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Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System

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  Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 01:42 -0400
    Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-24 10:33 +0100
      Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 11:53 +0100
        Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-09-25 03:43 +0000
      Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 00:08 -0400
        Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 09:31 +0100
          Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:01 +0000
            Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:04 +0100
            Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 21:39 -0400
          Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 21:32 -0400
            Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 07:59 +0100
              Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-27 03:16 -0400
                Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:38 +0100
                  Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:02 +0000
                    Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 08:58 +0100
                      Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:33 +0000
                        Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 03:25 -0400
                          Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 01:37 -0400
                            Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 01:39 -0400
                              Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 11:47 +0200
                                Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:10 +0100
                                  Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 19:57 +0200
                                    Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 03:13 +0000
                                      Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 02:07 -0400
                                        Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 08:47 +0100
                                          Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 04:04 -0400
                                        Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 20:15 +0000
                                          Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 23:53 -0400
                                            Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 04:29 +0000
                                              Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 02:03 -0400
                                                Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 19:10 +0000
                                                  Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 09:56 +0100
                                    Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:58 -0400
                                  Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:34 +0000
                                    Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:40 +0100
                                  Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 21:25 -0400
                                Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 21:18 -0400
                                  Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-03 05:00 +0000
                                    Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 02:13 -0400
                                    Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-03 09:17 +0000
                                      Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 11:51 +0100
                                      Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:22 +0200
                                        Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 23:28 -0400
                                          Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:57 +0200
                                            Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 18:55 +0000
                                              Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 09:32 +0100
                                                Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 19:31 +0000
                                            Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:31 -0400
                                              Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:42 +0200
                                      Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 20:05 +0000
                                  Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 08:46 +0100
                                    Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 03:59 -0400
                                      Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:37 +0200
                                    Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 20:07 +0000
                                      Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:00 +0200
                                        Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 18:23 +0000
                                  Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:20 +0200
                                  Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:36 +0200
                              Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-10-02 06:33 -0700
                                Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:52 -0400
                                  Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 20:12 +0000
                                    Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-10-03 17:23 -0700
                                      Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 03:53 +0000
                                        Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 00:04 -0400
                                          Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 04:19 +0000
                                        Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-10-04 13:46 -0700
                                          Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-05 02:52 +0000
                                            Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 03:49 -0400
                                              Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 19:26 +0000
                                                [OT] Ex-Nokia HMD feature phones (was: Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:22 +0100
                                                  Re: [OT] Ex-Nokia HMD feature phones (was: Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 18:21 +0000
                                              Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-05 23:20 +0000
                                                Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 01:56 +0000
                                                  Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 01:29 -0400
                                                    Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-10-08 14:22 +0000
                                                      Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-08 20:28 +0000
                                                      Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-09 02:34 -0400
                                                        Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-09 17:38 +0000
                                                  Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:23 +0100
                                                Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 01:10 -0400
                                            Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 17:28 +0100
                                              Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-08 04:06 -0400
                                                Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 09:45 +0100
                                                  Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-10-09 14:40 +0000
                                                    Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 00:50 -0400
                                      Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 03:36 -0400
                                    Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 23:47 -0400
                                      Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 04:34 +0000
                                        Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 02:14 -0400
                                          Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 19:06 +0000
                                            Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 01:35 +0100
                                            Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 09:47 +0100
                Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-09-27 06:53 -0700
        Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202609.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2026-09-26 17:05 +0200
          Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 20:00 +0000
    Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 11:43 +0100
      Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-09-25 03:50 +0000
        Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:11 +0100
      Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:28 +0200
      Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 01:54 -0400

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#92779

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-03 20:12 +0000
Message-ID<nid5u7Foo9pU8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#92715
On Sat, 3 Oct 2026 01:52:57 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Still looking to buy an actual 'smartphone', just in case. Expect it
>    to sit on a shelf 99.9% of the time. One of the medium-priced Samsung
>    'A' series,
>    A-37 is well reviewed, look to be what I need. THINK I'm gonna get it
>    thru "Consumer Cellular" - alt provider -
>    good prices and ASSUME you're older so you won't be using megatons of
>    data.

The Samsung A16 works fine for me. I think the latest is now the A17. I 
use Mint Mobile which is an inexpensive prepaid plan. T-Mobile bought them 
recently although they always used the T-Mobile network. It's 5 GB/mo for 
data but I've never come close to that. 

