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  What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 01:44 -0400
    Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 01:59 -0400
    Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 06:05 +0000
      Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-18 08:10 +0000
        Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-18 11:33 +0100
        Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:16 -0400
          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:32 +0000
            Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:05 +0100
              Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:23 +0000
                Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:10 +0000
                Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:15 +0100
                  Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:53 +0000
                    Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 22:54 +0000
                      Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-20 10:31 -0300
                        Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:10 +0100
                    Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-20 10:30 -0300
                      Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:04 +0000
              Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:01 +0000
                Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:24 +0100
                  Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 22:07 +0000
                  Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 04:02 +0000
                    Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 06:48 +0000
                      Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 16:15 +0000
                        Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-23 21:52 +0000
                          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 01:07 +0000
                            Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:15 +0100
                              Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 19:26 +0000
                                Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:45 +0100
                                  Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:39 +0000
                                Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-25 06:48 -0700
                                  Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 15:10 +0100
                                    Re: Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-26 18:04 -0700
                                      Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:23 -0400
                                        Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 12:09 +0100
                                          Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:15 -0400
                                            Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 03:21 +0000
                                              Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 02:42 -0400
                                                Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:15 +0100
                                                Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:40 +0000
                                                  Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:37 +0100
                                              Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:09 +0100
                                            Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:06 +0100
                                        Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 14:19 +0000
                                          Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 15:25 +0100
                                          Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:24 -0400
                                            Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:18 +0100
                                              Re: Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-28 05:56 -0700
                                                Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 15:33 +0100
                                                  Re: Power lines Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-28 16:06 +0000
                                                    Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:30 +0100
                                                Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:51 +0000
                                                  Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:39 +0100
                              Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 01:46 -0400
                                Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:50 +0100
                                  Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:43 +0000
                                    Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:07 -0400
                                      Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Enoch Powell <e.powell@tutanatu.kom> - 2026-08-27 10:54 -0600
                                        Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 19:11 +0100
                                          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Enoch Powell <e.powell@tutanatu.kom> - 2026-08-27 12:57 -0600
                                            Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:55 +0100
                                              Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:25 +0000
                                          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:27 +0100
                                            Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:45 -0400
                                            Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:02 +0100
                                              Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-28 16:13 +0000
                                                Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:32 +0100
                                        Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:55 -0400
                                  Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 23:34 -0400
                                    Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-26 04:27 +0000
                                    Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 08:57 +0100
                                    Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-27 06:30 -0700
                                      Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 13:57 +0000
                                      Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:22 -0400
                                        Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:16 +0100
                                          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:36 +0000
                                            Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-28 19:42 +0100
                                            Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:28 +0100
                                          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 13:58 +0200
                                Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-27 16:32 +0100
                                  Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:44 -0400
          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 12:57 +0000
          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:03 +0100
            Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 22:24 -0400
      Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:07 -0400
        Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:42 +0000
          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 02:14 -0400
          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:13 +0100
            Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:14 +0000
              Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:27 +0100
                Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 16:57 +0000
        Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:02 +0100
          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 13:54 +0000
          Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 22:21 -0400

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#90320

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 19/08/2026 15:01, rbowman wrote:
>> This state is 147,000 square miles with about 1 million people.  
>> Great Britain is 80.000 square miles with 67 million people.
> 
> 
> BUT If you have a bit of kit that can dig a ditch, and a reel of 
> optical fibre, and friendly neighbours who might even kick in a few 
> dollars, you can fibre up your own area, and make a localised ISP 
> that buts bulk broadband off a big carrier
> 
> Then when it shows profit sell it to the big ISP

The problem there is often the need for "friendly neighbours".  With 
private property rights what they are in the USA, "fibreing up your own 
area" can become a morass of needing multitudes of legal easements in 
order to run the "Ditch Witch" around fibreing up the area.  That, or 
the "Ditch Witch" is restricted to burying only alongside the 
state/county roads, which can still leave the terminus of that fibre a 
good distance from the homes that are on the other ends of all the 
private roads that turn off the few state or county roads.

And even running alongside the state/county owned roads often needs 
multitudes of permits and permissions from the state/county public 
works groups before you'd be allowed to bury the fibre.

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#90327

On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 04:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:

> The problem there is often the need for "friendly neighbours".  With
> private property rights what they are in the USA, "fibreing up your own
> area" can become a morass of needing multitudes of legal easements in
> order to run the "Ditch Witch" around fibreing up the area.  That, or
> the "Ditch Witch" is restricted to burying only alongside the
> state/county roads, which can still leave the terminus of that fibre a
> good distance from the homes that are on the other ends of all the
> private roads that turn off the few state or county roads.

