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| Started by | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| First post | 2026-10-16 15:45 +0000 |
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The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-16 15:45 +0000
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-16 16:56 +0100
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-16 17:08 +0000
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-10-16 19:13 +0000
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-17 13:29 +0000
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-17 13:51 +0000
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-17 14:19 +0000
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 19:37 +0200
Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 11:25 +0100
Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-18 11:57 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:20 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:25 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:31 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:23 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-18 13:35 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 18:45 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-18 21:41 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-19 00:57 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-19 09:26 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-19 14:17 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 02:11 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-19 02:38 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 03:52 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-19 03:56 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 05:58 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 02:41 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-19 03:03 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 02:49 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 11:49 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 02:29 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-20 01:59 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-20 13:20 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 14:29 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-20 18:10 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 10:19 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-20 18:05 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:15 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-19 00:44 -0400
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 11:54 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-19 20:27 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:38 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:26 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 18:59 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-19 20:36 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 09:08 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-20 10:35 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 14:21 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 18:55 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-10-18 19:05 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:41 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-10-19 00:15 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 02:02 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 02:18 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-20 01:52 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-20 10:37 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-10-20 11:39 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 14:22 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-20 21:11 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-20 17:45 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-20 18:28 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 01:05 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 11:48 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 02:42 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 02:20 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-10-20 08:39 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 07:53 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-20 10:38 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 14:23 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-20 21:13 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-20 23:18 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-21 03:09 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-21 03:22 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-21 11:19 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 13:44 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-21 13:54 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-21 15:33 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 15:19 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 10:24 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-21 03:16 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 02:31 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-21 03:22 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-21 11:21 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 14:00 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-21 19:56 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-20 19:04 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-20 22:02 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 10:22 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:29 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 02:12 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 10:22 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 13:57 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 15:18 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-21 19:58 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 10:20 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-20 17:57 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-19 20:49 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:21 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 19:04 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-18 14:07 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-10-18 11:45 -0700
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-18 19:27 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 02:30 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 02:06 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 19:05 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-18 19:32 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-18 19:37 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 02:20 +0000
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:40 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-19 21:00 +0200
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 03:03 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-10-20 11:40 +0100
Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 14:26 +0100
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 03:22 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial |
| Message-ID | <DdWBS.93421$TYg.56879@fx21.iad> |
| In reply to | #94446 |