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#92782

FromLars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
Date2026-10-03 17:23 -0700
Message-ID<119s6a8$3fkuv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#92779
On 10/3/2026 13:12, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Oct 2026 01:52:57 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Still looking to buy an actual 'smartphone', just in case. Expect it
>>     to sit on a shelf 99.9% of the time. One of the medium-priced Samsung
>>     'A' series,
>>     A-37 is well reviewed, look to be what I need. THINK I'm gonna get it
>>     thru "Consumer Cellular" - alt provider -
>>     good prices and ASSUME you're older so you won't be using megatons of
>>     data.
> 
> The Samsung A16 works fine for me. I think the latest is now the A17. I
> use Mint Mobile which is an inexpensive prepaid plan. T-Mobile bought them
> recently although they always used the T-Mobile network. It's 5 GB/mo for
> data but I've never come close to that.

Now that both my wife and I have our iPhones on T-Mobile, I wonder what 
is the best cheap virtual carrier that does NOT use T-Mobile airwaves?
I like to have a spare Android phone to use when the main system is 
down. Although AT&T has the best coverage in town, we left them because 
of poor customer service, and independent of that, a couple of years 
ago, their network in our part of town was down for THREE DAYS.
-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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#92791

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-04 03:53 +0000
Message-ID<nie0tjFoo9pU10@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#92782
On Sat, 3 Oct 2026 17:23:34 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:

> Now that both my wife and I have our iPhones on T-Mobile, I wonder what
> is the best cheap virtual carrier that does NOT use T-Mobile airwaves?
> I like to have a spare Android phone to use when the main system is
> down. Although AT&T has the best coverage in town, we left them because
> of poor customer service, and independent of that, a couple of years
> ago, their network in our part of town was down for THREE DAYS.

I had TracFone for years but switched to Mint when I went to 4G. Since 
then Verizon has bought TracFone. Verizon seems to have a number of 
virtual plans but the cheapest I see is $20/mo. Mint is $15/mo with 6 GB 
of data. Not a huge difference. Back when I went with Mint Verizon didn't 
have any similar plans. Today I'd probably go with one of theirs since 
coverage is a little better here.

I'm not sure why Verizon and T-Mobile bought the virtual carriers and kept 
the plans rather than offering a similar deal to start with. 

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#92793

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-04 00:04 -0400
Message-ID<wrKcnQ-TqpnJTVz3nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#92791
On 10/3/26 23:53, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Oct 2026 17:23:34 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> 
>> Now that both my wife and I have our iPhones on T-Mobile, I wonder what
>> is the best cheap virtual carrier that does NOT use T-Mobile airwaves?
>> I like to have a spare Android phone to use when the main system is
>> down. Although AT&T has the best coverage in town, we left them because
>> of poor customer service, and independent of that, a couple of years
>> ago, their network in our part of town was down for THREE DAYS.
> 
> I had TracFone for years but switched to Mint when I went to 4G. Since
> then Verizon has bought TracFone. Verizon seems to have a number of
> virtual plans but the cheapest I see is $20/mo. Mint is $15/mo with 6 GB
> of data. Not a huge difference. Back when I went with Mint Verizon didn't
> have any similar plans. Today I'd probably go with one of theirs since
> coverage is a little better here.
> 
> I'm not sure why Verizon and T-Mobile bought the virtual carriers and kept
> the plans rather than offering a similar deal to start with.

  $$$

  I did have a TracPhone for awhile, but it was 2G.
  Convenient though, you'd just buy a card at the
  convenience store and enter the magic number.
  TRIED a TracPhone 'smart' phone - but could barely
  get reception even if I walked out into the yard.
  It's still in a little tin box somewhere ...

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#92794

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-04 04:19 +0000
Message-ID<nie2eqFoo9pU13@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#92793
On Sun, 4 Oct 2026 00:04:35 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>   I did have a TracPhone for awhile, but it was 2G.
>   Convenient though, you'd just buy a card at the convenience store and
>   enter the magic number.

iirc the magic number was more like 40 hex values. More fun than IPv6. 
TracFone was owned by América Móvil, so it was no surprise that customer 
service was south of the border. Remember Carlos Slim?

