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/dev/tcp

Started byEli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com>
First post2026-08-19 21:20 +0000
Last post2026-08-29 18:15 +0100
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  /dev/tcp Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-19 21:20 +0000
    Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 23:53 +0100
    Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-19 23:42 +0000
      Re: /dev/tcp Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-20 00:59 +0000
        Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-20 03:59 +0000
          Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 10:10 +0100
          Re: /dev/tcp Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-20 18:15 +0000
            Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-20 23:30 +0000
              Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 01:18 +0100
              Re: /dev/tcp Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-21 09:52 +0200
                Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-21 08:12 +0000
                  Re: /dev/tcp Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-21 11:16 +0200
                    Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-21 22:57 +0000
                      Re: /dev/tcp Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-22 06:17 +0200
                        Re: /dev/tcp David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net> - 2026-08-30 17:56 +0100
                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-21 21:50 -0400
                Re: /dev/tcp Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-08-24 17:42 +0300
                  Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-24 23:53 +0000
                  Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 02:27 -0400
              Re: /dev/tcp vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-23 00:56 +0000
                Re: /dev/tcp Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-23 04:01 +0000
                  Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-23 03:37 -0400
                    Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-23 13:50 +0200
                      Re: /dev/tcp vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-23 22:28 +0000
                        Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-24 09:35 +0200
                          Overwriting with random data (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:10 +0100
                            Re: Overwriting with random data "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-24 20:34 +0200
                              Re: Overwriting with random data Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 20:57 +0100
                                Re: Overwriting with random data "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-24 22:26 +0200
                                  Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 02:39 -0400
                                    Re: Overwriting with random data Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 08:45 +0100
                                      Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 21:39 -0400
                                        Re: Overwriting with random data Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-26 18:08 +0000
                                      Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:49 +0000
                                        Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:59 -0400
                                          Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:19 +0100
                                    Re: Overwriting with random data "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:36 +0200
                                      Re: Overwriting with random data Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 15:19 +0100
                                        Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 03:33 -0400
                                          Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 09:18 +0100
                                            Re: Overwriting with random data rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 17:34 +0000
                                              Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 01:52 -0400
                                                Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 12:11 +0100
                                                  Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 01:00 +0000
                                                  Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:16 -0400
                                                    Re: Overwriting with random data Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 08:32 +0100
                                                      Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 03:34 -0400
                                                        Re: Overwriting with random data Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-08-28 11:37 +0100
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:44 +0100
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-08-28 13:25 +0100
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 15:27 +0100
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 19:30 +0000
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 00:59 -0400
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 01:57 -0400
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:42 +0000
                                                        Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:33 +0100
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 19:50 +0000
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:11 +0100
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-29 05:25 +0000
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 02:12 -0400
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:15 +0100
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 21:56 -0400
                                                    Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:29 +0100
                                                      Re: Overwriting with random data Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-08-28 13:43 +0100
                                                      Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 20:15 +0000
                                                        Re: Overwriting with random data Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-28 21:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 02:09 -0400
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-08-29 08:59 +0100
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 09:25 +0000
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-08-29 11:19 +0100
                                                                Re: Overwriting with random data rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:45 +0000
                                                                Re: Overwriting with random data Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:38 +0000
                                                                Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-09-02 19:33 +0000
                                                                  Re: Overwriting with random data Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-02 20:21 +0000
                                                                    Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-02 22:22 -0400
                                                                      Re: Overwriting with random data Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-03 02:53 +0000
                                                                        Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-02 23:28 -0400
                                                                      Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:51 +0100
                                                                  Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-02 23:09 -0400
                                                                    Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:52 +0100
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-29 15:10 +0000
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-08-30 08:58 +0100
                                                                Re: Overwriting with random data Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-30 23:45 +0000
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 21:47 -0400
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 13:56 +0100
                                                          Re: Overwriting with random data Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-29 14:17 +0000
                                                            Re: Overwriting with random data Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-29 16:02 +0000
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:12 +0200
                                                                Re: Overwriting with random data Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-29 21:04 +0000
                                                              Re: Overwriting with random data Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-05 09:32 +0000
                                                                Re: Overwriting with random data Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-05 13:49 +0100
                                                                  Re: Overwriting with random data Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-09-20 15:54 +0200
                                          Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:58 +0000
                                            Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:23 +0100
                                      Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:53 +0000
                                    Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:12 +0100
                                      Re: Overwriting with random data c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 00:09 -0400
                                        Re: Overwriting with random data The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 08:52 +0100
                                          Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 01:02 +0000
                                    Re: Overwriting with random data Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:48 +0000
                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 00:37 -0400
                      Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-24 00:31 -0400
                        Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-24 09:45 +0200
                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 12:52 +0100
                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 12:50 +0100
    Re: /dev/tcp Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-20 13:50 +0000
      Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-20 13:02 -0400
        Re: /dev/tcp Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:26 +0000
          Re: /dev/tcp Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-29 13:48 +0000
            Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:44 +0000
              Re: /dev/tcp Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-29 23:05 +0000
                Re: /dev/tcp vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-30 00:58 +0000
                  Re: /dev/tcp Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-30 04:12 +0000
                  Re: /dev/tcp Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-30 09:25 +0000
                    Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 11:00 +0100
                    Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-30 23:54 +0000
                    Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 09:34 +0100
                      Re: /dev/tcp Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-05 09:08 +0000
                        Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-05 10:25 +0100
                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-05 19:19 +0100
                            Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-05 22:38 +0000
                              Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-05 21:40 -0400
                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-06 09:16 +0100
                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-05 21:38 -0400
                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-06 09:19 +0100
                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-06 18:54 +0000
                                  Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-06 23:27 -0400
                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-07 11:54 +0100
                                Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-07 03:52 +0000
                                  Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-07 00:12 -0400
                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-07 12:00 +0100
                                      Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-07 19:34 +0000
                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-07 22:23 +0100
                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-08 05:45 +0000
                                        Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-07 22:24 +0100
                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-08 05:48 +0000
                                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-08 01:52 -0400
                                              Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-08 08:46 +0100
                                                [OT] /dev/economy (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-08 10:28 +0100
                                                  Re: [OT] /dev/economy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-08 13:43 +0100
                                                  Re: [OT] /dev/economy (was: Re: /dev/tcp) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-08 18:32 +0000
                                                    Re: [OT] /dev/economy (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-09-08 20:38 +0000
                                                      Re: [OT] /dev/economy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-09 00:48 +0100
                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-08 18:41 +0000
                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-09 00:52 +0100
                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-09 01:34 +0000
                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-09 09:28 +0100
                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-09 09:26 +0100
                                                      Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-09 18:22 +0000
                                                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 23:37 -0400
                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-10 04:46 +0000
                                                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-10 02:19 -0400
                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-10 18:25 +0000
                                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-11 03:09 -0400
                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 10:20 +0100
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 19:25 +0000
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:36 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 23:05 -0400
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-13 07:14 +0000
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 03:49 -0400
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-13 21:51 +0000
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 20:59 -0400
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-14 04:33 +0000
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-14 01:26 -0400
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 10:49 +0100
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-14 17:46 +0000
                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 19:07 +0100
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 00:33 +0000
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 07:50 +0100
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:56 +0100
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-11 23:31 -0400
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:43 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-12 14:05 +0200
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 17:40 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-12 19:29 +0000
                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 19:21 +0000
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 02:37 -0400
