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  Another ssh quirk... gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-05 12:35 +0000
    Re: Another ssh quirk... Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> - 2026-10-05 15:26 +0200
      Re: Another ssh quirk... gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-05 13:41 +0000
        Re: Another ssh quirk... John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-05 19:09 +0200
    Re: Another ssh quirk... "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:40 +0200
      Re: Another ssh quirk... gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-05 13:45 +0000
    Re: Another ssh quirk... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 20:31 +0100
      Re: Another ssh quirk... "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 21:46 +0200
    Re: Another ssh quirk... not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-10-06 09:21 +1000
      Re: Another ssh quirk... "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 01:55 +0200
        Re: Another ssh quirk... Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:07 +1000
          Re: Another ssh quirk... "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 11:17 +0200
            Re: Another ssh quirk... not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-10-07 07:55 +1000
              Re: Another ssh quirk... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 00:41 -0400
                Re: Another ssh quirk... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:47 +0100
                  Re: Another ssh quirk... "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:02 +0200
                    Re: Another ssh quirk... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 21:32 -0400
                      Re: Another ssh quirk... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 20:08 +0000
                  Re: Another ssh quirk... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-10-07 15:33 +0000
        Re: Another ssh quirk... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:51 +0100
      Re: Another ssh quirk... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:51 +0100
        Re: Another ssh quirk... "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 11:20 +0200
        Re: Another ssh quirk... not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-10-07 08:09 +1000
    Re: Another ssh quirk... Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-06 09:27 +0100
      Re: Another ssh quirk... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 11:08 +0100
        Re: Another ssh quirk... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-06 23:53 -0400
      Re: Another ssh quirk... gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-06 11:09 +0000
    Re: Another ssh quirk... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:08 +0100

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#93003

On 06/10/2026 00:21, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
>> Yes, I enjoy writing about these weird quirks that I find in the ssh tools
>> (including rsync).  I find it amusing that ssh (and friends) - a tool we
>> all use daily and rely on heavily - is still stuck, design-wise, in the
>> 1980s.
> 
> I just double-down on the 1980s mindset and use Telnet instead of
> SSH for talking to things like Raspberry Pis which are on my own
> LAN where nobody should be able to listen/connect anyway, unless
> they can just walk over and steal its SD card anyway. Makes
> everything much simpler, once you've installed the Telnet server.
> 
Once set up ssh is actually easier than telnet. I use it solely because 
its more supported

-- 
The New Left are the people they warned you about.

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#93010

On 2026-10-06 09:51, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 06/10/2026 00:21, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
>>> Yes, I enjoy writing about these weird quirks that I find in the ssh 
>>> tools
>>> (including rsync).  I find it amusing that ssh (and friends) - a tool we
>>> all use daily and rely on heavily - is still stuck, design-wise, in the
>>> 1980s.
>>
>> I just double-down on the 1980s mindset and use Telnet instead of
>> SSH for talking to things like Raspberry Pis which are on my own
>> LAN where nobody should be able to listen/connect anyway, unless
>> they can just walk over and steal its SD card anyway. Makes
>> everything much simpler, once you've installed the Telnet server.
>>
> Once set up ssh is actually easier than telnet. I use it solely because 
> its more supported
> 

True. But file transfer with ssh needs some cpu power; I realized that 
when I found it was slow with my old tablet.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#93067

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 06/10/2026 00:21, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
>>> Yes, I enjoy writing about these weird quirks that I find in the ssh tools
>>> (including rsync).  I find it amusing that ssh (and friends) - a tool we
>>> all use daily and rely on heavily - is still stuck, design-wise, in the
>>> 1980s.
>> 
>> I just double-down on the 1980s mindset and use Telnet instead of
>> SSH for talking to things like Raspberry Pis which are on my own
>> LAN where nobody should be able to listen/connect anyway, unless
>> they can just walk over and steal its SD card anyway. Makes
>> everything much simpler, once you've installed the Telnet server.
>> 
> Once set up ssh is actually easier than telnet.

Until one day it finds an excuse not to which Telnet wouldn't have
cared about. The sort of obscure error messages that SSH clients
spit out in those cases when they don't want to talk to a server
which doesn't tick all the right boxes are also brilliant examples
of software not being easy to use at all.

If you set up something to enter the password automatically, eg.
using Expect, then using Telnet's just the same as SSH when it's
all working right anyway.

> I use it solely because its more supported

By default, yes. But try connecting from a modern SSH client to a
RPi system that you haven't updated in 10 years and watch it shout
errors at you. _That's_ not supported, but it is with Telnet (and
friends). For me that's worth changing the default configuration,
but of course each to his own.

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#_ < |\| |< _#

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#93006

Kenny McCormack wrote:

> I find it amusing that ssh (and friends) - a tool we
> all use daily and rely on heavily - is still stuck, design-wise, in the
> 1980s.

I'm sure canonical will be along to re-write it in Rust before too long ...

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#93012

On 06/10/2026 09:27, Andy Burns wrote:
> Kenny McCormack wrote:
> 
>> I find it amusing that ssh (and friends) - a tool we
>> all use daily and rely on heavily - is still stuck, design-wise, in the
>> 1980s.
> 
> I'm sure canonical will be along to re-write it in Rust before too long ...

Reinventing the wheel amidst a fanfare of publicity is very common...
-- 
Climate is what you expect but weather is what you get.
Mark Twain

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#93070

On 10/6/26 06:08, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 06/10/2026 09:27, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Kenny McCormack wrote:
>>
>>> I find it amusing that ssh (and friends) - a tool we
>>> all use daily and rely on heavily - is still stuck, design-wise, in the
>>> 1980s.
>>
>> I'm sure canonical will be along to re-write it in Rust before too 
>> long ...
> 
> Reinventing the wheel amidst a fanfare of publicity is very common...

   Heh ... true !

   Pretty much all the "wheels" have been there
   for a LONG time. The only way to get publicity
   and money is to keep pointlessly re-inventing
   said wheels.

   Nothing high or holy about "Rust" - even LOOKS
   a lot like 'C' ... just shittier syntax.

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#93020

In article <nijpokFprcoU1@mid.individual.net>,
Andy Burns  <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>Kenny McCormack wrote:
>
>> I find it amusing that ssh (and friends) - a tool we
>> all use daily and rely on heavily - is still stuck, design-wise, in the
>> 1980s.
>
>I'm sure canonical will be along to re-write it in Rust before too long ...

Yeah, but with the same old design (and the same old design flaws) ...

-- 
The people who tell us to be proud of the white race are the ones who make
us the most embarrassed by it.

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#93109

On 2026-10-05, Kenny McCormack wrote:

> Yes, I enjoy writing about these weird quirks that I find in the ssh tools
> (including rsync).  I find it amusing that ssh (and friends) - a tool we
> all use daily and rely on heavily - is still stuck, design-wise, in the
> 1980s.
>
> So, I recently started running a new/different version of RaspiOS on one of
> my Pis.  Same hostname, same hardware, same Mac Address, thus same IP from
> the router, but new OS build.

Why not same ssh keys and settings too?

-- 
Nuno Silva

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