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| Started by | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| First post | 2026-10-16 15:45 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-10-20 14:26 +0100 |
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The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-16 15:45 +0000
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-16 16:56 +0100
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-16 17:08 +0000
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-10-16 19:13 +0000
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-17 13:29 +0000
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-17 13:51 +0000
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-17 14:19 +0000
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 19:37 +0200
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 11:25 +0100
Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-18 11:57 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:20 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:25 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:31 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:23 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-18 13:35 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 18:45 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-18 21:41 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-19 00:57 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-19 09:26 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-19 14:17 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 02:11 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-19 02:38 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 03:52 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-19 03:56 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 05:58 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 02:41 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-19 03:03 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 02:49 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 11:49 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 02:29 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-20 01:59 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-20 13:20 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 14:29 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-20 18:10 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 10:19 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 19:22 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-20 18:05 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:15 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-19 00:44 -0400
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 11:54 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-19 20:27 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:38 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:26 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 18:59 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-19 20:36 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 09:08 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-20 10:35 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 14:21 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 18:55 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-10-18 19:05 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:41 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-10-19 00:15 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 02:02 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 02:18 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-20 01:52 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-20 10:37 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-10-20 11:39 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 14:22 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-20 21:11 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-20 17:45 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-20 18:28 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 01:05 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 11:48 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 02:42 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 02:20 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-10-20 08:39 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 07:53 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-20 10:38 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 14:23 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-20 21:13 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-20 23:18 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-21 03:09 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-21 03:22 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-21 11:19 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 13:44 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-21 13:54 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-21 15:33 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 15:19 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 19:44 +0000
Re: names of bats "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-22 12:04 +0200
Re: names of bats Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-22 11:15 +0100
Re: names of bats "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-22 12:20 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 10:24 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-21 03:16 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 02:31 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-21 03:22 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-21 11:21 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 14:00 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-21 19:56 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-20 19:04 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-20 22:02 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 10:22 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:29 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 02:12 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 10:22 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 13:57 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 15:18 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 19:51 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-21 19:58 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 19:58 +0000
Margarine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-22 12:19 +0200
Re: Margarine c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-22 07:16 -0400
Re: Margarine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-22 13:46 +0200
Re: Margarine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-22 15:54 +0100
Re: Margarine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-22 17:46 +0000
Re: Margarine Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-22 19:05 +0000
Re: Margarine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-23 00:19 +0000