                                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 11:31 +0100
                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-10 18:38 +0000
                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 00:26 +0100
                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 04:10 +0000
                                                  Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 01:00 -0400
                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 00:55 -0400
                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-08 09:32 +0100
                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-08 18:44 +0000
                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-08 21:05 +0100
                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-09 01:35 +0000
                                                      Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 03:47 -0400
                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-09 18:18 +0000
                                                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 23:22 -0400
                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-10 04:44 +0000
                                                              Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-10 02:13 -0400
                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 11:26 +0100
                                                            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-10 19:07 +0200
                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-10 18:35 +0000
                                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-11 03:24 -0400
                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 10:27 +0100
                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 19:07 +0000
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 02:36 -0400
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:26 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 23:01 -0400
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:52 +0100
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:23 +0100
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-12 19:22 +0000
                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 19:37 +0100
                                                                Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-10 20:58 +0200
                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 00:25 +0100
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-11 11:32 +0200
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 10:51 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-11 12:03 +0200
                                                                          [OT] Middle East (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 00:43 +0100
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 02:09 -0400
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:26 +0100
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 11:45 +0100
                                                                                [OT] Middle East (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:56 +0100
                                                                                  Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:37 +0100
                                                                                    Re: [OT] Middle East rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-13 19:33 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 21:01 +0100
                                                                                      Re: [OT] Middle East "Rinaldi J. Montessi" <rinaldij@alien.free> - 2026-09-13 17:30 -0500
                                                                                        Re: [OT] Middle East c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 22:05 -0400
                                                                                          Re: [OT] Middle East rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-14 03:19 +0000
                                                                                            Re: [OT] Middle East c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 23:35 -0400
                                                                                            Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 10:52 +0100
                                                                                        Re: [OT] Middle East rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-14 02:37 +0000
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:47 +0100
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-12 14:09 +0200
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 17:41 +0100
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-12 14:07 +0200
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 17:45 +0100
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:13 +0100
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-12 19:05 +0000
                                                                  [OT] Middle East (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:01 +0100
                                                                    Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:11 +0100
                                                                      Re: [OT] Middle East Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:40 +0100
                                                                        Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:58 +0100
                                                                    Re: [OT] Middle East "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-13 14:08 +0200
                                                                      Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 21:01 +0100
                                                                    Re: [OT] Middle East c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 20:48 -0400
                                                                      Re: [OT] Middle East Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 10:45 +0100
                                                                      Re: [OT] Middle East The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 10:59 +0100
                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 04:12 +0000
                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 10:16 +0100
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 19:13 +0000
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:27 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-12 19:42 +0000
                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 00:22 -0400
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-13 07:51 +0100
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-13 07:02 +0000
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:31 +0100
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-13 09:45 +0100
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:21 +0100
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 03:02 -0400
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-13 08:39 +0100
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 03:50 -0400
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:13 +0100
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:51 +0100
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:44 +0100
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-13 21:39 +0000
                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:31 +0100
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 19:32 -0400
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 10:54 +0100
                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-14 09:20 +0100
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 11:06 +0100
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-14 19:56 +0100
                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 20:07 +0100
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-14 23:01 +0100
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 00:30 +0000
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 07:42 +0100
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 09:26 +0200
                                                                                              [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 10:18 +0100
                                                                                                Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 20:24 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:51 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 00:56 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:25 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:13 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:09 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 00:52 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:26 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:09 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:17 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: [OT] "Democracy" Exports of the United States The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:24 +0100
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 16:34 +0100
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 18:27 +0000
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 18:21 +0000
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 20:32 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 02:17 +0000
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 18:30 +0100
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 21:35 +0100
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:59 +0100
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-16 08:20 +0100
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:33 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 18:16 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 17:50 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 19:55 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 01:10 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 02:30 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 23:19 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:44 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 20:19 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-17 23:27 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 02:54 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-18 01:14 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:29 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-18 08:29 -0600
                                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:27 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 20:07 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 11:24 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-19 10:53 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 13:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-19 19:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:29 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-19 22:01 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 23:41 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:34 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 14:07 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 17:40 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 21:03 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 13:21 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 13:18 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 13:16 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:13 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:38 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:49 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-21 19:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:31 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 04:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:55 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:51 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 13:13 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:22 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:05 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:46 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:31 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:16 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:48 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:11 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:52 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 22:16 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:12 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-17 07:16 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 06:37 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 13:43 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 13:32 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-17 21:51 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 22:15 +0100
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:22 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:25 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:35 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 22:06 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 03:23 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-18 01:24 -0400
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 00:58 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:55 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:28 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 22:19 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-17 21:58 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 22:25 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 00:57 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 03:02 +0000
                                                                                                        [OT] Washington Treaty of 1949 (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 10:59 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 02:58 +0000
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 10:02 +0100
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 18:18 +0000
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-15 18:49 +0000
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 21:21 +0200
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:53 +0100
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 02:34 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-16 04:31 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 06:36 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-16 08:30 +0100
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 02:29 +0000
                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-14 17:43 +0000
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 19:05 +0100
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-14 19:50 +0100
                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 20:00 +0100
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-09-14 23:05 +0100
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 00:18 +0000
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-15 01:52 -0400
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 07:48 +0100
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 17:30 +0000
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:43 +0100
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 00:37 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 06:33 +0000
                                                                                                    [OT] /dev/middle-east (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:37 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] /dev/middle-east The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:45 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:26 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:38 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:33 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:54 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 13:58 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 23:25 -0400
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-15 18:49 +0000
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 07:45 +0100
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-14 21:03 -0400
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 07:58 +0100
                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-14 23:56 +0000
                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 02:00 +0100
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-15 02:14 -0400
                                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-14 20:59 -0400
                                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 07:56 +0100
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 17:48 +0000
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:43 +0100
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 01:56 +0000
                                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 21:28 +0200
