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  Product LockIn no.top.post@gmail.com - 2016-03-25 12:54 +0000
    Re: Product LockIn Rick Pikul/Chakat Firepaw <chakatfirepaw@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 22:52 +0000
      Re: Product LockIn colonel_hack@yahoo.com - 2016-03-25 21:28 -0700
      Re: Product LockIn Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 12:53 +0000
        Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-26 13:07 +0000
          Re: Product LockIn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2016-03-27 11:47 -0700
            Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-28 01:10 +0100
              Re: Product LockIn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2016-03-27 17:58 -0700
                Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-28 10:46 +0100
                  Re: Product LockIn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2016-03-28 12:33 -0700
                  Re: Product LockIn Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-28 20:30 +0000
                    Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-28 21:47 +0100
                    Re: Product LockIn Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2016-03-29 02:28 +0000
                Re: Product LockIn Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2016-03-28 08:12 -0400
                  Re: Product LockIn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2016-03-28 07:11 -0700
        Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-26 15:18 +0100
          Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-26 15:04 +0000
            Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-26 21:25 +0100
              Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-27 12:05 +0100
                Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-27 15:57 +0200
                  Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-29 12:26 +0200
                Re: Product LockIn Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-03-27 14:45 +0000
                  Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-27 16:25 +0100
                    Re: Product LockIn Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-03-27 16:05 +0000
                      Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-29 04:35 +0200
                      Re: Product LockIn Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2016-03-31 01:59 +0000
                        Re: Product LockIn Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2016-03-30 21:15 -0700
                        Re: Product LockIn Chick Tower <c.tower@deadspam.com> - 2016-03-31 16:36 +0000
                          Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-04-01 03:45 +0200
                            Re: Product LockIn "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2016-04-01 21:54 +0200
                              Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-04-01 22:46 +0200
                    Re: Product LockIn Mark Carroll <mtbc@ixod.org> - 2016-03-27 18:14 +0100
                    Re: Product LockIn Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-03-27 20:52 +0100
                      Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-28 01:12 +0100
                        Re: Product LockIn Mark Carroll <mtbc@ixod.org> - 2016-03-28 08:32 +0100
                        Re: Product LockIn Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-03-28 11:47 +0100
                        Re: Product LockIn Aaron Baugher <aaron@baugher.biz> - 2016-03-28 07:07 -0500
                    Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-29 04:32 +0200
              Re: Product LockIn "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2016-03-27 15:07 +0200
                Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-27 15:54 +0200
                  Re: Product LockIn "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2016-03-28 01:34 +0200
          Re: Product LockIn no.top.post@gmail.com - 2016-03-28 02:55 +0000
            Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-29 04:44 +0200
        Re: Product LockIn Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-03-26 19:05 +0000
    Re: Product LockIn sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2016-03-30 14:37 +0000

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#17101 — Product LockIn

Companies like to call it "brand loyalty".
I call it "product lock-in".
Like when you were addicted to Lucky-Strike for 50 years.

Since when the local ISP fell-out because it [or perhaps I] couldn't
connect via the new wireless-phone, I was forced to use gmail.

This web-based clown system wants to go on-line, and won't accept
further editing, so you lose your previous work, when you <Enter>
the "Subject" field. Apparently the user should just mouse [or perhaps
Tab] when the Subject field is done?
 
One reason why zillions of victims rely on gmail, is that they are
prepared to retrain themselves to its quirks.

That's how these waves of fads sweep through societies.

How do people tolerate the continual pressure to "update" their
product, when the products from the 90's didn't have these problems?

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#17102

On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 12:54:45 +0000, no.top.post wrote:

> This web-based clown system wants to go on-line, and won't accept
> further editing, so you lose your previous work, when you <Enter>
> the "Subject" field. Apparently the user should just mouse [or perhaps
> Tab] when the Subject field is done?

I'll let you in on a little secret:  Gmail supports IMAP, you can use 
just about any mail client you want.  There is nothing forcing you to use 
the web interface.

-- 
Chakat Firepaw - Inventor and Scientist (mad)

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#17103

On Fri, 25 Mar 2016, Rick Pikul/Chakat Firepaw wrote:

>
> I'll let you in on a little secret:

I'll let /you/ in on a secret: It's a troll.

