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Re: Another ssh quirk...

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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 06/10/2026 00:21, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
>>> Yes, I enjoy writing about these weird quirks that I find in the ssh tools
>>> (including rsync).  I find it amusing that ssh (and friends) - a tool we
>>> all use daily and rely on heavily - is still stuck, design-wise, in the
>>> 1980s.
>> 
>> I just double-down on the 1980s mindset and use Telnet instead of
>> SSH for talking to things like Raspberry Pis which are on my own
>> LAN where nobody should be able to listen/connect anyway, unless
>> they can just walk over and steal its SD card anyway. Makes
>> everything much simpler, once you've installed the Telnet server.
>> 
> Once set up ssh is actually easier than telnet.

Until one day it finds an excuse not to which Telnet wouldn't have
cared about. The sort of obscure error messages that SSH clients
spit out in those cases when they don't want to talk to a server
which doesn't tick all the right boxes are also brilliant examples
of software not being easy to use at all.

If you set up something to enter the password automatically, eg.
using Expect, then using Telnet's just the same as SSH when it's
all working right anyway.

> I use it solely because its more supported

By default, yes. But try connecting from a modern SSH client to a
RPi system that you haven't updated in 10 years and watch it shout
errors at you. _That's_ not supported, but it is with Telnet (and
friends). For me that's worth changing the default configuration,
but of course each to his own.

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Another ssh quirk... gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-05 12:35 +0000
  Re: Another ssh quirk... Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> - 2026-10-05 15:26 +0200
    Re: Another ssh quirk... gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-05 13:41 +0000
      Re: Another ssh quirk... John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-05 19:09 +0200
  Re: Another ssh quirk... "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:40 +0200
    Re: Another ssh quirk... gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-05 13:45 +0000
  Re: Another ssh quirk... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 20:31 +0100
    Re: Another ssh quirk... "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 21:46 +0200
  Re: Another ssh quirk... not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-10-06 09:21 +1000
    Re: Another ssh quirk... "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 01:55 +0200
      Re: Another ssh quirk... Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:07 +1000
        Re: Another ssh quirk... "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 11:17 +0200
          Re: Another ssh quirk... not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-10-07 07:55 +1000
            Re: Another ssh quirk... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 00:41 -0400
              Re: Another ssh quirk... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:47 +0100
                Re: Another ssh quirk... "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:02 +0200
                Re: Another ssh quirk... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 21:32 -0400
                Re: Another ssh quirk... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 20:08 +0000
                Re: Another ssh quirk... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-10-07 15:33 +0000
      Re: Another ssh quirk... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:51 +0100
    Re: Another ssh quirk... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:51 +0100
      Re: Another ssh quirk... "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 11:20 +0200
      Re: Another ssh quirk... not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-10-07 08:09 +1000
  Re: Another ssh quirk... Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-06 09:27 +0100
    Re: Another ssh quirk... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 11:08 +0100
      Re: Another ssh quirk... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-06 23:53 -0400
    Re: Another ssh quirk... gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-06 11:09 +0000
  Re: Another ssh quirk... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:08 +0100

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