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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-08-18 01:44 -0400 |
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What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 01:44 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 01:59 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 06:05 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-18 08:10 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-18 11:33 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:16 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:32 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:05 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:23 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:10 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:15 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:53 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 22:54 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-20 10:31 -0300
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:10 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-20 10:30 -0300
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:04 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:01 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:24 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 22:07 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 04:02 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 06:48 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 16:15 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-23 21:52 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 01:07 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:15 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 19:26 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:45 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:39 +0000
Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-25 06:48 -0700
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 15:10 +0100
Re: Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-26 18:04 -0700
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:23 -0400
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 12:09 +0100
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:15 -0400
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 03:21 +0000
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 02:42 -0400
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:15 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:40 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:37 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:13 +0000
Re: Power lines "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-29 21:28 +0100
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:23 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 22:47 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:20 +0100
Re: Power lines "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:43 +0200
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:09 +0100
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:06 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 14:19 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 15:25 +0100
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:24 -0400
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:18 +0100
Re: Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-28 05:56 -0700
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 15:33 +0100
Re: Power lines Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-28 16:06 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:30 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:51 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:39 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:26 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:25 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 01:46 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:50 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:43 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:07 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Enoch Powell <e.powell@tutanatu.kom> - 2026-08-27 10:54 -0600
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 19:11 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Enoch Powell <e.powell@tutanatu.kom> - 2026-08-27 12:57 -0600
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:55 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:25 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:27 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:45 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:02 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-28 16:13 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:32 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 19:38 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:57 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:10 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:55 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 23:34 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-26 04:27 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 08:57 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-27 06:30 -0700
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 13:57 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:22 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:16 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:36 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-28 19:42 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:28 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:04 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:18 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 22:50 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-30 07:55 +0500
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-30 02:08 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:30 +0000
[OT] Russian Federation, wars (was: Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 10:04 +0100
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-30 10:22 +0100
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-30 16:13 +0500
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-30 16:47 +0500
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 13:58 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-29 10:11 -0700
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:20 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 23:06 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-30 02:14 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:35 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:55 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:49 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-27 16:32 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:44 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 12:57 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:03 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 22:24 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:07 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:42 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 02:14 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:13 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:14 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:27 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 16:57 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:02 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 13:54 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 22:21 -0400