   Ron

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#17104

On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 22:52:01 +0000, Rick Pikul/Chakat Firepaw wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 12:54:45 +0000, no.top.post wrote:
> 
>> This web-based clown system wants to go on-line, and won't accept
>> further editing, so you lose your previous work, when you <Enter> the
>> "Subject" field. Apparently the user should just mouse [or perhaps Tab]
>> when the Subject field is done?
> 
> I'll let you in on a little secret:  Gmail supports IMAP, you can use
> just about any mail client you want.  There is nothing forcing you to
> use the web interface.

Yes, I've read that often; and pop too.
IIRC I tried mutt with IMAP once and rejected it, because it assumed
an always on-line connection. I need to send and fetch in a one-shot
60 seconds connection.

Now I tried thunderbird [another cartoon-based system].
Google shows plenty of discussions about the error-that-it-gives me too.
It's as if thunderbird must use a different password to web-based, which
would be absurd.

What really pisses me off, is these continual <Life is better with Coke>
like messages of <you should "update" your browser>.

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#17105

On 26/03/16 12:53, Unknown wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 22:52:01 +0000, Rick Pikul/Chakat Firepaw wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 12:54:45 +0000, no.top.post wrote:
>>
>>> This web-based clown system wants to go on-line, and won't accept
>>> further editing, so you lose your previous work, when you <Enter> the
>>> "Subject" field. Apparently the user should just mouse [or perhaps Tab]
>>> when the Subject field is done?
>>
>> I'll let you in on a little secret:  Gmail supports IMAP, you can use
>> just about any mail client you want.  There is nothing forcing you to
>> use the web interface.
>
> Yes, I've read that often; and pop too.
> IIRC I tried mutt with IMAP once and rejected it, because it assumed
> an always on-line connection. I need to send and fetch in a one-shot
> 60 seconds connection.
>
> Now I tried thunderbird [another cartoon-based system].
> Google shows plenty of discussions about the error-that-it-gives me too.
> It's as if thunderbird must use a different password to web-based, which
> would be absurd.
>
> What really pisses me off, is these continual <Life is better with Coke>
> like messages of <you should "update" your browser>.
>
Use POP if you want to permanently remove mails from the server

http://www.hesk.com/knowledgebase/?article=72

gives the target, port and protocols

You need to enable POP forwarding on gmail tho


Thudderbored is OK at all this.




-- 
All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that 
all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is 
fully understood.

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#17118

On 03/26/2016 06:07 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 26/03/16 12:53, Unknown wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 22:52:01 +0000, Rick Pikul/Chakat Firepaw wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 12:54:45 +0000, no.top.post wrote:
>>>
>>>> This web-based clown system wants to go on-line, and won't accept
>>>> further editing, so you lose your previous work, when you <Enter> the
>>>> "Subject" field. Apparently the user should just mouse [or perhaps Tab]
>>>> when the Subject field is done?
>>>
>>> I'll let you in on a little secret:  Gmail supports IMAP, you can use
>>> just about any mail client you want.  There is nothing forcing you to
>>> use the web interface.
>>
>> Yes, I've read that often; and pop too.
>> IIRC I tried mutt with IMAP once and rejected it, because it assumed
>> an always on-line connection. I need to send and fetch in a one-shot
>> 60 seconds connection.
>>
>> Now I tried thunderbird [another cartoon-based system].
>> Google shows plenty of discussions about the error-that-it-gives me too.
>> It's as if thunderbird must use a different password to web-based, which
>> would be absurd.
>>
>> What really pisses me off, is these continual <Life is better with Coke>
>> like messages of <you should "update" your browser>.
>>
> Use POP if you want to permanently remove mails from the server
>
> http://www.hesk.com/knowledgebase/?article=72
>
> gives the target, port and protocols
>
> You need to enable POP forwarding on gmail tho
>
>
> Thudderbored is OK at all this.
>

	I have used POP3 on 2 different systems which refuse
to clean out the downloaded e-mails on their own.  I make
it a part of my routine to access the mail servers web interface and
delete those mails.  I leave the spam in a spam directory for
the server to hopefully learn from.  For the spam that makes
to my machine I have lengthy filters which directly move filtered
stuff to my Trash on Thunderbird.
	You can still turn off the cartoons on the latest version
of Thunderbird and I prefer text menus and text-labeled buttons.

