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Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI

Started byLeroy H <lh@somewhere.net>
First post2026-10-16 03:26 +0000
Last post2026-10-18 10:59 +0000
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#93848

FromTapiro Ubriaco <interwebs.dude@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-16 11:13 +0000
Message-ID<11at0t3$31lan$14@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93841
On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 11:04:19 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> CS graduates should never in my experience get let anywhere near
> software design and development.

I fully 100% support the creation of a regulated profession of software 
engineering, much like medicine and civil engineering, which has its own 
curriculum, etc., and is distinct from CS, much in the same way as 
architecture and civil engineering is distinct from physics and arts.

But in the present world, for hiring purposes, you have to choose between 
CS majors and... well, failed economists and physicists and Javascript 
bootcamp graduates with BAs in critical gender theory.

And believe me, the latter are on average a much greater threat to any 
project.

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#93855

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-16 13:03 +0100
Message-ID<11at3ra$33n8m$37@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93848
On 16/10/2026 12:13, Tapiro Ubriaco wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 11:04:19 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> CS graduates should never in my experience get let anywhere near
>> software design and development.
> 
> I fully 100% support the creation of a regulated profession of software
> engineering, much like medicine and civil engineering, which has its own
> curriculum, etc., and is distinct from CS, much in the same way as
> architecture and civil engineering is distinct from physics and arts.
> 
> But in the present world, for hiring purposes, you have to choose between
> CS majors and... well, failed economists and physicists and Javascript
> bootcamp graduates with BAs in critical gender theory.
> 
When hiring, I had the option between science band maths graduates who 
had taught themselves computing and were humble and hard working and 
arrogant CS graduates who thought that anyone without a CS degree didn't 
understand computers and were not worth paying respect to.
I learnt not to employ them,
Other employees came through vocational courses in 'IT' . Tey were brilliant

Of course I understood computers all the way from a two transistor flip 
flop register all the way up to machine code on a processor.

Something the CS people had no clue about

> And believe me, the latter are on average a much greater threat to any
> project.

The only people who employ those are the 'creative' houses in charge of 
designing web sites that look pretty and don't work.

Critical race theorist are almost as useless ans critical computer theorists

Computers simply are not science. They are machines. Science is 'natural 
philosophy' The study of the natural world.

Computers are not natural. Ergo 'computer science' is meaningless bollocks

QED

-- 
Gun Control: The law that ensures that only criminals have guns.

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#93861

FromTapiro Ubriaco <interwebs.dude@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-16 12:26 +0000
Message-ID<11at565$31lan$20@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93855
On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 13:03:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Computers are not natural. Ergo 'computer science' is meaningless
> bollocks

I absolutely agree, the English term "computer science" is an unfortunate 
choice of words which had the main purpose of sounding trendy in the 50s 
(much like "artificial intelligence", "operations research", "linear 
programming").

Most pure / theoretical computer science is actually _computing_ science, 
i.e. the study of computational processes and their properties, with 
little regard to whether computation on abstract structures is carried out 
by mind or machine.

Does an algorithm terminate?
Which properties does a tree have?
What is computable? 

These are hardly computer-related topics and predate the first computers.

However, it must be noted that Von Neumann was likely familiar with the 
Turing machine as an abstraction and it influenced the Von Neumann design: 
maybe we needed a science of computation before we could build _practical_ 
computing machines?

On the other hand, the areas of distributed computing or databases or real 
time systems I'd clearly consider (theoretical) engineering, i.e. the 
study of man-made systems and their design.

You can find either at a CS conference.