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:04 +0100
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-15 23:32 +0000
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 00:58 +0100
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 01:33 +0000
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:23 +0100
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 09:01 +0200
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:29 +0100
                                                                                          Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 01:20 +0000
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 09:03 +0200
                                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:21 +0100
                                                                                              Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:43 +0000
                                                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:38 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-17 17:44 +0000
                                                                                            [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:31 +0100
                                                                                              Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 20:35 +0200
                                                                                                Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 02:24 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:09 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 10:21 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:53 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:31 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:20 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 21:58 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 02:48 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:42 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 19:30 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:18 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 21:57 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 02:41 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:33 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 19:52 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:30 +0100
                                                                                                Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:26 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 11:47 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 13:52 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:16 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 21:54 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 02:45 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: [OT] Are Ceuta and Melilla actually part of the Schengen Area? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:37 +0100
                                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 09:03 +0100
                                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-11 23:07 -0400
                                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:40 +0100
                                                                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 23:06 -0400
                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-09 09:29 +0100
                                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-09 18:20 +0000
                                                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 23:26 -0400
                                                            Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 11:29 +0100
                                                              Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-11 00:58 -0400
                                                                Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 10:19 +0100
                                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 11:27 +0100
                                                  Re: /dev/tcp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-09 04:25 +0000
                                                Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 00:43 -0400
                                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-09 09:31 +0100
                                                    Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-09 23:12 -0400
                                                      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 11:32 +0100
                                          Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-08 09:31 +0100
                                      Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-07 22:20 -0400
                                        Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-08 05:05 +0000
                                          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-08 01:51 -0400
                                        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-08 09:34 +0100
                                  Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-07 11:59 +0100
                                    Re: /dev/tcp rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-07 19:18 +0000
                        Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-05 21:35 -0400
                  Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:06 +0100
        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:54 +0100
          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-21 22:57 -0400
            Re: /dev/tcp "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-22 21:47 +0200
              The hammer is best (Was: /dev/tcp) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-08-22 23:50 +0000
                Re: The hammer is best (Was: /dev/tcp) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-23 04:28 -0400
                Re: The hammer is best Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 10:14 +0100
                  Re: The hammer is best "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-23 13:55 +0200
                    Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 13:16 +0100
                      Re: The hammer is best Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-23 21:20 +0200
                        Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-24 02:18 -0400
                        Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:26 +0100
                          Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 02:06 -0400
                            Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:18 +0100
                              Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 00:51 -0400
                      Re: The hammer is best Joed Oakes <lost@noway.home.invalid> - 2026-08-23 19:42 -0400
                        Re: The hammer is best Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-23 23:56 +0000
                          Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-24 02:25 -0400
                        Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 01:14 +0000
                        Re: The hammer is best "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-24 09:50 +0200
                          Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 00:56 -0400
                      Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-24 00:53 -0400
                        Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 06:42 +0000
                          Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-24 23:34 -0400
                            Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 04:08 +0000
                              Re: The hammer is best "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:29 +0200
                                Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:52 +0000
                                  Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:19 -0400
                                    Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 09:29 +0100
                                      Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 17:03 +0000
                                        Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 21:31 +0100
                                Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 22:18 -0400
                        Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:28 +0100
                          Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 02:07 -0400
                            Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 06:39 +0000
                              Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:23 +0100
                                Re: The hammer is best Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-25 18:26 +0000
                                  Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 20:05 +0100
                                    Re: The hammer is best "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 21:43 +0200
                                      Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 08:35 +0100
                                    Re: The hammer is best Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-25 20:21 +0000
                                      Re: The hammer is best "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 23:14 +0200
                                Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:08 +0000
                                  Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:38 -0400
                                    Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 10:22 +0100
                                      Re: The hammer is best rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 17:26 +0000
                                      Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 00:00 -0400
                                        Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:44 -0400
                                Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 01:49 -0400
                            Re: The hammer is best The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:20 +0100
                              Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 01:23 -0400
                  Re: The hammer is best c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-23 22:16 -0400
        Re: /dev/tcp Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:41 +0100
          Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-21 22:58 +0000
          Re: /dev/tcp c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-21 22:28 -0400
            ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-24 13:56 +0100
              Bash vs. ksh - Does it matter? And the 'vi' mode thing... (Was: ksh (was: /dev/tcp)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-08-24 14:57 +0000
                Re: Bash vs. ksh - Does it matter? And the 'vi' mode thing... (Was: ksh Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-30 13:26 +0100
                  Re: Bash vs. ksh - Does it matter? And the 'vi' mode thing... (Was: ksh Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-30 23:49 +0000
                  Re: Bash vs. ksh - Does it matter? And the 'vi' mode thing... (Was: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 01:35 -0400
              Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-24 21:08 +0000
                Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-08-24 21:28 +0000
                  Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-29 13:29 +0000
                    Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:41 +0000
                      Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-31 13:43 +0100
                Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 01:11 +0000
                Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-25 13:25 +0100
                  Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-25 21:58 +0000
                    Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-26 13:34 +0100
                      Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-27 02:23 +0000
                        Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:40 -0400
                      Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 01:40 -0400
                  Re: ksh (was: /dev/tcp) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-29 13:40 +0000
              Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 02:25 -0400
                Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 06:52 +0000
                  Re: ksh The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:27 +0100
                    Re: ksh Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-25 18:26 +0000
                      Re: ksh Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-25 22:03 +0000
                      Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:04 -0400
                        Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:00 +0000
                          Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:17 -0400
                            Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 15:22 +0000
                              Re: ksh The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 17:55 +0100
                                Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 23:14 -0400
                                  Re: ksh The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:48 +0100
                              Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:43 -0400
                                Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 04:17 +0000
                                  Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 03:18 -0400
                                    Re: ksh Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-28 15:54 +0000
                                    Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 20:40 +0000
                                      Re: ksh The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:14 +0100
                                        Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 21:12 +0000
                    Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 02:35 -0400
                      Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:17 +0000
                Re: ksh Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-08-25 09:56 +0200
                  Re: ksh "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:24 +0200
                    Re: ksh Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-25 20:36 +0200
                      Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 04:23 +0000
                        Re: ksh "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-26 10:04 +0200
                          Re: ksh Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 10:03 +0100
                    Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 21:50 -0400
                    Re: ksh Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-29 13:38 +0000
                      Re: ksh Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:42 +0000
                      Re: ksh "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 14:26 +0200
                  Re: ksh The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:27 +0100
                    Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 02:43 -0400
                  Re: ksh Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-25 22:01 +0000
                    Re: ksh "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-26 01:32 +0200
                  Re: ksh c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 21:46 -0400
                    Re: ksh rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 04:25 +0000
      Re: /dev/tcp Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-20 18:22 +0000
        Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:57 +0100
    Re: /dev/tcp Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-23 06:37 -0700
      Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 14:49 +0100
      Re: /dev/tcp The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 16:13 +0100
      Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-23 22:31 +0000
        Re: /dev/tcp Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 19:08 +0100
          Re: /dev/tcp David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net> - 2026-08-29 00:52 +0100
            Re: /dev/tcp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 04:14 +0000
              Re: /dev/tcp David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net> - 2026-08-29 19:06 +0100
            [OT] Weather Underground (was: Re: /dev/tcp) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 08:58 +0100
              Re: [OT] Weather Underground David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net> - 2026-08-29 18:15 +0100