	bliss


	

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#17121

On 27/03/16 19:47, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 03/26/2016 06:07 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 26/03/16 12:53, Unknown wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 22:52:01 +0000, Rick Pikul/Chakat Firepaw wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 12:54:45 +0000, no.top.post wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This web-based clown system wants to go on-line, and won't accept
>>>>> further editing, so you lose your previous work, when you <Enter> the
>>>>> "Subject" field. Apparently the user should just mouse [or perhaps
>>>>> Tab]
>>>>> when the Subject field is done?
>>>>
>>>> I'll let you in on a little secret:  Gmail supports IMAP, you can use
>>>> just about any mail client you want.  There is nothing forcing you to
>>>> use the web interface.
>>>
>>> Yes, I've read that often; and pop too.
>>> IIRC I tried mutt with IMAP once and rejected it, because it assumed
>>> an always on-line connection. I need to send and fetch in a one-shot
>>> 60 seconds connection.
>>>
>>> Now I tried thunderbird [another cartoon-based system].
>>> Google shows plenty of discussions about the error-that-it-gives me too.
>>> It's as if thunderbird must use a different password to web-based, which
>>> would be absurd.
>>>
>>> What really pisses me off, is these continual <Life is better with Coke>
>>> like messages of <you should "update" your browser>.
>>>
>> Use POP if you want to permanently remove mails from the server
>>
>> http://www.hesk.com/knowledgebase/?article=72
>>
>> gives the target, port and protocols
>>
>> You need to enable POP forwarding on gmail tho
>>
>>
>> Thudderbored is OK at all this.
>>
>
>      I have used POP3 on 2 different systems which refuse
> to clean out the downloaded e-mails on their own.  I make
> it a part of my routine to access the mail servers web interface and
> delete those mails.  I leave the spam in a spam directory for
> the server to hopefully learn from.  For the spam that makes
> to my machine I have lengthy filters which directly move filtered
> stuff to my Trash on Thunderbird.
>      You can still turn off the cartoons on the latest version
> of Thunderbird and I prefer text menus and text-labeled buttons.
>

What cartoons? I have used th-udderbird for years and nevere noticed any?

>      bliss
>
>
>
>


-- 
To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.

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#17123

On 03/27/2016 05:10 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 27/03/16 19:47, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 03/26/2016 06:07 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 26/03/16 12:53, Unknown wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 22:52:01 +0000, Rick Pikul/Chakat Firepaw wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 12:54:45 +0000, no.top.post wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This web-based clown system wants to go on-line, and won't accept
>>>>>> further editing, so you lose your previous work, when you <Enter> the
>>>>>> "Subject" field. Apparently the user should just mouse [or perhaps
>>>>>> Tab]
>>>>>> when the Subject field is done?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll let you in on a little secret:  Gmail supports IMAP, you can use
>>>>> just about any mail client you want.  There is nothing forcing you to
>>>>> use the web interface.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I've read that often; and pop too.
>>>> IIRC I tried mutt with IMAP once and rejected it, because it assumed
>>>> an always on-line connection. I need to send and fetch in a one-shot
>>>> 60 seconds connection.
>>>>
>>>> Now I tried thunderbird [another cartoon-based system].
>>>> Google shows plenty of discussions about the error-that-it-gives me
>>>> too.
>>>> It's as if thunderbird must use a different password to web-based,
>>>> which
>>>> would be absurd.
>>>>
>>>> What really pisses me off, is these continual <Life is better with
>>>> Coke>
>>>> like messages of <you should "update" your browser>.
>>>>
>>> Use POP if you want to permanently remove mails from the server
>>>
>>> http://www.hesk.com/knowledgebase/?article=72
>>>
>>> gives the target, port and protocols
>>>
>>> You need to enable POP forwarding on gmail tho
>>>
>>>
>>> Thudderbored is OK at all this.
>>>
>>
>>      I have used POP3 on 2 different systems which refuse
>> to clean out the downloaded e-mails on their own.  I make
>> it a part of my routine to access the mail servers web interface and
>> delete those mails.  I leave the spam in a spam directory for
>> the server to hopefully learn from.  For the spam that makes
>> to my machine I have lengthy filters which directly move filtered
>> stuff to my Trash on Thunderbird.
>>      You can still turn off the cartoons on the latest version
>> of Thunderbird and I prefer text menus and text-labeled buttons.
>>
>
> What cartoons? I have used th-udderbird for years and nevere noticed any?
>
>>      bliss

