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Why don't the engineers just shoot the ballet-dancers?

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  Why don't the engineers just shoot the ballet-dancers? not.socialnetwork@gmail.com - 2015-01-04 22:01 +0000
    Re: Why don't the engineers just shoot the ballet-dancers? "John K.  Herreshoff" <Nope@not.here> - 2015-01-04 17:15 -0500
      Re: Why don't the engineers just shoot the ballet-dancers? Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-01-04 20:46 -0800
    Re: Why don't the engineers just shoot the ballet-dancers? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-04 17:54 -0500
      Re: Why don't the engineers just shoot the ballet-dancers? Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2015-01-07 12:09 +0000
        Re: Why don't the engineers just shoot the ballet-dancers? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-07 09:08 -0500
      Re: Why don't the engineers just shoot the ballet-dancers? Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-07 12:21 +0000
        Re: Why don't the engineers just shoot the ballet-dancers? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-07 09:19 -0500
          Re: Why don't the engineers just shoot the ballet-dancers? Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2015-01-09 09:49 +0000
        Re: Why don't the engineers just shoot the ballet-dancers? "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohnson@cfaj.ca> - 2015-01-08 04:33 -0500
          Re: Why don't the engineers just shoot the ballet-dancers? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2015-01-08 09:07 -0500
            Re: Why don't the engineers just shoot the ballet-dancers? Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2015-01-09 07:35 +0000
              Re: Why don't the engineers just shoot the ballet-dancers? Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2015-01-09 20:49 +0000
              Re: Why don't the engineers just shoot the ballet-dancers? "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohnson@cfaj.ca> - 2015-01-15 23:51 -0500
    Re: Why don't the engineers just shoot the ballet-dancers? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-01-04 23:05 -0500
    Re: Why don't the engineers just shoot the ballet-dancers? Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2015-01-05 15:31 -0500
      Re: Why don't the engineers just shoot the ballet-dancers? Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2015-01-09 04:39 +0000

#13231 — Why don't the engineers just shoot the ballet-dancers?

For how many more years are we going to tolerate the burden
of accomodating the whims of the ART students?

The need to read masses of `man *` which are contaminated by the
NOISE of eg:
"..The default quali-
fier  is  trace....
....for-
got that one.
...means liter-
ally  -e  trace=open...
.....involve process manage-
ment. ..........."
   is absurd.

It's like having the illiterate cleaning lady mess-up your
delicately laid-out circuitry, while you're sleeping.

If the ART students want to practice straight-line margins,
let them do so for the women's fashion magazine, or do
brick-laying.

The unwarrented instusion of pdf is a similar curse.



 
 

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#13234

not.socialnetwork@gmail.com wrote:

> For how many more years are we going to tolerate the burden
> of accomodating the whims of the ART students?
> 
> The need to read masses of `man *` which are contaminated by the
> NOISE of eg:
> "..The default quali-
> fier  is  trace....
> ....for-
> got that one.
> ...means liter-
> ally  -e  trace=open...
> .....involve process manage-
> ment. ..........."
>    is absurd.
> 
> It's like having the illiterate cleaning lady mess-up your
> delicately laid-out circuitry, while you're sleeping.
> 
> If the ART students want to practice straight-line margins,
> let them do so for the women's fashion magazine, or do
> brick-laying.
> 
> The unwarrented instusion of pdf is a similar curse.

???

Happy New Year.

John.

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#13253

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.os.linux.slackware.]
On 2015-01-04, John K.  Herreshoff <Nope@not.here> wrote:
> not.socialnetwork@gmail.com wrote:

[trolling snipped]

> ???

Please Do Not Feed The Trolls

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#13235

not.socialnetwork@gmail.com writes:

> For how many more years are we going to tolerate the burden
> of accomodating the whims of the ART students?
>
> The need to read masses of `man *` which are contaminated by the
> NOISE of eg:
> "..The default quali-
> fier  is  trace....

Rant makes no sense.

You can use any formatter you like for man pages,
including troff which is capable of rendering tables
with real borders, proportional justified fonts,
multiple font sizes, bold, italic,
and line drawings.