On 2026-10-21, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 23:18:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> I don't think anyone knows what the "2032" part even means. >> I didn't myself until recently, when I started correlating it with the >> numbers on other sizes of batteries (plus a bit of work with a measuring >> tape). > > You figure it out when you find you have a 2032 but really need a 2012, > 2016, 2020, or 2025. > > Then there are the cylindrical lithium-ios batteries. I've got some > 18650s, probably the most common, but there are a number of other sizes, > one of which is dimensionaly the same as an AA, or the 18500 which is a > fat AA. > > If I were dictator of the world there would be a lot fewer battery sizes, > oil filter types, and so forth. I wonder how many corporations would put a price on your head. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 11:21 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial |
| Message-ID | <spcmqmxgoo.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #94446 |
On 2026-10-21 04:31, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 23:18:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> I don't think anyone knows what the "2032" part even means. >> I didn't myself until recently, when I started correlating it with the >> numbers on other sizes of batteries (plus a bit of work with a measuring >> tape). > > You figure it out when you find you have a 2032 but really need a 2012, > 2016, 2020, or 2025. But it doesn't matter that much, does it? The holder may actually be able to hold a variety of sizes. Voltage is the same. Slight variation on capability. > > Then there are the cylindrical lithium-ios batteries. I've got some > 18650s, probably the most common, but there are a number of other sizes, > one of which is dimensionaly the same as an AA, or the 18500 which is a > fat AA. > > If I were dictator of the world there would be a lot fewer battery sizes, > oil filter types, and so forth. Aye! :-D -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 14:00 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial |
| Message-ID | <njrus2F3j5uU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94466 |
On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 11:21:32 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-10-21 04:31, rbowman wrote: >> On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 23:18:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> I don't think anyone knows what the "2032" part even means. >>> I didn't myself until recently, when I started correlating it with the >>> numbers on other sizes of batteries (plus a bit of work with a >>> measuring tape). >> >> You figure it out when you find you have a 2032 but really need a 2012, >> 2016, 2020, or 2025. > > But it doesn't matter that much, does it? The holder may actually be > able to hold a variety of sizes. Voltage is the same. Slight variation > on capability. I've never seen a holder that can accept another size. I think some can stack two 2016s but its to get a higher voltage than a 2032.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 19:56 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial |
| Message-ID | <8vanqmxmhn.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #94490 |
On 2026-10-21 16:00, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 11:21:32 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2026-10-21 04:31, rbowman wrote: >>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 23:18:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> I don't think anyone knows what the "2032" part even means. >>>> I didn't myself until recently, when I started correlating it with the >>>> numbers on other sizes of batteries (plus a bit of work with a >>>> measuring tape). >>> >>> You figure it out when you find you have a 2032 but really need a 2012, >>> 2016, 2020, or 2025. >> >> But it doesn't matter that much, does it? The holder may actually be >> able to hold a variety of sizes. Voltage is the same. Slight variation >> on capability. > > I've never seen a holder that can accept another size. I think some can > stack two 2016s but its to get a higher voltage than a 2032. You could use a 2025 instead of a 2030 or 2032. As long as the holder has a bit of spring. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-20 19:04 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial |
| Message-ID | <sXOBS.7016$5Iy.2789@fx04.iad> |
| In reply to | #94380 |
On 2026-10-20, Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> wrote: > Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> Do people in the USA use another numbering for CR2032 batteries? Or do >> they just use the SI units there? > > 3,5 Inch Floppies are actually specced as 89 mm. In the 1990ies some > german courts fined companied for not giving the floppy size in SI > units, which prompty led to advertisements like "Diskette 8,89 cm". What amuses me is when I go to the grocery store for some butter and it's marked "454 g". So how metric are we, really? Give a man 25.4 mm, and he'll take 1.609 km. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-20 22:02 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial |
| Message-ID | <80ukqmxqvs.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #94421 |
On 2026-10-20 21:04, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-10-20, Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> wrote: > >> Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Do people in the USA use another numbering for CR2032 batteries? Or do >>> they just use the SI units there? >> >> 3,5 Inch Floppies are actually specced as 89 mm. In the 1990ies some >> german courts fined companied for not giving the floppy size in SI >> units, which prompty led to advertisements like "Diskette 8,89 cm". > > What amuses me is when I go to the grocery store for some butter > and it's marked "454 g". So how metric are we, really? Maybe the machines can not be adjusted. > > Give a man 25.4 mm, and he'll take 1.609 km. > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 10:22 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial |
| Message-ID | <11ba082$3p0ft$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94429 |
On 20/10/2026 21:02, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-10-20 21:04, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2026-10-20, Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> wrote: >> >>> Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> Do people in the USA use another numbering for CR2032 batteries? Or do >>>> they just use the SI units there? >>> >>> 3,5 Inch Floppies are actually specced as 89 mm. In the 1990ies some >>> german courts fined companied for not giving the floppy size in SI >>> units, which prompty led to advertisements like "Diskette 8,89 cm". >> >> What amuses me is when I go to the grocery store for some butter >> and it's marked "454 g". So how metric are we, really? > > Maybe the machines can not be adjusted. > Maybe it's simply cheaper to comply with stupid EU harmonisation rules by printing new packaging -- “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de M. de Voltaire
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-20 20:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial |
| Message-ID | <11b8ius$3b48o$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94421 |
On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 19:04:56 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > What amuses me is when I go to the grocery store for some butter > and it's marked "454 g". So how metric are we, really? (Checks fridge.) Here in 🇳🇿, our butter packs are 500g.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 02:12 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial |
| Message-ID | <njqld0Fei39U66@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94421 |
On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 19:04:56 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-10-20, Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> wrote: > >> Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Do people in the USA use another numbering for CR2032 batteries? Or do >>> they just use the SI units there? >> >> 3,5 Inch Floppies are actually specced as 89 mm. In the 1990ies some >> german courts fined companied for not giving the floppy size in SI >> units, which prompty led to advertisements like "Diskette 8,89 cm". > > What amuses me is when I go to the grocery store for some butter and > it's marked "454 g". So how metric are we, really? The Irish must be catering to the Americans. The Kerrygold butter box says 4 8 ounce sticks with the grams in parens.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 10:22 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial |
| Message-ID | <11ba09b$3p0ft$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94444 |
On 21/10/2026 03:12, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 19:04:56 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-10-20, Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> wrote: >> >>> Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> Do people in the USA use another numbering for CR2032 batteries? Or do >>>> they just use the SI units there? >>> >>> 3,5 Inch Floppies are actually specced as 89 mm. In the 1990ies some >>> german courts fined companied for not giving the floppy size in SI >>> units, which prompty led to advertisements like "Diskette 8,89 cm". >> >> What amuses me is when I go to the grocery store for some butter and >> it's marked "454 g". So how metric are we, really? > > The Irish must be catering to the Americans. The Kerrygold butter box says > 4 8 ounce sticks with the grams in parens. Expensive way to buy butter. -- “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de M. de Voltaire
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 13:57 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial |
| Message-ID | <njrulpF3j5uU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94464 |
On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 10:22:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> The Irish must be catering to the Americans. The Kerrygold butter box >> says 4 8 ounce sticks with the grams in parens. > > Expensive way to buy butter. How do you buy it? Walmart shows $9.27 for 16 oz in sticks, $5.56 for an 8 oz tub. Tub butter is suspect in the US. If you're not careful it's adulterated with canola if not pure margarine. When I was a kid margarine came in a sturdy plastic bag in its natural white color, The was a small capsule of yellow die that had to be kneaded in to make it look like butter.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 15:18 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial |
| Message-ID | <11bahkg$b33$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94489 |
On 21/10/2026 14:57, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 10:22:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >>> The Irish must be catering to the Americans. The Kerrygold butter box >>> says 4 8 ounce sticks with the grams in parens. >> >> Expensive way to buy butter. > > How do you buy it? Walmart shows $9.27 for 16 oz in sticks, $5.56 for an > 8 oz tub. Tub butter is suspect in the US. If you're not careful it's > adulterated with canola if not pure margarine. > I buy 450g for about $3. But the UK is much cheaper than the USA > When I was a kid margarine came in a sturdy plastic bag in its natural > white color, The was a small capsule of yellow die that had to be kneaded > in to make it look like butter. I cant believe its not margarine... -- "I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 19:58 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial |
| Message-ID | <j3bnqmxmhn.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #94489 |
On 2026-10-21 15:57, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 10:22:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >>> The Irish must be catering to the Americans. The Kerrygold butter box >>> says 4 8 ounce sticks with the grams in parens. >> >> Expensive way to buy butter. > > How do you buy it? Walmart shows $9.27 for 16 oz in sticks, $5.56 for an > 8 oz tub. Tub butter is suspect in the US. If you're not careful it's > adulterated with canola if not pure margarine. > > When I was a kid margarine came in a sturdy plastic bag in its natural > white color, The was a small capsule of yellow die that had to be kneaded > in to make it look like butter. Here butter used to came wrapped with metallised paper, and margarine in plastic containers. And it was yellow. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 10:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial |
| Message-ID | <11ba05h$3p0ft$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94421 |
On 20/10/2026 20:04, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-10-20, Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> wrote: > >> Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Do people in the USA use another numbering for CR2032 batteries? Or do >>> they just use the SI units there? >> >> 3,5 Inch Floppies are actually specced as 89 mm. In the 1990ies some >> german courts fined companied for not giving the floppy size in SI >> units, which prompty led to advertisements like "Diskette 8,89 cm". > > What amuses me is when I go to the grocery store for some butter > and it's marked "454 g". So how metric are we, really? > > Give a man 25.4 mm, and he'll take 1.609 km. > Theres always a man with a low coefficient of reflectivity in the wood pile -- “Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of a car with the cramped public exposure of an airplane.” Dennis Miller
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-20 17:57 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial |
| Message-ID | <njpod6Fei39U56@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94370 |
On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 02:20:22 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote: > Do people in the USA use another numbering for CR2032 batteries? Or do > they just use the SI units there? Most know what is stamped on the battery and don't really think about it being dimensions. It's haphazard. I'm looking at a sports drink bottle that is labeled 20 Fl Oz (59 ml). In other cases the label may lead with 750 lm (25.4 Fl Oz). The whisky bottlers were one of the first to go to SI units. A fifth of booze was a 1/5 of a US gallon or 757 ml. The new fifth is 750 ml. What difference does 7 ml make? Well, if you're bottling 100,000 units...
