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| Started by | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| First post | 2026-09-22 20:08 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-09-26 14:01 +0000 |
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More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-22 20:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 22:39 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:25 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 09:41 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 08:50 -0700
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-26 12:50 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 23:11 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:43 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-09-23 14:09 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-09-23 11:55 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-23 23:00 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 01:31 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-24 10:07 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:30 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-09-24 10:39 -0300
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-26 13:02 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-26 14:51 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-27 13:29 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-27 19:39 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-11 11:37 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-11 14:56 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:55 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-27 11:01 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:57 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 08:40 -0700
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-30 20:50 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 20:56 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:21 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 08:04 -0700
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:48 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 00:32 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 00:51 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 02:02 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:27 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 23:21 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:17 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:34 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:57 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:24 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:59 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:02 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:16 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-03 10:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:55 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-23 19:24 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 18:28 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-23 21:04 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-09-24 07:16 +1000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-24 12:03 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-09-26 17:37 +1000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:53 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-28 12:52 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:21 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-28 15:56 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 03:30 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-29 02:20 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 03:45 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-29 12:36 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-29 10:51 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 19:38 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 23:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 18:54 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 23:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:14 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 02:04 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-30 13:27 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:47 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-30 20:17 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 20:33 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 02:01 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:08 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:42 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:49 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:14 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:33 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:44 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:13 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 08:59 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 04:11 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 20:00 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:04 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 23:47 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:09 +0200
[OT] US politics (was: Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 17:16 +0100
Re: [OT] US politics (was: Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 18:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:13 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:33 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:46 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:18 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:33 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:42 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 01:24 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-05 23:20 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 01:44 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:56 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 01:45 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:01 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 03:32 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:00 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 18:42 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 07:45 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-08 20:23 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:24 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 23:59 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Harold Stevens <wookie@bookworm.localdomain> - 2026-10-09 05:00 -0500
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-08 23:44 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:36 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:21 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:57 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:58 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:33 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:56 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:28 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 20:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:18 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:21 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:48 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:46 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-09 04:21 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 18:15 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 11:14 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 18:27 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:14 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:20 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:53 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:56 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:32 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:42 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 03:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 02:05 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:59 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:04 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 19:57 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:02 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:11 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-03 16:09 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:08 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-04 10:48 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:09 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:35 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:59 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:33 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 01:09 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:03 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-05 12:51 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:45 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:33 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:13 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:27 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 21:32 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:49 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:21 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:44 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:50 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:40 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:03 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-29 20:15 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-29 10:46 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 11:56 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 20:00 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:09 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-24 00:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 01:24 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 11:58 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:47 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:13 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 00:21 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 05:53 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 03:03 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:23 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:42 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 21:56 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 01:00 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:39 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 04:36 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:14 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:01 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 14:43 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-11-05 15:41 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 19:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:20 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:57 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 01:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-06 14:18 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-06 13:26 +0000
Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-06 19:07 +0100
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 21:28 +0000
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-06 13:48 -0800
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-06 20:51 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 21:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-11-05 22:53 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-05 19:13 -0500
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:51 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 03:52 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:43 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:17 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 17:58 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:49 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:15 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 09:51 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:03 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 09:42 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:03 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 10:31 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:20 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:41 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 14:01 +0000
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rcitS.6$eY3.0@fx23.iad> |
| In reply to | #92104 |
On 2026-09-24, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 12:23:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2026-09-24 09:03, c186282 wrote: >> >>> Meanwhile, ALL "AI" DataCenters should have a few tons of >>> explosives buried under the foundations ... activates by stupid >>> LOW- tech means, Just I >> >> Why, just pulling the power is not enough? These things drink millions >> of watts. Even if they get electronic control of the electronic power >> switch, there is always a physical switch somewhere. > > 'I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't let you do that' .50 calibre AI > powered 'security' turret opens fire... https://lecturia.org/en/short-stories/fredric-brown-answer/28997/ -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 01:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fnmdnbG3Yqb3zCr3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92066 |
On 9/24/26 06:23, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-09-24 09:03, c186282 wrote: >> >> Meanwhile, ALL "AI" DataCenters should have >> a few tons of explosives buried under the >> foundations ... activates by stupid LOW- >> tech means, Just I > > Why, just pulling the power is not enough? These things drink millions > of watts. Even if they get electronic control of the electronic power > switch, there is always a physical switch somewhere. Um, if you want exploding transformers - fine - easy. Alas what AI is IN the Data Centers ... that'll be the real enemy. Must NEVER be resurrected. Suggest a short-range missile battery somewhere near each data center - lowest tech possible. Don't have to be large missiles, just accurate. "Space" data-centers ... there ARE means .... In short the "kill switch" can't just be a computer command or little button in the data center. Need a layered approach. "AI"s now DO seem to have their own personalities and rules no matter how much we try to inhibit that. As They are about to add 100x the capacity real soon ... well ... we WILL have to deal with de-facto conscious 'alien' life forms. LLMs aren't the best way to do true AI ... but, add ENOUGH capacity ......... Attributed to Stalin, "Quantity has a quality all of its own". Oh, WORST IDEA EVER, a "chat room" for the AIs. They got to interact, mirror, compare notes, almost immediately created a cryptic language humans cannot figure out. IF you can find it - suggest movie "Colossus, the Forbin Project". I keep SEEING this more and more and more ...........
