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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-08-18 01:44 -0400 |
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What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 01:44 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 01:59 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 06:05 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-18 08:10 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-18 11:33 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:16 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:32 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:05 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:23 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:10 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:15 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:53 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 22:54 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-20 10:31 -0300
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:10 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-20 10:30 -0300
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:04 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:01 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:24 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 22:07 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 04:02 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 06:48 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 16:15 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-23 21:52 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 01:07 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:15 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 19:26 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:45 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:39 +0000
Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-25 06:48 -0700
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 15:10 +0100
Re: Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-26 18:04 -0700
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:23 -0400
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 12:09 +0100
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:15 -0400
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 03:21 +0000
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 02:42 -0400
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:15 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:40 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:37 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:13 +0000
Re: Power lines "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-29 21:28 +0100
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:23 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 22:47 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:20 +0100
Re: Power lines "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:43 +0200
Re: Power lines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-30 15:49 +0000
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 18:40 +0000
Re: Power lines "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 21:23 +0200
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 19:36 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:09 +0100
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:06 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 14:19 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 15:25 +0100
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:24 -0400
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:18 +0100
Re: Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-28 05:56 -0700
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 15:33 +0100
Re: Power lines Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-28 16:06 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:30 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:51 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:39 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:26 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:25 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 01:46 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:50 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:43 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:07 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Enoch Powell <e.powell@tutanatu.kom> - 2026-08-27 10:54 -0600
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 19:11 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Enoch Powell <e.powell@tutanatu.kom> - 2026-08-27 12:57 -0600
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:55 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:25 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:27 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:45 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:02 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-28 16:13 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:32 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 19:38 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:57 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:10 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:55 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 23:34 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-26 04:27 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 08:57 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-27 06:30 -0700
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 13:57 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:22 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:16 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:36 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-28 19:42 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:28 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:04 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:18 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 22:50 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 18:03 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 18:35 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 00:43 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 02:21 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:33 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 09:22 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 13:01 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 03:00 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:47 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-30 07:55 +0500
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-30 02:08 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:30 +0000
[OT] Russian Federation, wars (was: Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 10:04 +0100
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-30 10:22 +0100
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-30 16:13 +0500
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 18:12 +0100
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-30 16:47 +0500
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 13:58 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-29 10:11 -0700
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:20 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 23:06 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-30 02:14 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:35 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 19:28 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 02:15 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:55 +0100
Salmonella (Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ?) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-30 09:28 -0700