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#92872

FromLars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
Date2026-10-04 13:46 -0700
Message-ID<119udv6$8ubd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#92791
On 10/3/2026 20:53, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Oct 2026 17:23:34 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> 
>> Now that both my wife and I have our iPhones on T-Mobile, I wonder what
>> is the best cheap virtual carrier that does NOT use T-Mobile airwaves?
>> I like to have a spare Android phone to use when the main system is
>> down. Although AT&T has the best coverage in town, we left them because
>> of poor customer service, and independent of that, a couple of years
>> ago, their network in our part of town was down for THREE DAYS.
> 
> I had TracFone for years but switched to Mint when I went to 4G. Since
> then Verizon has bought TracFone. Verizon seems to have a number of
> virtual plans but the cheapest I see is $20/mo. Mint is $15/mo with 6 GB
> of data. Not a huge difference. Back when I went with Mint Verizon didn't
> have any similar plans. Today I'd probably go with one of theirs since
> coverage is a little better here.
> 
> I'm not sure why Verizon and T-Mobile bought the virtual carriers and kept
> the plans rather than offering a similar deal to start with.

Around here, only the homeless use TracFone. The phones are shit, the 
coverage is marginal and of course there is no service.
The phones are tied hard to TracFone and cannot be unlocked.

AFAICS, Mint is T-Mobile. Fourth-tier access priority, behind "5G 
Unlimited", "T-Mobile Basic 55+" and "Metro by T-Mobile" prepaid customers.

So who else OTHER than T-Mobile captives are in that discount space?
Is Consumer Cellular still AT&T?

-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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#92886

FromRobert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net>
Date2026-10-05 02:52 +0000
Message-ID<slrn11c647r.hk6.spamtrap42@one.localnet>
In reply to#92872
On 2026-10-04, Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> On 10/3/2026 20:53, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Oct 2026 17:23:34 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Now that both my wife and I have our iPhones on T-Mobile, I wonder what
>>> is the best cheap virtual carrier that does NOT use T-Mobile airwaves?
>>> I like to have a spare Android phone to use when the main system is
>>> down. Although AT&T has the best coverage in town, we left them because
>>> of poor customer service, and independent of that, a couple of years
>>> ago, their network in our part of town was down for THREE DAYS.
>> 
>> I had TracFone for years but switched to Mint when I went to 4G. Since
>> then Verizon has bought TracFone. Verizon seems to have a number of
>> virtual plans but the cheapest I see is $20/mo. Mint is $15/mo with 6 GB
>> of data. Not a huge difference. Back when I went with Mint Verizon didn't
>> have any similar plans. Today I'd probably go with one of theirs since
>> coverage is a little better here.
>> 
>> I'm not sure why Verizon and T-Mobile bought the virtual carriers and kept
>> the plans rather than offering a similar deal to start with.
>
> Around here, only the homeless use TracFone. The phones are shit, the 
> coverage is marginal and of course there is no service.
> The phones are tied hard to TracFone and cannot be unlocked.
>
> AFAICS, Mint is T-Mobile. Fourth-tier access priority, behind "5G 
> Unlimited", "T-Mobile Basic 55+" and "Metro by T-Mobile" prepaid customers.
>
> So who else OTHER than T-Mobile captives are in that discount space?
> Is Consumer Cellular still AT&T?

You're definitely right about TracFone customer service (and
technical support) being terrible.  However, it is possible to
buy an unlocked phone elsewhere, then buy a SIM from TracFone.
Last I checked, for the SIM, the customer gets to choose between
the three back-end networks.  However, with IIRC TracFone now
being owned by Verizon, that might change.

When I switched from TracFone-locked Alcatel flip phones to Schok
Classic Flip phones plus a TracFone SIM, one of the lines took 5
hours for "support" to get voice minutes, SMS/text, and data all
transferred correctly.  When one Schok phone broke, the TracFone
agent said I would have to buy a new SIM for the new phone and go
through the same process to move the number/service/account to
the new SIM.  Instead, I moved the old SIM to the new phone, and
everything worked perfectly.  Of course, I practiced ESD safety
when moving the SIM.

IIUC, Schok has basically quit selling their flip phone, so I'll
eventually need to switch to Alcatel, Nokia, or other unlocked
flip phone.  IIUC, I _should_ be able to simply move the SIMs to
the new phones, even with the phones being different.

