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Ancient History

Started byrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
First post2026-08-25 04:41 +0000
Last post2026-08-29 00:19 -0400
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  Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 04:41 +0000
    Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 03:15 -0400
      Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-25 08:19 -0700
        Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 19:57 +0100
          Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:25 -0400
            Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 09:33 +0100
            Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:20 +0000
              Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 21:27 +0100
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 01:13 +0000
                  Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:24 -0400
                    Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 20:03 +0000
                      Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 23:47 -0400
                        Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 06:54 +0000
                          Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 09:28 -0700
                            Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 18:53 +0100
                              Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:11 +0100
                                [OT] Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:20 +0100
                            Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 20:58 +0000
                              Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 14:49 -0700
                                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 05:41 +0000
                                  Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 02:00 -0400
                                    Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:00 +0100
                                      Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 21:55 +0000
                                        Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-30 09:02 +1000
                                          Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:28 +0000
                                            Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 09:15 +0100
                                              Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 19:28 +0000
                                                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 03:41 -0400
                                                  Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-31 15:50 +0000
                                            Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 00:56 -0400
                                              Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 19:09 +0000
                                                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-01 01:15 -0400
                                        Re: Ancient History "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:56 +0200
                                          Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 19:10 +0000
                                            Re: Ancient History "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 21:32 +0200
                                              Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 02:57 +0000
                                          Re: Ancient History Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> - 2026-08-31 09:07 +0200
                                            Re: Ancient History Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-31 08:37 +0000
                                            Re: Ancient History "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:52 +0200
                                    Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 21:46 +0000
                                  Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 09:57 +0100
                                    Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-30 09:17 +1000
                                    Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-31 11:12 -0700
                                  Javascript whitelisting (was Re: Ancient History) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-31 11:01 -0700
                                    Re: Javascript whitelisting (was Re: Ancient History) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-31 19:28 +0100
                                      Re: Javascript whitelisting (was Re: Ancient History) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-31 11:35 -0700
                                      Re: Javascript whitelisting (was Re: Ancient History) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 20:19 +0000
                                        Re: Javascript whitelisting (was Re: Ancient History) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-31 13:52 -0700
                                        Re: Javascript whitelisting (was Re: Ancient History) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:47 +0100
                                      Re: Javascript whitelisting (was Re: Ancient History) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-31 22:39 +0000
                                  Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-09-02 08:32 +1000
                        Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:11 +0100
    Re: Ancient History "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:41 +0200
      Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:53 +0100
        Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:54 +0100
          Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:25 +0000
        Re: Ancient History "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 14:23 +0200
          Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 03:28 -0400
            Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 09:12 +0100
              Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:26 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:56 -0400
                  Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 12:00 +0100
                  Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 20:25 +0000
                    Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-27 21:48 +0000
                      Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:26 -0400
                        Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 06:59 +0000
                          Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:05 +0100
                            Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 21:02 +0000
                              Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:03 +0100
                                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 22:33 +0000
                                  Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 17:58 +0100
                      Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:03 +0100
                    Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:06 -0400
                      Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:08 +0100
                        Re: Ancient History "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 13:45 +0200
                          Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:42 +0100
                          Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 21:59 -0400
                            Re: Ancient History "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 14:15 +0200
                              Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 01:32 -0400
                                Re: Ancient History "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:54 +0200
                                  Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:19 +0100
                                    Re: Ancient History "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-31 13:50 +0200
                                      Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 13:04 +0100
                                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:18 +0100
                                  Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-31 15:50 +0000
                                    Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-01 02:41 -0400
                                      Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-01 18:14 +0000
                                        Re: Ancient History Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 22:04 +0000
                                          Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-01 23:40 +0000
                                        Re: Ancient History Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-01 18:07 -0400
                                          Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-02 03:16 +0000
                                          Re: Ancient History Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-02 10:54 +0100
                                            Re: Ancient History Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-02 10:04 +0000
                                          Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:21 +0100
                            Metformin (Re: Ancient History) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-30 09:37 -0700
                    Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:03 +0100
                      Re: Ancient History Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-28 12:07 -0400
                        Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 21:00 +0000
                          Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 02:22 -0400
                          Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:01 +0100
                          Re: Ancient History Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-29 10:01 -0400
                            Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 22:02 +0000
                              Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 11:33 +0100
                                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-01 19:03 +0000
                                  Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-01 23:40 +0000
                                    Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-02 03:30 +0000
                                      Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-02 02:50 -0400
                                    Re: Ancient History Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-02 05:41 -0400
            Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:23 +0000
              Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 21:29 +0100
      Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:31 +0100
        Re: Ancient History Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-25 07:53 -0400
        Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-25 18:26 +0000
          Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:37 +0000
      Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:16 +0000
        Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 20:21 +0100
          Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 04:40 +0000
    Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:30 +0100
      Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 02:49 -0400
    Re: Ancient History "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-25 20:07 +0800
    Re: Ancient History Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:20 -0400
      Re: Ancient History Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-25 17:44 +0000
      Re: Ancient History Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-25 21:55 +0000
    Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-27 08:59 +1000
      Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 01:20 +0000
        Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:38 -0400
          Re: Ancient History vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-27 08:08 +0000
            Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:13 -0400
              Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 04:24 +0000
      Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:21 -0400
        Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-28 08:58 +1000
          Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:36 -0400
          Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 04:42 +0000
            Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 02:37 -0400
            Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-29 07:40 +1000
              Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 02:03 -0400
              Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:06 +0100
    Re: Ancient History Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-28 08:59 +0100
      Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 00:19 -0400