As an added bonus an irrigation ditch runs along the county road with many 
homes on the far side. It passes under the driveways in a culvert. That 
would add more expense. 

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#90344

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 04:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:
> 
>> The problem there is often the need for "friendly neighbours".  With
>> private property rights what they are in the USA, "fibreing up your own
>> area" can become a morass of needing multitudes of legal easements in
>> order to run the "Ditch Witch" around fibreing up the area.  That, or
>> the "Ditch Witch" is restricted to burying only alongside the
>> state/county roads, which can still leave the terminus of that fibre a
>> good distance from the homes that are on the other ends of all the
>> private roads that turn off the few state or county roads.
> 
> As an added bonus an irrigation ditch runs along the county road with many 
> homes on the far side. It passes under the driveways in a culvert. That 
> would add more expense. 

Yep, indeed.  And likely three different additional permits, five 
seperate inspections, and an environmental impact statement regarding 
impacts on the water in the ditch from Ditch Witching under the 
irrigation ditch to wire up the homes.

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#90413

At Sat, 22 Aug 2026 16:15:58 -0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 04:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:
> > 
> >> The problem there is often the need for "friendly neighbours".  With
> >> private property rights what they are in the USA, "fibreing up your own
> >> area" can become a morass of needing multitudes of legal easements in
> >> order to run the "Ditch Witch" around fibreing up the area.  That, or
> >> the "Ditch Witch" is restricted to burying only alongside the
> >> state/county roads, which can still leave the terminus of that fibre a
> >> good distance from the homes that are on the other ends of all the
> >> private roads that turn off the few state or county roads.
> > 
> > As an added bonus an irrigation ditch runs along the county road with many 
> > homes on the far side. It passes under the driveways in a culvert. That 
> > would add more expense. 
> 
> Yep, indeed.  And likely three different additional permits, five 
> seperate inspections, and an environmental impact statement regarding 
> impacts on the water in the ditch from Ditch Witching under the 
> irrigation ditch to wire up the homes.

FFS, the way to do this is aerial fiber on power poles.

(Power poles go everywhere.)

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#90420

On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 21:52:35 +0000, vallor wrote:

> At Sat, 22 Aug 2026 16:15:58 -0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> > On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 04:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:
>> > 
>> >> The problem there is often the need for "friendly neighbours".  With
>> >> private property rights what they are in the USA, "fibreing up your
>> >> own area" can become a morass of needing multitudes of legal
>> >> easements in order to run the "Ditch Witch" around fibreing up the
>> >> area.  That, or the "Ditch Witch" is restricted to burying only
>> >> alongside the state/county roads, which can still leave the terminus
>> >> of that fibre a good distance from the homes that are on the other
>> >> ends of all the private roads that turn off the few state or county
>> >> roads.
>> > 
>> > As an added bonus an irrigation ditch runs along the county road with
>> > many homes on the far side. It passes under the driveways in a
>> > culvert. That would add more expense.
>> 
>> Yep, indeed.  And likely three different additional permits, five
>> seperate inspections, and an environmental impact statement regarding
>> impacts on the water in the ditch from Ditch Witching under the
>> irrigation ditch to wire up the homes.
> 
> FFS, the way to do this is aerial fiber on power poles.
> 
> (Power poles go everywhere.)

That would seem feasible but they certainly do a lot of digging to lay 
fiber, at least the thick orange trunk lines. 

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#90448

On 24/08/2026 02:07, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 21:52:35 +0000, vallor wrote:
> 
>> At Sat, 22 Aug 2026 16:15:58 -0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 04:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The problem there is often the need for "friendly neighbours".  With
>>>>> private property rights what they are in the USA, "fibreing up your
>>>>> own area" can become a morass of needing multitudes of legal
>>>>> easements in order to run the "Ditch Witch" around fibreing up the
>>>>> area.  That, or the "Ditch Witch" is restricted to burying only
>>>>> alongside the state/county roads, which can still leave the terminus
>>>>> of that fibre a good distance from the homes that are on the other
>>>>> ends of all the private roads that turn off the few state or county
>>>>> roads.
>>>>
>>>> As an added bonus an irrigation ditch runs along the county road with
>>>> many homes on the far side. It passes under the driveways in a
>>>> culvert. That would add more expense.
>>>
>>> Yep, indeed.  And likely three different additional permits, five
>>> seperate inspections, and an environmental impact statement regarding
>>> impacts on the water in the ditch from Ditch Witching under the
>>> irrigation ditch to wire up the homes.
>>
>> FFS, the way to do this is aerial fiber on power poles.
>>
>> (Power poles go everywhere.)
> 
> That would seem feasible but they certainly do a lot of digging to lay
> fiber, at least the thick orange trunk lines.
> 

The trouble with overhead anything is that it is extremely vulnerable to 
weather.
Although my part of the local 11kV ring is underground other parts are 
not and tree damage to the lines results in more than a few power cuts 
every year.