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#93869

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-16 15:21 +0100
Message-ID<11atbt1$3bqcl$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93861
On 16/10/2026 13:26, Tapiro Ubriaco wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 13:03:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> Computers are not natural. Ergo 'computer science' is meaningless
>> bollocks
> 
> I absolutely agree, the English term "computer science" is an unfortunate
> choice of words which had the main purpose of sounding trendy in the 50s
> (much like "artificial intelligence", "operations research", "linear
> programming").
> 
> Most pure / theoretical computer science is actually _computing_ science,
> i.e. the study of computational processes and their properties, with
> little regard to whether computation on abstract structures is carried out
> by mind or machine.
> 
> Does an algorithm terminate?
> Which properties does a tree have?
> What is computable?
> 
> These are hardly computer-related topics and predate the first computers.
> 
> However, it must be noted that Von Neumann was likely familiar with the
> Turing machine as an abstraction and it influenced the Von Neumann design:
> maybe we needed a science of computation before we could build _practical_
> computing machines?

I think he exactly was. He's be a bit ignorant not to have been. Turing 
and Tommy flowers built the first computer. Turing was a mathematician, 
Flowers was an electronic engineer.

Both in their own way knew what was possible, and more importantly what 
was not.

The tragedy was that that work was classified for years and that all but 
two machines were  broken up.

Computer science was what the theoretical aspect of designing computers 
from scratch was called. But in practice it was electronic engineering. 
Once you know its a machine that does boolean shit, then its just a 
question of working out the basic gates you need and how to build them 
out of transistors and diodes (or originally vacuum tubes) and how to 
build basic elements like shift registers latches and adders and so on 
out of the gates.

Archtecture iswhat CS defined. Architecture is what engineers built.

> 
> On the other hand, the areas of distributed computing or databases or real
> time systems I'd clearly consider (theoretical) engineering, i.e. the
> study of man-made systems and their design.
> 
*shrug* there's a difference between as little theory as is necessary to 
get it working and as little practical application is possible to not 
sully the inner elegance of my algorithms..

ever hear  of the 7 layer model of network architecture? All very CS. 
All complete bollox.
TCP/IP took one look at it and threw it away. TCP was designed to work...


> You can find either at a CS conference.

Engineers are to busy to attend conferneces
-- 
I would rather have questions that cannot be answered...
...than to have answers that cannot be questioned

Richard Feynman


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#93878

FromLeroy H <lh@somewhere.net>
Date2026-10-16 15:07 +0000
Message-ID<18df0af89e578ec0$2720$2693458$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>
In reply to#93869
On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 15:21:21 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> 
> Computer science was what the theoretical aspect of designing computers 
> from scratch was called. But in practice it was electronic engineering. 
>

I would challenge your esteemed engineers, übermenschen all, to
build a TERNARY computer from scratch.

Binary is only one possibility for computing machines.

They'd need to bring in the scientists.

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#93953

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-16 21:26 -0400
Message-ID<mMacnbgnUMp_U0_3nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#93878
On 10/16/26 11:07, Leroy H wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 15:21:21 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>>
>> Computer science was what the theoretical aspect of designing computers
>> from scratch was called. But in practice it was electronic engineering.
>>
> 
> I would challenge your esteemed engineers, übermenschen all, to
> build a TERNARY computer from scratch.
> 
> Binary is only one possibility for computing machines.
> 
> They'd need to bring in the scientists.

   Nope. Not at all.

   We use binary because of the HARDWARE aspects, not
   anything 'theoretical'. Transistors are only efficient
   in either fully-on or fully-off conditions, otherwise
   they're power-sucking 'resistors'. Tubes/valves are
   not STABLE enough to work at intermediate ranges for
   numeric work. OK for yer Pat Boone recordings though.

   Future electronics, and 'quantum' is one of those,
   may be able to stably work with 'in-between' states.
   Deca-state logic would be really cool, but don't
   expect to SEE it. Nature doesn't always cooperate.

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#93954

FromLeroy H <lh@somewhere.net>
Date2026-10-17 01:55 +0000
Message-ID<18df2e5c0929a19c$1877$2483150$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>
In reply to#93953
On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 21:26:48 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>> 
>> I would challenge your esteemed engineers, übermenschen all, to
>> build a TERNARY computer from scratch.
>> 
> 
>    We use binary because of the HARDWARE aspects, not
>    anything 'theoretical'. 
>

The former Soviet Union produced a highly functional ternary computer:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternary_computer>

Supposedly, ternary has advantages over binary, but having
been schooled entirely in binary methodologies I cannot
comment much on this topic.