Re: Margarine Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-23 04:18 +0000
Re: Margarine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-23 11:17 +0200
Re: Margarine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-23 10:33 +0100
Re: Margarine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-23 12:20 +0200
Re: Margarine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-23 11:49 +0100
Re: Margarine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-23 09:25 +0100
Re: Margarine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-23 11:15 +0200
Re: Margarine c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-23 07:04 -0400
Re: Margarine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-23 14:09 +0200
Re: Margarine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-23 13:53 +0100
Re: Margarine c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-23 09:18 -0400
Re: Margarine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-23 20:07 +0200
Re: Margarine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-23 17:41 +0000
[OT] Oil "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-23 20:21 +0200
Re: Margarine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-22 15:46 +0100
Re: Margarine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-22 15:40 +0100
Re: Margarine Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-10-23 09:21 +0100
Re: Margarine Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:40 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 10:20 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-20 17:57 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-19 20:49 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:21 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 19:04 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-18 14:07 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-10-18 11:45 -0700
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-18 19:27 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 02:30 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 02:06 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 19:05 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-18 19:32 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-18 19:37 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 02:20 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:40 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-19 21:00 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 03:03 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-10-20 11:40 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 14:26 +0100
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-22 12:19 +0200 |
| Subject | Margarine |
| Message-ID | <li4pqmx2c5.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #94516 |
On 2026-10-21 21:58, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 19:58:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> Here butter used to came wrapped with metallised paper, and margarine in >> plastic containers. And it was yellow. > > https://www.newyorkalmanack.com/2022/04/crimes-against-butter-the- > oleomargarine-controversy/ > > According to that they could sell colorized margarine after 1953. My > mother always baked butter cookies for Christmas and I can remember her > kneading the dye in. She swore she would never do such a thing but she > also said she never smoked. She had a very selective memory. > > Also, never assume a little kid isn't taking notes. So, margarine in the XIX? I had no idea is was that old. I only knew the recent version of around 1975, maybe later. It was sold as healthier, made from vegetable oil. I see in the wikipedia that they have evolved this century, but the issue is so controversial that there is no reliable info. They try to make a product that generates less cholesterol in blood, I guess. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-22 07:16 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Margarine |
| Message-ID | <oeqdnTvDb6_pbUT3nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #94534 |
On 10/22/26 06:19, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-10-21 21:58, rbowman wrote: >> On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 19:58:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> Here butter used to came wrapped with metallised paper, and margarine in >>> plastic containers. And it was yellow. >> >> https://www.newyorkalmanack.com/2022/04/crimes-against-butter-the- >> oleomargarine-controversy/ >> >> According to that they could sell colorized margarine after 1953. My >> mother always baked butter cookies for Christmas and I can remember her >> kneading the dye in. She swore she would never do such a thing but she >> also said she never smoked. She had a very selective memory. >> >> Also, never assume a little kid isn't taking notes. > > So, margarine in the XIX? I had no idea is was that old. I only knew the > recent version of around 1975, maybe later. It was sold as healthier, > made from vegetable oil. > > I see in the wikipedia that they have evolved this century, but the > issue is so controversial that there is no reliable info. They try to > make a product that generates less cholesterol in blood, I guess. My mother remembered USA margarine coming with the little yellow dye thing during WW2. UK and nearby, probably well after the war. Healthier ? No, not really. It remained popular because it was usually easier to spread, cheaper and had a longer shelf-life than real butter. Oh, NOW we know, dairy fats really are not bad for you. The margarine made of mystery oils is more suspect.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-22 13:46 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Margarine |
| Message-ID | <5m9pqmxfjm.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #94539 |
On 2026-10-22 13:16, c186282 wrote: > On 10/22/26 06:19, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-10-21 21:58, rbowman wrote: >>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 19:58:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> Here butter used to came wrapped with metallised paper, and >>>> margarine in >>>> plastic containers. And it was yellow. >>> >>> https://www.newyorkalmanack.com/2022/04/crimes-against-butter-the- >>> oleomargarine-controversy/ >>> >>> According to that they could sell colorized margarine after 1953. My >>> mother always baked butter cookies for Christmas and I can remember her >>> kneading the dye in. She swore she would never do such a thing but she >>> also said she never smoked. She had a very selective memory. >>> >>> Also, never assume a little kid isn't taking notes. >> >> So, margarine in the XIX? I had no idea is was that old. I only knew >> the recent version of around 1975, maybe later. It was sold as >> healthier, made from vegetable oil. >> >> I see in the wikipedia that they have evolved this century, but the >> issue is so controversial that there is no reliable info. They try to >> make a product that generates less cholesterol in blood, I guess. > > My mother remembered USA margarine coming with the > little yellow dye thing during WW2. UK and nearby, > probably well after the war. > > Healthier ? No, not really. It remained popular > because it was usually easier to spread, cheaper > and had a longer shelf-life than real butter. I remember the commercials here saying that it was healthier (as in less cholesterol, or you got less fat). Might have been 1980. Possibly cheaper, but I know my mother started to buy it because of the healthier aspect. > > Oh, NOW we know, dairy fats really are not bad > for you. The margarine made of mystery oils is > more suspect. Mystery oils? No, here they have to list them exactly. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-22 15:54 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Margarine |