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-26 08:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116m68d$e9qm$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90583 |
On 26/08/2026 04:34, c186282 wrote: > Finally, "1000-year Events" seem to be "EVERY-year > events" of late ..... note a repeat of last years > deadly/destructive floods in Texas. On the plus > the el-Nino ought to suppress Atlantic/Gulf > hurricanes for a few years. Well yes, any random event in a year of sufficiently unique character from a set of a thousand is going to be a 'thousand year event' -- For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the very definition of slavery. Jonathan Swift
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-27 06:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <116pe5r$1glhn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90583 |
On 2026-08-25 20:34, c186282 wrote: > Actually, the whole food-supply chain, commercial > and natural, seems kinda FUCKED the past five years. > Never seen so many "urgent recall / Sure Death" > warnings. The CryptoSHIT disease is the least of it. > Fish may still be ok, but you kinda have to live on > the ocean to take full advantage. > > Other odd bit this year - most of the horrible food > diseases seem to be in VEGGIES, not meat. So much > that I'm beginning to suspect something deliberate. Many of the outbreaks of food-borne illnesses over the years seem to be connected to things being processed too early in the supply chain. Who ever thought it would be a good idea for chain restaurants to bring in lettuce shredded at a plant in Mexico and distribute it across half the United States? Rather than to cut up a head of lettuce in the kitchen? I can see pre-shredded lettuce making a little bit of sense in a small family or a single person's kitchen, but in a restaurant? Likewise in years past, burger chains had large outbreaks of E. Coli linked to ground beef being shipped all over. In my old country, ground meats sold in retail stores had to be ground on the store premises and sold within 24 hours. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-27 13:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfau1pFprcuU19@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90681 |
On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 06:30:32 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote: > Likewise in years past, burger chains had large outbreaks of E. Coli > linked to ground beef being shipped all over. In my old country, ground > meats sold in retail stores had to be ground on the store premises and > sold within 24 hours. I can remember when meat was ground on demand from identifiable pieces of meat. A pound of 'ground round' was a bit different from today's super lean product that is only 15% fat. I draw the line at the 'chubs'.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-27 22:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <zX6dnaWqj-d1bQ33nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90681 |
On 8/27/26 09:30, Lars Poulsen wrote: > On 2026-08-25 20:34, c186282 wrote: >> Actually, the whole food-supply chain, commercial >> and natural, seems kinda FUCKED the past five years. >> Never seen so many "urgent recall / Sure Death" >> warnings. The CryptoSHIT disease is the least of it. >> Fish may still be ok, but you kinda have to live on >> the ocean to take full advantage. >> >> Other odd bit this year - most of the horrible food >> diseases seem to be in VEGGIES, not meat. So much >> that I'm beginning to suspect something deliberate. > > Many of the outbreaks of food-borne illnesses over the years seem to be > connected to things being processed too early in the supply chain. Who > ever thought it would be a good idea for chain restaurants to bring in > lettuce shredded at a plant in Mexico and distribute it across half the > United States? Rather than to cut up a head of lettuce in the kitchen? > I can see pre-shredded lettuce making a little bit of sense in a small > family or a single person's kitchen, but in a restaurant? Well ... 'convenience'. > Likewise in years past, burger chains had large outbreaks of E. Coli > linked to ground beef being shipped all over. In my old country, ground > meats sold in retail stores had to be ground on the store premises and > sold within 24 hours. Ground meats did have a rather bad rep. The odd bit is THIS year the reports are almost ALL veggies. Salmonella in frozen blueberries. Eh ?
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-28 13:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116ru75$28guo$19@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90713 |
On 28/08/2026 03:22, c186282 wrote: > Salmonella in frozen blueberries. Eh ? Eggs reared under EU rather than UK rules -- "What do you think about Gay Marriage?" "I don't." "Don't what?" "Think about Gay Marriage."
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-28 18:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfe2pgFprcuU38@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90756 |
On Fri, 28 Aug 2026 13:16:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 28/08/2026 03:22, c186282 wrote: >> Salmonella in frozen blueberries. Eh ? > > Eggs reared under EU rather than UK rules https://www.rt.com/news/644756-uk-eggs-salmonella-ukraine/ The original Telegraph article requires a login so I can't verify. It seems odd since I've read other articles that say the Ukraine is virtually chicken free. https://www.foodagribusiness.world/poultry/russia-destroys-ukraines- poultry-industry I don't eat much chicken but I did grill up some chicken thighs last night. I made sure they were well done.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-28 19:42 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nfe30tFm51qU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90774 |
rbowman wrote: > The original Telegraph article requires a login so I can't verify. It > seems odd since I've read other articles that say the Ukraine is virtually > chicken free. It didn't paywall me, but usually disabling javascript is all that's needed for the Telegraph <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/great-british-fry-up-implicated-in-salmonella-outbreak/>
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 10:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116u8nr$3345j$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90774 |