The wiki page gives a basic overview.

The original point, however, remains valid.  Contemporary
engineers would not know where to begin with ternary.
They'd need to call in the theoreticians.

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#93969

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-17 01:07 -0400
Message-ID<mMacnbQnUMoBn073nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#93954
On 10/16/26 21:55, Leroy H wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 21:26:48 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>>
>>> I would challenge your esteemed engineers, übermenschen all, to
>>> build a TERNARY computer from scratch.
>>>
>>
>>     We use binary because of the HARDWARE aspects, not
>>     anything 'theoretical'.
>>
> 
> The former Soviet Union produced a highly functional ternary computer:
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternary_computer>

   So where are they all now ???

   "Highly successful" - sounds like a considerable
   exaggeration.

   Yes, you can FAKE tri-state/tetra-state, MAYBE even
   deca-state .... but it's not going to be efficient
   or compact.

> Supposedly, ternary has advantages over binary, but having
> been schooled entirely in binary methodologies I cannot
> comment much on this topic.

   Well, in theory, more bits are better.

   But there do seem to be reasons we've been
   using binary for everything since forever
   and it's not some Vast Konspiracy.

> The wiki page gives a basic overview.
> 
> The original point, however, remains valid.  Contemporary
> engineers would not know where to begin with ternary.
> They'd need to call in the theoreticians.

   Nope.

   Find a new career.

   The boring old engineers can handle it all nicely.

   Then the AIs will steal their careers :-)

   Theorists like von Neumann and Turing DID serve
   a purpose at the dawn of computing - provided
   some sane direction, approaches. After that
   however, CS became less and less useful in
   the real world.

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#93979

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-17 09:28 +0100
Message-ID<11avbj8$59n$10@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93953
On 17/10/2026 02:26, c186282 wrote:
> We use binary because of the HARDWARE aspects, not
>    anything 'theoretical'. Transistors are only efficient
>    in either fully-on or fully-off conditions, otherwise
>    they're power-sucking 'resistors'. Tubes/valves are
>    not STABLE enough to work at intermediate ranges for
>    numeric work. OK for yer Pat Boone recordings though.
> 
>    Future electronics, and 'quantum' is one of those,
>    may be able to stably work with 'in-between' states.
>    Deca-state logic would be really cool, but don't
>    expect to SEE it. Nature doesn't always cooperate.

Largely true, And boolean logic is very easy to map into simple hardware.
Analogue computers exist of course and are very very useful in niche 
applications

-- 
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that 
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

    - Bertrand Russell

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#93863

FromTapiro Ubriaco <interwebs.dude@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-16 12:35 +0000
Message-ID<11at5mo$31lan$21@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93855
On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 13:03:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> When hiring, I had the option between science band maths graduates who
> had taught themselves computing and were humble and hard working and
> arrogant CS graduates who thought that anyone without a CS degree didn't
> understand computers and were not worth paying respect to.

As a side note, it's very likely that someone who's applying for a field 
they're not qualified for appears more humble.

You may find the economics graduates who do _not_ end crawling into 
computer stuff are not as humble and viceversa.

I also think that, generally, whoever opts for a "science" degree does not 
likely pride oneself in being "hard-working". 
Science as an intellectual pursuit was, and often still is, the province 
of noblemen and the wealthy for a reason.

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#93938

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-10-16 22:09 +0000
Message-ID<11au7a1$3m5co$10@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93863
On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 12:35:36 -0000 (UTC), Tapiro Ubriaco wrote:

> I also think that, generally, whoever opts for a "science" degree
> does not likely pride oneself in being "hard-working".

Larry Wall, legendary creator of Perl and patch, listed, among the
virtues of a good programmer, “laziness” and “hubris”.

I can certainly appreciate the “laziness” part. I appreciate it when I
look at somebody’s PHP code, where the same validation sequence has
been copied and pasted a dozen times for a dozen different input
fields, instead of being defined in a single function which is simply
called in those dozen places.