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#91604

FromPancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com>
Date2026-09-17 07:16 +0100
Message-ID<118g0k1$192j$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91563
On 9/16/26 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 16/09/2026 08:20, Pancho wrote:
>> The USA has attacked many countries, a quick google gives that the USA 
>> has attacked 10 countries the century. I don't know why you tell me 
>> stuff I know, but ignore USA aggression (NATO is dominated by the USA).
> 
> No, it isn't. Donald Trump has withdrawn his support and not one NATO 
> country has stepped up to support him in the Gulf
> 
> Restructuring NATO against an unreliable, deceitful ally turned enemy is 
> what is happening now.
> 
> Donald Trump shrieked that NATO must do its fair share.,
> 
> Now we/they are, and the net result is that the USA has lost nearly all 
> its influence.,
> 
> Eben a child of 3 could have worked that out. Just not Trump.
> 
The USA has funded 60% of NATO.

The point is not what is happening now, but what NATO was, if it was 
reasonable for Russia to view NATO expansion as a threat. Reasonable to 
view NATO as an extension of USA power.

When Russia said it was threatened by NATO, the MSM response was that 
NATO is purely defensive. This is of course silly. NATO has been used in 
aggressive actions, Yugoslavia, Libya, etc. Donald Trump himself 
believed NATO countries should aid him in a war of aggression in Iran. 
The fact that Trump has gone off the deep end and the cost of supporting 
him is now too expensive does not conceal that he exposed the western 
fictions. Fictions about a defensive alliance, rule based order, etc. As 
Mark Carney admitted, the traditional "rules-based order" was an 
illusion or partial fiction where powerful nations—particularly the 
United States—exempted themselves when convenient.

So in short it was reasonable for Russia to be concerned about NATO in 
Ukraine. Reasonable to believe that the US would use NATO as an 
extension to its power to exert economic and political dominance.

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#91610

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-17 06:37 +0000
Message-ID<nh1g5rF83ghU38@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91604
On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 07:16:33 +0100, Pancho wrote:

> So in short it was reasonable for Russia to be concerned about NATO in
> Ukraine. Reasonable to believe that the US would use NATO as an
> extension to its power to exert economic and political dominance.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/17/missile-defence-shield-
barack-obama

That was a Bush scheme that Obama inherited. 'We're going to put a missile 
base in Poland to protect Europe from Iran." For some strange reason 
Russia cried 'Bullshit!".

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#91639

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 13:43 +0100
Message-ID<118gn8o$a423$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91610
On 17/09/2026 07:37, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 07:16:33 +0100, Pancho wrote:
> 
>> So in short it was reasonable for Russia to be concerned about NATO in
>> Ukraine. Reasonable to believe that the US would use NATO as an
>> extension to its power to exert economic and political dominance.
> 
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/17/missile-defence-shield-
> barack-obama
> 
> That was a Bush scheme that Obama inherited. 'We're going to put a missile
> base in Poland to protect Europe from Iran." For some strange reason
> Russia cried 'Bullshit!".
> 
I see you have not bothered to look at a map.

Of all the NATO countries, Poland is the closest to Iran. Of nations 
that are stable and westernized.

The SE eastern Balkan nations are not a place to store weapons. Germany 
is politically pacifist.

Turkey of course is closer but its been a bit questionable (and Islamic) 
  since forever.

Poland was the obvious place.

Putin saying that NATO wanted Russia as is as stupid as saying that the 
UK wanted Southern Ireland.

What would we do with it?? All we actually wanted was oil gas grain and 
fertilizer.

And we didn't care who ran it, or what they did inside its borders.

As long as it didn't start destabilizing other countries. Like Northern 
Ireland or Ukraine,.

-- 
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the 
other is to refuse to believe what is true.”

—Soren Kierkegaard

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#91638

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 13:32 +0100
Message-ID<118gmks$a423$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91604
On 17/09/2026 07:16, Pancho wrote:
> So in short it was reasonable for Russia to be concerned about NATO in 
> Ukraine. Reasonable to believe that the US would use NATO as an 
> extension to its power to exert economic and political dominance.

If it was, then he did exactly the wrong thing, since NATO now has two 
more members and a huge amount more funding from Europe, due to his 
activities in Ukraine.

In short his propaganda lie has become true.

If he is a clever and reasonable man, why did he do that?

Of course the USA never gave two fucks about Ukraine. And in terms of 
its political and economic dominance, Donald has completely destroyed that.

All he understands is how to puff out his enormous gut and lie 
convincingly to his fellow stupid Americans. Who just love being told 
how great they are, even if the price of gas has doubled, they have made 
utter idiots of themselves over Iran  and they get jeered at every time 
they step off  a plane anywhere else in the world.

Even Canada is sick of them.

Europe has been doing war, ever since the end of the last ice age. We 
are, if we have to be, very good at it, And we take the attitude that it 
is not a spectacle of shock and awe, to impress the natives, any more, 
but a dirty little job, like clearing a blocked sewer, that someone has 
to do.

We have taught Ukraine how to do it, WE have sold them what weapons we 
had that would be useful in it, and we have marvelled how good they are 
at it, in particular the way they force-multiplied the number of 
personnel,  by giving then unmanned weapons instead of tanks, and taught 
them the real lessons of WWII which is not about 'how the Americans won 
the war for the stupid Brits' 'with god (and John Wayne) on their side' 
and 'better tanks and aeroplanes', but rather how the actual war was 
slow,  boring, steady process of probing the enemies weaknesses, like 
their Enigma machines,  and their idiot populist leaders, developing key 
technologies (mostly in the UK). and using every man woman and child to 
their utmost to fight a professional integrated war against the supply 
lines, the factories and and the massed ranks using smarter technology, 
smarter intelligence and smarter  strategies. While maintaining our own 
supply lines to a hinterland and Empire that supported us, if not with 
direct help, with the goods necessary to feed the war machine.