I use Emacs (M-x man), and get nicely formatted,
easily searchable pages.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#13333

On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 17:54:15 -0500, Dan Espen wrote:

> not.socialnetwork@gmail.com writes:
> 
>> For how many more years are we going to tolerate the burden of
>> accomodating the whims of the ART students?
>>
>> The need to read masses of `man *` which are contaminated by the NOISE
>> of eg:
>> "..The default quali-
>> fier  is  trace....
> 
> Rant makes no sense.
> 
> You can use any formatter you like for man pages, including troff which
> is capable of rendering tables with real borders, proportional justified
> fonts, multiple font sizes, bold, italic,
> and line drawings.
> 
> I use Emacs (M-x man), and get nicely formatted, easily searchable
> pages.

No!
The lowest-common-denominator: ie. man <ID>;
 should give plain-text WITHOUT broken-words to "get nicely formatted"
 for the <ladies fashion magazine> type.

Emacs is an EXTRA-layer.
And the ballet dancers who want extra-extra can have music and lavender
scent too. 

If you're navigating in difficult conditions, and quickly need info,
being forced to access Emacs, is like needing a governmenbt application
to scratch your ear. 

First of all get the minimal/basics right!

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#13336

Unknown <dog@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 17:54:15 -0500, Dan Espen wrote:
>
>> not.socialnetwork@gmail.com writes:
>> 
>>> For how many more years are we going to tolerate the burden of
>>> accomodating the whims of the ART students?
>>>
>>> The need to read masses of `man *` which are contaminated by the NOISE
>>> of eg:
>>> "..The default quali-
>>> fier  is  trace....
>> 
>> Rant makes no sense.
>> 
>> You can use any formatter you like for man pages, including troff which
>> is capable of rendering tables with real borders, proportional justified
>> fonts, multiple font sizes, bold, italic,
>> and line drawings.
>> 
>> I use Emacs (M-x man), and get nicely formatted, easily searchable
>> pages.
>
> No!
> The lowest-common-denominator: ie. man <ID>;
>  should give plain-text WITHOUT broken-words to "get nicely formatted"
>  for the <ladies fashion magazine> type.
>
> Emacs is an EXTRA-layer.
> And the ballet dancers who want extra-extra can have music and lavender
> scent too. 
>
> If you're navigating in difficult conditions, and quickly need info,
> being forced to access Emacs, is like needing a governmenbt application
> to scratch your ear. 
>
> First of all get the minimal/basics right!

Oh, really, hyphenation is the complaint?
I thought the complaint had something to do with art students.
Not much one can do about hyphenation.
There's a command line switch to reduce it.

I guess I never noticed because incremental search
does okay, even with hyphens.

As far as "being forced to access Emacs",
again, rant makes no sense.  At least for me.
I'm already in Emacs when I first notice I need a man page.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#13334

Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes:
> not.socialnetwork@gmail.com writes:
>> For how many more years are we going to tolerate the burden
>> of accomodating the whims of the ART students?
>>
>> The need to read masses of `man *` which are contaminated by the
>> NOISE of eg:
>> "..The default quali-
>> fier  is  trace....
>
> Rant makes no sense.
>
> You can use any formatter you like for man pages,
> including troff which is capable of rendering tables
> with real borders, proportional justified fonts,
> multiple font sizes, bold, italic,
> and line drawings.
>
> I use Emacs (M-x man), and get nicely formatted,
> easily searchable pages.

M-x man just uses the troff output, so has the same justification and
hyphenation issues that the OP was complaining about.  He’s not unique:
some man pages turn it off, for instance those generated by Pod::Man:

  .\" For nroff, turn off justification.  Always turn off hyphenation; it makes
  .\" way too many mistakes in technical documents.
  .if n .ad l
  .nh

You could probably make this global by modifying /etc/groff/man.local.

Above is based on Debian wheezy.

-- 
http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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#13337

Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> writes:

> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes:
>> not.socialnetwork@gmail.com writes:
>>> For how many more years are we going to tolerate the burden
>>> of accomodating the whims of the ART students?
>>>
>>> The need to read masses of `man *` which are contaminated by the
>>> NOISE of eg:
>>> "..The default quali-
>>> fier  is  trace....
>>
>> Rant makes no sense.
>>
>> You can use any formatter you like for man pages,
>> including troff which is capable of rendering tables
>> with real borders, proportional justified fonts,
>> multiple font sizes, bold, italic,
>> and line drawings.
>>
>> I use Emacs (M-x man), and get nicely formatted,
>> easily searchable pages.
>
> M-x man just uses the troff output, so has the same justification and

I think you mean nroff output.
Emacs sets $TERM to "dumb".