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 19:27 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 18:31 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 21:30 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 19:43 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 21:57 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 02:35 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 02:50 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 01:52 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:47 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:37 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:49 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-27 16:32 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:44 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 12:57 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:03 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 22:24 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:07 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:42 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 02:14 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:13 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:14 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:27 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 16:57 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:02 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 13:54 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 22:21 -0400
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 09:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wwv33vuem36.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #90928 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: > On 30/08/2026 19:35, rbowman wrote: >> On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 18:03:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 29/08/2026 23:50, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 23:18:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian >>>>> stuff. >>>> >>>> You obviously have found the wellspring of pro Ukrainian stuff. >>> >>> Well no, just not obviously pro Russian stuff >> >> The balanced view would be to let them solve their own problems that >> have been going on since the Swedes invaded and became Rus. > > If you wanted that you should not have guaranteed the Ukrainians > defence against Russia when they gave up all their nuclear weapons. I think this is in reference to the 1994 Trilateral Statement, which is not a particularly strong security assurance: it only applies in cases where nuclear weapons are used and the commitment is only to seek UN Security Council action. https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/30922-document-10-january-14-trilateral-statement-january-14-1994 (The flaw should have been apparent even at the time: Russia would veto any proposed UNSC action after nuking Ukraine.) > But we have come to understand that America never makes promises it > intends to keep. Unless there are further assurances somewhere, I don’t think the USA has broken a promise here by limiting its support for Ukraine (just made a serious mistake). -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 13:01 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1173qfb$s37s$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90949 |
On 31/08/2026 09:22, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: >> On 30/08/2026 19:35, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 18:03:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 29/08/2026 23:50, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 23:18:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>> Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian >>>>>> stuff. >>>>> >>>>> You obviously have found the wellspring of pro Ukrainian stuff. >>>> >>>> Well no, just not obviously pro Russian stuff >>> >>> The balanced view would be to let them solve their own problems that >>> have been going on since the Swedes invaded and became Rus. >> >> If you wanted that you should not have guaranteed the Ukrainians >> defence against Russia when they gave up all their nuclear weapons. > > I think this is in reference to the 1994 Trilateral Statement, which is > not a particularly strong security assurance: it only applies in cases > where nuclear weapons are used and the commitment is only to seek UN > Security Council action. > > https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/30922-document-10-january-14-trilateral-statement-january-14-1994 > > (The flaw should have been apparent even at the time: Russia would veto > any proposed UNSC action after nuking Ukraine.) > Nuclear weapons was not a primary objective to the Budapest memorandum. In it Belaurs Ukraine and Khazakstan were guaranteed independence provided they played nice with Russia. Only Russian propgandists claim that the nuclear attack was all that was contained within it >> But we have come to understand that America never makes promises it >> intends to keep. > > Unless there are further assurances somewhere, I don’t think the USA has > broken a promise here by limiting its support for Ukraine (just made a > serious mistake). > Well it depends on how explicit the promises were. The West has allowed the USA to sell it arms and run its defence policy on the understanding that all that money spent on US kit and US bases would actually mean something when the shit hit the fan, and that it would be supported, and work, if a threat to NATO countries were apparent. It turns out that like so much US hardware, it was junk, and would only work if the parent company let it, and could only be serviced by the parent company at huge expense. Think John Deere. Think Microsoft. And all that came out because a corrupt president who owed the Russians his whole existence, used his powers to stop it being used. We are thankful we got the message before it got any further. -- "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them" Margaret Thatcher
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 03:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Z7ycnQ2es6zluwj3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90917 |
On 8/30/26 14:35, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 18:03:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 29/08/2026 23:50, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 23:18:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian >>>> stuff. >>> >>> You obviously have found the wellspring of pro Ukrainian stuff. >> >> Well no, just not obviously pro Russian stuff > > The balanced view would be to let them solve their own problems that have > been going on since the Swedes invaded and became Rus. ?Que? Swedes never really became Rus - at least not for 1500+ years. Different cultures. Different 'takes'. Those who became Rus - SUPER hard-asses. Never, ever, discount what they're willing do do for power/dominance. We've SEEN that in the 20th century, even a little before. Suffer massive MASSIVE casualties and pain to EVENTUALLY destroy the Foe. NEVER assume the Rus will act in what most of the world thinks is a 'sane' manner. That is not their culture and history. Vlad has burned up at LEAST half a million in his war against Ukraine. Russians don't even blink at that. Russia is NOT the UK or USA. HARD-asses in the old meaning.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 12:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1173pkt$s37s$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90942 |
On 31/08/2026 08:00, c186282 wrote: > NEVER assume the Rus will act in what most of the world thinks is a > 'sane' manner. That is not their culture and history. > No, > Vlad has burned up at LEAST half a million in his war against > Ukraine. Dead, yes, permanently disabled, probably another million. He's walked through every cold war tank he ever had, He has gone cap in hand to the N. Koreans for out of date artillery shells. His whole black sea fleet is destroyed and the ports in the sea of Azov are burning. He is down to his last AWACS aircraft. 50% of his oil refineries are off line., 40% of his biggest logistics firm is destroyed. China is quietly building businesses and towns in his far east. > Russians don't even blink at that. Russia is NOT the UK or USA. HE doesn't blink. Russians simply don't know until it affects them personally. It's safer to believe what they are told and look the other way. And no one comes back from the front lines if it can be helped. They are recycled with horrendous wounds until they die, mostly. They aren't allowed mobile phones any more. The internet has been disabled officially. The banking system is teetering on the edge of total collapse. But they are being told that they are winning. Democracy has a lot of problems, but its not THAT bad -- Any fool can believe in principles - and most of them do!