If you related that to Trump, he wouldn't understand it, let alone 
believe it.

His generals would, But they have all been fired, or resigned.

Which is why Europe has staggered in disbelief, and finally realised 
that Trump has no grand plan, no cunning, stratagem, and is about as 
much use as a chocolate teapot.

And also that Putin is no master chess player either. Not when it comes 
to actual open hot war, rather than the cold war of destroying his 
'enemies' from within.

He assumed that more tanks and more men and a West that had always let 
him get away with it and a fully paid up asset in the White House would 
ensure a walkover in days.

You wont find anything that is key or significant or strategic in the 
media,. All they want is glorious battles lost and call of duty played 
with real guns

Wake up. War is not what you think it is. And its not what Putin or 
Trump think it is either.

No one in NATO gave a tuppeny fuck about Russia *as long as it stayed in 
Russia*. It was simply that traditionally it had never been content with 
that.

As it turns out, not spending more money on useless American Hi Tech 
weaponry and cannon fodder was actually serendipitous: we have money to 
spare for what we actually need. Highly advanced but cheap unmanned 
weapons, and a strategy to use them.

The game is now to subdue Russia and Iran, not by sending troops, but 
working with our actual allies in Europe, Canada, SE Asia and 
Australasia and the Middle East, to work out how to counter the 
asymmetric threats and build a war machine that will dismantle the 
enemy's without doing too much harm to civilians. And at best cost.

Trump has Made America Irrelevant Again.  We have learnt to nod politely 
and ignore it,
If it wants to destroy itself following another stupid populist  leader, 
  this time on the so called right, instead of left, we don't have the 
ability to alter that and interfering would not be productive. Americans 
have to grow up on their own



-- 
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, 
diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.”
― Groucho Marx

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#91674

FromPancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com>
Date2026-09-17 21:51 +0100
Message-ID<118hjro$37jqd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91638
On 9/17/26 13:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 17/09/2026 07:16, Pancho wrote:
>> So in short it was reasonable for Russia to be concerned about NATO in 
>> Ukraine. Reasonable to believe that the US would use NATO as an 
>> extension to its power to exert economic and political dominance.
> 
> If it was, then he did exactly the wrong thing, since NATO now has two 
> more members and a huge amount more funding from Europe, due to his 
> activities in Ukraine.
> 
> In short his propaganda lie has become true.
> 
> If he is a clever and reasonable man, why did he do that?
> 

You do like to personalise issues. My point was not about Putin, but 
about Russia's geopolitical concerns.

My guess would be that a Russian version of you would be complaining 
that lack of a Russian response to NATO expansion in 1999, and 2004 was 
appeasement. The only way to treat a bully was to stand up to it. There 
is of course a cost to standing up to a bully, but in the long run the 
price paid is worth it.

I presume Putin hoped an initial show of force would be enough. It 
wasn't, but it might well be that the cost of a nominal change in the 
status of Finland and Sweden was less important than a very real change 
in the status of Ukraine. There is also an argument that a show of force 
now deters future NATO expansion in other countries.

I don't support Russia, like a football team. I would be happy if 
Ukraine could win and there was peace. I would be happy if Russia could 
win and there was peace. I would be happy with a draw and there was 
peace.  Mainly I would like cheap Russian gas, low military spending, 
and a reduced fear of nuclear war. My problem is that I don't see any 
way Ukraine can win, without huge cost to everyone.


> Of course the USA never gave two fucks about Ukraine. And in terms of 
> its political and economic dominance, Donald has completely destroyed that.
> 

Biden didn't care either.

> All he understands is how to puff out his enormous gut and lie 
> convincingly to his fellow stupid Americans. Who just love being told 
> how great they are, even if the price of gas has doubled, they have made 
> utter idiots of themselves over Iran  and they get jeered at every time 
> they step off  a plane anywhere else in the world.
> 
> Even Canada is sick of them.
>

With good reason. I don't know a lot about Carney, but he is one of the 
few politicians that appears ballpark competent. I wonder why more 
politicians aren't like Carney. I guess electorates like something more 
exciting.

<snip>

> 
> And also that Putin is no master chess player either. Not when it comes 
> to actual open hot war, rather than the cold war of destroying his 
> 'enemies' from within.
> 
> He assumed that more tanks and more men and a West that had always let 
> him get away with it and a fully paid up asset in the White House would 
> ensure a walkover in days.
> 
> You wont find anything that is key or significant or strategic in the 
> media,. All they want is glorious battles lost and call of duty played 
> with real guns
> 
> Wake up. War is not what you think it is. And its not what Putin or 
> Trump think it is either.
> 
> No one in NATO gave a tuppeny fuck about Russia *as long as it stayed in 
> Russia*. It was simply that traditionally it had never been content with 
> that.

That's not true. The problem with Russia was that it stood up to the US 
politically. I noticed it with Snowden, and with Syria around 2012.

The Europeans cared about Russia because of the cheap gas that fuelled 
German industry, (and nuclear power stupidity).

> 
> As it turns out, not spending more money on useless American Hi Tech 
> weaponry and cannon fodder was actually serendipitous: we have money to 
> spare for what we actually need. Highly advanced but cheap unmanned 
> weapons, and a strategy to use them.
> 
> The game is now to subdue Russia and Iran, not by sending troops, but 
> working with our actual allies in Europe, Canada, SE Asia and 
> Australasia and the Middle East, to work out how to counter the 
> asymmetric threats and build a war machine that will dismantle the 
> enemy's without doing too much harm to civilians. And at best cost.
> 

Russia will ally with China. If we avoid open war, I doubt we will have 
much influence.

Why do we need to subdue Iran?. I strongly suspect that if we left them 
alone they would liberalise, become more western than Turkey. However, I 
guess they too will ally with China.

> Trump has Made America Irrelevant Again.  We have learnt to nod politely 
> and ignore it,
> If it wants to destroy itself following another stupid populist  leader, 
>   this time on the so called right, instead of left, we don't have the 
> ability to alter that and interfering would not be productive. Americans 
> have to grow up on their own
> 

Trump and Europe have also made the financial systems irrelevant. Trump 
didn't really cause any of this, he just accelerated it.