It actually costs more than undergrounding would, but there is no 
capitall budget to fix it.


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#90461

On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 11:15:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> The trouble with overhead anything is that it is extremely vulnerable to
> weather.
> Although my part of the local 11kV ring is underground other parts are
> not and tree damage to the lines results in more than a few power cuts
> every year.

In July 2024 we had a derecho with winds over 100 mph. About 25,000 people 
lost power; mine was out for 6 days. In many areas Ponderosa pines fell 
across the lines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_ponderosa

They very large tree with a surprisingly shallow root system. Even one of 
the irrigation ditches was closed for close to a year because the root 
balls of the fallen trees affected the integrity of the ditch.

It wasn't all trees. I'd have to count them but on one road close to me I 
think 8 power poles were down. I imagine one went and the rest became 
dominoes. 

A derecho is rare, but outages during less severe storms, both summer and 
winter, are common.

The high tension distribution network often runs through rugged 
mountainous terrain and is susceptible to wild fire.

An immense amount of power, phone, and cable is hung from poles but new 
runs are buried in most cases. Some of the new technology is interesting. 
When they put in a new run close to where I worked they used remote 
controlled microtunneling equipment. Many of the photos with articles 
about microtunneling show bores measured in feet. Perhaps this was 
nanotunneling since the head was less than one foot.  

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#90512

On 24/08/2026 20:26, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 11:15:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> The trouble with overhead anything is that it is extremely vulnerable to
>> weather.
>> Although my part of the local 11kV ring is underground other parts are
>> not and tree damage to the lines results in more than a few power cuts
>> every year.
> 
> In July 2024 we had a derecho with winds over 100 mph. About 25,000 people
> lost power; mine was out for 6 days. In many areas Ponderosa pines fell
> across the lines.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_ponderosa
> 
> They very large tree with a surprisingly shallow root system. Even one of
> the irrigation ditches was closed for close to a year because the root
> balls of the fallen trees affected the integrity of the ditch.
> 
> It wasn't all trees. I'd have to count them but on one road close to me I
> think 8 power poles were down. I imagine one went and the rest became
> dominoes.
> 
> A derecho is rare, but outages during less severe storms, both summer and
> winter, are common.
> 
> The high tension distribution network often runs through rugged
> mountainous terrain and is susceptible to wild fire.
> 
> An immense amount of power, phone, and cable is hung from poles but new
> runs are buried in most cases. Some of the new technology is interesting.
> When they put in a new run close to where I worked they used remote
> controlled microtunneling equipment. Many of the photos with articles
> about microtunneling show bores measured in feet. Perhaps this was
> nanotunneling since the head was less than one foot.

I think I'd like your place. Yes. sometimes they can drag a mole through 
the soils and lay conduit. Or armoured cables. The 11KV is not ducted, 
just wrist sized armoured cables laid side by side in 3 phases. Red 
Yellow and Blue.

Its gradually replacing the overheads. They dont install any overheads 
at all any more. Not for anything except maybe the last 50 yards across 
the street to the house

That's one of the problems for rural areas. Policy forbids *new* overheads

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#90554

On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 11:45:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> That's one of the problems for rural areas. Policy forbids *new*
> overheads

It's the opposite where I am. The city forbids a lot of things but once 
you cross the line into the county it's the Wild West. You can tell where 
the boundaries are around the 4th of July and New Years -- the fireworks 
stands are on the county side. 

The city is 32 out of 2618 square miles. One of the more remote parts of 
the county is talking about seceding. 

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#90536 — Power lines

On 2026-08-24 12:26, rbowman wrote:
 > ...> On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 11:15:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> The high tension distribution network often runs through rugged
> mountainous terrain and is susceptible to wild fire.
> 
> An immense amount of power, phone, and cable is hung from poles but new
> runs are buried in most cases. Some of the new technology is interesting.
> When they put in a new run close to where I worked they used remote
> controlled microtunneling equipment. Many of the photos with articles
> about microtunneling show bores measured in feet. Perhaps this was
> nanotunneling since the head was less than one foot.