| Message-ID | <11bd82g$u5du$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94544 |
On 22/10/2026 12:46, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-10-22 13:16, c186282 wrote: >> On 10/22/26 06:19, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2026-10-21 21:58, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 19:58:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> Here butter used to came wrapped with metallised paper, and >>>>> margarine in >>>>> plastic containers. And it was yellow. >>>> >>>> https://www.newyorkalmanack.com/2022/04/crimes-against-butter-the- >>>> oleomargarine-controversy/ >>>> >>>> According to that they could sell colorized margarine after 1953. My >>>> mother always baked butter cookies for Christmas and I can remember her >>>> kneading the dye in. She swore she would never do such a thing but she >>>> also said she never smoked. She had a very selective memory. >>>> >>>> Also, never assume a little kid isn't taking notes. >>> >>> So, margarine in the XIX? I had no idea is was that old. I only knew >>> the recent version of around 1975, maybe later. It was sold as >>> healthier, made from vegetable oil. >>> >>> I see in the wikipedia that they have evolved this century, but the >>> issue is so controversial that there is no reliable info. They try to >>> make a product that generates less cholesterol in blood, I guess. >> >> My mother remembered USA margarine coming with the >> little yellow dye thing during WW2. UK and nearby, >> probably well after the war. >> >> Healthier ? No, not really. It remained popular >> because it was usually easier to spread, cheaper >> and had a longer shelf-life than real butter. > > I remember the commercials here saying that it was healthier (as in less > cholesterol, or you got less fat). Might have been 1980. Possibly > cheaper, but I know my mother started to buy it because of the healthier > aspect. > The health advice is a lot more nuanced these days Trans fats - heavily processed oils made to be solid as in cheap margarine and many biscuit and pastry products are extremely bad. Meat fat, dairy fats coconut oil are saturated fats and are needful bit not to be eaten in quantity Unsaturated fats like most pure vegetable oils is allegedly the best HOWEVER there is a linkage called 'metabolic syndrome' which links high blood lipid levels, impaired insulin response (Type II diabetes), obesity and higher risk of blocked arteries all to intake of excess carbohydrates. It is known that eating fat reduces hunger and helps avoid overeating of starches and sugars >> >> Oh, NOW we know, dairy fats really are not bad >> for you. The margarine made of mystery oils is >> more suspect. > > Mystery oils? No, here they have to list them exactly. > It is less what they are than how they are processed. > -- There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons that sound good. Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-22 17:46 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Margarine |
| Message-ID | <njv0fgFiqckU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94544 |
On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 13:46:45 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I remember the commercials here saying that it was healthier (as in less > cholesterol, or you got less fat). Might have been 1980. Possibly > cheaper, > but I know my mother started to buy it because of the healthier aspect. In the early '50s my mother bought it for the Christmas cookies because it was cheaper. That was why she was so adamant she never used it. The cookies were meant to be brought to various holiday parties. Housewives of the time that found one of their own using inferior products made a shark tank look inviting. Decades ago I used Canola, a trademark of a Canadian cultivar that became a generic term. It was a more marketable name than rapeseed oil. Then one day I noticed it smelled a lot like the boiled linseed oil I used to finish dulcimers. I switched to olive oil. At my last physical my HDL level was high enough that it slightly offset other risk factors. My diet would not be approved by a cardiologist but it seems to be working for me. Like lactose tolerance I have the feeling my ancestors were People Eating Tasty Animals rather than plant munchers.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-22 19:05 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Margarine |
| Message-ID | <M7tCS.2$l84f.1@fx40.iad> |
| In reply to | #94567 |
On 2026-10-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > Decades ago I used Canola, a trademark of a Canadian cultivar that became > a generic term. It was a more marketable name than rapeseed oil. Then one > day I noticed it smelled a lot like the boiled linseed oil I used to > finish dulcimers. I switched to olive oil. We use canola oil if we want a lighter oil that can withstand high temperatures. Otherwise our go-to is olive oil. I always wondered about that term "extra virgin olive oil" (or EVOO, thank you Rachael Ray). Just how virgin can you get? Do extra-virgins only get a little bit pregnant? -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 00:19 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Margarine |
| Message-ID | <njvng9FiqckU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94584 |
On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 19:05:16 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > I always wondered about that term "extra virgin olive oil" > (or EVOO, thank you Rachael Ray). Just how virgin can you get? > Do extra-virgins only get a little bit pregnant? I get the Kirkland extra virgin out of habit. RFK Jr. asserts producers play fast and loose with the labeling. I believe that but I've never seen him recommend a brand. I've seen references to olive oil tasting events but I don't have enough taste buds left to bother. I don't deep fry and only smoke olive oil if I'm not paying attention. I did get a bottle of avocado oil but for my use didn't see an advantage. I do prefer mayonnaise made with avocado to the store brands. Even the ones that mention olive oil on the label wave an olive in the general direction of the soy, canola, or Mobil 1 that makes up the bulk of the ingredients.
