 +0100
              Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-09 21:18 +0000
            Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com> - 2013-10-09 20:44 +0000
              Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-09 21:46 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-10 00:39 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com> - 2013-10-10 01:30 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-10 01:32 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2013-10-09 22:25 -0400
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-10 03:48 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-10 05:10 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out ein <ein@no.spam> - 2013-10-10 13:24 +0200
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Chris Davies <chris-usenet@roaima.co.uk> - 2013-10-10 10:31 +0100
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-10 17:37 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Chris Davies <chris-usenet@roaima.co.uk> - 2013-10-11 00:01 +0100
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-10 20:21 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-10 21:04 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-11 01:18 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Chris Davies <chris-usenet@roaima.co.uk> - 2013-10-11 00:03 +0100
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-11 00:57 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-11 01:07 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-10-11 08:56 +0100
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-10 00:47 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-10 00:58 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com> - 2013-10-10 01:24 +0000
        Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2013-10-09 12:23 +0000
        Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Chris Davies <chris-usenet@roaima.co.uk> - 2013-10-09 19:27 +0100
          Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-09 21:21 +0000
            Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-09 21:47 +0000
    Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-09 10:43 +0000
    Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-09 10:51 +0000
      Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out nemesis <nemesis@home.it> - 2013-10-09 08:14 -0300
        Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2013-10-09 12:24 +0100
          Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out nemesis <nemesis@home.it> - 2013-10-09 08:42 -0300
          Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-09 13:57 +0000
            Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2013-10-09 15:09 +0100
        Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-09 11:27 +0000
          Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out nemesis <nemesis@home.it> - 2013-10-09 08:58 -0300
            Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-09 18:44 +0000
              Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-09 19:58 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-09 21:23 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-09 21:38 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2013-10-09 16:14 -0700
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-10 00:30 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2013-10-09 18:02 -0700
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com> - 2013-10-10 01:37 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-10 03:17 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-10 20:03 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-10 20:06 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-09 21:27 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-09 22:15 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-10 00:35 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2013-10-10 09:15 +0100
          Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-11 01:40 +0000
            Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out nemesis <nemesis@home.it> - 2013-10-10 23:03 -0300
              Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-11 14:43 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out ~BD~ <~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> - 2013-10-11 16:11 +0100
            Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-11 04:11 +0000
              Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-11 04:19 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-11 04:25 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-11 04:45 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out ein <ein@no.spam> - 2013-10-11 08:06 +0200
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-11 14:32 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-11 14:41 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-11 14:48 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-10-11 09:00 +0100
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-11 14:30 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com> - 2013-10-14 19:20 +0000
            Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2013-10-11 10:17 +0100
              Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out billy <billy@is.invalid> - 2013-10-11 14:23 +0000
                Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2013-10-11 22:46 +0100
            Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Scott Hemphill <hemphill@hemphills.net> - 2013-10-14 16:47 -0400
      Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-09 16:17 +0000
  Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out "ps56k" <pschuman_no5pam_m3@interserv.com> - 2013-10-10 16:41 -0500
    Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2013-10-10 15:16 -0700
      Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2013-10-10 15:18 -0700
        Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out "ps56k" <pschuman_no5pam_m3@interserv.com> - 2013-10-13 14:34 -0500
          Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2013-10-13 14:27 -0700
            Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out "ps56k" <pschuman_no5pam_m3@interserv.com> - 2013-10-17 14:58 -0500
  Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out "petrus bitbyter" <petrus.bitbyter@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-11 22:17 +0200
  Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out "petrus bitbyter" <petrus.bitbyter@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-11 22:42 +0200
    Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-10-11 21:16 +0000
      Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2013-10-11 18:15 -0400
      Re: Frustrated that I don't UNDERSTAND why my network times out "petrus bitbyter" <petrus.bitbyter@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-13 02:04 +0200

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