	The icons on buttons which can have text with them which
icons are personally confusing to me.  Someone else called them
cartoons originally and I thought it apt because they sure are
not fine art,

	bliss

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#17126

On 28/03/16 01:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 03/27/2016 05:10 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 27/03/16 19:47, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>> On 03/26/2016 06:07 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 26/03/16 12:53, Unknown wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 22:52:01 +0000, Rick Pikul/Chakat Firepaw wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 12:54:45 +0000, no.top.post wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This web-based clown system wants to go on-line, and won't accept
>>>>>>> further editing, so you lose your previous work, when you <Enter>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> "Subject" field. Apparently the user should just mouse [or perhaps
>>>>>>> Tab]
>>>>>>> when the Subject field is done?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll let you in on a little secret:  Gmail supports IMAP, you can use
>>>>>> just about any mail client you want.  There is nothing forcing you to
>>>>>> use the web interface.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I've read that often; and pop too.
>>>>> IIRC I tried mutt with IMAP once and rejected it, because it assumed
>>>>> an always on-line connection. I need to send and fetch in a one-shot
>>>>> 60 seconds connection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I tried thunderbird [another cartoon-based system].
>>>>> Google shows plenty of discussions about the error-that-it-gives me
>>>>> too.
>>>>> It's as if thunderbird must use a different password to web-based,
>>>>> which
>>>>> would be absurd.
>>>>>
>>>>> What really pisses me off, is these continual <Life is better with
>>>>> Coke>
>>>>> like messages of <you should "update" your browser>.
>>>>>
>>>> Use POP if you want to permanently remove mails from the server
>>>>
>>>> http://www.hesk.com/knowledgebase/?article=72
>>>>
>>>> gives the target, port and protocols
>>>>
>>>> You need to enable POP forwarding on gmail tho
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thudderbored is OK at all this.
>>>>
>>>
>>>      I have used POP3 on 2 different systems which refuse
>>> to clean out the downloaded e-mails on their own.  I make
>>> it a part of my routine to access the mail servers web interface and
>>> delete those mails.  I leave the spam in a spam directory for
>>> the server to hopefully learn from.  For the spam that makes
>>> to my machine I have lengthy filters which directly move filtered
>>> stuff to my Trash on Thunderbird.
>>>      You can still turn off the cartoons on the latest version
>>> of Thunderbird and I prefer text menus and text-labeled buttons.
>>>
>>
>> What cartoons? I have used th-udderbird for years and nevere noticed any?
>>
>>>      bliss
>
>      The icons on buttons which can have text with them which
> icons are personally confusing to me.  Someone else called them
> cartoons originally and I thought it apt because they sure are
> not fine art,
>
Until you mentioned that I wasn't even consciously ware that the control 
options had in fact icons as well as text. Everything does these days it 
seems.

Part of the Onward March Of Progress towards a completely (instead of 
partially) illiterate society.


>      bliss
>


-- 
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's 
too dark to read.