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| From | "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 07:55 +0500 |
| Message-ID | <117063i$uv0v$1@inn.news.oldproto.ru> |
| In reply to | #90858 |
30.08.2026 03:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 29/08/2026 21:04, rbowman wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 10:28:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> RT is Russian state sponsored propaganda. I didn't think you weren't >>> aware of that. >> >> Certainly I'm aware of that, just as I'm aware much of the MSM is either >> government or NGO propaganda. Compare the reports taking in consideration >> the biases and you may glimpse the real story. >> > Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian stuff. > > Its always about how well Russia is doing, and never about the fact that Russia is pretty much on the point of total collapse, threatening nuclear strikes on Britain. Hello from Russia. It is not near 1980s, when USSR where near point of total collapse. The only thing that is happening here, besides Wildberries users (both sellers and buyers) whining is I have to wait for an hour at gasoline station to refuel my car with petrol. >> For example, while some of the articles became more balanced today's hot >> headline was >> >> "Russian strike near Kyiv kills 37, in one of the year's deadliest >> attacks" >> >> https://www.npr.org/2026/08/29/nx-s1-5948714/russian-strike-kyiv >> >> Dastardly attack on civilians! As the story got fleshed out it seems the >> Russians had hit a drone depot that was next to a home for elderly >> citizens. It's not clear how many of the personnel working in the depot >> were killed but as might be expected the facility, chock full of high >> explosives meant for Russian, blew up. >> > I think that is not actually quite correct, buy I haven't fact checked it. > > The fact does remain that Russia bombs Ukraine indiscriminately with no regard for civilian life. > > Ukraine is somewhat more circumspect, but it's war and shit inevitably happens Circumspect? They tried to bomb ME with drone on 6 aug 2024 near Sudzha, when I was evacuating my mother from her house. They surely know that while Volkswagen Polo is a civilian car, I saw their recon drones for last two days near her house flying here and there. Gladly, my car was in perfect condition and I was able to push to 140+kmh speed to evade that drone, which suddenly "reselected" it's target and bombed... Harvester! Such a military target! I was right near wheat field and saw it by my own eyes, between Dolgie Budy and Bushmeno. >> Even Zelensky held a press conference promising to hunt down whoever made >> such a bad decision. It's not the first time civilians have been killed >> when an attack on a legitimate military target in a residential >> neighborhood wound up with dead civilians. >> > The problem is that the Russian kit is simply not accurate, They may claim they are after a military target in the Donbas but it overshot and landed on a block of flats in Kyiv. > I personally don't believe them. Its pure terrorism. And then you'll look at pictures and MOST casualties wearing military form. Or even "better" - Ukraine tries to intercept drone/rocket, but Patriot, built 25+ years before, made a strike in a civilian house. Plenty of reports about Russia hitting civilian building with Iskander/Oreshnik/you_name_it, but photos images much less powerful weapon, like anti-airborne missiles. >> You should be familiar with the process. The air attacks on Coventry's >> heavy industry did damage to the countryside, in part because of the >> success of the plan to decoy the bombers from the factories. That gave >> Lindemann and Bomber Harris the latitude to specifically bomb residential >> areas, dehousing, since it was easier to get rid of the civilian workforce >> than target heavily defended legitimate sites. >> > Accuracy in WWII was to the nearest two miles. Ukrainian drones are hitting individual aircraft on runways and individual distillation towers in oil plants and individual Wildberry warehouses. > > Usually if there is any collateral damage it's because the drones were disabled first and debris fell on civilian areas. > > Russia no longer has access to Starlink, but Ukraine does. Russia never officially has access to Starlink. Local laws requires satellites to transmit signals via stations on ground. And yet how da hell UA hitting civilian buildings like houses and shops (not a big one like Lenta, Ashan or other, something small like SELPO)? They has access to Starlink, high-speed internet connection, they should clearly saw it isn't a military target! > Putin is on the edge of being deposed. His 'elections' are due. He is desperate to be able to say 'NATO attacked us 'and we are winning in Ukraine'. But the banks have closed their doors and people cannot withdraw cash, there is no gasoline West of the Urals and not much diesel, 50% of the distilleries are out of action and nearly all Wildberries warehouses are gone. > Hey, stop being lying. This is just plain wrong propaganda: 1. Plenty of Diesel on every gasoline station, only petroleum (a.k.a. AI-92/AI-95) is a temporary problem. 2. Banks are working, was in Sberbank on Thursday because my MIR card expired. ATMs working fine and, as always, plenty of people near Sberbank ones withdrawing cash and paying mortrages/socials. 