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#91683

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 22:15 +0100
Message-ID<118hl9a$lmgb$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91674
On 17/09/2026 21:51, Pancho wrote:
> On 9/17/26 13:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 17/09/2026 07:16, Pancho wrote:
>>> So in short it was reasonable for Russia to be concerned about NATO 
>>> in Ukraine. Reasonable to believe that the US would use NATO as an 
>>> extension to its power to exert economic and political dominance.
>>
>> If it was, then he did exactly the wrong thing, since NATO now has two 
>> more members and a huge amount more funding from Europe, due to his 
>> activities in Ukraine.
>>
>> In short his propaganda lie has become true.
>>
>> If he is a clever and reasonable man, why did he do that?
>>
> 
> You do like to personalise issues. My point was not about Putin, but 
> about Russia's geopolitical concerns.
>
Those are Putin's concerns and only Putins concerns.
'Russia' exists solely by his permission
Its what being a dictator is all about.


<skip insults>

> I presume Putin hoped an initial show of force would be enough. It 
> wasn't, but it might well be that the cost of a nominal change in the 
> status of Finland and Sweden was less important than a very real change 
> in the status of Ukraine. There is also an argument that a show of force 
> now deters future NATO expansion in other countries.
> 
He should have employed you instead of his arse lickers, shouldnt he?

> I don't support Russia, like a football team. I would be happy if 
> Ukraine could win and there was peace. I would be happy if Russia could 
> win and there was peace. I would be happy with a draw and there was 
> peace.  Mainly I would like cheap Russian gas, low military spending, 
> and a reduced fear of nuclear war. My problem is that I don't see any 
> way Ukraine can win, without huge cost to everyone.
> 
I don't see any way Russia will win, that;s for sure.
But Ukraine will.

> 
>> Of course the USA never gave two fucks about Ukraine. And in terms of 
>> its political and economic dominance, Donald has completely destroyed 
>> that.
>>
> 
> Biden didn't care either.
> 
He maintained the optics of caring and did chuck a few bones their way.

>> All he understands is how to puff out his enormous gut and lie 
>> convincingly to his fellow stupid Americans. Who just love being told 
>> how great they are, even if the price of gas has doubled, they have 
>> made utter idiots of themselves over Iran  and they get jeered at 
>> every time they step off  a plane anywhere else in the world.
>>
>> Even Canada is sick of them.
>>
> 
> With good reason. I don't know a lot about Carney, but he is one of the 
> few politicians that appears ballpark competent.

He fucked up royally at the bank of England.

>  I wonder why more 
> politicians aren't like Carney. I guess electorates like something more 
> exciting.
> 
>
<snip>
> 
> Russia will ally with China. If we avoid open war, I doubt we will have 
> much influence.
Illusory. China wants nothing from Russia except its land in the east 
and it will get that once Ukraine weakens Russia enough.

Its already building towns and factories there.

> 
> Why do we need to subdue Iran?. I strongly suspect that if we left them 
> alone they would liberalise, become more western than Turkey. However, I 
> guess they too will ally with China.
> 
No. They wont. The islamists are in power and they dare not let go. They 
will murder anyone who tries.

>> Trump has Made America Irrelevant Again.  We have learnt to nod 
>> politely and ignore it,
>> If it wants to destroy itself following another stupid populist  
>> leader,   this time on the so called right, instead of left, we don't 
>> have the ability to alter that and interfering would not be 
>> productive. Americans have to grow up on their own
>>
> 
> Trump and Europe have also made the financial systems irrelevant. Trump 
> didn't really cause any of this, he just accelerated it.
> 
> 
Not exactly. International banking and commerce has a power all its own: 
And mostly smarter people than ever get into governments



-- 
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted 
man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest 
thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly 
persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid 
before him."

    - Leo Tolstoy

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#91583

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-16 18:22 +0000
Message-ID<nh053fF83ghU29@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91551
On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 08:20:03 +0100, Pancho wrote:

> FFS, this is like an Israel debate where someone pipes up God gave
> Israel to the Jews in Moses' era. But as you raised it, I would point
> out Russia lost 20 million in WW2, Putin's brother was killed.

I thought Balfour gave Israel to the Jews. 

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#91622

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 11:25 +0100
Message-ID<118gf68$6m6t$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91583
On 16/09/2026 19:22, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 08:20:03 +0100, Pancho wrote:
> 
>> FFS, this is like an Israel debate where someone pipes up God gave
>> Israel to the Jews in Moses' era. But as you raised it, I would point
>> out Russia lost 20 million in WW2, Putin's brother was killed.
> 
> I thought Balfour gave Israel to the Jews.

I assume he was only crystallizing GodSwill™


-- 
"I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently.
This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and 
all women"

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#91672

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-17 20:35 +0000
Message-ID<nh318uF499oU14@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91622
On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 11:25:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 16/09/2026 19:22, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 08:20:03 +0100, Pancho wrote:
>> 
>>> FFS, this is like an Israel debate where someone pipes up God gave
>>> Israel to the Jews in Moses' era. But as you raised it, I would point
>>> out Russia lost 20 million in WW2, Putin's brother was killed.
>> 
>> I thought Balfour gave Israel to the Jews.
> 
> I assume he was only crystallizing GodSwill™

Sure. He was crystallizing Chaim Weizmann's will in return for his acetone 
method or Britain would have been using black powder in WWI instead of 
cordite.

Gripe: mystery writers love the smell of cordite. I don't thing anyone has 
used cordite in a very long time.

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#91682

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 22:06 +0100
Message-ID<118hkpf$lmgb$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91672
On 17/09/2026 21:35, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 11:25:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 16/09/2026 19:22, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 08:20:03 +0100, Pancho wrote:
>>>
>>>> FFS, this is like an Israel debate where someone pipes up God gave
>>>> Israel to the Jews in Moses' era. But as you raised it, I would point
>>>> out Russia lost 20 million in WW2, Putin's brother was killed.
>>>
>>> I thought Balfour gave Israel to the Jews.
>>
>> I assume he was only crystallizing GodSwill™
> 
> Sure. He was crystallizing Chaim Weizmann's will in return for his acetone
> method or Britain would have been using black powder in WWI instead of
> cordite.
> 
You do talk such bollocks.

It was never that simple

> Gripe: mystery writers love the smell of cordite. I don't thing anyone has
> used cordite in a very long time.