Groucho Marx

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#17131

On 03/28/2016 02:46 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 28/03/16 01:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 03/27/2016 05:10 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 27/03/16 19:47, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>> On 03/26/2016 06:07 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 26/03/16 12:53, Unknown wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 22:52:01 +0000, Rick Pikul/Chakat Firepaw wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 12:54:45 +0000, no.top.post wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This web-based clown system wants to go on-line, and won't accept
>>>>>>>> further editing, so you lose your previous work, when you <Enter>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> "Subject" field. Apparently the user should just mouse [or perhaps
>>>>>>>> Tab]
>>>>>>>> when the Subject field is done?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll let you in on a little secret:  Gmail supports IMAP, you can
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> just about any mail client you want.  There is nothing forcing
>>>>>>> you to
>>>>>>> use the web interface.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I've read that often; and pop too.
>>>>>> IIRC I tried mutt with IMAP once and rejected it, because it assumed
>>>>>> an always on-line connection. I need to send and fetch in a one-shot
>>>>>> 60 seconds connection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now I tried thunderbird [another cartoon-based system].
>>>>>> Google shows plenty of discussions about the error-that-it-gives me
>>>>>> too.
>>>>>> It's as if thunderbird must use a different password to web-based,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> would be absurd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What really pisses me off, is these continual <Life is better with
>>>>>> Coke>
>>>>>> like messages of <you should "update" your browser>.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Use POP if you want to permanently remove mails from the server
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.hesk.com/knowledgebase/?article=72
>>>>>
>>>>> gives the target, port and protocols
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to enable POP forwarding on gmail tho
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thudderbored is OK at all this.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      I have used POP3 on 2 different systems which refuse
>>>> to clean out the downloaded e-mails on their own.  I make
>>>> it a part of my routine to access the mail servers web interface and
>>>> delete those mails.  I leave the spam in a spam directory for
>>>> the server to hopefully learn from.  For the spam that makes
>>>> to my machine I have lengthy filters which directly move filtered
>>>> stuff to my Trash on Thunderbird.
>>>>      You can still turn off the cartoons on the latest version
>>>> of Thunderbird and I prefer text menus and text-labeled buttons.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What cartoons? I have used th-udderbird for years and nevere noticed
>>> any?
>>>
>>>>      bliss
>>
>>      The icons on buttons which can have text with them which
>> icons are personally confusing to me.  Someone else called them
>> cartoons originally and I thought it apt because they sure are
>> not fine art,
>>
> Until you mentioned that I wasn't even consciously ware that the control
> options had in fact icons as well as text. Everything does these days it
> seems.
>
> Part of the Onward March Of Progress towards a completely (instead of
> partially) illiterate society.

	Yep.  So it seems but then PBS shows on attempts to improve
basic education cheer me up again.
	
	bliss

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#17132

On 2016-03-28, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 28/03/16 01:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>
>> On 03/27/2016 05:10 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>>>      You can still turn off the cartoons on the latest version
>>>> of Thunderbird and I prefer text menus and text-labeled buttons.
>>>
>>> What cartoons? I have used th-udderbird for years and nevere noticed any?
>>
>>      The icons on buttons which can have text with them which
>> icons are personally confusing to me.  Someone else called them
>> cartoons originally and I thought it apt because they sure are
>> not fine art,
>
> Until you mentioned that I wasn't even consciously ware that the control 
> options had in fact icons as well as text. Everything does these days it 
> seems.
>
> Part of the Onward March Of Progress towards a completely (instead of 
> partially) illiterate society.

Now, now.  We're just trying to eliminate discrimination.  Instead
of having text labels which can't be understood by anyone who doesn't
speak English or know what the terms mean, we'll soon have hieroglyphics
which can't be understood by anybody.  In this wondrous new future,
everybody will be equal.

-- 
/~\  cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs)
\ /  I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way.
 X   Top-posted messages will probably be ignored.  See RFC1855.
/ \  HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored.  Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!

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#17133

On 28/03/16 21:30, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2016-03-28, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 28/03/16 01:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/27/2016 05:10 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>>>       You can still turn off the cartoons on the latest version
>>>>> of Thunderbird and I prefer text menus and text-labeled buttons.
>>>>
>>>> What cartoons? I have used th-udderbird for years and nevere noticed any?
>>>
>>>       The icons on buttons which can have text with them which
>>> icons are personally confusing to me.  Someone else called them
>>> cartoons originally and I thought it apt because they sure are
>>> not fine art,
>>
>> Until you mentioned that I wasn't even consciously ware that the control
>> options had in fact icons as well as text. Everything does these days it
>> seems.
>>
>> Part of the Onward March Of Progress towards a completely (instead of
>> partially) illiterate society.
>
> Now, now.  We're just trying to eliminate discrimination.

Ah. So basically if we lose the ability to discriminate, no one will be 
able to tell their arse from their elbow!

Suddenly Cultural Marxism makes complete sense..

Instead
> of having text labels which can't be understood by anyone who doesn't
> speak English or know what the terms mean, we'll soon have hieroglyphics
> which can't be understood by anybody.  In this wondrous new future,
> everybody will be equal ->
-> ly dead.

IYSWIM



-- 
"The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll 
look exactly the same afterwards."

Billy Connolly

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#17134

On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 20:30:03 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> In this wondrous new future, everybody will be equal.