2.1. Also, we have MIR Pay now, so Google Pay/Apple Pay disablement isn't a problem at all. 2.2. Also, all banks implemented a way to pay via QR code. 3. Wildberries still delivering without problems, but I prefer OZON. Plenty of their (Wildberries) cars on roads, and big warehouse near my city is working fine. 4. And I can pay for everything everywhere with bank card/MIR Pay/QR code. In Ashan, Lenta or small SELPO shop in 150km from Ekaterinburg. > Putin is hitting civilians because his armaments are mostly crap. The ones that get through - the supersonic ballistic missiles - are simply not very accurate, and the subsonic drones are mostly being shot down, So they are going to miss. Putin doesn't care. He is a war criminal already and a few more civilian lives are not going to change that. > > Ukrainians at least want to be able to appear to be civilised after the war is over. Try to fact-check not only using UK/UA/USA sites. You probably will be very surprised. And also, as always, truth is somewhere between. And WHY this thread still in comp.os.linux.*? Seriously, move it to politics related group. -- WBR, Stanislav Nikitin a.k.a. pztrn.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 02:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <guqcnR4qMryRVA73nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90878 |
On 8/29/26 22:55, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote: > 30.08.2026 03:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 29/08/2026 21:04, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 10:28:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> RT is Russian state sponsored propaganda. I didn't think you weren't >>>> aware of that. >>> >>> Certainly I'm aware of that, just as I'm aware much of the MSM is either >>> government or NGO propaganda. Compare the reports taking in >>> consideration >>> the biases and you may glimpse the real story. >>> >> Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian stuff. >> >> Its always about how well Russia is doing, and never about the fact >> that Russia is pretty much on the point of total collapse, threatening >> nuclear strikes on Britain. > > Hello from Russia. > > It is not near 1980s, when USSR where near point of total collapse. The > only thing that is happening here, besides Wildberries users (both > sellers and buyers) whining is I have to wait for an hour at gasoline > station to refuel my car with petrol. Well, stop invading other countries and things will improve.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 06:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfi108FprcuU70@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90880 |
On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 02:08:55 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Well, stop invading other countries and things will improve. I certainly can agree with that. The US can stop invading countries any time now.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 10:04 +0100 |
| Subject | [OT] Russian Federation, wars (was: Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ?) |
| Message-ID | <1170rms$3u4us$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90878 |
[I've removed the alt.* group for this reply.] On 2026-08-30, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote: > 30.08.2026 03:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 29/08/2026 21:04, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 10:28:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> RT is Russian state sponsored propaganda. I didn't think you weren't >>>> aware of that. >>> >>> Certainly I'm aware of that, just as I'm aware much of the MSM is either >>> government or NGO propaganda. Compare the reports taking in consideration >>> the biases and you may glimpse the real story. >>> >> Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian stuff. >> >> Its always about how well Russia is doing, and never about the fact >> that Russia is pretty much on the point of total collapse, >> threatening nuclear strikes on Britain. > > Hello from Russia. > > It is not near 1980s, when USSR where near point of total > collapse. The only thing that is happening here, besides Wildberries > users (both sellers and buyers) whining is I have to wait for an hour > at gasoline station to refuel my car with petrol. What is causing this, people thinking petrol is going to end soon? If so, good to see that that stupid trend is universal... On April 28, 2025, I did see roads stopped still because some idiots decided the thing to do in the middle of a blackout (and grid bootstrap) was to go refuel like there's no tomorrow. >>> For example, while some of the articles became more balanced today's hot >>> headline was >>> >>> "Russian strike near Kyiv kills 37, in one of the year's deadliest >>> attacks" >>> >>> https://www.npr.org/2026/08/29/nx-s1-5948714/russian-strike-kyiv >>> >>> Dastardly attack on civilians! As the story got fleshed out it seems the >>> Russians had hit a drone depot that was next to a home for elderly >>> citizens. It's not clear how many of the personnel working in the depot >>> were killed but as might be expected the facility, chock full of high >>> explosives meant for Russian, blew up. >>> >> I think that is not actually quite correct, buy I haven't fact checked it. >> >> The fact does remain that Russia bombs