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 04:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Margarine |
| Message-ID | <slrn11dlo19.2gg.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #94592 |
On 2026-10-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 19:05:16 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> I always wondered about that term "extra virgin olive oil" >> (or EVOO, thank you Rachael Ray). Just how virgin can you get? >> Do extra-virgins only get a little bit pregnant? > > I get the Kirkland extra virgin out of habit. RFK Jr. asserts producers > play fast and loose with the labeling. I believe that but I've never seen > him recommend a brand. I've seen references to olive oil tasting events > but I don't have enough taste buds left to bother. I have seen bottles at a grocery store labeled "Extra Virgin Olive Oil" in large print. Fine print clarifies that it is only 20% olive oil and the other 80% is something else. I would consider that labeling scheme to violate my understanding of what honesty is. Oddly, that combination of oils is exactly what my wife prefers. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 11:17 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Margarine |
| Message-ID | <k9lrqmxpf3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #94598 |
On 2026-10-23 06:18, Robert Riches wrote: > On 2026-10-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 19:05:16 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> I always wondered about that term "extra virgin olive oil" >>> (or EVOO, thank you Rachael Ray). Just how virgin can you get? >>> Do extra-virgins only get a little bit pregnant? >> >> I get the Kirkland extra virgin out of habit. RFK Jr. asserts producers >> play fast and loose with the labeling. I believe that but I've never seen >> him recommend a brand. I've seen references to olive oil tasting events >> but I don't have enough taste buds left to bother. > > I have seen bottles at a grocery store labeled "Extra Virgin > Olive Oil" in large print. Fine print clarifies that it is only > 20% olive oil and the other 80% is something else. I would > consider that labeling scheme to violate my understanding of what > honesty is. Oddly, that combination of oils is exactly what my > wife prefers. > That labelling in Spain would get you (them) in prison. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 10:33 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Margarine |
| Message-ID | <11bf9kd$1koel$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94604 |
On 23/10/2026 10:17, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-10-23 06:18, Robert Riches wrote: >> On 2026-10-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 19:05:16 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> I always wondered about that term "extra virgin olive oil" >>>> (or EVOO, thank you Rachael Ray). Just how virgin can you get? >>>> Do extra-virgins only get a little bit pregnant? >>> >>> I get the Kirkland extra virgin out of habit. RFK Jr. asserts producers >>> play fast and loose with the labeling. I believe that but I've never >>> seen >>> him recommend a brand. I've seen references to olive oil tasting events >>> but I don't have enough taste buds left to bother. >> >> I have seen bottles at a grocery store labeled "Extra Virgin >> Olive Oil" in large print. Fine print clarifies that it is only >> 20% olive oil and the other 80% is something else. I would >> consider that labeling scheme to violate my understanding of what >> honesty is. Oddly, that combination of oils is exactly what my >> wife prefers. >> > > That labelling in Spain would get you (them) in prison. > The laugh is that Spsin Italy and Greece sell around 3 times the 'virgin olive oil' that they actually produce The labels may be legal, but whats inside the bottle is not Guardian UK from 14 years ago "Last month, the Olive Oil Times reported that two Spanish businessmen had been sentenced to two years in prison in Cordoba for selling hundreds of thousands of litres of supposedly extra virgin olive oil that was, in fact, a mixture of 70-80% sunflower oil and 20-30% olive. In 2008, Italian police arrested over 60 people and closed more than 90 farms and processing plants across the south after uncovering substandard, non-Italian olive oil being passed off as Italian extra virgin, and chlorophyll and beta-carotene being added to sunflower and soybean oil with the same aim. Most alarmingly, a study last year by researchers at the University of California, Davis and the Australian Oils Research Laboratory concluded that as much as 69% of imported European olive oil (and a far smaller proportion of native Californian) sold as extra virgin in the delicatessens and grocery stores on the US west coast wasn't what it claimed to be." -- When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it. Frédéric Bastiat
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 12:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Margarine |
| Message-ID | <b1prqmxach.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #94605 |