Some, however, will be more equal than the others. 



-- 
Mladen Gogala
The Oracle Whisperer
http://mgogala.byethost5.com

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#17129

On 03/27/2016 08:58 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 03/27/2016 05:10 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 27/03/16 19:47, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>> On 03/26/2016 06:07 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 26/03/16 12:53, Unknown wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 22:52:01 +0000, Rick Pikul/Chakat Firepaw wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 12:54:45 +0000, no.top.post wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This web-based clown system wants to go on-line, and won't accept
>>>>>>> further editing, so you lose your previous work, when you <Enter> the
>>>>>>> "Subject" field. Apparently the user should just mouse [or perhaps
>>>>>>> Tab]
>>>>>>> when the Subject field is done?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll let you in on a little secret:  Gmail supports IMAP, you can use
>>>>>> just about any mail client you want.  There is nothing forcing you to
>>>>>> use the web interface.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I've read that often; and pop too.
>>>>> IIRC I tried mutt with IMAP once and rejected it, because it assumed
>>>>> an always on-line connection. I need to send and fetch in a one-shot
>>>>> 60 seconds connection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I tried thunderbird [another cartoon-based system].
>>>>> Google shows plenty of discussions about the error-that-it-gives me
>>>>> too.
>>>>> It's as if thunderbird must use a different password to web-based,
>>>>> which
>>>>> would be absurd.
>>>>>
>>>>> What really pisses me off, is these continual <Life is better with
>>>>> Coke>
>>>>> like messages of <you should "update" your browser>.
>>>>>
>>>> Use POP if you want to permanently remove mails from the server
>>>>
>>>> http://www.hesk.com/knowledgebase/?article=72
>>>>
>>>> gives the target, port and protocols
>>>>
>>>> You need to enable POP forwarding on gmail tho
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thudderbored is OK at all this.
>>>>
>>>
>>>       I have used POP3 on 2 different systems which refuse
>>> to clean out the downloaded e-mails on their own.  I make
>>> it a part of my routine to access the mail servers web interface and
>>> delete those mails.  I leave the spam in a spam directory for
>>> the server to hopefully learn from.  For the spam that makes
>>> to my machine I have lengthy filters which directly move filtered
>>> stuff to my Trash on Thunderbird.
>>>       You can still turn off the cartoons on the latest version
>>> of Thunderbird and I prefer text menus and text-labeled buttons.
>>>
>>
>> What cartoons? I have used th-udderbird for years and nevere noticed any?
>>
>>>       bliss
>
> 	The icons on buttons which can have text with them which
> icons are personally confusing to me.  Someone else called them
> cartoons originally and I thought it apt because they sure are
> not fine art,
>
> 	bliss
>
  You don't have to use the icons. You can have text only.
Right click Menu Bar>Customize>Show: whatever you choose.

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#17130

On 03/28/2016 05:12 AM, Caver1 wrote:
> On 03/27/2016 08:58 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 03/27/2016 05:10 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 27/03/16 19:47, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>> On 03/26/2016 06:07 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 26/03/16 12:53, Unknown wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 22:52:01 +0000, Rick Pikul/Chakat Firepaw wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 12:54:45 +0000, no.top.post wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This web-based clown system wants to go on-line, and won't accept
>>>>>>>> further editing, so you lose your previous work, when you
>>>>>>>> <Enter> the
>>>>>>>> "Subject" field. Apparently the user should just mouse [or perhaps
>>>>>>>> Tab]
>>>>>>>> when the Subject field is done?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll let you in on a little secret:  Gmail supports IMAP, you can
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> just about any mail client you want.  There is nothing forcing
>>>>>>> you to
>>>>>>> use the web interface.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I've read that often; and pop too.
>>>>>> IIRC I tried mutt with IMAP once and rejected it, because it assumed
>>>>>> an always on-line connection. I need to send and fetch in a one-shot
>>>>>> 60 seconds connection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now I tried thunderbird [another cartoon-based system].
>>>>>> Google shows plenty of discussions about the error-that-it-gives me
>>>>>> too.
>>>>>> It's as if thunderbird must use a different password to web-based,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> would be absurd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What really pisses me off, is these continual <Life is better with
>>>>>> Coke>
>>>>>> like messages of <you should "update" your browser>.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Use POP if you want to permanently remove mails from the server
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.hesk.com/knowledgebase/?article=72
>>>>>
>>>>> gives the target, port and protocols
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to enable POP forwarding on gmail tho
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thudderbored is OK at all this.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       I have used POP3 on 2 different systems which refuse
>>>> to clean out the downloaded e-mails on their own.  I make
>>>> it a part of my routine to access the mail servers web interface and
>>>> delete those mails.  I leave the spam in a spam directory for
>>>> the server to hopefully learn from.  For the spam that makes
>>>> to my machine I have lengthy filters which directly move filtered
>>>> stuff to my Trash on Thunderbird.
>>>>       You can still turn off the cartoons on the latest version
>>>> of Thunderbird and I prefer text menus and text-labeled buttons.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What cartoons? I have used th-udderbird for years and nevere noticed
>>> any?
>>>
>>>>       bliss
>>
>>     The icons on buttons which can have text with them which
>> icons are personally confusing to me.  Someone else called them
>> cartoons originally and I thought it apt because they sure are
>> not fine art,
>>
>>     bliss
>>
>   You don't have to use the icons. You can have text only.
> Right click Menu Bar>Customize>Show: whatever you choose.
>