Ukraine indiscriminately with >> no regard for civilian life. >> >> Ukraine is somewhat more circumspect, but it's war and shit inevitably happens > > Circumspect? They tried to bomb ME with drone on 6 aug 2024 near I... will focus on drinking my coffee. I spent too long trying to parse "ME". >> Russia no longer has access to Starlink, but Ukraine does. > > Russia never officially has access to Starlink. Local laws requires > satellites to transmit signals via stations on ground. > > And yet how da hell UA hitting civilian buildings like houses and > shops (not a big one like Lenta, Ashan or other, something small like > SELPO)? They has access to Starlink, high-speed internet connection, > they should clearly saw it isn't a military target! Do they? Wasn't it a news item a few months ago that Elon Musk actively hampered Ukraine's access to Starlink in military attacks? (Which, given that the US was clearly aiding Ukraine, might even count as "Treason against the United States" (U.S. Const. Art.III §3)) >> Putin is on the edge of being deposed. His 'elections' are due. He >> is desperate to be able to say 'NATO attacked us 'and we are winning >> in Ukraine'. What? 1) If anything, Russia is repeatedly trying to trigger some reaction from NATO with continuing incidents in Washington Treaty territory. 2) Russia saying others attacked Russia isn't newsworthy at all. It has been consistently a m.o. of Russia through *decades*. See, e.g. the Shelling of Mainila [1], which was fabricated as a casus belli to start the Winter War. In more recent years, this was still a propaganda point within Russia, with Medvedev claiming something along the lines of "Russia or the Soviet Union have never started a war"[2]. I think in the past few months there have been more Article 5-worthy incidents? 3) If elections posed a real threat to his permanence, you'd think he'd have been shown the door several years ago. I mean, I guess things could change... [1] <https://enwp.org/Shelling_of_Mainila> [2] <https://www.is.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000000143646.html> >> But the banks have closed their doors and people cannot >> withdraw cash, there is no gasoline West of the Urals and not much >> diesel, 50% of the distilleries are out of action and nearly all >> Wildberries warehouses are gone. Wild berries the fruit or is this a company? > Hey, stop being lying. This is just plain wrong propaganda: > > 1. Plenty of Diesel on every gasoline station, only petroleum > (a.k.a. AI-92/AI-95) is a temporary problem. > 2. Banks are working, was in Sberbank on Thursday because my MIR card > expired. ATMs working fine and, as always, plenty of people near > Sberbank ones withdrawing cash and paying mortrages/socials. > 2.1. Also, we have MIR Pay now, so Google Pay/Apple Pay disablement > isn't a problem at all. > 2.2. Also, all banks implemented a way to pay via QR code. The problem here is probably more about globalisation, the payment system may be local, but that's no good if you need to do a transaction with a foreign entity which refuses do to such a transfer from/to the Russian Federation. It's good that such systems exist, and bank cards with a national + an international network also aren't new technology (in the current context in Europe, it seems some people might just not be aware that you can have an EMV smartcard on more than one network, - but SIBS has done this for *ages* with Multibanco, meaning you get a card that both works in a national network (SIBS Multibanco) and on one international network (usually Visa or MasterCard)). > 3. Wildberries still delivering without problems, but I prefer > OZON. Plenty of their (Wildberries) cars on roads, and big warehouse > near my city is working fine. > 4. And I can pay for everything everywhere with bank card/MIR Pay/QR > code. In Ashan, Lenta or small SELPO shop in 150km from Ekaterinburg. > >> Putin is hitting civilians because his armaments are mostly >> crap. The ones that get through - the supersonic ballistic missiles >> - are simply not very accurate, and the subsonic drones are mostly >> being shot down, So they are going to miss. Putin doesn't care. He >> is a war criminal already and a few more civilian lives are not >> going to change that. >> >> Ukrainians at least want to be able to appear to be civilised after >> the war is over. > > Try to fact-check not only using UK/UA/USA sites. You probably will be > very surprised. > > And also, as always, truth is somewhere between. (The truth is that the only winning move is not to play. Sadly, that's not always a choice.) > And WHY this thread still in comp.os.linux.*? Seriously, move it to > politics related group. This is actually interesting to read compared to the usual political content that pops up in comp.os.linux.misc, so thanks for that. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 10:22 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars |
| Message-ID | <nfiav4Fc752U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90888 |
Nuno Silva wrote: > Wild berries the fruit or is this a company? Wildberries is "the Russian Amazon" and Ukraine has been bombing the shit out of their warehouses in the past few weeks, justifying it based on them stocking drone components, I have no way of knowing if that's true, but it seems to be the first part of the war that everyday Russians have taken notice of?