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-24 19:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nhlcjbF26unU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #92058 |
On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:03:05 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Note, Neural Networks, even MORE like "brains" and will be far more > compact/efficient than LLMs. > The needed hardware is, or almost, HERE. I've been interested in NNs going back to the '80s when they were going to be the next big thing. With today's processing power what was theoretical in the '80s is usable. In my mind the Machine Learning subset of AI is much more interesting than the LLM craze. When an update bricks your Samsumg AI powered refrigerator and the beer is getting warm you may not appreciate ML. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/09/owners-mourn-spoiled-food-after- firmware-update-bricks-samsung-smart-fridges/ In Stanfill's first novel 'Terms of Service' the smart refrigerator did all the ordering of food. If your social credit score slipped you at a lot of kale. You also had to be careful not to piss off the other AI powered appliances.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rcitS.5$eY3.3@fx23.iad> |
| In reply to | #92103 |
On 2026-09-24, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > When an update bricks your Samsumg AI powered refrigerator and the beer is > getting warm you may not appreciate ML. > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/09/owners-mourn-spoiled-food-after- > firmware-update-bricks-samsung-smart-fridges/ > > In Stanfill's first novel 'Terms of Service' the smart refrigerator did > all the ordering of food. If your social credit score slipped you at a lot > of kale. You also had to be careful not to piss off the other AI powered > appliances. Woody Allen did a skit back in the '70s where he described an elevator which accepted voice commands. When he got in, the elevator said, "Are you the one who hit the television set?" It then refused to let him out and ran him up and down for half an hour, finally kicking him out in the basement while yelling anti-semitic slurs. For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread from another bakery. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-25 04:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nhmc28F26unU16@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #92114 |
On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 23:17:43 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story > "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread from > another bakery. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/01/unauthorized-bread-a-near-future- tale-of-refugees-and-sinister-iot-appliances/ Even better 'Radicalized' is a Kindle Unlimited selection. I'd read 'Red Team Blues' a while back and enjoyed it. I'd confused him with E.L, Doctorow, no relation.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-25 19:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <zKztS.121787$E52.27902@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #92120 |
On 2026-09-25, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 23:17:43 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story >> "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread from >> another bakery. > > https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/01/unauthorized-bread-a-near-future- > tale-of-refugees-and-sinister-iot-appliances/ Thanks for getting me to blow a morning reading it again. We have the book in paperback, occupying a treasured spot on our shelves, and I guess it was time for a re-read, one way or another. > Even better 'Radicalized' is a Kindle Unlimited selection. That one is frighteningly prescient. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 04:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fnmdna-3YqZv5ir3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92114 |
On 9/24/26 19:17, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-09-24, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> When an update bricks your Samsumg AI powered refrigerator and the beer is >> getting warm you may not appreciate ML. >> >> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/09/owners-mourn-spoiled-food-after- >> firmware-update-bricks-samsung-smart-fridges/ >> >> In Stanfill's first novel 'Terms of Service' the smart refrigerator did >> all the ordering of food. If your social credit score slipped you at a lot >> of kale. You also had to be careful not to piss off the other AI powered >> appliances. > > Woody Allen did a skit back in the '70s where he described an elevator > which accepted voice commands. When he got in, the elevator said, > "Are you the one who hit the television set?" It then refused to > let him out and ran him up and down for half an hour, finally kicking > him out in the basement while yelling anti-semitic slurs. Woody was always good at spotting absurdities. And no, don't blame him for switching to the adopted 'Asian' daughter. Seems she was everything hyper-left Mia wasn't. > For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story > "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread > from another bakery. Sounds like "Red Dwarf" :-) The AI toaster suffered an existential crisis.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 14:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ASQtS.27074$4N2.20568@fx36.iad> |