On 28/08/2026 19:36, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 28 Aug 2026 13:16:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 28/08/2026 03:22, c186282 wrote: >>> Salmonella in frozen blueberries. Eh ? >> >> Eggs reared under EU rather than UK rules > > https://www.rt.com/news/644756-uk-eggs-salmonella-ukraine/ > > The original Telegraph article requires a login so I can't verify. Disable JS after the 'login' comes up > It > seems odd since I've read other articles that say the Ukraine is virtually > chicken free. > RT is Russian state sponsored propaganda. I didn't think you weren't aware of that. AFAIK no one imports eggs from Ukraine. Its outside the EU so they would be subject to tariffs and meeting EU standards Oh. The torygraph says we import MOST of our [imported] eggs from Ukraine. And so does the EU. Color me confused. Back in the day a chicken farmer AND MEP in the EU 'parliament' told me that the problem was that newly admitted nations like Romania and Bulgaria were given a free pass to help them get their hygiene in order, and that waiver was never rescinded. > https://www.foodagribusiness.world/poultry/russia-destroys-ukraines- > poultry-industry > > I don't eat much chicken but I did grill up some chicken thighs last > night. I made sure they were well done. UK reared chicken and eggs are pretty safe. I am not so poor I have to buy cheap -- Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason they are poor. Peter Thompson
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 20:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfgsafFprcuU53@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90812 |
On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 10:28:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > RT is Russian state sponsored propaganda. I didn't think you weren't > aware of that. Certainly I'm aware of that, just as I'm aware much of the MSM is either government or NGO propaganda. Compare the reports taking in consideration the biases and you may glimpse the real story. For example, while some of the articles became more balanced today's hot headline was "Russian strike near Kyiv kills 37, in one of the year's deadliest attacks" https://www.npr.org/2026/08/29/nx-s1-5948714/russian-strike-kyiv Dastardly attack on civilians! As the story got fleshed out it seems the Russians had hit a drone depot that was next to a home for elderly citizens. It's not clear how many of the personnel working in the depot were killed but as might be expected the facility, chock full of high explosives meant for Russian, blew up. Even Zelensky held a press conference promising to hunt down whoever made such a bad decision. It's not the first time civilians have been killed when an attack on a legitimate military target in a residential neighborhood wound up with dead civilians. You should be familiar with the process. The air attacks on Coventry's heavy industry did damage to the countryside, in part because of the success of the plan to decoy the bombers from the factories. That gave Lindemann and Bomber Harris the latitude to specifically bomb residential areas, dehousing, since it was easier to get rid of the civilian workforce than target heavily defended legitimate sites.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 23:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116vlrh$3j6fu$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90838 |
On 29/08/2026 21:04, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 10:28:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> RT is Russian state sponsored propaganda. I didn't think you weren't >> aware of that. > > Certainly I'm aware of that, just as I'm aware much of the MSM is either > government or NGO propaganda. Compare the reports taking in consideration > the biases and you may glimpse the real story. > Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian stuff. Its always about how well Russia is doing, and never about the fact that Russia is pretty much on the point of total collapse, threatening nuclear strikes on Britain. Probably the two best commentators are - surprisingly - Americans . Jake Broe and Paul Warburg on you tube. The Ukra8inin commentators are unsurprisingly more partisan > For example, while some of the articles became more balanced today's hot > headline was > > "Russian strike near Kyiv kills 37, in one of the year's deadliest > attacks" > > https://www.npr.org/2026/08/29/nx-s1-5948714/russian-strike-kyiv > > Dastardly attack on civilians! As the story got fleshed out it seems the > Russians had hit a drone depot that was next to a home for elderly > citizens. It's not clear how many of the personnel working in the depot > were killed but as might be expected the facility, chock full of high > explosives meant for Russian, blew up. > I think that is not actually quite correct, buy I haven't fact checked it. The fact does remain that Russia bombs Ukraine indiscriminately with no regard for civilian life. Ukraine is somewhat more circumspect, but it's war and shit inevitably happens > Even Zelensky held a press conference promising to hunt down whoever made > such a bad decision. It's not the first time civilians have been killed > when an attack on a legitimate military target in a residential > neighborhood wound up with dead civilians. > The problem is that the Russian kit is simply not accurate, They may claim they are after a military target in the Donbas but it overshot and landed on a block of flats in Kyiv. I personally don't believe them. Its pure terrorism. > You should be familiar with the process. The air attacks on Coventry's > heavy industry did damage to the countryside, in part because of the > success of the plan to decoy the bombers from the factories. That gave > Lindemann and Bomber Harris the latitude to specifically bomb residential > areas, dehousing, since it was easier to get rid of the civilian workforce > than target heavily defended legitimate sites. > Accuracy in WWII was to the nearest two miles. Ukrainian drones are hitting individual aircraft on runways and individual distillation towers in oil plants and individual Wildberry warehouses. Usually if there is any collateral damage it's because the drones were disabled first and debris fell on civilian areas. Russia no longer has access to Starlink, but Ukraine does. Putin is on the edge of being deposed. His 'elections' are due. He is desperate to be able to say 'NATO attacked us 'and we are winning in Ukraine'. But the banks have closed their doors and people cannot withdraw cash, there is no gasoline West of the Urals and not much diesel, 50% of the distilleries are out of action and nearly all Wildberries warehouses are gone. Putin is hitting civilians because his armaments are mostly crap. The ones that get through - the supersonic ballistic missiles - are simply not very accurate, and the subsonic drones are mostly being shot down, So they are going to miss. Putin doesn't care. He is a war criminal already and a few more civilian lives are not going to change that. Ukrainians at least want to be able to appear to be civilised after the war is over. -- It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. Mark Twain
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 22:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfh626FprcuU66@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90858 |
On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 23:18:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian stuff. You obviously have found the wellspring of pro Ukrainian stuff.