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| From | "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 16:13 +0500 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars |
| Message-ID | <117139n$v1cn$1@inn.news.oldproto.ru> |
| In reply to | #90889 |
30.08.2026 14:22, Andy Burns wrote: > Nuno Silva wrote: > >> Wild berries the fruit or is this a company? > > Wildberries is "the Russian Amazon" and Ukraine has been bombing the shit out of their warehouses in the past few weeks, justifying it based on them stocking drone components, I have no way of knowing if that's true, but it seems to be the first part of the war that everyday Russians have taken notice of? I have more interesting thought here - UA tries to do a mirrored response, as Nova Poshta trucks was (and still) used to transfer military equipment and personnel. But why OZON (another "Russian Amazon" thing) warehouses wasn't bombed? Because they're not so popular here, as Wildberries. And why now? Because bombing oils refineries isn't made internal situation as unstable as they hope. -- WBR, Stanislav Nikitin a.k.a. pztrn.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 18:12 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars |
| Message-ID | <1171o91$7umf$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90889 |
On 30/08/2026 10:22, Andy Burns wrote: > Nuno Silva wrote: > >> Wild berries the fruit or is this a company? > > Wildberries is "the Russian Amazon" and Ukraine has been bombing the > shit out of their warehouses in the past few weeks, justifying it based > on them stocking drone components, I have no way of knowing if that's > true, but it seems to be the first part of the war that everyday > Russians have taken notice of? > That and the lack of gasoline and diesel Of course a lot depends on where in over 5000 miles of Russia you actually are. Ukraine is not especially targeting areas well to the east of the Urals. https://fortune.com/2026/08/23/russia-economy-bank-run-deposit-withdrawals-war-funding-military-mobilization/ https://hromadske.ua/en/world/270147-russian-gasoline-output-falls-to-70-of-domestic-demand-after-drone-strikes-reuters etc etc. -- Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill
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| From | "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 16:47 +0500 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars |
| Message-ID | <117158d$v1hn$1@inn.news.oldproto.ru> |
| In reply to | #90888 |
30.08.2026 14:04, Nuno Silva wrote: > [I've removed the alt.* group for this reply.] > > On 2026-08-30, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote: > >> 30.08.2026 03:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 29/08/2026 21:04, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 10:28:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> >>>>> RT is Russian state sponsored propaganda. I didn't think you weren't >>>>> aware of that. >>>> >>>> Certainly I'm aware of that, just as I'm aware much of the MSM is either >>>> government or NGO propaganda. Compare the reports taking in consideration >>>> the biases and you may glimpse the real story. >>>> >>> Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian stuff. >>> >>> Its always about how well Russia is doing, and never about the fact >>> that Russia is pretty much on the point of total collapse, >>> threatening nuclear strikes on Britain. >> >> Hello from Russia. >> >> It is not near 1980s, when USSR where near point of total >> collapse. The only thing that is happening here, besides Wildberries >> users (both sellers and buyers) whining is I have to wait for an hour >> at gasoline station to refuel my car with petrol. > > What is causing this, people thinking petrol is going to end soon? If > so, good to see that that stupid trend is universal... > > On April 28, 2025, I did see roads stopped still because some idiots > decided the thing to do in the middle of a blackout (and grid bootstrap) > was to go refuel like there's no tomorrow. Idiots, they are everywhere. Here we have some idiots that refuels several 100L canisters because "a-a-a-a there will be no fuel soooooon!!!11". That is the case. Even on my last refuel two days ago I saw several of them. > I... will focus on drinking my coffee. I spent too long trying to parse > "ME". Not abbreviation ;) They tries to attack my car with me inside of it, gladly we have good roads here so I can accelerate way beyond limits. > >>> Russia no longer has access to Starlink, but Ukraine does. >> >> Russia never officially has access to Starlink. Local laws requires >> satellites to transmit signals via stations on ground. >> >> And yet how da hell UA hitting civilian buildings like houses and >> shops (not a big one like Lenta, Ashan or other, something small like >> SELPO)? They has access to Starlink, high-speed internet connection, >> they should clearly saw it isn't a military target! > > Do they? Wasn't it a news item a few months ago that Elon Musk actively > hampered Ukraine's access to Starlink in military attacks? (Which, given > that the US was clearly aiding Ukraine, might even count as "Treason > against the United States" (U.S. Const. Art.III §3)) That was typical "give me what I need" from Elon. Cut access, got something, reinstate