On 2026-10-23 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 23/10/2026 10:17, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-10-23 06:18, Robert Riches wrote: >>> On 2026-10-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 19:05:16 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> >>>>> I always wondered about that term "extra virgin olive oil" >>>>> (or EVOO, thank you Rachael Ray). Just how virgin can you get? >>>>> Do extra-virgins only get a little bit pregnant? >>>> >>>> I get the Kirkland extra virgin out of habit. RFK Jr. asserts producers >>>> play fast and loose with the labeling. I believe that but I've never >>>> seen >>>> him recommend a brand. I've seen references to olive oil tasting events >>>> but I don't have enough taste buds left to bother. >>> >>> I have seen bottles at a grocery store labeled "Extra Virgin >>> Olive Oil" in large print. Fine print clarifies that it is only >>> 20% olive oil and the other 80% is something else. I would >>> consider that labeling scheme to violate my understanding of what >>> honesty is. Oddly, that combination of oils is exactly what my >>> wife prefers. >>> >> >> That labelling in Spain would get you (them) in prison. >> > The laugh is that Spsin Italy and Greece sell around 3 times the 'virgin > olive oil' that they actually produce > > The labels may be legal, but whats inside the bottle is not That's a lie. > > Guardian UK from 14 years ago > > "Last month, the Olive Oil Times reported that two Spanish businessmen > had been sentenced to two years in prison in Cordoba for selling > hundreds of thousands of litres of supposedly extra virgin olive oil > that was, in fact, a mixture of 70-80% sunflower oil and 20-30% olive. > > In 2008, Italian police arrested over 60 people and closed more than 90 > farms and processing plants across the south after uncovering > substandard, non-Italian olive oil being passed off as Italian extra > virgin, and chlorophyll and beta-carotene being added to sunflower and > soybean oil with the same aim. > > Most alarmingly, a study last year by researchers at the University of > California, Davis and the Australian Oils Research Laboratory concluded > that as much as 69% of imported European olive oil (and a far smaller > proportion of native Californian) sold as extra virgin in the > delicatessens and grocery stores on the US west coast wasn't what it > claimed to be." > > > Italy. Mafia land. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 11:49 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Margarine |
| Message-ID | <11bfe36$1n7b8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94608 |
On 23/10/2026 11:20, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-10-23 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 23/10/2026 10:17, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2026-10-23 06:18, Robert Riches wrote: >>>> On 2026-10-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 19:05:16 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I always wondered about that term "extra virgin olive oil" >>>>>> (or EVOO, thank you Rachael Ray). Just how virgin can you get? >>>>>> Do extra-virgins only get a little bit pregnant? >>>>> >>>>> I get the Kirkland extra virgin out of habit. RFK Jr. asserts >>>>> producers >>>>> play fast and loose with the labeling. I believe that but I've >>>>> never seen >>>>> him recommend a brand. I've seen references to olive oil tasting >>>>> events >>>>> but I don't have enough taste buds left to bother. >>>> >>>> I have seen bottles at a grocery store labeled "Extra Virgin >>>> Olive Oil" in large print. Fine print clarifies that it is only >>>> 20% olive oil and the other 80% is something else. I would >>>> consider that labeling scheme to violate my understanding of what >>>> honesty is. Oddly, that combination of oils is exactly what my >>>> wife prefers. >>>> >>> >>> That labelling in Spain would get you (them) in prison. >>> >> The laugh is that Spsin Italy and Greece sell around 3 times the >> 'virgin olive oil' that they actually produce >> >> The labels may be legal, but whats inside the bottle is not > > That's a lie. > >> >> Guardian UK from 14 years ago >> >> "Last month, the Olive Oil Times reported that two Spanish businessmen >> had been sentenced to two years in prison in Cordoba for selling >> hundreds of thousands of litres of supposedly extra virgin olive oil >> that was, in fact, a mixture of 70-80% sunflower oil and 20-30% olive. >> >> In 2008, Italian police arrested over 60 people and closed more than >> 90 farms and processing plants across the south after uncovering >> substandard, non-Italian olive oil being passed off as Italian extra >> virgin, and chlorophyll and beta-carotene being added to sunflower and >> soybean oil with the same aim. >> >> Most alarmingly, a study last year by researchers at the University of >> California, Davis and the Australian Oils Research Laboratory >> concluded that as much as 69% of imported European olive oil (and a >> far smaller proportion of native Californian) sold as extra virgin in >> the delicatessens and grocery stores on the US west coast wasn't what >> it claimed to be." >> >> >> > > Italy. Mafia land. > "Two Spanish men, in Cordoba." Right. Cognitive dissonacee again -- It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. Mark Twain
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 09:25 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Margarine |
| Message-ID | <11bf5lb$1jnie$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94584 |