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 20:49 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) |
| Message-ID | <eb5iqmxe97.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #94213 |
On 2026-10-18 21:05, Roger Blake wrote:
> On 2026-10-18, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> Here, the imperial system is not even mentioned in school. All is SI. As
>> in most countries.
>
> How are vehicles wheel/tire diameters in your country measured?
> All the imported cars I see here in the U.S. have wheels and
> tire size measured in inches.
I don't know. I just ask my mechanic for a new set of wheels, in the
acceptable set listed by the manufacturer :-D
Google says:
Car wheels are measured using specific dimensions and a mix of inches
and millimeters, according to Wikipedia.
Main Measurements and Units
• Diameter (Rim Size): Measured in inches. This is the distance across
the wheel taken from the inside bead seat (where the tire mounts) rather
than the very outer edge of the lip.
• Width: Measured in inches. This is the distance between the inner bead
seat and the outer bead seat of the rim.
• Offset (ET): Measured in millimeters (mm). This is the distance from
the wheel's centerline to the surface that bolts against the car hub. It
can be positive, negative, or zero.
• PCD (Pitch Circle Diameter / Bolt Pattern): Expressed as the number of
bolt holes and the diameter of an imaginary circle passing through their
centers, measured in millimeters (mm) (e.g., 5x114.3).
• Center Bore: Measured in millimeters (mm). This is the diameter of the
large hole right in the center of the wheel that fits over the vehicle's
hub.
If you are looking up a specific wheel or tire size, let me know the
year, make, and model of your car and I can help you find the stock
dimensions.
And the tires?
Car tires (the rubber part) are measured using a mix of three different
metric and imperial units. If you look at the sidewall of a tire, you
will see a standardized code like 205/55R16, which breaks down as follows:
1. Section Width (Millimeters)
The first number indicates the width of the tire from sidewall to
sidewall in millimeters (mm). For example, a 205 tire is 205 millimeters
wide at its widest point.
2. Aspect Ratio (Percentage)
The second number is a percentage representing the profile or height of
the sidewall relative to the tire's width. In a 55 tire, the sidewall
height is 55% of its 205mm width (which equals about 112.75 mm). Lower
percentages mean a low-profile tire with a thinner rubber edge.
3. Wheel Diameter (Inches)
The final number tells you the size of the wheel the tire is designed to
fit, measured in inches. An R16 tire is designed for a 16-inch wheel
(the "R" stands for radial construction).
Complete Tire Specification Example: 205/55R16 91V
Component Meaning Unit / Type
205 Section Width Millimeters (mm)
55 Aspect Ratio Percentage (%)
R Construction Type Radial
16 Wheel Diameter Inches (")
91 Load Index Numeric Code (e.g., 91 = 615 kg)
V Speed Rating Letter Code (e.g., V = up to 240 km/h)
In primary school or high school, I never did calculations using inches
or miles or pounds, we only used the SI. There were lessons on the
equivalences, taught as a curiosity, not as a real thing. And how to
convert units.
In engineering schools, we used the SI. I also studied in a Canadian
college, I felt home there. No inches.
Of course, some engineers have to deal with things such as different
threads. Marines use the nautical miles, aviators use feet for altitude.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 13:21 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) |
| Message-ID | <11b2dl1$11pis$25@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94160 |
On 18/10/2026 12:57, Kenny McCormack wrote: > Believe it or not, this (the age-old discussion of US/Imperial vs. metric) > actually seems to be another instance of "Yes, it is technically superior, > but it is not the standard (i.e., what most people use), so we think you > should go with the standard even though it is technically inferior." > I fail to see anything superior about either system, frankly And I have used both nearly all my life. You don't get far as an engineer without being able to convert standards rapidly and fluently in your head. Or on a calculator The arguments are mostly people talking bollocks about stuff they have no understanding of, so they substitute violently defended opinions > There are actually quite a lot of those in life. > > I.e., what I'm saying is that there actually are quite a few arguments to > be made that US/Imperial is actually better. > *shrug* duodecimal versus decimal. sexadecimal even better 360 dyas in a year, almost. Good enough for religion > Sort of like Betamax (Yes, the classic example of "better does not ensure > market dominance".) Again *shrug*. Plywood is sold as 2.4384 metres long, instead of 8 feet. Its the same bloody sized wood It is a complete storm in a bigots teacup. Any US garage will be using metric and imperial all the time. Any pilot will be too. -- “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the urge to rule it.” – H. L. Mencken
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 19:04 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) |
| Message-ID | <njkji4Fei39U30@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94169 |
On Sun, 18 Oct 2026 13:21:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > I fail to see anything superior about either system, frankly When you are under the car it's much easier to say 'Darling, can you give me the 20' than ask for a 13/16".