access. > >>> Putin is on the edge of being deposed. His 'elections' are due. He >>> is desperate to be able to say 'NATO attacked us 'and we are winning >>> in Ukraine'. > > What? > > 1) If anything, Russia is repeatedly trying to trigger some reaction > from NATO with continuing incidents in Washington Treaty territory. Or NATO repeatedly trying to trigged some reaction from Russia. Two-way game ¯⧹_(ツ)_⧸¯. > >>> But the banks have closed their doors and people cannot >>> withdraw cash, there is no gasoline West of the Urals and not much >>> diesel, 50% of the distilleries are out of action and nearly all >>> Wildberries warehouses are gone. > > Wild berries the fruit or is this a company? Company, like Amazon in Russia. > >> Hey, stop being lying. This is just plain wrong propaganda: >> >> 1. Plenty of Diesel on every gasoline station, only petroleum >> (a.k.a. AI-92/AI-95) is a temporary problem. >> 2. Banks are working, was in Sberbank on Thursday because my MIR card >> expired. ATMs working fine and, as always, plenty of people near >> Sberbank ones withdrawing cash and paying mortrages/socials. >> 2.1. Also, we have MIR Pay now, so Google Pay/Apple Pay disablement >> isn't a problem at all. >> 2.2. Also, all banks implemented a way to pay via QR code. > > The problem here is probably more about globalisation, the payment > system may be local, but that's no good if you need to do a transaction > with a foreign entity which refuses do to such a transfer from/to the > Russian Federation. We already have alternatives for foreign transactions, and that alternative isn't a cryptocurrency ;). >>> Putin is hitting civilians because his armaments are mostly >>> crap. The ones that get through - the supersonic ballistic missiles >>> - are simply not very accurate, and the subsonic drones are mostly >>> being shot down, So they are going to miss. Putin doesn't care. He >>> is a war criminal already and a few more civilian lives are not >>> going to change that. >>> >>> Ukrainians at least want to be able to appear to be civilised after >>> the war is over. >> >> Try to fact-check not only using UK/UA/USA sites. You probably will be >> very surprised. >> >> And also, as always, truth is somewhere between. > > (The truth is that the only winning move is not to play. Sadly, that's > not always a choice.) Exactly that was happened in 2022. I think the very last drop in a cup of patience was Zelenskiy's statements about reinstating nuclear weaponry in UA. But, of course, I might be wrong, it can be whole Minsk's agreements violations UA caused for 7 years. Also, EU politics of these times (around mid-2010's) confesses that these Minsk's agreements was a fake to put as much weapons as possible in UA. -- WBR, Stanislav Nikitin a.k.a. pztrn.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 13:58 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nffvrgF3giU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90756 |
On 2026-08-28 14:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 28/08/2026 03:22, c186282 wrote:
>> Salmonella in frozen blueberries. Eh ?
>
> Eggs reared under EU rather than UK rules
>
What's the difference?
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 10:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <116v3rp$3dl25$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90820 |
On 2026-08-29 04:58, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-28 14:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 28/08/2026 03:22, c186282 wrote: >>> Salmonella in frozen blueberries. Eh ? >> >> Eggs reared under EU rather than UK rules >> > > What's the difference? EU rules - and apparently still also UK rules - emphasize keeping chicken farms free of salmonella. This is different from US rules that generally accept that it is economically impossible to keep huge chicken farms salmonella free, so it is the responsibility of consumers to cook check meat well. As I understand the issue at hand (please correct me where I am wrong): Ukraine (like UK) is outside the EU and has looser rules. Normally, EU would keep out food not produced to EU standards, but they gave a waiver to Ukraine in order to support her in the war. When this led to problems, he waiver was rescinded in the EU, but not yet so in the UK. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 22:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nfgt9aF3giU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90833 |
On 2026-08-29 19:11, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 2026-08-29 04:58, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-08-28 14:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 28/08/2026 03:22, c186282 wrote:
>>>> Salmonella in frozen blueberries. Eh ?
>>>
>>> Eggs reared under EU rather than UK rules
>>>
>>
>> What's the difference?
>
> EU rules - and apparently still also UK rules - emphasize keeping
> chicken farms free of salmonella. This is different from US rules that
> generally accept that it is economically impossible to keep huge chicken
> farms salmonella free, so it is the responsibility of consumers to cook
> check meat well.
I thought that it would be about washing or not the eggs. I know that
eggs are washed in the USA (dunno about Canada). In Spain they are not
(I don't know about the EU).