On 22/10/2026 20:05, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > I always wondered about that term "extra virgin olive oil" > (or EVOO, thank you Rachael Ray). Just how virgin can you get? > Do extra-virgins only get a little bit pregnant? There is oil that is pressed straight out. Oil that gets pressed a second time, and oil that is chemically recovered. -- “A leader is best When people barely know he exists. Of a good leader, who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say, “We did this ourselves.” ― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 11:15 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Margarine |
| Message-ID | <d6lrqmxpf3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #94584 |
On 2026-10-22 21:05, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-10-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> Decades ago I used Canola, a trademark of a Canadian cultivar that became >> a generic term. It was a more marketable name than rapeseed oil. Then one >> day I noticed it smelled a lot like the boiled linseed oil I used to >> finish dulcimers. I switched to olive oil. > > We use canola oil if we want a lighter oil that can withstand > high temperatures. Otherwise our go-to is olive oil. > > I always wondered about that term "extra virgin olive oil" > (or EVOO, thank you Rachael Ray). Just how virgin can you get? > Do extra-virgins only get a little bit pregnant? > "virgin" refers to no chemicals used for extraction or refining. Conversación del Modo IA: what means olive extra virgin olive oil? what means olive extra virgin olive oil? Extra Virgin Olive Oil (EVOO) is the highest quality grade of olive oil available. The name reflects exactly how the oil is made, its absolute purity, and its lack of chemical alterations. The definition breaks down into three core components: • "Olive Oil": It is a natural fat extracted from fresh, whole olives (the fruit of the olive tree). • "Virgin": This means the oil is 100% pure olive juice. It is extracted using purely mechanical methods—like crushing and centrifuging—without any chemical solvents, heavy processing, or refining. • "Extra": To earn the "extra" modifier, the oil must pass strict laboratory and sensory standards. It must have zero taste defects, a fresh and fruity flavor profile, and a free acidity level of 0.8% or lower. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 07:04 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Margarine |
| Message-ID | <NIadnSsrZMayokb3nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #94544 |
On 10/22/26 07:46, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-10-22 13:16, c186282 wrote: >> On 10/22/26 06:19, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2026-10-21 21:58, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 19:58:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> Here butter used to came wrapped with metallised paper, and >>>>> margarine in >>>>> plastic containers. And it was yellow. >>>> >>>> https://www.newyorkalmanack.com/2022/04/crimes-against-butter-the- >>>> oleomargarine-controversy/ >>>> >>>> According to that they could sell colorized margarine after 1953. My >>>> mother always baked butter cookies for Christmas and I can remember her >>>> kneading the dye in. She swore she would never do such a thing but she >>>> also said she never smoked. She had a very selective memory. >>>> >>>> Also, never assume a little kid isn't taking notes. >>> >>> So, margarine in the XIX? I had no idea is was that old. I only knew >>> the recent version of around 1975, maybe later. It was sold as >>> healthier, made from vegetable oil. >>> >>> I see in the wikipedia that they have evolved this century, but the >>> issue is so controversial that there is no reliable info. They try to >>> make a product that generates less cholesterol in blood, I guess. >> >> My mother remembered USA margarine coming with the >> little yellow dye thing during WW2. UK and nearby, >> probably well after the war. >> >> Healthier ? No, not really. It remained popular >> because it was usually easier to spread, cheaper >> and had a longer shelf-life than real butter. > > I remember the commercials here saying that it was healthier (as in less > cholesterol, or you got less fat). Might have been 1980. Possibly > cheaper, but I know my mother started to buy it because of the healthier > aspect. Well ... don't count on commercials for accurate info :-) >> Oh, NOW we know, dairy fats really are not bad >> for you. The margarine made of mystery oils is >> more suspect. > > Mystery oils? No, here they have to list them exactly. Exact mix would depend on the brand. Also will change, types and proportions, over time. Suggest looking at detailed ingredients lists. Frankly you're probably better off with real butter. However if you don't use much then it would not be insane to consider the better shelf life of margarine.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 14:09 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Margarine |
| Message-ID | <5cvrqmxfs2.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #94612 |