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| From | "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 07:55 +0500 |
| Message-ID | <117063i$uv0v$1@inn.news.oldproto.ru> |
| In reply to | #90858 |
30.08.2026 03:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 29/08/2026 21:04, rbowman wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 10:28:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> RT is Russian state sponsored propaganda. I didn't think you weren't >>> aware of that. >> >> Certainly I'm aware of that, just as I'm aware much of the MSM is either >> government or NGO propaganda. Compare the reports taking in consideration >> the biases and you may glimpse the real story. >> > Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian stuff. > > Its always about how well Russia is doing, and never about the fact that Russia is pretty much on the point of total collapse, threatening nuclear strikes on Britain. Hello from Russia. It is not near 1980s, when USSR where near point of total collapse. The only thing that is happening here, besides Wildberries users (both sellers and buyers) whining is I have to wait for an hour at gasoline station to refuel my car with petrol. >> For example, while some of the articles became more balanced today's hot >> headline was >> >> "Russian strike near Kyiv kills 37, in one of the year's deadliest >> attacks" >> >> https://www.npr.org/2026/08/29/nx-s1-5948714/russian-strike-kyiv >> >> Dastardly attack on civilians! As the story got fleshed out it seems the >> Russians had hit a drone depot that was next to a home for elderly >> citizens. It's not clear how many of the personnel working in the depot >> were killed but as might be expected the facility, chock full of high >> explosives meant for Russian, blew up. >> > I think that is not actually quite correct, buy I haven't fact checked it. > > The fact does remain that Russia bombs Ukraine indiscriminately with no regard for civilian life. > > Ukraine is somewhat more circumspect, but it's war and shit inevitably happens Circumspect? They tried to bomb ME with drone on 6 aug 2024 near Sudzha, when I was evacuating my mother from her house. They surely know that while Volkswagen Polo is a civilian car, I saw their recon drones for last two days near her house flying here and there. Gladly, my car was in perfect condition and I was able to push to 140+kmh speed to evade that drone, which suddenly "reselected" it's target and bombed... Harvester! Such a military target! I was right near wheat field and saw it by my own eyes, between Dolgie Budy and Bushmeno. >> Even Zelensky held a press conference promising to hunt down whoever made >> such a bad decision. It's not the first time civilians have been killed >> when an attack on a legitimate military target in a residential >> neighborhood wound up with dead civilians. >> > The problem is that the Russian kit is simply not accurate, They may claim they are after a military target in the Donbas but it overshot and landed on a block of flats in Kyiv. > I personally don't believe them. Its pure terrorism. And then you'll look at pictures and MOST casualties wearing military form. Or even "better" - Ukraine tries to intercept drone/rocket, but Patriot, built 25+ years before, made a strike in a civilian house. Plenty of reports about Russia hitting civilian building with Iskander/Oreshnik/you_name_it, but photos images much less powerful weapon, like anti-airborne missiles. >> You should be familiar with the process. The air attacks on Coventry's >> heavy industry did damage to the countryside, in part because of the >> success of the plan to decoy the bombers from the factories. That gave >> Lindemann and Bomber Harris the latitude to specifically bomb residential >> areas, dehousing, since it was easier to get rid of the civilian workforce >> than target heavily defended legitimate sites. >> > Accuracy in WWII was to the nearest two miles. Ukrainian drones are hitting individual aircraft on runways and individual distillation towers in oil plants and individual Wildberry warehouses. > > Usually if there is any collateral damage it's because the drones were disabled first and debris fell on civilian areas. > > Russia no longer has access to Starlink, but Ukraine does. Russia never officially has access to Starlink. Local laws requires satellites to transmit signals via stations on ground. And yet how da hell UA hitting civilian buildings like houses and shops (not a big one like Lenta, Ashan or other, something small like SELPO)? They has access to Starlink, high-speed internet connection, they should clearly saw it isn't a military target! > Putin is on the edge of being deposed. His 'elections' are due. He is desperate to be able to say 'NATO attacked us 'and we are winning in Ukraine'. But the banks have closed their doors and people cannot withdraw cash, there is no gasoline West of the Urals and not much diesel, 50% of the distilleries are out of action and nearly all Wildberries warehouses are gone. > Hey, stop being lying. This is just plain wrong propaganda: 1. Plenty of Diesel on every gasoline station, only petroleum (a.k.a. AI-92/AI-95) is a temporary problem. 2. Banks are working, was in Sberbank on Thursday because my MIR card expired. ATMs working fine and, as always, plenty of people near Sberbank ones withdrawing cash and paying mortrages/socials. 