> hyphenation issues that the OP was complaining about.  He’s not unique:
> some man pages turn it off, for instance those generated by Pod::Man:
>
>   .\" For nroff, turn off justification.  Always turn off hyphenation; it makes
>   .\" way too many mistakes in technical documents.
>   .if n .ad l
>   .nh
>
> You could probably make this global by modifying /etc/groff/man.local.
>
> Above is based on Debian wheezy.

Never heard the complaint before.
I suppose the  package owner might listen, the current
options available are:

-rHY=flags Set  hyphenation flags.  Possible  values are 1  to hyphenate
              without restrictions, 2 to not  hyphenate the last word on
              a page,  4 to not hyphenate  the last two characters  of a
              word, and 8 to not hyphenate the first two characters of a
              word.  These values are additive; the default is 14.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#13380

On Wed, 07 Jan 2015 09:19:24 -0500, Dan Espen wrote:

> Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> writes:
> 
>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes:
>>> not.socialnetwork@gmail.com writes:
>>>> For how many more years are we going to tolerate the burden of
>>>> accomodating the whims of the ART students?
>>>>
>>>> The need to read masses of `man *` which are contaminated by the
>>>> NOISE of eg:
>>>> "..The default quali-
>>>> fier  is  trace....
>>>
>>> Rant makes no sense.
>>>
>>> You can use any formatter you like for man pages, including troff
>>> which is capable of rendering tables with real borders, proportional
>>> justified fonts, multiple font sizes, bold, italic,
>>> and line drawings.
>>>
>>> I use Emacs (M-x man), and get nicely formatted, easily searchable
>>> pages.
>>
>> M-x man just uses the troff output, so has the same justification and
> 
> I think you mean nroff output.
> Emacs sets $TERM to "dumb".
> 
>> hyphenation issues that the OP was complaining about.  He’s not unique:
>> some man pages turn it off, for instance those generated by Pod::Man:
>>
>>   .\" For nroff, turn off justification.  Always turn off hyphenation;
>>   it makes .\" way too many mistakes in technical documents. .if n .ad
>>   l
>>   .nh
>>
>> You could probably make this global by modifying /etc/groff/man.local.
>>
>> Above is based on Debian wheezy.
> 
> Never heard the complaint before.
> I suppose the  package owner might listen, the current options available
> are:
> 
> -rHY=flags Set  hyphenation flags.  Possible  values are 1  to hyphenate
>               without restrictions, 2 to not  hyphenate the last word on
>               a page,  4 to not hyphenate  the last two characters  of a
>               word, and 8 to not hyphenate the first two characters of a
>               word.  These values are additive; the default is 14.

No! The default should be PLAIN.
For the arty-types who want music, lavender-scent and bouncing-monkeys
add extra switches. And to avoid such problems in future, best just
shoot the ballet-dancers.

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#13342

On 2015-01-07, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
...
>   .\" For nroff, turn off justification.  Always turn off hyphenation; it makes
>   .\" way too many mistakes in technical documents.
>   .if n .ad l
>   .nh
>
> You could probably make this global by modifying /etc/groff/man.local.

   I add this to /etc/groff/man.local; it turns off hyphenation and
   justification:

.hy 0
.if n .ad l
.na
.nh

-- 
Chris F.A. Johnson

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#13347

"Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohnson@cfaj.ca> writes:

> On 2015-01-07, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> ...
>>   .\" For nroff, turn off justification.  Always turn off hyphenation; it makes
>>   .\" way too many mistakes in technical documents.
>>   .if n .ad l
>>   .nh
>>
>> You could probably make this global by modifying /etc/groff/man.local.
>
>    I add this to /etc/groff/man.local; it turns off hyphenation and
>    justification:
>
> .hy 0
> .if n .ad l
> .na
> .nh

Nice. On Debian-descended Linux systems (which is mostly what I've been using
over the years), I alias man to man --nj --nh  I'll keep your method in
my notes for when I'm using other flavors of Linux.