On 2026-10-23 13:04, c186282 wrote: > On 10/22/26 07:46, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-10-22 13:16, c186282 wrote: >>> On 10/22/26 06:19, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2026-10-21 21:58, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 19:58:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Here butter used to came wrapped with metallised paper, and >>>>>> margarine in >>>>>> plastic containers. And it was yellow. >>>>> >>>>> https://www.newyorkalmanack.com/2022/04/crimes-against-butter-the- >>>>> oleomargarine-controversy/ >>>>> >>>>> According to that they could sell colorized margarine after 1953. My >>>>> mother always baked butter cookies for Christmas and I can remember >>>>> her >>>>> kneading the dye in. She swore she would never do such a thing but she >>>>> also said she never smoked. She had a very selective memory. >>>>> >>>>> Also, never assume a little kid isn't taking notes. >>>> >>>> So, margarine in the XIX? I had no idea is was that old. I only knew >>>> the recent version of around 1975, maybe later. It was sold as >>>> healthier, made from vegetable oil. >>>> >>>> I see in the wikipedia that they have evolved this century, but the >>>> issue is so controversial that there is no reliable info. They try >>>> to make a product that generates less cholesterol in blood, I guess. >>> >>> My mother remembered USA margarine coming with the >>> little yellow dye thing during WW2. UK and nearby, >>> probably well after the war. >>> >>> Healthier ? No, not really. It remained popular >>> because it was usually easier to spread, cheaper >>> and had a longer shelf-life than real butter. >> >> I remember the commercials here saying that it was healthier (as in >> less cholesterol, or you got less fat). Might have been 1980. Possibly >> cheaper, but I know my mother started to buy it because of the >> healthier aspect. > > Well ... don't count on commercials for accurate info :-) At that time, everybody agreed. > >>> Oh, NOW we know, dairy fats really are not bad >>> for you. The margarine made of mystery oils is >>> more suspect. >> >> Mystery oils? No, here they have to list them exactly. > > Exact mix would depend on the brand. Also will change, > types and proportions, over time. Suggest looking > at detailed ingredients lists. Here, they don't always need to tell the percents (I don't know when they have to, or not), but they must list ingredients in sorted order, from greatest percent to lowest. Then, for margarine the exact processing matters. Maybe they have to list the resulting list of components. Dunno, I don't buy margarine. I use olive oil, except when I have the temptation and buy butter in small, single use portions. > > Frankly you're probably better off with real butter. > However if you don't use much then it would not be > insane to consider the better shelf life of margarine. > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 13:53 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Margarine |
| Message-ID | <11bflc9$1q5ic$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94614 |
On 23/10/2026 13:09, Carlos E.R. wrote: > Dunno, I don't buy margarine. I use olive oil, except when I have the > temptation and buy butter in small, single use portions. Laudable. In UK butter is very easy to get these days. And delicious. I like olive oil too. But it is expensive and never unless you pay a fortune, the 'best' olive oil E.g. what I buy is 80% chemically 'refined' oil and 20% virgin. That's for cooking. I have better for salads -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 09:18 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Margarine |
| Message-ID | <t-mdnZXfU9Uuw0b3nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #94614 |
On 10/23/26 08:09, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-10-23 13:04, c186282 wrote: >> On 10/22/26 07:46, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2026-10-22 13:16, c186282 wrote: >>>> On 10/22/26 06:19, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> On 2026-10-21 21:58, rbowman wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 19:58:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Here butter used to came wrapped with metallised paper, and >>>>>>> margarine in >>>>>>> plastic containers. And it was yellow. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.newyorkalmanack.com/2022/04/crimes-against-butter-the- >>>>>> oleomargarine-controversy/ >>>>>> >>>>>> According to that they could sell colorized margarine after 1953. My >>>>>> mother always baked butter cookies for Christmas and I can >>>>>> remember her >>>>>> kneading the dye in. She swore she would never do such a thing but >>>>>> she >>>>>> also said she never smoked. She had a very selective memory. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, never assume a little kid isn't taking notes. >>>>> >>>>> So, margarine in the XIX? I had no idea is was that old. I only >>>>> knew the recent version of around 1975, maybe later. It was sold as >>>>> healthier, made from vegetable oil. >>>>> >>>>> I see in the wikipedia that they have evolved this century, but the >>>>> issue is so controversial that there is no reliable info. They try >>>>> to make a product that generates less cholesterol in blood, I guess. >>>> >>>> My mother remembered USA margarine coming with the >>>> little yellow dye thing during WW2. UK and nearby, >>>> probably well after the war. >>>> >>>> Healthier ? No, not really. It remained popular >>>> because it was usually easier to spread, cheaper >>>> and had a longer shelf-life than real butter. >>> >>> I remember the commercials here saying that it was healthier (as in >>> less cholesterol, or you got less fat). Might have been 1980. >>> Possibly cheaper, but I know my mother started to buy it because of >>> the healthier aspect. >> >> Well ... don't count on commercials for accurate info :-) > > At that time, everybody agreed. > > >> >>>> Oh, NOW we know, dairy fats really are not bad >>>> for you. The margarine made of mystery oils is >>>> more suspect. >>> >>> Mystery oils? No, here they have to list them exactly. >> >> Exact mix would depend on the brand. Also will change, >> types and proportions, over time. Suggest looking >> at detailed ingredients lists. > > Here, they don't always need to tell the percents (I don't know when > they have to, or not), but they must list ingredients in sorted order, > from greatest percent to lowest. USA ... the exact percentages often do not appear. > Then, for margarine the exact processing matters. Maybe they have to > list the resulting list of components. Dunno, I don't buy margarine. I > use olive oil, except when I have the temptation and buy butter in > small, single use portions. Um ... olive oil isn't going to be good for yer ham sandwich or yummy dinner rolls. Anyway, some of the oils used by industries have been found to be quite bad for you, at least one was banned. Anyway, for sandwiches, rolls and toast and such real butter tastes better. I'd rather have 'cow' in it than that list of 27 odd oils and chems you may find in 'alternatives'. Hmmm ... I sometimes pick up a few convenience store sandwiches - handy. Actually read the label not long ago. There was, for example, "ham, turkey and cheese" and then a gigantic list of chemicals. The chems were all in the BUN. But, being keto, I don't eat the buns - they're just the 'plate' for the meat wraps inside :-)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 20:07 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Margarine |
| Message-ID | <pcksqmxof7.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #94617 |
On 2026-10-23 15:18, c186282 wrote: > On 10/23/26 08:09, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-10-23 13:04, c186282 wrote: >>> On 10/22/26 07:46, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2026-10-22 13:16, c186282 wrote: >>>>> On 10/22/26 06:19, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> >>>>> Oh, NOW we know, dairy fats really are not bad >>>>> for you. The margarine made of mystery oils is >>>>> more suspect. >>>> >>>> Mystery oils? No, here they have to list them exactly. >>> >>> Exact mix would depend on the brand. Also will change, >>> types and proportions, over time. Suggest looking >>> at detailed ingredients lists. >> >> Here, they don't always need to tell the percents (I don't know when >> they have to, or not), but they must list ingredients in sorted order, >> from greatest percent to lowest. > > USA ... the exact percentages often do not appear. > >> Then, for margarine the exact processing matters. Maybe they have to >> list the resulting list of components. Dunno, I don't buy margarine. I >> use olive oil, except when I have the temptation and buy butter in >> small, single use portions. > > > Um ... olive oil isn't going to be good > for yer ham sandwich or yummy dinner rolls. It is wonderful for toast, which is what I was thinking of. But I have used it to make cakes, which to me, are very good. For example, traditional toast has olive oil and garlic. I'm unsure you'd have a taste for them. Another version use crushed tomato instead. > > Anyway, some of the oils used by industries > have been found to be quite bad for you, at > least one was banned. > > Anyway, for sandwiches, rolls and toast and > such real butter tastes better. I'd rather > have 'cow' in it than that list of 27 odd > oils and chems you may find in 'alternatives'. > > Hmmm ... I sometimes pick up a few convenience > store sandwiches - handy. Actually read the label > not long ago. There was, for example, "ham, turkey > and cheese" and then a gigantic list of chemicals. > The chems were all in the BUN. But, being keto, > I don't eat the buns - they're just the 'plate' > for the meat wraps inside :-) > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 17:41 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Margarine |
| Message-ID | <nk1ki8F1rhjU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94614 |
On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 14:09:09 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > Here, they don't always need to tell the percents (I don't know when > they have to, or not), but they must list ingredients in sorted order, > from greatest percent to lowest. I don't remember seeing percentages on anything only the sorted list. Some brands of peanut butter list 'peanuts, hydrogenated vegetable oil, etc'. Is that 51% peanuts, 48% Crisco, and some trace elements? I Prefer almond butter but I buy it from a couple of stores in town where you grind it yourself from a hopper full of almond pieces. There's a similar machine for peanuts and cashews. There isn't a DIY olive press so I have to believe the label on the bottle.
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