2.1. Also, we have MIR Pay now, so Google Pay/Apple Pay disablement isn't a problem at all. 2.2. Also, all banks implemented a way to pay via QR code. 3. Wildberries still delivering without problems, but I prefer OZON. Plenty of their (Wildberries) cars on roads, and big warehouse near my city is working fine. 4. And I can pay for everything everywhere with bank card/MIR Pay/QR code. In Ashan, Lenta or small SELPO shop in 150km from Ekaterinburg. > Putin is hitting civilians because his armaments are mostly crap. The ones that get through - the supersonic ballistic missiles - are simply not very accurate, and the subsonic drones are mostly being shot down, So they are going to miss. Putin doesn't care. He is a war criminal already and a few more civilian lives are not going to change that. > > Ukrainians at least want to be able to appear to be civilised after the war is over. Try to fact-check not only using UK/UA/USA sites. You probably will be very surprised. And also, as always, truth is somewhere between. And WHY this thread still in comp.os.linux.*? Seriously, move it to politics related group. -- WBR, Stanislav Nikitin a.k.a. pztrn.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 02:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <guqcnR4qMryRVA73nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90878 |
On 8/29/26 22:55, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote: > 30.08.2026 03:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 29/08/2026 21:04, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 10:28:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> RT is Russian state sponsored propaganda. I didn't think you weren't >>>> aware of that. >>> >>> Certainly I'm aware of that, just as I'm aware much of the MSM is either >>> government or NGO propaganda. Compare the reports taking in >>> consideration >>> the biases and you may glimpse the real story. >>> >> Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian stuff. >> >> Its always about how well Russia is doing, and never about the fact >> that Russia is pretty much on the point of total collapse, threatening >> nuclear strikes on Britain. > > Hello from Russia. > > It is not near 1980s, when USSR where near point of total collapse. The > only thing that is happening here, besides Wildberries users (both > sellers and buyers) whining is I have to wait for an hour at gasoline > station to refuel my car with petrol. Well, stop invading other countries and things will improve.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 06:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfi108FprcuU70@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90880 |
On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 02:08:55 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Well, stop invading other countries and things will improve. I certainly can agree with that. The US can stop invading countries any time now.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 10:04 +0100 |
| Subject | [OT] Russian Federation, wars (was: Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ?) |
| Message-ID | <1170rms$3u4us$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90878 |
[I've removed the alt.* group for this reply.] On 2026-08-30, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote: > 30.08.2026 03:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 29/08/2026 21:04, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 10:28:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> RT is Russian state sponsored propaganda. I didn't think you weren't >>>> aware of that. >>> >>> Certainly I'm aware of that, just as I'm aware much of the MSM is either >>> government or NGO propaganda. Compare the reports taking in consideration >>> the biases and you may glimpse the real story. >>> >> Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian stuff. >> >> Its always about how well Russia is doing, and never about the fact >> that Russia is pretty much on the point of total collapse, >> threatening nuclear strikes on Britain. > > Hello from Russia. > > It is not near 1980s, when USSR where near point of total > collapse. The only thing that is happening here, besides Wildberries > users (both sellers and buyers) whining is I have to wait for an hour > at gasoline station to refuel my car with petrol. What is causing this, people thinking petrol is going to end soon? If so, good to see that that stupid trend is universal... On April 28, 2025, I did see roads stopped still because some idiots decided the thing to do in the middle of a blackout (and grid bootstrap) was to go refuel like there's no tomorrow. >>> For example, while some of the articles became more balanced today's hot >>> headline was >>> >>> "Russian strike near Kyiv kills 37, in one of the year's deadliest >>> attacks" >>> >>> https://www.npr.org/2026/08/29/nx-s1-5948714/russian-strike-kyiv >>> >>> Dastardly attack on civilians! As the story got fleshed out it seems the >>> Russians had hit a drone depot that was next to a home for elderly >>> citizens. It's not clear how many of the personnel working in the depot >>> were killed but as might be expected the facility, chock full of high >>> explosives meant for Russian, blew up. >>> >> I think that is not actually quite correct, buy I haven't fact checked it. >> >> The fact does remain that Russia bombs