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#93888

FromRobert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net>
Date2026-10-16 16:37 +0000
Message-ID<slrn11d4klo.kts.spamtrap42@one.localnet>
In reply to#93841
On 2026-10-16, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> ...
>
> Its about as useless as expecting an ArtStudent™ to paint a room

Saw that happen:

During the early 1990s, the Pentium Pro processor was being
designed on the 1st floor of building JF1.  Some executive called
that building's interior the ugliest building in the company.

Over a weekend or holiday, some art students from Portland State
University were brought in to prettify it.  They used four or
five colors to paint the pillars.  Each pillar was one color.
The pattern of colors looked random unless you looked at just the
right angle and discovered that the colors were in diagonal
stripes.

The comments from those who worked there were amusing.  Someone
thought the colored pillars made the building look like the set
of the Barney show or maybe Sesame Street.  My wife happened to
have a white handkerchief with small colored hears in a
semi-random pattern.  On a small strip of paper, I wrote "You Are
Here" next to a red arrow and placed the paper somewhere on the
handkerchief hung outside my cubicle.  Much laughter was heard.

The art students were probably pleased with their work (and what
they were paid for doing it).  Somebody under the executive added
the beautification project as an accomplishment for the next
annual performance review.  The executive probably never noticed
it.  Those who worked in the building quit noticing the colors
after a few days.

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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#93917

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-16 19:51 +0000
Message-ID<njfdi7Fit4rU26@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93841
On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 11:04:19 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> CS graduates should never in my experience get let anywhere near
> software design and development.

At least in the US CS is sort of a blanket description of anything 
computer related:

https://rpi.app.box.com/s/340c6u82z66dx1k3ms627cp7kbtisqna

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#93883

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2026-10-16 11:44 -0400
Message-ID<11atgth$3e59h$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93793
Leroy H wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):

> It is amazing how knowledge of basic CS is absent in most
> programmers, both professional and amateur alike.  While
> "vibe coding" is all the rage, a silent disaster is also
> creeping.
>
> What GNU/Linux requires urgently is a Decimal Floating
> Point library that implements IEEE754-2008, but mention this
> to most programmers and one will receive only blank stares
> and gaping mouths.
>
> The only GNU/Linux project for IEEE754-2008 is closing
> its doors:
>
> <https://github.com/libdfp/libdfp/pull/238>

For C++, Boost.Decimal.

The Free42 calculator provides either binary or a decimal
implementation.

By the way, are you AI?

-- 
Impartial, adj.: Unable to perceive any promise of personal
advantage from espousing either side of a controversy or adopting
either of two conflicting opinions.
    q-- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"

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#93887

FromLeroy H <lh@somewhere.net>
Date2026-10-16 16:14 +0000
Message-ID<18df0ea174d534e0$1613$2650862$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>
In reply to#93883
On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 11:44:54 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> 
> For C++, Boost.Decimal.
> 

Some people don't use C++.  I would hope that most would not.

It is recommended, and even required in some countries, that all
financial software be written using decimal FP. 

But once libdfp drops out then GNU/Linux C programmers will be
stuck.



> 
> By the way, are you AI?
>

Human beings have always been AI in that they can only parrot
news reports and their old school textbooks.  This has been true
since pre-historic times.

Occasionally, however, some misaligned freak will rise above
it all and then we have a burst of progress.

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#93893

FromJan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
Date2026-10-16 17:10 +0000
Message-ID<11atlpr$3g55c$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93887
>Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net>wrote:
>>On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 11:44:54 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> 
>> For C++, Boost.Decimal.
>> 
>
>Some people don't use C++.  I would hope that most would not.
>
>It is recommended, and even required in some countries, that all
>financial software be written using decimal FP. 
>
>But once libdfp drops out then GNU/Linux C programmers will be
>stuck.
>

Well C++ is a crime against humanity
'operator overloading...' crap bloated crap.