>
> As I understand the issue at hand (please correct me where I am wrong):
>
> Ukraine (like UK) is outside the EU and has looser rules. Normally, EU
> would keep out food not produced to EU standards, but they gave a waiver
> to Ukraine in order to support her in the war. When this led to
> problems, he waiver was rescinded in the EU, but not yet so in the UK.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 23:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfh6urFprcuU67@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90841 |
On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 22:20:58 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > I thought that it would be about washing or not the eggs. I know that > eggs are washed in the USA (dunno about Canada). In Spain they are not > (I don't know about the EU). https://scientificdiscoveries.ars.usda.gov/tellus/stories/articles/how-we- store-our-eggs-and-why Washing eggs is relatively new in the US, 'relatively new' meaning 'in my adult life'. Back in Ye Olde Days eggs were preserved by packing them in wood ash or submerging them in water glass (sodium silicate). Supposedly they were good for a year or more. Cynically, if you want to sell refrigerators to Eskimos and the American housewife you first have to convince them food will rot if not refrigerated within 15 minutes.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 02:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Fdycnej-qMCYVw73nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90871 |
On 8/29/26 19:06, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 22:20:58 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >> I thought that it would be about washing or not the eggs. I know that >> eggs are washed in the USA (dunno about Canada). In Spain they are not >> (I don't know about the EU). > > https://scientificdiscoveries.ars.usda.gov/tellus/stories/articles/how-we- > store-our-eggs-and-why > > Washing eggs is relatively new in the US, 'relatively new' meaning 'in my > adult life'. > > Back in Ye Olde Days eggs were preserved by packing them in wood ash or > submerging them in water glass (sodium silicate). Supposedly they were > good for a year or more. > > Cynically, if you want to sell refrigerators to Eskimos and the American > housewife you first have to convince them food will rot if not > refrigerated within 15 minutes. Hmm ... 'preserved'. If you mean "Won't KILL you" then silicate-sealed eggs might fit the bill. But do NOT expect them to taste very good :-) Modern 'preserved' - MRE's and dehydrated - will last a number of years, maybe a good 10 with dehydrated, but every year the taste gets worse.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 06:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfi1a6FprcuU71@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90882 |
On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 02:14:19 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Hmm ... 'preserved'. If you mean "Won't KILL you" > then silicate-sealed eggs might fit the bill. But do NOT expect them > to taste very good https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_egg Century eggs taste good. I used to get them in an Asian market in Tucson. I can't find them locally although there is a place in Spokane that might have them.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 19:28 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nfj7hpF3glU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90871 |
On 2026-08-30 01:06, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 22:20:58 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> I thought that it would be about washing or not the eggs. I know that
>> eggs are washed in the USA (dunno about Canada). In Spain they are not
>> (I don't know about the EU).
>
> https://scientificdiscoveries.ars.usda.gov/tellus/stories/articles/how-we-
> store-our-eggs-and-why
>
> Washing eggs is relatively new in the US, 'relatively new' meaning 'in my
> adult life'.
>
> Back in Ye Olde Days eggs were preserved by packing them in wood ash or
> submerging them in water glass (sodium silicate). Supposedly they were
> good for a year or more.
WOW! I never heard of that.
> Cynically, if you want to sell refrigerators to Eskimos and the American
> housewife you first have to convince them food will rot if not
> refrigerated within 15 minutes.
{Chuckle}
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 02:15 -0400 |
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On 8/30/26 13:28, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-30 01:06, rbowman wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 22:20:58 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> >>> I thought that it would be about washing or not the eggs. I know that >>> eggs are washed in the USA (dunno about Canada). In Spain they are not >>> (I don't know about the EU). >> >> https://scientificdiscoveries.ars.usda.gov/tellus/stories/articles/ >> how-we- >> store-our-eggs-and-why >> >> Washing eggs is relatively new in the US, 'relatively new' meaning 'in my >> adult life'. >> >> Back in Ye Olde Days eggs were preserved by packing them in wood ash or >> submerging them in water glass (sodium silicate). Supposedly they were >> good for a year or more. > > WOW! I never heard of that. "Wood ash", even I'd never heard of THAT. Wonder how well it worked. Sodium Silicate - yea, it WILL work - kinda "seals the pores". Taste WILL drop off though. Oxygen won't be completely blocked.
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