Well the actual propellants are essentially the same, only the 
stabilisers have changed I think. So it probably smells the same


-- 
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of 
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"

    -  John K Galbraith

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#91702

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-18 03:23 +0000
Message-ID<nh3p6bF499oU24@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91682
On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 22:06:55 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> n 17/09/2026 21:35, rbowman wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 11:25:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> 
>>> On 16/09/2026 19:22, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 08:20:03 +0100, Pancho wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> FFS, this is like an Israel debate where someone pipes up God gave
>>>>> Israel to the Jews in Moses' era. But as you raised it, I would
>>>>> point out Russia lost 20 million in WW2, Putin's brother was killed.
>>>>
>>>> I thought Balfour gave Israel to the Jews.
>>>
>>> I assume he was only crystallizing GodSwill™
>> 
>> Sure. He was crystallizing Chaim Weizmann's will in return for his
>> acetone method or Britain would have been using black powder in WWI
>> instead of cordite.
>> 
> You do talk such bollocks.
> 
> It was never that simple

Well then explain to me in simple terms what Balfour was doing. The 
actions of Perfidious Albion are often inscrutable.

> 
>> Gripe: mystery writers love the smell of cordite. I don't thing anyone
>> has used cordite in a very long time.
> 
> Well the actual propellants are essentially the same, only the
> stabilisers have changed I think. So it probably smells the same

https://crimefictionbook.com/2015/04/30/whats-the-smell-cordite-vs-
gunpowder-vs-propellant/

I've never smelled cordite so I wouldn't know. I do use several different 
formulations of smokeless powder and each has a distinctive smell. None of 
them smells like black powder, which definitely isn't smokeless and smells 
like the devil farted.

Writers can tell a good tale but often aren't that familiar with their 
props, hence the .12 gauge shotgun and so forth. There was one writer who 
did know his stuff. He liked to troll the readers by having his man switch 
the safety off on his revolver.  Howls of protest followed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webley%E2%80%93Fosbery_Automatic_Revolver

Some German revolvers had safeties, and a few models had a grip safety.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_&_Wesson_Safety_Hammerless

The hero just happened to carry one of the rare models.

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#91708

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-18 01:24 -0400
Message-ID<23udnVq6mORkVzH3nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#91702
On 9/17/26 23:23, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 22:06:55 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> n 17/09/2026 21:35, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 11:25:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 16/09/2026 19:22, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 08:20:03 +0100, Pancho wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> FFS, this is like an Israel debate where someone pipes up God gave
>>>>>> Israel to the Jews in Moses' era. But as you raised it, I would
>>>>>> point out Russia lost 20 million in WW2, Putin's brother was killed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought Balfour gave Israel to the Jews.
>>>>
>>>> I assume he was only crystallizing GodSwill™
>>>
>>> Sure. He was crystallizing Chaim Weizmann's will in return for his
>>> acetone method or Britain would have been using black powder in WWI
>>> instead of cordite.
>>>
>> You do talk such bollocks.
>>
>> It was never that simple
> 
> Well then explain to me in simple terms what Balfour was doing. The
> actions of Perfidious Albion are often inscrutable.
> 
>>
>>> Gripe: mystery writers love the smell of cordite. I don't thing anyone
>>> has used cordite in a very long time.
>>
>> Well the actual propellants are essentially the same, only the
>> stabilisers have changed I think. So it probably smells the same
> 
> https://crimefictionbook.com/2015/04/30/whats-the-smell-cordite-vs-
> gunpowder-vs-propellant/
> 
> I've never smelled cordite so I wouldn't know. I do use several different
> formulations of smokeless powder and each has a distinctive smell. None of
> them smells like black powder, which definitely isn't smokeless and smells
> like the devil farted.
> 
> Writers can tell a good tale but often aren't that familiar with their
> props, hence the .12 gauge shotgun and so forth. There was one writer who
> did know his stuff. He liked to troll the readers by having his man switch
> the safety off on his revolver.  Howls of protest followed.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webley%E2%80%93Fosbery_Automatic_Revolver
> 
> Some German revolvers had safeties, and a few models had a grip safety.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_&_Wesson_Safety_Hammerless
> 
> The hero just happened to carry one of the rare models.

   Did fire some Cordite-loaded 303 cartridges.

   They worked fine. The 'smell' though isn't THAT
   much different from any common smokeless powder.
   It's all basically the same stuff - just in
   different physical configuration.

   "Cordite" - a rod - seems to miss filling the
   cartridge case fully however. You might get
   superior ballistics, at similar pressures,
   with more modern ball or flake powders.

   My brother had an old Enfield. SEEMED robust
   but kinda scared me. As I recall there's only
   ONE locking lug on the bolt. Gimme M98 with
   its THREE lugs instead !!! :-)

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#91589

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 00:58 +0100
Message-ID<118fag0$3rcaa$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91551
On 2026-09-16, Pancho wrote:

>
> Of course there were security concerns. All countries have security
> concerns. Access to warm water ports has always been a Russian
> concern. Having unfriendly troops and missiles stationed on your
> border is clearly a concern.

Protip: if you don't want a neighbouring country to station a
significant amount of troops and missiles next to the border facing you,
don't go invading another neighbouring country.

Also applies to not wanting neighbours to ratify e.g. the Washington
Treaty.

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#91630

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 11:55 +0100
Message-ID<118ggu8$6m6t$12@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91589
On 17/09/2026 00:58, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2026-09-16, Pancho wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Of course there were security concerns. All countries have
>> security concerns. Access to warm water ports has always been a
>> Russian concern. Having unfriendly troops and missiles stationed on
>> your border is clearly a concern.
> 
> Protip: if you don't want a neighbouring country to station a 
> significant amount of troops and missiles next to the border facing
> you, don't go invading another neighbouring country.
> 
LOL.

The West didn't start the cold war, Russia simply annexed all of Eastern
Europe and the rest of the West were too tired to fight.

  And then the Russians stationed their tanks all along the border of
Eastern Europe, and all democracy vanished behind an 'iron curtain'

Only the loss of the potentially  enormous export market that was Western
Europe galvanised the greed of corporate USA to halt its progress.

> Also applies to not wanting neighbours to ratify e.g. the Washington 
> Treaty.
> 
Russia has - since the Revolution - always been a mixture of extreme 
paranoia and cultural Imperialism.

European nations didn't care if that extended Eastward to the pacific, 
but it did care that Russia always wanted Europe and would do its 
damnedest to destroy anything connected with Western democracy anywhere 
it found it in the world.

The rule of the Tsars had been replaced by the rule of the commissars, 
and nothing really changed. The serfs were still serfs.

Top down brutality and wealth reserved for the elite few. No wonder 
Donald envies them.