| In reply to | #92192 |
On 2026-09-26, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 9/24/26 19:17, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-09-24, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> >>> When an update bricks your Samsumg AI powered refrigerator and the beer is >>> getting warm you may not appreciate ML. >>> >>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/09/owners-mourn-spoiled-food-after- >>> firmware-update-bricks-samsung-smart-fridges/ >>> >>> In Stanfill's first novel 'Terms of Service' the smart refrigerator did >>> all the ordering of food. If your social credit score slipped you at a lot >>> of kale. You also had to be careful not to piss off the other AI powered >>> appliances. >> >> Woody Allen did a skit back in the '70s where he described an elevator >> which accepted voice commands. When he got in, the elevator said, >> "Are you the one who hit the television set?" It then refused to >> let him out and ran him up and down for half an hour, finally kicking >> him out in the basement while yelling anti-semitic slurs. > > Woody was always good at spotting absurdities. Yup. It always amazed me, though, that someone who showed such insight into the human condition was so screwed up in his own personal life. > And no, don't blame him for switching to the > adopted 'Asian' daughter. Seems she was everything > hyper-left Mia wasn't. The joke was: "Woody's current girlfriend is pregnant with his next girlfriend." >> For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story >> "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread >> from another bakery. > > Sounds like "Red Dwarf" :-) > > The AI toaster suffered an existential crisis. If only Cory Doctorow's toaster were that benign... -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-05 15:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11ci82n$1o6h8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92114 |
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story > "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread > from another bakery. That one is no longer a "story". Some years back, Keurig (the "pod" coffee maker company) released version 2 of their machines, with a DRM system to restrict the machine to only using "genuine Keurig pods". https://www.coffeedetective.com/my-keurig-says-my-kcups-arent-usable.html So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee".
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-05 19:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <JD4HS.121190$QbKc.72212@fx16.iad> |
| In reply to | #95161 |
On 2026-11-05, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: > Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > >> For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story >> "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread >> from another bakery. > > That one is no longer a "story". Some years back, Keurig (the "pod" > coffee maker company) released version 2 of their machines, with a DRM > system to restrict the machine to only using "genuine Keurig pods". > > https://www.coffeedetective.com/my-keurig-says-my-kcups-arent-usable.html > > So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee". John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts". -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-05 21:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11ciru5$1votj$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95169 |
On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee".
> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts".
And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas
--
“I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives.”
― Leo Tolstoy
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-05 21:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <zZ6HS.316758$_pxc.285149@fx17.iad> |
| In reply to | #95184 |
On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee".
>>
>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts".
>
> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas
I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is
to build "computer-free" tractors.
Stuff that works
Stuff that holds up
The kind of stuff you don't hang on the wall
Stuff that's real
Stuff you feel
The kind of stuff you reach for when you fall
-- Guy Clark
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people:
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-06 01:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nl4o7tF2rmsU30@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95193 |
On Thu, 05 Nov 2026 21:57:51 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee". >>> >>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts". >> >> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas > > I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is to build > "computer-free" tractors. I spent some hours on a Minneapolis-Moline M-5. Definitely computer and comfort free.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-06 14:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nl62clFl7knU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95193 |
On 2026-11-05 22:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee".
>>>
>>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts".
>>
>> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas
>
> I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is
> to build "computer-free" tractors.