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#90956

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-31 12:19 +0100
Message-ID<1173o0d$s37s$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90954
On 31/08/2026 11:54, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>    Oh, when his insurance ran out, SUDDENLY they
>>    weren't interested anymore - bumped him off
>>    to the 3rd/4th-tier asshole docs.
> 
> Well, here insurance never runs out.

What insurance?


-- 
The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before 
its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about.

Anon.

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#90961

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-08-31 13:50 +0200
Message-ID<jd6gmmxhma.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#90956
On 2026-08-31 13:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 31/08/2026 11:54, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>>    Oh, when his insurance ran out, SUDDENLY they
>>>    weren't interested anymore - bumped him off
>>>    to the 3rd/4th-tier asshole docs.
>>
>> Well, here insurance never runs out.
> 
> What insurance?

The equivalent, run by the administration.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#90963

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-31 13:04 +0100
Message-ID<1173qk4$s37s$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90961
On 31/08/2026 12:50, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-08-31 13:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 31/08/2026 11:54, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>    Oh, when his insurance ran out, SUDDENLY they
>>>>    weren't interested anymore - bumped him off
>>>>    to the 3rd/4th-tier asshole docs.
>>>
>>> Well, here insurance never runs out.
>>
>> What insurance?
> 
> The equivalent, run by the administration.
> 
It isn't actually equivalent at all.

That's like saying that the repair of roads is covered by the equivalent 
of insurance. It isn't.

It's just a part of what taxes are for.


-- 
In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act.

- George Orwell

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#90955

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-31 12:18 +0100
Message-ID<1173nup$s37s$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90937
On 31/08/2026 06:32, c186282 wrote:
> And no, do NOT think "socialism" will fix it.
>    UK news ... wow ... a totally decomposing
>    system that helps nobody.

Staggeringly ignorant, even for you.

NHS isn't 'socialism'. It's intelligent cost benefit analysis.

It costs less to not have to muddy professional healthcare with billing 
and insurance.

It isn't decomposing, its just having a hard time being infinitely 
better than the US while costing less than a quarter as much.

WE don't understand why Americans don't have a toll booth on every 
single mile of road and have it all owned privately. Its a goldmine 
waiting to be tapped.

The current system of public ownership is the worst form of socialism.



-- 
There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do 
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon 
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent 
renewable energy.

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#90968

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-08-31 15:50 +0000
Message-ID<qphlS.21799$I1t6.18869@fx43.iad>
In reply to#90955
On 2026-08-31, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> The current system of public ownership is the worst form of socialism.