Whereas the rest of Europe by and large transitioned from kings to a 
more English style parliamentary system - wel -l except in places where 
they chose to play out the communists versus fascist game, with no 
actual possibility of any democracy. They now love the EU because it is 
essentially both.

Putin was impatient. The EU was busy turning Europe into a bureaucracy 
that would have been simple to merge with the Russian commissariat, and 
it would have happened if he had been content to continue to feed 
billions into the Eurocrats in his pockets.

But he had to invade Ukraine. And that threatened the Eurocrats who were 
NOT in his pockets.

And here we are.

-- 
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit
atrocities.”

― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de
Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de
M. de Voltaire

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#91670

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-17 20:28 +0000
Message-ID<nh30rjF499oU12@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91630
On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 11:55:04 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> European nations didn't care if that extended Eastward to the pacific,
> but it did care that Russia always wanted Europe and would do its
> damnedest to destroy anything connected with Western democracy anywhere
> it found it in the world.

Japan had concerns and slapped Russia's face. That wasn't supposed to 
happen, those backward Japs beating an European power. 

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#91693

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-17 22:19 -0400
Message-ID<23udnVm6mOQDAjH3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#91630
On 9/17/26 06:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 17/09/2026 00:58, Nuno Silva wrote:
>> On 2026-09-16, Pancho wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Of course there were security concerns. All countries have
>>> security concerns. Access to warm water ports has always been a
>>> Russian concern. Having unfriendly troops and missiles stationed on
>>> your border is clearly a concern.
>>
>> Protip: if you don't want a neighbouring country to station a 
>> significant amount of troops and missiles next to the border facing
>> you, don't go invading another neighbouring country.
>>
> LOL.
> 
> The West didn't start the cold war, Russia simply annexed all of Eastern
> Europe and the rest of the West were too tired to fight.
> 
>   And then the Russians stationed their tanks all along the border of
> Eastern Europe, and all democracy vanished behind an 'iron curtain'

   COUNTER-REVOLUTIONARY ! The Soviets LIBERATED
   eastern Europe ! Made everybody HAPPY !!! :-)

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#91679

FromPancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com>
Date2026-09-17 21:58 +0100
Message-ID<118hk9s$285d$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91589
On 9/17/26 00:58, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2026-09-16, Pancho wrote:
> 
>>
>> Of course there were security concerns. All countries have security
>> concerns. Access to warm water ports has always been a Russian
>> concern. Having unfriendly troops and missiles stationed on your
>> border is clearly a concern.
> 
> Protip: if you don't want a neighbouring country to station a
> significant amount of troops and missiles next to the border facing you,
> don't go invading another neighbouring country.
> 

Venezuela, and Iran didn't go invading anyone?

> Also applies to not wanting neighbours to ratify e.g. the Washington
> Treaty.
> 

I think that is what we call the North Atlantic treaty in the UK?, but I 
guess the US has the American Gulf and Lake America, so Washington 
Treaty is fine/ The only problem is some people might not understand 
what you are talking about.

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#91686

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 22:25 +0100
Message-ID<118hlt3$lmgb$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91679
On 17/09/2026 21:58, Pancho wrote:
> On 9/17/26 00:58, Nuno Silva wrote:
>> On 2026-09-16, Pancho wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Of course there were security concerns. All countries have security
>>> concerns. Access to warm water ports has always been a Russian
>>> concern. Having unfriendly troops and missiles stationed on your
>>> border is clearly a concern.
>>
>> Protip: if you don't want a neighbouring country to station a
>> significant amount of troops and missiles next to the border facing you,
>> don't go invading another neighbouring country.
>>
> 
> Venezuela, and Iran didn't go invading anyone?
> 
Iran most certainly did, via Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis.

Not to mention the hordes of bearded muthas shouting Allah Akbar! in 
Europe's streets.

"The Iranian government uses these proxy groups to extend its political 
power, fight its rivals, and threaten other countries without starting 
direct wars.

Major Iran-Backed Groups
================
     Hezbollah (Lebanon): Formed with Iranian help in 1982, this Shia 
Muslim political and military group receives most of its money, weapons, 
and training from Iran. It operates in Lebanon and has launched regular 
attacks against Israel.

     Hamas (Gaza): This Sunni Muslim group governs the Gaza Strip and 
has received financial aid, weapons, and military training from Iran 
since the early 1990s.

     Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ): Operating mainly in Gaza, PIJ 
works closely with Iran and receives heavy financial and military 
support to fight against Israel.

     The Houthis (Yemen): Also known as Ansar Allah, this rebel group 
controls parts of Yemen. Iran provides them with weapons and guidance to 
fight regional opponents and disrupt shipping lanes.

     Iraqi Militias: Groups like Kataib Hezbollah, the Badr 
Organization, and Asaib Ahl al-Haq operate inside Iraq. Iran funds and 
trains these groups to increase its influence and target international 
forces.

And that is just the tip of the iceberg.


-- 
Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend.

"Saki"

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#91688

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-18 00:57 +0100
Message-ID<118huq5$ol93$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91679
On 2026-09-17, Pancho wrote:

> On 9/17/26 00:58, Nuno Silva wrote:
>> On 2026-09-16, Pancho wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Of course there were security concerns. All countries have security
>>> concerns. Access to warm water ports has always been a Russian
>>> concern. Having unfriendly troops and missiles stationed on your
>>> border is clearly a concern.
>>
>> Protip: if you don't want a neighbouring country to station a
>> significant amount of troops and missiles next to the border facing you,
>> don't go invading another neighbouring country.
>>
>
> Venezuela, and Iran didn't go invading anyone?

I was talking about the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.

>> Also applies to not wanting neighbours to ratify e.g. the Washington
>> Treaty.
>
> I think that is what we call the North Atlantic treaty in the UK?, but
> I guess the US has the American Gulf and Lake America, so Washington
> Treaty is fine/ The only problem is some people might not understand
> what you are talking about.

It *is* a name for the treaty establishing the North Atlantic alliance
and NATO-OTAN.

<https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/ATAG/2022/739250/EPRS_ATA(2022)739250_EN.pdf>

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#91700

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-18 03:02 +0000
Message-ID<nh3nuuF499oU23@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91688
On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 00:57:57 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:


> It *is* a name for the treaty establishing the North Atlantic alliance
> and NATO-OTAN.
> 
> <https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/ATAG/2022/739250/
EPRS_ATA(2022)739250_EN.pdf>

I suppose the European Parliament can call it whatever they want. Don't 
expect name recognition anywhere else.

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