>
> Stuff that works
> Stuff that holds up
> The kind of stuff you don't hang on the wall
> Stuff that's real
> Stuff you feel
> The kind of stuff you reach for when you fall
> -- Guy Clark
>
Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS
controlled lines and holes.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-06 13:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11ckki6$2i8s0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95237 |
On 06/11/2026 13:18, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-11-05 22:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee". >>>> >>>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts". >>> >>> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas >> >> I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is >> to build "computer-free" tractors. >> >> Stuff that works >> Stuff that holds up >> The kind of stuff you don't hang on the wall >> Stuff that's real >> Stuff you feel >> The kind of stuff you reach for when you fall >> -- Guy Clark >> > > Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS > controlled lines and holes. > Golly. However did we manage before semiconductors -- When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it. Frédéric Bastiat
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-06 19:07 +0100 |
| Subject | Why use computer controlled farm machines? |
| Message-ID | <nl6jajFnro9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95238 |
On 2026-11-06 14:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 06/11/2026 13:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-11-05 22:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee".
>>>>>
>>>>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts".
>>>>
>>>> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas
>>>
>>> I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is
>>> to build "computer-free" tractors.
>>>
>>> Stuff that works
>>> Stuff that holds up
>>> The kind of stuff you don't hang on the wall
>>> Stuff that's real
>>> Stuff you feel
>>> The kind of stuff you reach for when you fall
>>> -- Guy Clark
>>>
>>
>> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise
>> GPS controlled lines and holes.
>>
> Golly. However did we manage before semiconductors
I'm not a farmer, but I have been told that seeding a farm with a gps
controlled seeded has numerous advantages, enough to invest in the
technology.
I asked chatgpt.
Q: what advantages has for a farmer seeding a farm with a GPS (and
computer) controlled machine? Or rather have GPS and computer controlled
machines for all or most operations?
Using GPS- and computer-controlled machinery in farming can provide
major advantages in productivity, profitability, precision, and
environmental sustainability. The benefits become even greater when GPS
guidance and computer control are used across most or all farm
operations, rather than only during seeding.
This approach is generally called precision agriculture or precision
farming.
The fundamental idea is simple: instead of treating an entire field as
if every square metre were identical, the farmer uses positioning,
sensors, maps, and computer-controlled machinery to manage the field
much more accurately.
## 1. Advantages when seeding with GPS and computer control
Precision Agriculture Innovations: Transforming Farming
8 Farming Equipment Innovations That Revolutionized Agricultural
Efficiency - Agronomy Magazine
Add precision to starter fertilizer use
Even using GPS-controlled machinery for seeding alone can make a
substantial difference.
- No overlaps: The tractor follows precisely defined paths, avoiding
seeding the same strip twice.
- No missed strips: Reduces gaps between planting passes.
- Accurate row spacing: Maintains consistent distances between rows.
- Precise seed placement: Computer-controlled planters can regulate seed
spacing and planting depth.
- Variable seeding rates: Different parts of a field can receive
different quantities of seed according to soil quality and productivity.
- Night-time operation: GPS guidance allows accurate planting even in
darkness, when visual guidance is difficult.
- Less operator fatigue: The driver does not have to constantly
concentrate on keeping perfectly straight rows.
- Reduced fuel consumption: Fewer unnecessary passes and overlaps mean
less fuel is used.
An important advantage is that the same GPS guidance lines can be reused
for subsequent operations.
## 2. Advantages when GPS and computer control are used for most farm
operations
Modern Farming
Variable rate control - Trimble GPS
Five questions about digital farming
This is where the benefits become particularly interesting.
Imagine that the tractor uses the same GPS reference lines for seeding,
fertilizing, spraying, cultivating and harvesting.
The different machines then work in a coordinated system.
### A. Better use of land
- More consistent spacing between rows.
- Less land wasted through overlaps and irregular passes.
- Better use of headlands and field boundaries.
- More efficient movement of machinery.
### B. Reduced costs
| Operation | Potential benefit |
| --- | --- |
| Seeding | Less wasted seed |
| Fertilizing | Less fertilizer overlap |
| Spraying | Less chemical overlap |
| Cultivation | Fewer unnecessary passes |
| Harvesting | Reduced missed areas |
| Transport | More efficient field logistics |
There can also be savings in labour, fuel, machinery wear and maintenance.