Ukraine indiscriminately with >> no regard for civilian life. >> >> Ukraine is somewhat more circumspect, but it's war and shit inevitably happens > > Circumspect? They tried to bomb ME with drone on 6 aug 2024 near I... will focus on drinking my coffee. I spent too long trying to parse "ME". >> Russia no longer has access to Starlink, but Ukraine does. > > Russia never officially has access to Starlink. Local laws requires > satellites to transmit signals via stations on ground. > > And yet how da hell UA hitting civilian buildings like houses and > shops (not a big one like Lenta, Ashan or other, something small like > SELPO)? They has access to Starlink, high-speed internet connection, > they should clearly saw it isn't a military target! Do they? Wasn't it a news item a few months ago that Elon Musk actively hampered Ukraine's access to Starlink in military attacks? (Which, given that the US was clearly aiding Ukraine, might even count as "Treason against the United States" (U.S. Const. Art.III §3)) >> Putin is on the edge of being deposed. His 'elections' are due. He >> is desperate to be able to say 'NATO attacked us 'and we are winning >> in Ukraine'. What? 1) If anything, Russia is repeatedly trying to trigger some reaction from NATO with continuing incidents in Washington Treaty territory. 2) Russia saying others attacked Russia isn't newsworthy at all. It has been consistently a m.o. of Russia through *decades*. See, e.g. the Shelling of Mainila [1], which was fabricated as a casus belli to start the Winter War. In more recent years, this was still a propaganda point within Russia, with Medvedev claiming something along the lines of "Russia or the Soviet Union have never started a war"[2]. I think in the past few months there have been more Article 5-worthy incidents? 3) If elections posed a real threat to his permanence, you'd think he'd have been shown the door several years ago. I mean, I guess things could change... [1] <https://enwp.org/Shelling_of_Mainila> [2] <https://www.is.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000000143646.html> >> But the banks have closed their doors and people cannot >> withdraw cash, there is no gasoline West of the Urals and not much >> diesel, 50% of the distilleries are out of action and nearly all >> Wildberries warehouses are gone. Wild berries the fruit or is this a company? > Hey, stop being lying. This is just plain wrong propaganda: > > 1. Plenty of Diesel on every gasoline station, only petroleum > (a.k.a. AI-92/AI-95) is a temporary problem. > 2. Banks are working, was in Sberbank on Thursday because my MIR card > expired. ATMs working fine and, as always, plenty of people near > Sberbank ones withdrawing cash and paying mortrages/socials. > 2.1. Also, we have MIR Pay now, so Google Pay/Apple Pay disablement > isn't a problem at all. > 2.2. Also, all banks implemented a way to pay via QR code. The problem here is probably more about globalisation, the payment system may be local, but that's no good if you need to do a transaction with a foreign entity which refuses do to such a transfer from/to the Russian Federation. It's good that such systems exist, and bank cards with a national + an international network also aren't new technology (in the current context in Europe, it seems some people might just not be aware that you can have an EMV smartcard on more than one network, - but SIBS has done this for *ages* with Multibanco, meaning you get a card that both works in a national network (SIBS Multibanco) and on one international network (usually Visa or MasterCard)). > 3. Wildberries still delivering without problems, but I prefer > OZON. Plenty of their (Wildberries) cars on roads, and big warehouse > near my city is working fine. > 4. And I can pay for everything everywhere with bank card/MIR Pay/QR > code. In Ashan, Lenta or small SELPO shop in 150km from Ekaterinburg. > >> Putin is hitting civilians because his armaments are mostly >> crap. The ones that get through - the supersonic ballistic missiles >> - are simply not very accurate, and the subsonic drones are mostly >> being shot down, So they are going to miss. Putin doesn't care. He >> is a war criminal already and a few more civilian lives are not >> going to change that. >> >> Ukrainians at least want to be able to appear to be civilised after >> the war is over. > > Try to fact-check not only using UK/UA/USA sites. You probably will be > very surprised. > > And also, as always, truth is somewhere between. (The truth is that the only winning move is not to play. Sadly, that's not always a choice.) > And WHY this thread still in comp.os.linux.*? Seriously, move it to > politics related group. This is actually interesting to read compared to the usual political content that pops up in comp.os.linux.misc, so thanks for that. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 10:22 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars |
| Message-ID | <nfiav4Fc752U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90888 |
Nuno Silva wrote: > Wild berries the fruit or is this a company? Wildberries is "the Russian Amazon" and Ukraine has been bombing the shit out of their warehouses in the past few weeks, justifying it based on them stocking drone components, I have no way of knowing if that's true, but it seems to be the first part of the war that everyday Russians have taken notice of?