Around here, the high-voltage lines run through the "foothills" (a 4000 
foot / 1200m coastal mountain range) with long spans across canyons. 
Some sections on the front (coastal) side of the range, some through the 
wilderness on the back side. These are vulnerable.

In high winds, the wires swing and may occasionally touch and spark and 
create severe transients that can blow out transformers along the line, 
and also start wildfires. When a wildfire burns near or under the line, 
the wires grow longer and arcing brings the line down.

As I understand it, the entire supply to our 150,000+ urban area comes 
in across the mountain, the lines on the coastal side is only for 
local/regional distribution. This is not a reliable supply, so we need a 
spare/emergency generator in town, but nobody wants it in their 
neighborhood; they cry "toxic fumes".

In this terrain, you can't bury lines along the existing route. We 
really need to run a set of new transmission lines along the existing 
traffic corridor along the coast, but they forgot to reserve space, even 
for a second railroad track, and now you would have to buy up a lot of 
expensive properties to create space for expanding the rail/road/power 
infrastructure.

-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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#90537 — Re: Power lines

On 25/08/2026 14:48, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> In this terrain, you can't bury lines along the existing route. We 
> really need to run a set of new transmission lines along the existing 
> traffic corridor along the coast, but they forgot to reserve space, even 
> for a second railroad track, and now you would have to buy up a lot of 
> expensive properties to create space for expanding the rail/road/power 
> infrastructure.

You can run a pretty decent HV link over or under the side of a railway 
track

In the UK the railway company has tons of optical fibre running down the 
side of the tracks and the electrical power company also runs fibre 
across the tower tops



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#90653 — Re: Power lines

On 2026-08-25 07:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 25/08/2026 14:48, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>> In this terrain, you can't bury lines along the existing route. We 
>> really need to run a set of new transmission lines along the existing 
>> traffic corridor along the coast, but they forgot to reserve space, 
>> even for a second railroad track, and now you would have to buy up a 
>> lot of expensive properties to create space for expanding the rail/ 
>> road/power infrastructure.
> 
> You can run a pretty decent HV link over or under the side of a railway 
> track
> 
> In the UK the railway company has tons of optical fibre running down the 
> side of the tracks and the electrical power company also runs fibre 
> across the tower tops

I don't know that the companies involved would be happy nto have a 150kV 
line in the rail right-of-way.

Communications lines are a different story. The SPRINT telecom company 
started out as Souther Pacific Railroad INTernal communications.
-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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#90665 — Re: Power lines

On 8/26/26 21:04, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 2026-08-25 07:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 25/08/2026 14:48, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>> In this terrain, you can't bury lines along the existing route. We 
>>> really need to run a set of new transmission lines along the existing 
>>> traffic corridor along the coast, but they forgot to reserve space, 
>>> even for a second railroad track, and now you would have to buy up a 
>>> lot of expensive properties to create space for expanding the rail/ 
>>> road/power infrastructure.
>>
>> You can run a pretty decent HV link over or under the side of a 
>> railway track
>>
>> In the UK the railway company has tons of optical fibre running down 
>> the side of the tracks and the electrical power company also runs 
>> fibre across the tower tops
> 
> I don't know that the companies involved would be happy nto have a 150kV 
> line in the rail right-of-way.
> 
> Communications lines are a different story. The SPRINT telecom company 
> started out as Souther Pacific Railroad INTernal communications.

   Comms are EASY and SAFE.

   MAJOR power ... you have to be much more careful.

   Shit, an insulation breech and anybody walking
   by DROPS DEAD on the spot !

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#90676 — Re: Power lines

On 27/08/2026 08:23, c186282 wrote:
> Shit, an insulation breech..

...breAch
-- 
“when things get difficult you just have to lie”

― Jean Claud Jüncker

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#90710 — Re: Power lines

On 8/27/26 07:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 27/08/2026 08:23, c186282 wrote:
>> Shit, an insulation breech..
> 
> ...breAch

   I see it spelled both ways. A "breech" is
   a 'gap', a 'breach' is an 'opening' that
   has presented itself.

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#90719 — Re: Power lines

On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 22:15:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:

> On 8/27/26 07:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 27/08/2026 08:23, c186282 wrote:
>>> Shit, an insulation breech..
>> 
>> ...breAch
> 
>    I see it spelled both ways. A "breech" is a 'gap', a 'breach' is an
>    'opening' that has presented itself.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/breech

The firearms usage is understandable since you are shoving the cartridge 
up its ass.