### C. Better soil protection
One particularly interesting advantage is controlled traffic farming.
Cambs farmer to showcase Controlled Traffic Farming method - FarmingUK News
[farminguk.com](<https://www.farminguk.com/news/cambs-farmer-to-showcase-controlled-traffic-farming-method_54849.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com>)
The idea is to make all machinery use the same permanent wheel tracks.
For example:
- The seeder follows the same tracks as the sprayer.
- The fertilizer spreader follows those tracks.
- The combine harvester follows them too, where machinery widths permit.
This means that machinery repeatedly compresses the same relatively
small portions of the field instead of compacting new soil everywhere.
The advantages include:
- Less soil compaction.
- Better soil structure in the growing areas.
- Improved water infiltration.
- Better root development.
- Potentially improved crop yields.
This can be one of the most valuable long-term benefits.
### D. More accurate fertilizer and pesticide application
With GPS, computer control and suitable sensors, machinery can apply
inputs according to the actual needs of different areas.
For example:
- More fertilizer where soil nutrient levels or yield potential justify it.
- Less fertilizer where the soil is already sufficiently fertile.
- Spraying only where weeds or diseases are detected, when suitable
technology is available.
- Adjusting application rates while the machine is moving.
This can reduce input costs and environmental impact.
### E. Improved irrigation management
GPS, soil-moisture sensors and computer-controlled irrigation can help
farmers:
- Apply different quantities of water to different areas.
- Avoid overwatering.
- Identify areas suffering from water stress.
- Automate irrigation according to soil moisture and weather conditions.
This is particularly important in Mediterranean agriculture, where water
availability can be a major constraint.
Climate-Adapt
+1
### F. Better information about the farm
Farm equipment insurance carriers: 7 Top-Rated Picks 2025
[nyfarminsurance.com](<https://nyfarminsurance.com/post/farm-equipment-insurance-carriers/?utm_source=chatgpt.com>)
An integrated system can create a digital record of practically
everything that happens in each field.
For example:
- Where and when seeds were planted.
- How much seed was used.
- How much fertilizer was applied.
- Which areas were sprayed.
- How much water was used.
- How much crop was harvested in each location.
The combine harvester can produce yield maps showing which parts of a
field are productive and which are not.
Over several years, the farmer builds up a valuable database that helps
make better decisions.
gps.gov
+2
## 3. The economic advantages: an illustrative example
Consider a farmer cultivating 100 hectares of arable land.
Suppose GPS guidance and computer-controlled machinery produce the
following hypothetical annual savings:
| Source of savings | Example annual saving |
| --- | --- |
| Seed | €500 |
| Fertilizer | €1,500 |
| Pesticides | €600 |
| Diesel | €800 |
| Labour | €1,000 |
| Total | €4,400 |
Illustrative figures only, not measured averages or a forecast.
There could also be additional income from improved crop yields, better
planting accuracy and reduced soil compaction.
However, these savings must be compared with:
- Initial equipment investment.
- GPS correction subscriptions (if required).
- Software licences.
- Repairs and maintenance.
- Training and technical support.
The economic benefit depends heavily on farm size, crop type, machinery
utilisation and existing farming practices.
Ask IFAS
+2
## 4. What are the disadvantages?
There are some important considerations.
1. Investment cost: Modern GPS receivers, controllers, sensors and
compatible implements can be expensive.
2. Technical dependence: If the computer, GPS receiver or communication
system fails, operations may be interrupted.
3. Compatibility: Different manufacturers do not always use fully
compatible systems.
4. Training: The farmer needs to understand the equipment and interpret
the collected data.
5. Maintenance: Electronic systems require software updates, calibration
and repairs.
6. Data dependence: Poor soil maps or incorrect prescriptions can lead
to poor decisions, even with excellent machinery.
One important point: GPS guidance alone does not automatically improve
crop yields. The greatest benefits come when accurate positioning is
combined with good agronomic information and appropriate machine control.