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#13378

On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:07:53 -0500, Bud Frede wrote:

> "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohnson@cfaj.ca> writes:
> 
>> On 2015-01-07, Richard Kettlewell wrote: ...
>>>   .\" For nroff, turn off justification.  Always turn off hyphenation;
>>>   it makes .\" way too many mistakes in technical documents. .if n .ad
>>>   l
>>>   .nh
>>>
>>> You could probably make this global by modifying /etc/groff/man.local.
>>
>>    I add this to /etc/groff/man.local; it turns off hyphenation and
>>    justification:
>>
>> .hy 0
>> .if n .ad l
>> .na
>> .nh
> 
> Nice. On Debian-descended Linux systems (which is mostly what I've been
> using over the years), I alias man to man --nj --nh  I'll keep your
> method in my notes for when I'm using other flavors of Linux.
========
~:ls /etc/groff*
/bin/ls: cannot access /etc/groff*: No such file or directory

~:man --nj --nh groff
man: unrecognized option '--nj'

!! Screw U !! Shoot all the ballet dancers !!

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#13387

In alt.os.linux.slackware Unknown <dog@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:07:53 -0500, Bud Frede wrote:
> 
>> "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohnson@cfaj.ca> writes:
>> 
>>> On 2015-01-07, Richard Kettlewell wrote: ...
>>>>   .\" For nroff, turn off justification.  Always turn off hyphenation;
>>>>   it makes .\" way too many mistakes in technical documents. .if n .ad
>>>>   l
>>>>   .nh
>>>>
>>>> You could probably make this global by modifying /etc/groff/man.local.
>>>
>>>    I add this to /etc/groff/man.local; it turns off hyphenation and
>>>    justification:
>>>
>>> .hy 0
>>> .if n .ad l
>>> .na
>>> .nh
>> 
>> Nice. On Debian-descended Linux systems (which is mostly what I've been
>> using over the years), I alias man to man --nj --nh  I'll keep your
>> method in my notes for when I'm using other flavors of Linux.
> ========
> ~:ls /etc/groff*
> /bin/ls: cannot access /etc/groff*: No such file or directory
> 
> ~:man --nj --nh groff
> man: unrecognized option '--nj'
> 
> !! Screw U !! Shoot all the ballet dancers !!

Try /usr/share/groff/<version>. 

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#13452

On 2015-01-09, Unknown wrote:
...
> ~:ls /etc/groff*
> /bin/ls: cannot access /etc/groff*: No such file or directory

locate man.local

-- 
Chris F.A. Johnson

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#13251

On Sun, 4 Jan 2015, not.socialnetwork@gmail.com wrote:

> For how many more years are we going to tolerate the burden
> of accomodating the whims of the ART students?
>
What's this about?

I've seen Missy Copeland on CBS three times in December, had never
heard of her before that.  She dances for the American Ballet Theatre 
company, and may be their lead ballerina at some point.

I have no idea why you'd want to shoot her, she looks really good,
and she didn't seem dumb either.

   Michael

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#13297

On 01/04/2015 05:01 PM, not.socialnetwork@gmail.com wrote:
> For how many more years are we going to tolerate the burden
> of accomodating the whims of the ART students?
> 

For how many years are we going to tolerate people from
notsocialnetwork.com cross-post to newsgroups concerned with the linux
operating system with early 20th century modern blank verse poetry?

Etc...


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#13374

On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 15:31:05 -0500, Jean-David Beyer wrote:

> On 01/04/2015 05:01 PM, not.socialnetwork@gmail.com wrote:
>> For how many more years are we going to tolerate the burden of
>> accomodating the whims of the ART students?
>> 
>> 
> For how many years are we going to tolerate people from
> notsocialnetwork.com cross-post to newsgroups concerned with the linux
> operating system with early 20th century modern blank verse poetry?
> 
> Etc...

I can't see HOW to Re-post this to the *3* related LINUX-groups like
my OP *INTENDED* [after due consideration].
1=the problem manifests in Slakware.
2=Debian seems a well regimented commumity.
3=linux.misc may find answers from NOT (Slak & Debian)

BTW red-hat used to be a big family; but 3 groups seemed to fill-the-line.

I suspect that you TOO didn't understand the problem.

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