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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#92906

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-05 03:49 -0400
Message-ID<QOKdnfaWqNgSy173nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#92886
On 10/4/26 22:52, Robert Riches wrote:
> On 2026-10-04, Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
>> On 10/3/2026 20:53, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sat, 3 Oct 2026 17:23:34 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now that both my wife and I have our iPhones on T-Mobile, I wonder what
>>>> is the best cheap virtual carrier that does NOT use T-Mobile airwaves?
>>>> I like to have a spare Android phone to use when the main system is
>>>> down. Although AT&T has the best coverage in town, we left them because
>>>> of poor customer service, and independent of that, a couple of years
>>>> ago, their network in our part of town was down for THREE DAYS.
>>>
>>> I had TracFone for years but switched to Mint when I went to 4G. Since
>>> then Verizon has bought TracFone. Verizon seems to have a number of
>>> virtual plans but the cheapest I see is $20/mo. Mint is $15/mo with 6 GB
>>> of data. Not a huge difference. Back when I went with Mint Verizon didn't
>>> have any similar plans. Today I'd probably go with one of theirs since
>>> coverage is a little better here.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure why Verizon and T-Mobile bought the virtual carriers and kept
>>> the plans rather than offering a similar deal to start with.
>>
>> Around here, only the homeless use TracFone. The phones are shit, the
>> coverage is marginal and of course there is no service.
>> The phones are tied hard to TracFone and cannot be unlocked.
>>
>> AFAICS, Mint is T-Mobile. Fourth-tier access priority, behind "5G
>> Unlimited", "T-Mobile Basic 55+" and "Metro by T-Mobile" prepaid customers.
>>
>> So who else OTHER than T-Mobile captives are in that discount space?
>> Is Consumer Cellular still AT&T?
> 
> You're definitely right about TracFone customer service (and
> technical support) being terrible.  However, it is possible to
> buy an unlocked phone elsewhere, then buy a SIM from TracFone.
> Last I checked, for the SIM, the customer gets to choose between
> the three back-end networks.  However, with IIRC TracFone now
> being owned by Verizon, that might change.
> 
> When I switched from TracFone-locked Alcatel flip phones to Schok
> Classic Flip phones plus a TracFone SIM, one of the lines took 5
> hours for "support" to get voice minutes, SMS/text, and data all
> transferred correctly.  When one Schok phone broke, the TracFone
> agent said I would have to buy a new SIM for the new phone and go
> through the same process to move the number/service/account to
> the new SIM.  Instead, I moved the old SIM to the new phone, and
> everything worked perfectly.  Of course, I practiced ESD safety
> when moving the SIM.
> 
> IIUC, Schok has basically quit selling their flip phone, so I'll
> eventually need to switch to Alcatel, Nokia, or other unlocked
> flip phone.  IIUC, I _should_ be able to simply move the SIMs to
> the new phones, even with the phones being different.

   Nokia still sells semi-decent flips - and they
   take a real SIM card you can move around. KEYS go
   a bit wonky after awhile though. Have one spare
   left. May buy one more ... DO like flips.

   There is no 'perfect' carrier. They all cut
   corners here and there.

   ATT, in the USA, still has the best overall
   coverage. Many of the others piggyback on
   the same antennas, but maybe at a lower data
   priority. Alas ATT support often sucks.

   So, well, add it all up and PICK YER POISON.

   Hmm ... does Musk have "StarPhone" yet ?

   I see :

   https://starlink.com/business/mobile
   https://elonbuzz.com/elon-musks-pi-phone-starlink-2025-finally-here/

   but not a ton of believable consumer reviews yet.

   Anyway, an old old-school guy. DON'T play games,
   NOT gonna be streaming 8K on a fuckin' little
   phone (what's the POINT other than ego ?). As
   such I can get by on rather LOW 'data' and be
   very very happy.

   StarLink-related MAY be The Future for quite
   awhile. Wires and relays and towers are now
   becoming Too Expensive. Elon has the alt. But
   I still want to see a lot more real customer
   reviews listing all the positives and negatives.

   Oh, ALL carriers - the ability to easily, smoothly,
   MIGRATE yer existing numbers is a HIGH priority.
   Most everything uses 2FA these days - GOTTA keep
   consistent contact numbers. This is one reason
   I went with the mentioned "phone-advanced" system.
   (note 'phone-advanced' does NOT seem to accept
   TEXTS in any fashion, even though it's a KIND
   of "cell")

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#92964

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-05 19:26 +0000
Message-ID<niic01Foo9pU40@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#92906
On Mon, 5 Oct 2026 03:49:30 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Nokia still sells semi-decent flips - and they take a real SIM card
>    you can move around. KEYS go a bit wonky after awhile though. Have
>    one spare left. May buy one more ... DO like flips.