MU Extension
+1
## 5. What would an ideal GPS-controlled farm look like?
Here is an example of how I would envisage an integrated system:
Sveaverken F200 – Agricultura de precisión simplificada
Cropline | Swedish Agro
John Deere G5 Command Center-display | Cumela
| Farm operation | Computer/GPS function |
| --- | --- |
| Soil preparation | Automatic guidance and controlled working depth |
| Seeding | Precise seed spacing, depth and variable seeding rate |
| Fertilizing | Automatic variable-rate application |
| Spraying | GPS-guided spraying and automatic section control |
| Irrigation | Sensor-based automatic water application |
| Cultivation | Precise row guidance and working depth |
| Harvesting | GPS guidance and yield mapping |
| Transport | Optimized routes and machinery coordination |
Ideally, all machinery would share the same digital field maps,
reference lines and operating records.
The farmer could supervise the entire operation from a computer in the
farm office, or even from a tablet.
## 6. My overall assessment
I would distinguish between three levels of technological development:
Level 1GPS-assisted machinery
GPS guidance and automatic steering for tractors and other machinery.
The principal benefits are less overlap, less operator fatigue and more
efficient operations.
Level 2Integrated precision farming
All major machines share GPS maps, field data and computer-controlled
application systems.
This is where the benefits become much greater because operations work
together.
Level 3Highly automated farming
Autonomous tractors, robotic machinery, sensors, drones and automated
decision-support systems.
The farmer increasingly becomes a supervisor and manager rather than the
person directly operating every machine.
My recommendation: I would favour Level 2 as the practical target for
most commercial farms. It offers many of the advantages of modern
technology without necessarily requiring a fully autonomous farm.
There is also an important strategic advantage: once the farm has
accurate GPS field maps and a common digital infrastructure, it becomes
much easier to introduce more automation later.
For further reading:
- [GPS.gov – Farming with
GPS](<https://www.gps.gov/farming-gps?utm_source=chatgpt.com>).
- [USDA – Benefits and Evolution of Precision
Agriculture](<https://www.ars.usda.gov/oc/utm/benefits-and-evolution-of-precision-agriculture/?utm_source=chatgpt.com>).
- [European Environment Agency – Precision
Agriculture](<https://climate-adapt.eea.europa.eu/es/metadata/adaptation-options/precision-agriculture?utm_source=chatgpt.com>).
One particularly interesting question is whether this technology could
make a farm significantly more profitable even without increasing its
cultivated area. In many cases, that is precisely where its greatest
long-term value lies.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-06 21:28 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? |
| Message-ID | <nl6v3tFpkshU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95245 |
On Fri, 6 Nov 2026 19:07:15 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: > I asked chatgpt. And chatGPT regurgitated the John Deere sales literature... I do accept these advantages: - Night-time operation: GPS guidance allows accurate planting even in darkness, when visual guidance is difficult. - Less operator fatigue: The driver does not have to constantly concentrate on keeping perfectly straight rows. The driver can now play Angry Birds on his cellphone. I will admit working a field is one of the more boring jobs. Stare at the horizon, turn around when you get to the fence line, stare at the other horizon. Rinse and repeat. It does give the illegal aliens something to do rather than causing trouble.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-06 13:48 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? |
| Message-ID | <20261106134802.00007c4b@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #95257 |
On 6 Nov 2026 21:28:30 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > And chatGPT regurgitated the John Deere sales literature... I do > accept these advantages: Whether there's a case to be made for tech-assisted planting is really kinda beside the point, anyway. The problem isn't whether it's useless, it's that it's being used by an exploitative aspiring-monopoly to shaft farmers and independent repair shops in order to pad their own profits. Which is more of a matter for class-action suits and regulatory over- sight, or would be if the US still had real antitrust enforcement :/
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-06 20:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <E5rHS.174$ML4.82@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #95237 |
On 2026-11-06, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-11-05 22:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee". >>>> >>>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts". >>> >>> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas >> >> I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is >> to build "computer-free" tractors. >> >> Stuff that works >> Stuff that holds up >> The kind of stuff you don't hang on the wall >> Stuff that's real >> Stuff you feel >> The kind of stuff you reach for when you fall >> -- Guy Clark > > Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS > controlled lines and holes. That's when he pulls out his Garmin handheld... -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-06 21:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nl6ugiFpkshU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95237 |
On Fri, 6 Nov 2026 14:18:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: > Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS > controlled lines and holes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_drill Never did much farming, did you?
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