	Yes as I noted above.

	bliss

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#17106

On 2016-03-26 13:53, Unknown wrote:

> Yes, I've read that often; and pop too.
> IIRC I tried mutt with IMAP once and rejected it, because it assumed
> an always on-line connection. I need to send and fetch in a one-shot
> 60 seconds connection.

Then use fetchmail or similar.

> Now I tried thunderbird [another cartoon-based system].
> Google shows plenty of discussions about the error-that-it-gives me too.
> It's as if thunderbird must use a different password to web-based, which
> would be absurd.

Thunderbird works fine with gmail (same password), either for imap or
for pop. You need javascript enabled the first time, or to tell gmail
that you are going to use a standard client (it will warn you that it is
less secure).

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#17107

On 26/03/16 14:18, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2016-03-26 13:53, Unknown wrote:
>
>> Yes, I've read that often; and pop too.
>> IIRC I tried mutt with IMAP once and rejected it, because it assumed
>> an always on-line connection. I need to send and fetch in a one-shot
>> 60 seconds connection.
>
> Then use fetchmail or similar.

Indeed.

If that's what you have, the stock way is to run some kind of MTA on a 
linux machine and have a script that handles connection, flushes the 
send queues (sendmail -q, or equivalent)  to the 'smart host' and 
fetches the POP mail from somewhere (fetchmail).

Since UUCP is out of fashion these days ;-)

Then your won machine locally is the 'mail server' and can have any 
client pointed at it on the same machine.




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its status.

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#17109

On 2016-03-26 16:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 26/03/16 14:18, Carlos E.R. wrote:

>> Then use fetchmail or similar.
> 
> Indeed.
> 
> If that's what you have, the stock way is to run some kind of MTA on a
> linux machine and have a script that handles connection, flushes the
> send queues (sendmail -q, or equivalent)  to the 'smart host' and
> fetches the POP mail from somewhere (fetchmail).

fetchmail works better with imap than with pop. Less danger of duplicates.

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#17110

On 26/03/16 20:25, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2016-03-26 16:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 26/03/16 14:18, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>>> Then use fetchmail or similar.
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>> If that's what you have, the stock way is to run some kind of MTA on a
>> linux machine and have a script that handles connection, flushes the
>> send queues (sendmail -q, or equivalent)  to the 'smart host' and
>> fetches the POP mail from somewhere (fetchmail).
>
> fetchmail works better with imap than with pop. Less danger of duplicates.
>
BUT the data still stays on the IMAP server.


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#17113

On 2016-03-27 13:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 26/03/16 20:25, Carlos E.R. wrote:


>> fetchmail works better with imap than with pop. Less danger of
>> duplicates.
>>
> BUT the data still stays on the IMAP server.

No.

Only if that server is GMAIL, because it is their stated goal to archive
all your mail. The space they give you is huge, so there is no need to
delete anything, they say.

However, this is configurable. I don't do that, but I believe there is
an option in the web configuration. Others that do may explain the details.

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