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| From | "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 16:13 +0500 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars |
| Message-ID | <117139n$v1cn$1@inn.news.oldproto.ru> |
| In reply to | #90889 |
30.08.2026 14:22, Andy Burns wrote: > Nuno Silva wrote: > >> Wild berries the fruit or is this a company? > > Wildberries is "the Russian Amazon" and Ukraine has been bombing the shit out of their warehouses in the past few weeks, justifying it based on them stocking drone components, I have no way of knowing if that's true, but it seems to be the first part of the war that everyday Russians have taken notice of? I have more interesting thought here - UA tries to do a mirrored response, as Nova Poshta trucks was (and still) used to transfer military equipment and personnel. But why OZON (another "Russian Amazon" thing) warehouses wasn't bombed? Because they're not so popular here, as Wildberries. And why now? Because bombing oils refineries isn't made internal situation as unstable as they hope. -- WBR, Stanislav Nikitin a.k.a. pztrn.
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| From | "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 16:47 +0500 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars |
| Message-ID | <117158d$v1hn$1@inn.news.oldproto.ru> |
| In reply to | #90888 |
30.08.2026 14:04, Nuno Silva wrote: > [I've removed the alt.* group for this reply.] > > On 2026-08-30, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote: > >> 30.08.2026 03:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 29/08/2026 21:04, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 10:28:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> >>>>> RT is Russian state sponsored propaganda. I didn't think you weren't >>>>> aware of that. >>>> >>>> Certainly I'm aware of that, just as I'm aware much of the MSM is either >>>> government or NGO propaganda. Compare the reports taking in consideration >>>> the biases and you may glimpse the real story. >>>> >>> Most UK media doesn't report at all, or only reports pro Russian stuff. >>> >>> Its always about how well Russia is doing, and never about the fact >>> that Russia is pretty much on the point of total collapse, >>> threatening nuclear strikes on Britain. >> >> Hello from Russia. >> >> It is not near 1980s, when USSR where near point of total >> collapse. The only thing that is happening here, besides Wildberries >> users (both sellers and buyers) whining is I have to wait for an hour >> at gasoline station to refuel my car with petrol. > > What is causing this, people thinking petrol is going to end soon? If > so, good to see that that stupid trend is universal... > > On April 28, 2025, I did see roads stopped still because some idiots > decided the thing to do in the middle of a blackout (and grid bootstrap) > was to go refuel like there's no tomorrow. Idiots, they are everywhere. Here we have some idiots that refuels several 100L canisters because "a-a-a-a there will be no fuel soooooon!!!11". That is the case. Even on my last refuel two days ago I saw several of them. > I... will focus on drinking my coffee. I spent too long trying to parse > "ME". Not abbreviation ;) They tries to attack my car with me inside of it, gladly we have good roads here so I can accelerate way beyond limits. > >>> Russia no longer has access to Starlink, but Ukraine does. >> >> Russia never officially has access to Starlink. Local laws requires >> satellites to transmit signals via stations on ground. >> >> And yet how da hell UA hitting civilian buildings like houses and >> shops (not a big one like Lenta, Ashan or other, something small like >> SELPO)? They has access to Starlink, high-speed internet connection, >> they should clearly saw it isn't a military target! > > Do they? Wasn't it a news item a few months ago that Elon Musk actively > hampered Ukraine's access to Starlink in military attacks? (Which, given > that the US was clearly aiding Ukraine, might even count as "Treason > against the United States" (U.S. Const. Art.III §3)) That was typical "give me what I need" from Elon. Cut access, got something, reinstate access. > >>> Putin is on the edge of being deposed. His 'elections' are due. He >>> is desperate