In the US that must be NOS. HMD, who bought the rights back from Microsoft 
for the Nokia name but dropped out of the US market last year. I liked my 
Nokia 4.2 but went with Samsung when I couldn't find a Nokia. Amazon has a 
international candybar type that is GSM.

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#93093 — [OT] Ex-Nokia HMD feature phones (was: Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System)

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-07 10:22 +0100
Subject[OT] Ex-Nokia HMD feature phones (was: Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System)
Message-ID<11a5302$2msl7$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#92964
On 2026-10-05, rbowman wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Oct 2026 03:49:30 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>
>>    Nokia still sells semi-decent flips - and they take a real SIM card
>>    you can move around. KEYS go a bit wonky after awhile though. Have
>>    one spare left. May buy one more ... DO like flips.
>
> In the US that must be NOS. HMD, who bought the rights back from Microsoft 
> for the Nokia name but dropped out of the US market last year. I liked my 
> Nokia 4.2 but went with Samsung when I couldn't find a Nokia. Amazon has a 
> international candybar type that is GSM.

A couple years ago, reading through reviews, it seemed that HMD phones
were a bit worse than Nokia in the OS department, has that improved?

I don't mean stuff like Android, or even Symbian (would be nice to have
that segment back too, though), but e.g. Series 40.


-- 
Nuno Silva

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#93142 — Re: [OT] Ex-Nokia HMD feature phones (was: Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System)

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-07 18:21 +0000
SubjectRe: [OT] Ex-Nokia HMD feature phones (was: Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System)
Message-ID<ningsqFsfnjU9@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93093
On Wed, 07 Oct 2026 10:22:10 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:

> On 2026-10-05, rbowman wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 5 Oct 2026 03:49:30 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>>    Nokia still sells semi-decent flips - and they take a real SIM card
>>>    you can move around. KEYS go a bit wonky after awhile though. Have
>>>    one spare left. May buy one more ... DO like flips.
>>
>> In the US that must be NOS. HMD, who bought the rights back from
>> Microsoft for the Nokia name but dropped out of the US market last
>> year. I liked my Nokia 4.2 but went with Samsung when I couldn't find a
>> Nokia. Amazon has a international candybar type that is GSM.
> 
> A couple years ago, reading through reviews, it seemed that HMD phones
> were a bit worse than Nokia in the OS department, has that improved?
> 
> I don't mean stuff like Android, or even Symbian (would be nice to have
> that segment back too, though), but e.g. Series 40.

My Nokia had Android One. It worked and was pretty clean. My current 
Samsung has a lot of Samsung apps over and above the standard Android 
load. I use Samsung Music to play the mp3s I've loaded. There was also a 
Samsung app I loaded on the Nokia that transferred the apps on it to the 
new phone that was handy. Most of the others like Samsung Health are of no 
use to me. 

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#92978

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-10-05 23:20 +0000
Message-ID<ghWwS.8351$ITPb.6820@fx05.iad>
In reply to#92906
On 2026-10-05, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

> On 10/4/26 22:52, Robert Riches wrote:
>
>> IIUC, Schok has basically quit selling their flip phone, so I'll
>> eventually need to switch to Alcatel, Nokia, or other unlocked
>> flip phone.  IIUC, I _should_ be able to simply move the SIMs to
>> the new phones, even with the phones being different.
>
>    Nokia still sells semi-decent flips - and they
>    take a real SIM card you can move around. KEYS go
>    a bit wonky after awhile though. Have one spare
>    left. May buy one more ... DO like flips.

My latest flip phone is from TCL.  I didn't care whether my
carrier claimed to support it or not - I just moved my SIM
card over and it worked.  All I need is the ability to send
and receive calls and texts (although the calender is good
to have too), and it does that just fine.  It can even send
and receive pictures in text messages.  It's good enough for me.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#92987

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-06 01:56 +0000
Message-ID<nij2q5Foo9pU48@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#92978
On Mon, 05 Oct 2026 23:20:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> My latest flip phone is from TCL.  I didn't care whether my carrier
> claimed to support it or not - I just moved my SIM card over and it
> worked.  All I need is the ability to send and receive calls and texts
> (although the calender is good to have too), and it does that just fine.
> It can even send and receive pictures in text messages.  It's good
> enough for me.