The current system of private ownership is the worst form of capitalism
(where "private" means "large corporations").
Cf. Ambassador Bridge

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#90989

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-01 02:41 -0400
Message-ID<WMecnc6yfJvg7gv3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#90968
On 8/31/26 11:50, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-08-31, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> The current system of public ownership is the worst form of socialism.
> 
> The current system of private ownership is the worst form of capitalism
> (where "private" means "large corporations").
> Cf. Ambassador Bridge

   Ummm ... "large corporations" can get shit DONE,
   with efficiency.

   Go any more "public/Woke" and it all falls apart.

   Or is that what you WANT ???

   Nope.

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#91021

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-09-01 18:14 +0000
Message-ID<KBElS.84848$Rhua.83337@fx24.iad>
In reply to#90989
On 2026-09-01, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

> On 8/31/26 11:50, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2026-08-31, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> The current system of public ownership is the worst form of socialism.
>> 
>> The current system of private ownership is the worst form of capitalism
>> (where "private" means "large corporations").
>> Cf. Ambassador Bridge
>
>    Ummm ... "large corporations" can get shit DONE,
>    with efficiency.

    Life is perverse.  It can be beautiful, but it won't.
      -- Lily Tomlin

The goals of large corporations are getting further and
further away anything beneficial to the public at large.

>    Go any more "public/Woke" and it all falls apart.

Sad but true.  Neither side is looking all that good now.

>    Or is that what you WANT ???
>
>    Nope.

But I'm not a shareholder so my opinion doesn't count.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#91037

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-09-01 22:04 +0000
Message-ID<1177i5l$26ea4$13@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91021
On Tue, 01 Sep 2026 18:14:02 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> The goals of large corporations are getting further and further away
> anything beneficial to the public at large.

That’s always been true. History repeats.

But I think the majority of the world’s economy (outside the US) is
based on small businesses, not large ones. And small businesses, by
their nature, cannot afford to ride roughshod over the needs of
customers.

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#91041

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-09-01 23:40 +0000
Message-ID<LnJlS.1621$oQ_6.685@fx11.iad>
In reply to#91037
On 2026-09-01, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 01 Sep 2026 18:14:02 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> The goals of large corporations are getting further and further away
>> anything beneficial to the public at large.
>
> That’s always been true. History repeats.
>
> But I think the majority of the world’s economy (outside the US) is
> based on small businesses, not large ones. And small businesses, by
> their nature, cannot afford to ride roughshod over the needs of
> customers.

Large businesses, on the other hand, can afford to ride roughshod
over small businesses.  In fact, it's part of their plan.

Support small businesses - or lose them.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#91038

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2026-09-01 18:07 -0400
Message-ID<1177iag$27dli$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91021
Charlie Gibbs wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):

> On 2026-09-01, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>
>> On 8/31/26 11:50, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2026-08-31, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The current system of public ownership is the worst form of socialism.
>>> 
>>> The current system of private ownership is the worst form of capitalism
>>> (where "private" means "large corporations").
>>> Cf. Ambassador Bridge
>>
>>    Ummm ... "large corporations" can get shit DONE,
>>    with efficiency.

Where "shit" is mostly just "profit".

>     Life is perverse.  It can be beautiful, but it won't.
>       -- Lily Tomlin
>
> The goals of large corporations are getting further and
> further away anything beneficial to the public at large.

Someone once compared Microsoft to a Bose-Einstein condensate.

>>    Go any more "public/Woke" and it all falls apart.
>
> Sad but true.  Neither side is looking all that good now.

:-D :-D

Isn't Linux "woke"? That is, aware of the evils of the "system",
and being vigilant to them.

As for "sides", that's a convenient dichotomy to split a continuum
into easily digestible chunks.

>>    Or is that what you WANT ???
>>
>>    Nope.
>
> But I'm not a shareholder so my opinion doesn't count.

You'd better support data centers or you will be "backward and
poor" according to the grifting dumbfsck in the now well-labelled
"Oval Office"..