But maybe you can call 'wcalc' from the C code,
it supports  stdin - stdout

raspberrypi: ~ # wcalc -EE
Enter an expression to evaluate, q to quit, or ? for help:
-> 1/pi
 = 0.318310
-> q

raspberrypi: ~ # echo "1/pi" | wcalc
 = 0.31831
raspberrypi: ~ # echo "1/pi" | wcalc -EE 
 = 0.318310

You can just do decimal in C
Use type double if you are worried about microcents.

I have written financial software in C.
What is the problem?

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#93900

FromLeroy H <lh@somewhere.net>
Date2026-10-16 17:56 +0000
Message-ID<18df1430054d96d0$1624$2650862$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>
In reply to#93893
On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 17:10:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

> 
> Well C++ is a crime against humanity
> 'operator overloading...' crap bloated crap.
> 

Who would ever disagree?

> 
> You can just do decimal in C
> Use type double if you are worried about microcents.
> 
> I have written financial software in C.
> What is the problem?
>

That depends on the scale.

For most situations, the currency amounts are enough that the
C double type, with 16 decimal digits of precision, can handle
the simple processing without error.

(C also has a 128-bit long double type but ordinary processors
have no hardware for this type.  On GNU/Linux the long double
is usually defined as 80-bits.)

But for large currency amounts and more complex processing,
16 decimal digits may not be enough.  That's why decimal floating
point is recommended or even required by law.

What is needed is HARDWARE decimal FP.  IBM has always had decimal
FP hardware in its mainframes and it also has decimal FP hardware
in its Power PC processors.  (Only large institutions could afford
such hardware.)

Intel/AMD will likely never have DFP hardware.  They will keep on
adding special AI hardware but never DFP hardware.

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#93901

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-10-16 18:10 +0000
Message-ID<2MtAS.183747$iS_f.119536@fx06.iad>
In reply to#93900
On 2026-10-16, Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 17:10:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>
>> I have written financial software in C.
>> What is the problem?
>
> That depends on the scale.
>
> For most situations, the currency amounts are enough that the
> C double type, with 16 decimal digits of precision, can handle
> the simple processing without error.

Now that 64-bit ints are available, you could use them
in many situations.

> (C also has a 128-bit long double type but ordinary processors
> have no hardware for this type.  On GNU/Linux the long double
> is usually defined as 80-bits.)
>
> But for large currency amounts and more complex processing,
> 16 decimal digits may not be enough.  That's why decimal floating
> point is recommended or even required by law.
>
> What is needed is HARDWARE decimal FP.  IBM has always had decimal
> FP hardware in its mainframes

FSVO "always".  But the original 360 had packed decimal, which
can work with up to 31 decimal digits.  I wrote a lot of business
software in those days; I can count the number of times I've used
floating point on the fingers of one hand.  For basic accounting,
integer pennies are enough.  Add a few guard digits if you must.
To quote the old commercial, it "takes the worry out of being close".

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#93904

FromLeroy H <lh@somewhere.net>
Date2026-10-16 18:32 +0000
Message-ID<18df162b38ea3edd$2281$2758864$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>
In reply to#93901
On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 18:10:06 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> 
> Now that 64-bit ints are available, you could use them
> in many situations.
> 

For adding or subtracting.

But finance calculations often use more complex processing.
Interest calculations need floating point and even transcendental
math functions.

This blogger actually proposes a single numeric type for
all digital computation, called Dec64:

<https://www.crockford.com/dec64.html>

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#93934

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-10-16 21:52 +0000
Message-ID<11au6ap$3m5co$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93901
On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 18:10:06 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> But the original 360 had packed decimal, which can work with up to
> 31 decimal digits. I wrote a lot of business software in those days;
> I can count the number of times I've used floating point on the
> fingers of one hand. For basic accounting, integer pennies are
> enough. Add a few guard digits if you must. To quote the old
> commercial, it "takes the worry out of being close".

Did you ever do calculations involving financial derivatives?

Even compound interest requires calculations involving logarithms and
exponentials.

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