TCL seems to be associated with Cricket although Amazon has unlocked flips 
that say than can work on Verizon/T-Mobile.  I have several apps like Seek 
(identify plants and animals), Zepp (Amazfit fitness watch), and 
Geocaching that I use much more than actual phone stuff. 

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#93076

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-07 01:29 -0400
Message-ID<XuucnWrcBadbRVj3nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#92987
On 10/5/26 21:56, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Oct 2026 23:20:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> My latest flip phone is from TCL.  I didn't care whether my carrier
>> claimed to support it or not - I just moved my SIM card over and it
>> worked.  All I need is the ability to send and receive calls and texts
>> (although the calender is good to have too), and it does that just fine.
>> It can even send and receive pictures in text messages.  It's good
>> enough for me.
> 
> TCL seems to be associated with Cricket although Amazon has unlocked flips
> that say than can work on Verizon/T-Mobile.  I have several apps like Seek
> (identify plants and animals), Zepp (Amazfit fitness watch), and
> Geocaching that I use much more than actual phone stuff.

   "Unlocked" is good ... and Amazon prices are
   pretty good. But getting any specific provider
   to link-in TO that phone might be rather complex.
   THEY want to sell you a phone, at double or
   triple price, and would rather you DON'T keep
   the good old number you NEED for 2FA and such.

   Hey, think, what if all yer 2FA with banks and
   govt and such suddenly didn't work ?

   Anyway, the micro-review, now TWELVE were able
   to dial in. ELEVEN were POLITICAL SURVEYS :-)
   But, still need that number as a 2nd 2FA contact.

   Can't even log in to my SSA/MediCare acct now,
   WAS easy just a couple years ago. May have to
   physically GO to the nearest (?) physical
   office and try to fix it. Should I bring my
   lawyer too ???

   Will they want two or three
   kinds of photo-ID ? I only have one and NO
   idea how/where to get more they'd like, DID
   find a very old official BCert copy in the
   back of my Mom's old file drawer. But where
   I was actually born was 200 miles from where
   I've lived since. Would I have to go 200
   miles to get a valid new copy ??? Not so
   good at my age. Likely three or four days
   in a motel or something too at Point Of Origin.
   They'll demand 'X' on the first visit, then
   'Y' on the next and 'Z' on the next.

   They WANT to DUMP you now, STEAL all your
   hard-paid money.

   Maybe time for big class-action lawsuits and
   injunctions ........

   But hey, UK is even *worse* now ... by the
   news a very clear campaign to FUCK everyone
   near/past pension age. Gotta pay-off the
   beloved 'immigrants' after all ......

   UK is going *down* - hard and SOON. The
   locals now don't DARE complain, don't
   DARE rock the boat. Terrorized/enslaved.

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#93180

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2026-10-08 14:22 +0000
Message-ID<11a88v7$3sq6e$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93076
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> On 10/5/26 21:56, rbowman wrote:
>> On Mon, 05 Oct 2026 23:20:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> 
>>> My latest flip phone is from TCL.  I didn't care whether my carrier 
>>> claimed to support it or not - I just moved my SIM card over and it 
>>> worked.  All I need is the ability to send and receive calls and 
>>> texts (although the calender is good to have too), and it does that 
>>> just fine.  It can even send and receive pictures in text messages.  
>>> It's good enough for me.
>> 
>> TCL seems to be associated with Cricket although Amazon has unlocked 
>> flips that say than can work on Verizon/T-Mobile.  I have several 
>> apps like Seek (identify plants and animals), Zepp (Amazfit fitness 
>> watch), and Geocaching that I use much more than actual phone stuff.
> 
>   "Unlocked" is good ...  and Amazon prices are pretty good.  But 
>   getting any specific provider to link-in TO that phone might be 
>   rather complex.  THEY want to sell you a phone, at double or triple 
>   price, and would rather you DON'T keep the good old number you NEED 
>   for 2FA and such.