-- 
The one day you'd sell your soul for something, souls are a glut.

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#91048

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-02 03:16 +0000
Message-ID<nfpip0FtomiU33@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91038
On Tue, 1 Sep 2026 18:07:12 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> You'd better support data centers or you will be "backward and poor"
> according to the grifting dumbfsck in the now well-labelled "Oval
> Office"..

There was a bit of whiplash when The Donald declared data centers to be a 
good thing.  The local response was FOAD.

https://missoulacountyvoice.com/bonner-data-center

The proposal was an interesting example of the left and right uniting in 
opposition to a poor idea. The project would have brought few temporary 
local jobs since the physical structure was already there. When completed 
the permanent jobs would be a few IT people and rent-a-cops. 

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#91064

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-09-02 10:54 +0100
Message-ID<nfqa07Fkj98U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91038
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Isn't Linux "woke"? That is, aware of the evils of the "system",
> and being vigilant to them.

Omarchy Linux and its backing foundation are branding themselves as 
non-woke (without being anti-woke).

> As for "sides", that's a convenient dichotomy to split a continuum
> into easily digestible chunks.

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#91065

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-09-02 10:04 +0000
Message-ID<1178sav$2mac1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91064
On Wed, 2 Sep 2026 10:54:19 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> Omarchy Linux and its backing foundation are branding themselves as
> non-woke (without being anti-woke).

Are the anti-“woke” crowd able to accept that?

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#91066

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-02 11:21 +0100
Message-ID<1178taj$2mjch$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91038
On 01/09/2026 23:07, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Isn't Linux "woke"? That is, aware of the evils of the "system",
> and being vigilant to them.
> 
No. Linux wasn't designed as some kind of reaction against a system. It 
was simply designed to work, and be free. Because academia couldn't 
afford to pay Unix fees.

That the brown rice and sandals brigade adopted it as some kind of 
anti-establishment mascot is their problem.

> As for "sides", that's a convenient dichotomy to split a continuum
> into easily digestible chunks.

Suitable for consumption by morons.

Who can only count up to two on the lead of one IC.

-- 
"I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently.
This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and 
all women"

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#90909 — Metformin (Re: Ancient History)

FromLars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
Date2026-08-30 09:37 -0700
SubjectMetformin (Re: Ancient History)
Message-ID<1171m8s$7iu6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90876
On 2026-08-29 18:59, c186282 wrote:
> On 8/29/26 07:45, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-08-28 13:08, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 28/08/2026 05:06, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 8/27/26 16:25, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>    Anyway, due to lack of veggies, I know I'm not getting
>>>>    enough folic acid or 'C' and a couple other little things.
>>>>    Those are the pills I buy. Often split 'em - the idea is
>>>>    Just Enough. Eat some, but not much, beef - so gotta throw
>>>>    in a B-12 once or twice a week. Anyway, the approach dropped
>>>>    me from 220 lbs to 155 over about a year. Gained back about
>>>>    15 over time but still MUCH better than my max-carb days.
>>>>    DO miss the chocolate and Cokes and chips though, but I'd
>>>>    have been living on the insulin needle otherwise.
>>>>
>>> More likely metformin. A really nasty drug
>>
>> Why? :-?
> 
>    WAS on it for a month or two.
> 
>    At minimum you'll be blasting out tons of
>    yellow semi-liquid poop  :-)
I have been on Metformin for 20+ years. Never had any abnormal poop. I 
have been on Zepbound for 2 years, and never had any of the terrible 
side effects that some people report. But sadly also never had much of 
the desired effect. Minimal weight loss.  But I am afraid to stop, in 
case I then have a big weight gain.