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| From | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 14:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) |
| Message-ID | <18dfa4de459a02e4$1865$25751$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
| In reply to | #94160 |
On Sun, 18 Oct 2026 11:57:54 -0000 (UTC), Kenny McCormack wrote: > > I.e., what I'm saying is that there actually are quite a few arguments to > be made that US/Imperial is actually better. > The metric system was imposed, i.e. forced, whereas the Imperial units are traditional and hence far more natural. Forcing an entire society to change is never a good idea. To force SI units in the laboratory, among professional scientists, may be an easy switch, but to expect the general, unwashed, population to immediately embrace a new system of units is folly. Keep SI in the lab and let the common folk do as they always have done. Then there is the issue of manufacturing. Converting a large industrial base, such as in the US, willy-nilly to SI units is a very expensive undertaking. For example, virtually all lumber products in the US are cut to Imperial dimensions. The ubiquitous "stud," which is universal in construction, is still the "2 by 4" being 2 inches by 4 inches by 8 feet. I highly doubt that any lumber product is cut to SI dimensions. The saw mills are too old to easily change, and the wood worker is too conditioned to think differently. Also, most raw materials such as pipes, tubing, and other parts are still produced in Imperial units because most everything classified as buildings or infrastructure was built according to Imperial specs. It will be a LONG, LONG TIME before US society becomes exclusively metric.
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 11:45 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) |
| Message-ID | <11b3451$1d9sl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94198 |
On 10/18/2026 07:07, Leroy H wrote: >[...] > Then there is the issue of manufacturing. Converting a large industrial base, > such as in the US, willy-nilly to SI units is a very expensive undertaking. On the other hand, NOT joining the world standards has its own cost. Back in the 1980s, at a PPOE, we licensed a design for an electronic device. Having been designed in Scotland, of course all mechanical dimensions were given in millimeters. An older manufacturing manager wanted it "Americanized" and directed a summer intern to convert all dimensions to "traditional" measures. The kid got out a calculator and converted all measurements to inches with 3 decimals. When they took it to the metal shop, the shop foreman asked if they really needed the dimensions exact to 0.001" ? No, of course not, that would be way too expensive. So the old guy replaced all the measurements to fractional inches instead. The resulting product never worked right, but had bad fits between the PCBs and the card cage, betwwen the chassis frame and the side, top and bottom panels, and felt warped when customers tried to mount it in a rack. Of course, it was all stupid. The machine shop where they built it had mostly Japanese machinery, which could do inces or millimeters at the flick of a switch. > For example, virtually all lumber products in the US are cut to Imperial > dimensions. The ubiquitous "stud," which is universal in construction, is > still the "2 by 4" being 2 inches by 4 inches by 8 feet. I highly doubt > that any lumber product is cut to SI dimensions. The saw mills are too old > to easily change, and the wood worker is too conditioned to think differently. Your example is a little odd, because a "2 by 4" is NOT 2 inches by 4 inches and has not been for decades. A standard 2x4 lumber has actual dimensions of 1.5 inches thick by 3.5 inches wide (38 mm × 89 mm). This principle applies to other dimensional lumber as well, such as 2x6, 2x8, and 4x4, where the actual dimensions are slightly smaller than the nominal size to account for finishing processes. > Also, most raw materials such as pipes, tubing, and other parts are still > produced in Imperial units because most everything classified as buildings > or infrastructure was built according to Imperial specs. > > It will be a LONG, LONG TIME before US society becomes exclusively metric. Jimmy Carter started, but Reagan reversed the process. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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