"Always-wrong" wrong yet again with anchient hallucinated data (at 
least for the USA).

The providers very much *do* want to sell you a phone, but they can't 
legally deny you use of your unlocked phone.  The difficult part is 
often getting the phone droid (or shop droid if in a store) off their 
"sell new phone" script and onto the "need a sim card" script.  But 
that's just the marketing department being standard lying marketers.

They also have not been able to prevent you from keeping the old number 
since sometime circa 2002 or thereabouts.  Again, the "hard sell 
script" might be setup to PT Barnum the unwary into giving up the old 
number, but that has not been the actual reality for at least 
twenty-four or so years now.

The only reason one can't move "current phone" to "new carrier" is if 
"current phone" actually lacks the radios for the bands "new carrier" 
uses for their network.  And that is a physical hardware limitation of 
the particular model, not anything imposed by the carrier on the model.  
If the new carrier uses an 800Mhz band, and your phone hardware lacks 
an 800Mhz radio, it can't hear the towers and it can't talk to the 
towers.  Now, I would not put it past the marketing department to setup 
the droid's scripts to /imply/ that every old phone they see lacks the 
appropriate radio to PT Barnum up more sales, but if you have done a 
little bit of homework to check radio compatibility, that again is just 
getting the droid derailed and off onto the right script.

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#93199

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-08 20:28 +0000
Message-ID<niqcmpFp2dnU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93180
On Thu, 8 Oct 2026 14:22:31 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:

> The providers very much *do* want to sell you a phone, but they can't
> legally deny you use of your unlocked phone.  The difficult part is
> often getting the phone droid (or shop droid if in a store) off their
> "sell new phone" script and onto the "need a sim card" script.  But
> that's just the marketing department being standard lying marketers.

I was pleased when I went to the Verizon store to cancel my data only plan 
it took about 5 minutes with no attempt to sell me anything. 

I got the Nokia via Amazon but their price for the Samsung A16 was the 
same as BestBuy. BestBuy is next to the gym so I went for immediate 
gratification. 

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#93230

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-09 02:34 -0400
Message-ID<jjydnQzdHJF5F1X3nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#93180
On 10/8/26 10:22, Rich wrote:
> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>> On 10/5/26 21:56, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Mon, 05 Oct 2026 23:20:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> My latest flip phone is from TCL.  I didn't care whether my carrier
>>>> claimed to support it or not - I just moved my SIM card over and it
>>>> worked.  All I need is the ability to send and receive calls and
>>>> texts (although the calender is good to have too), and it does that
>>>> just fine.  It can even send and receive pictures in text messages.
>>>> It's good enough for me.
>>>
>>> TCL seems to be associated with Cricket although Amazon has unlocked
>>> flips that say than can work on Verizon/T-Mobile.  I have several
>>> apps like Seek (identify plants and animals), Zepp (Amazfit fitness
>>> watch), and Geocaching that I use much more than actual phone stuff.
>>
>>    "Unlocked" is good ...  and Amazon prices are pretty good.  But
>>    getting any specific provider to link-in TO that phone might be
>>    rather complex.  THEY want to sell you a phone, at double or triple
>>    price, and would rather you DON'T keep the good old number you NEED
>>    for 2FA and such.
> 
> "Always-wrong" wrong yet again with anchient hallucinated data (at
> least for the USA).

   Ah, Lord Superior-To-Everyone ........

   My flip uses "KaiOS" - kinda specific for ATT.
   Doubt it'd work right with a hostile carrier.

> The providers very much *do* want to sell you a phone, but they can't
> legally deny you use of your unlocked phone.
   Mine IS kinda 'locked'. I could sell them the
   phone number, but would surely have to buy a
   whole new device.

   As usual, the Devil is in the fine details. Yes,
   you CAN get there from here, but expect to spend
   a lot of $$$ and things will be fucked up for
   a long time too ....