-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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#90740

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-28 12:03 +0100
Message-ID<116rpu1$28guo$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90696
On 27/08/2026 21:25, rbowman wrote:
> 'Kale has no home here.' I've
> tried. Honestly I've tried. It has to be the only thing in the world you
> can fry up with plenty of bacon and garlic and it still isn't fit to eat.
<FX> applause </FX>

The key is to cut out carbs, There simply are no 'healthy' carbs. Bread 
is the absolute worst.

meat/fish/fruit.

-- 
Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

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#90768

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2026-08-28 12:07 -0400
Message-ID<116sbna$2gbu2$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90740
The Natural Philosopher wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):

> On 27/08/2026 21:25, rbowman wrote:
>> 'Kale has no home here.' I've
>> tried. Honestly I've tried. It has to be the only thing in the world you
>> can fry up with plenty of bacon and garlic and it still isn't fit to eat.
> <FX> applause </FX>
>
> The key is to cut out carbs, There simply are no 'healthy' carbs. Bread 
> is the absolute worst.

Unfortunately, beer has carbs (at least the beers that are
drinkable).

> meat/fish/fruit.

But beware of Trump's mystery meat :-D

$ aiksaurus meat
=== vittles ==================
board, bread, cheer, comestibles, creature comfort, cuisine, daily
bread, fast food, feast, health food, ingesta, meat, provender,
provision, spread, sustenance, table, tucker, viands, victuals,
vittles


-- 
The only thing better than love is milk.

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#90783

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-28 21:00 +0000
Message-ID<nfeb7dFprcuU45@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#90768
On Fri, 28 Aug 2026 12:07:06 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> The Natural Philosopher wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
> 
>> On 27/08/2026 21:25, rbowman wrote:
>>> 'Kale has no home here.' I've tried. Honestly I've tried. It has to be
>>> the only thing in the world you can fry up with plenty of bacon and
>>> garlic and it still isn't fit to eat.
>> <FX> applause </FX>
>>
>> The key is to cut out carbs, There simply are no 'healthy' carbs. Bread
>> is the absolute worst.
> 
> Unfortunately, beer has carbs (at least the beers that are drinkable).

I cut beer out back in the '70s. The world may be a better place for it. 

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#90799

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-29 02:22 -0400
Message-ID<xcGcnVmbb91l5w_3nZ2dnZfqnPUAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#90783
On 8/28/26 17:00, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2026 12:07:06 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> 
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
>>
>>> On 27/08/2026 21:25, rbowman wrote:
>>>> 'Kale has no home here.' I've tried. Honestly I've tried. It has to be
>>>> the only thing in the world you can fry up with plenty of bacon and
>>>> garlic and it still isn't fit to eat.
>>> <FX> applause </FX>
>>>
>>> The key is to cut out carbs, There simply are no 'healthy' carbs. Bread
>>> is the absolute worst.
>>
>> Unfortunately, beer has carbs (at least the beers that are drinkable).
> 
> I cut beer out back in the '70s. The world may be a better place for it.

   Nah, not really ... I kinda encourage beer or
   equivs to mess-up govt propaganda lines.

   However YOU may be better off, depending.

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#90804

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-29 10:01 +0100
Message-ID<116u764$3345j$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90783
On 28/08/2026 22:00, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2026 12:07:06 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> 
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
>>
>>> On 27/08/2026 21:25, rbowman wrote:
>>>> 'Kale has no home here.' I've tried. Honestly I've tried. It has to be
>>>> the only thing in the world you can fry up with plenty of bacon and
>>>> garlic and it still isn't fit to eat.
>>> <FX> applause </FX>
>>>
>>> The key is to cut out carbs, There simply are no 'healthy' carbs. Bread
>>> is the absolute worst.
>>
>> Unfortunately, beer has carbs (at least the beers that are drinkable).
> 
> I cut beer out back in the '70s. The world may be a better place for it.

Beer and wine are now special treats. I don't drink every night,m but I 
generally drink once a week. And pay the price in mental sogginess the 
next day. Liver and kidneys are not what they were


-- 
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted 
man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest 
thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly 
persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid 
before him."

    - Leo Tolstoy

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