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#90731 — Re: Power lines

On 8/27/26 23:21, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 22:15:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>> On 8/27/26 07:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 27/08/2026 08:23, c186282 wrote:
>>>> Shit, an insulation breech..
>>>
>>> ...breAch
>>
>>     I see it spelled both ways. A "breech" is a 'gap', a 'breach' is an
>>     'opening' that has presented itself.
> 
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/breech

   Skip 'official' defs - "popular/common" defs apply.

> The firearms usage is understandable since you are shoving the cartridge
> up its ass.

   Umm ???

   Anyway, in the USA, "breech" and "breach" mean
   pretty much the SAME thing. Expect the words to
   be used 50/50 to describe the same thing.

   Brits may differ, but then they keep voting
   for pro-Islamists and national suicide, so
   fuck 'em.

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#90755 — Re: Power lines

On 28/08/2026 07:42, c186282 wrote:
> On 8/27/26 23:21, rbowman wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 22:15:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>> 
>>> On 8/27/26 07:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 27/08/2026 08:23, c186282 wrote:
>>>>> Shit, an insulation breech..
>>>> 
>>>> ...breAch
>>> 
>>> I see it spelled both ways. A "breech" is a 'gap', a 'breach' is 
>>> an 'opening' that has presented itself.
>> 
>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/breech
> 
> Skip 'official' defs - "popular/common" defs apply.
> 
Only to common people

There is a reason why we have rules in language, and lack of ambiguity
is one of them

A 'breech' of protocol has an entirely different meaning...

>> The firearms usage is understandable since you are shoving the 
>> cartridge up its ass.
> 
> Umm ???
> 
> Anyway, in the USA, "breech" and "breach" mean pretty much the SAME 
> thing. Expect the words to be used 50/50 to describe the same thing.
> 
No, they dont.

They have different meanings and different etymologies.

Breech

Old English & Germanic Roots:

  The root gave rise to Old English brēċ (plural of brōc, meaning leg and
trunk coverings). It is related to Old
Norse brók, Dutch broek, and German Bruch. Some linguists connect the
Germanic root to the Proto-Indo-European *bhreg- ("to break" or
"split"), suggesting a garment "forked" for the legs.
Shift to the Singular: While the plural form survived and evolved into
breeches (and britches), the singular form breech was retained.
Meaning Shift to "Rear Part": By the 1570s, because breeches covered the
lower part of the body and the buttocks, the singular breech came to
mean "the lower or hinder part of anything". This led directly to its
application for the rear part of a cannon or firearm behind the barrel,
and later to medical uses like a breech birth (where the baby's buttocks
emerge first).

Breach

Old English: It derives from the Old English nouns bryċe ("a fracture,
act of breaking") and brǣċ ("destruction, breaking").
Root Verb: These nouns were formed from the Old English verb brecan ("to
shatter, burst, or break"), sharing a root with the modern English word
break.
French Influence: During the Middle English period, the native form was
influenced by the Old French word breche ("opening, gap, break"), which
itself came from a Germanic source like Frankish.
Deep Roots: Going back even further, it originates from the
Proto-Indo-European root *bhreg- ("to break").

> Brits may differ, but then they keep voting for pro-Islamists and 
> national suicide, so fuck 'em.
> 
No, we don't differ in this at all, You have britches as a vulgar way to 
say 'breeches'
And I am sure that in red neck speak a 'britch' loaders is a gun.



-- 
Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

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#90776 — Re: Power lines

On Fri, 28 Aug 2026 02:42:42 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Anyway, in the USA, "breech" and "breach" mean pretty much the SAME
>    thing. Expect the words to be used 50/50 to describe the same thing.

I don't usually get involved in discussions over spelling but I'm calling 
bullshit on this one. 

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#90815 — Re: Power lines

On 28/08/2026 19:40, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2026 02:42:42 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Anyway, in the USA, "breech" and "breach" mean pretty much the SAME
>>     thing. Expect the words to be used 50/50 to describe the same thing.
> 
> I don't usually get involved in discussions over spelling but I'm calling
> bullshit on this one.

yeah. making the same mistake as everyone else doesn't make it not a mistake
People today don't read any more.

Brake/break
Loose/lose
Lightning/lightening
Weather/whether
'Bored with' is correct, 'bored of' is pidgin English

I am sure you can come up with more...

-- 
“The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to 
fill the world with fools.”

Herbert Spencer

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