to be able to say 'NATO attacked us 'and we are winning >>> in Ukraine'. > > What? > > 1) If anything, Russia is repeatedly trying to trigger some reaction > from NATO with continuing incidents in Washington Treaty territory. Or NATO repeatedly trying to trigged some reaction from Russia. Two-way game ¯⧹_(ツ)_⧸¯. > >>> But the banks have closed their doors and people cannot >>> withdraw cash, there is no gasoline West of the Urals and not much >>> diesel, 50% of the distilleries are out of action and nearly all >>> Wildberries warehouses are gone. > > Wild berries the fruit or is this a company? Company, like Amazon in Russia. > >> Hey, stop being lying. This is just plain wrong propaganda: >> >> 1. Plenty of Diesel on every gasoline station, only petroleum >> (a.k.a. AI-92/AI-95) is a temporary problem. >> 2. Banks are working, was in Sberbank on Thursday because my MIR card >> expired. ATMs working fine and, as always, plenty of people near >> Sberbank ones withdrawing cash and paying mortrages/socials. >> 2.1. Also, we have MIR Pay now, so Google Pay/Apple Pay disablement >> isn't a problem at all. >> 2.2. Also, all banks implemented a way to pay via QR code. > > The problem here is probably more about globalisation, the payment > system may be local, but that's no good if you need to do a transaction > with a foreign entity which refuses do to such a transfer from/to the > Russian Federation. We already have alternatives for foreign transactions, and that alternative isn't a cryptocurrency ;). >>> Putin is hitting civilians because his armaments are mostly >>> crap. The ones that get through - the supersonic ballistic missiles >>> - are simply not very accurate, and the subsonic drones are mostly >>> being shot down, So they are going to miss. Putin doesn't care. He >>> is a war criminal already and a few more civilian lives are not >>> going to change that. >>> >>> Ukrainians at least want to be able to appear to be civilised after >>> the war is over. >> >> Try to fact-check not only using UK/UA/USA sites. You probably will be >> very surprised. >> >> And also, as always, truth is somewhere between. > > (The truth is that the only winning move is not to play. Sadly, that's > not always a choice.) Exactly that was happened in 2022. I think the very last drop in a cup of patience was Zelenskiy's statements about reinstating nuclear weaponry in UA. But, of course, I might be wrong, it can be whole Minsk's agreements violations UA caused for 7 years. Also, EU politics of these times (around mid-2010's) confesses that these Minsk's agreements was a fake to put as much weapons as possible in UA. -- WBR, Stanislav Nikitin a.k.a. pztrn.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 13:58 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nffvrgF3giU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90756 |
On 2026-08-28 14:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 28/08/2026 03:22, c186282 wrote:
>> Salmonella in frozen blueberries. Eh ?
>
> Eggs reared under EU rather than UK rules
>
What's the difference?
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 10:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <116v3rp$3dl25$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90820 |
On 2026-08-29 04:58, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-28 14:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 28/08/2026 03:22, c186282 wrote: >>> Salmonella in frozen blueberries. Eh ? >> >> Eggs reared under EU rather than UK rules >> > > What's the difference? EU rules - and apparently still also UK rules - emphasize keeping chicken farms free of salmonella. This is different from US rules that generally accept that it is economically impossible to keep huge chicken farms salmonella free, so it is the responsibility of consumers to cook check meat well. As I understand the issue at hand (please correct me where I am wrong): Ukraine (like UK) is outside the EU and has looser rules. Normally, EU would keep out food not produced to EU standards, but they gave a waiver to Ukraine in order to support her in the war. When this led to problems, he waiver was rescinded in the EU, but not yet so in the UK. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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