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#93245

FromRobert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net>
Date2026-10-09 17:38 +0000
Message-ID<slrn11ci9js.s3l.spamtrap42@one.localnet>
In reply to#93230
On 2026-10-09, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> On 10/8/26 10:22, Rich wrote:
>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>> On 10/5/26 21:56, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 05 Oct 2026 23:20:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My latest flip phone is from TCL.  I didn't care whether my carrier
>>>>> claimed to support it or not - I just moved my SIM card over and it
>>>>> worked.  All I need is the ability to send and receive calls and
>>>>> texts (although the calender is good to have too), and it does that
>>>>> just fine.  It can even send and receive pictures in text messages.
>>>>> It's good enough for me.
>>>>
>>>> TCL seems to be associated with Cricket although Amazon has unlocked
>>>> flips that say than can work on Verizon/T-Mobile.  I have several
>>>> apps like Seek (identify plants and animals), Zepp (Amazfit fitness
>>>> watch), and Geocaching that I use much more than actual phone stuff.
>>>
>>>    "Unlocked" is good ...  and Amazon prices are pretty good.  But
>>>    getting any specific provider to link-in TO that phone might be
>>>    rather complex.  THEY want to sell you a phone, at double or triple
>>>    price, and would rather you DON'T keep the good old number you NEED
>>>    for 2FA and such.
>> 
>> "Always-wrong" wrong yet again with anchient hallucinated data (at
>> least for the USA).
>
>    Ah, Lord Superior-To-Everyone ........
>
>    My flip uses "KaiOS" - kinda specific for ATT.
>    Doubt it'd work right with a hostile carrier.

KaiOS is not specific to ATT.  It comes (or came) standard on the
Alcatel flip phones I used in years past.

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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#93094

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-07 10:23 +0100
Message-ID<11a532b$2msl7$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#92987
On 2026-10-06, rbowman wrote:

> On Mon, 05 Oct 2026 23:20:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> My latest flip phone is from TCL.  I didn't care whether my carrier
>> claimed to support it or not - I just moved my SIM card over and it
>> worked.  All I need is the ability to send and receive calls and texts
>> (although the calender is good to have too), and it does that just fine.
>> It can even send and receive pictures in text messages.  It's good
>> enough for me.
>
> TCL seems to be associated with Cricket although Amazon has unlocked flips 
> that say than can work on Verizon/T-Mobile.  I have several apps like Seek 
> (identify plants and animals), Zepp (Amazfit fitness watch), and 
> Geocaching that I use much more than actual phone stuff. 

Isn't TCL the new brand for what used to be Alcatel phones?

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#93075

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-07 01:10 -0400
Message-ID<XuucnWvcBafBSVj3nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#92978
On 10/5/26 19:20, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-10-05, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/4/26 22:52, Robert Riches wrote:
>>
>>> IIUC, Schok has basically quit selling their flip phone, so I'll
>>> eventually need to switch to Alcatel, Nokia, or other unlocked
>>> flip phone.  IIUC, I _should_ be able to simply move the SIMs to
>>> the new phones, even with the phones being different.
>>
>>     Nokia still sells semi-decent flips - and they
>>     take a real SIM card you can move around. KEYS go
>>     a bit wonky after awhile though. Have one spare
>>     left. May buy one more ... DO like flips.
> 
> My latest flip phone is from TCL.  I didn't care whether my
> carrier claimed to support it or not - I just moved my SIM
> card over and it worked.  All I need is the ability to send
> and receive calls and texts (although the calender is good
> to have too), and it does that just fine.  It can even send
> and receive pictures in text messages.  It's good enough for me.

   More and more seem to be using "E-Sims" these
   days, basically yer prime provider holding
   you hostage.

   For normal daily carry-around uses - voice
   and basic texts - a little flip does it just
   fine, in a small package, for cheap. I might
   buy a 'real' smartphone soon, but gonna KEEP
   my flip.

   The 'real' phone will just sit on a shelf
   99.99% of the time. Will find a timer thing
   to give it a little charge about once a week.

   What kinda scares me is the latter gens and
   their expensive "smart" devices ... seem to
   become their entire worlds - and the providers
   CHARGE BIG for that too. Whole idea, but the
   larger sociological impacts are looking kind
   of severe and getting worse fast with 'AI'.

   I do know how to hitch a horse to a basic plow
   to make survival food ... but how many others
   NOW do ? Ten or twenty years from now ???

   If the phone/AI goes all to shit for
   whatever reasons we're looking at at least
   a 90% die-off REALLY FAST. That might not be
   enough to 'carry on' and it's back to the
   darkest ages. Oh well, sacrifice a bunch
   of virgins and everything will be fine ....

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