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| Started by | L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> |
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| First post | 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000 |
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Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:10 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 21:15 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:21 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-15 22:56 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 02:26 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 03:01 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 09:48 -0700
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:54 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 17:49 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:48 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:14 -0700
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 19:33 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:39 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 20:13 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-16 10:58 +0200
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 14:30 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 17:44 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-16 17:01 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 00:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 16:58 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 13:45 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 18:59 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:16 -0400
OT (was: Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 21:20 +0100
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 16:42 -0400
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 22:21 +0100
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:23 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:24 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:40 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:44 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:51 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 11:20 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 10:24 -0700
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:58 +0100
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 20:51 -0400
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:01 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 02:55 +0000
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-19 18:30 +0000
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-19 22:19 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:41 +0000
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-20 17:05 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 17:57 +0000
Re: OT "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 18:59 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:48 +0000
Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 21:23 +0100
Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-21 07:40 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:50 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:32 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 22:44 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 03:36 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:43 +0100
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:05 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000
Re: OT Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-20 21:18 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 03:54 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:45 +0100
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 22:12 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:16 +0100
Re: OT "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-20 12:31 +0200
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 11:59 +0100
Re: OT "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:23 +0200
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:39 +0100
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-20 17:15 +0100
Re: OT Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-21 02:49 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-18 08:39 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:15 +1000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:25 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:44 +1000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:18 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 08:36 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:16 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 18:07 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:40 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 19:45 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 02:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:10 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 00:48 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:26 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 08:55 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:24 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:37 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 20:51 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:04 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 20:53 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-19 22:11 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 11:58 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 21:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-20 21:06 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:50 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 04:32 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 05:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:52 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:08 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 22:54 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 04:11 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:25 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 15:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:30 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:30 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 22:52 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-19 05:54 +0200
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:47 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:26 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:42 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-20 01:42 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-17 19:08 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 23:42 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-16 11:55 +0000
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 21:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <slrn118eror.td0.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #90235 |
On 2026-08-20, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-08-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> Much of the work I did involved GIS both to locate the call for service >> location and to provide routing for the emergency responders. part of the >> task for a new site was reviewing the GIS data they submitted. Errors >> included different segments of a street with the same street numbers, >> completely different streets with the same name, street segments that >> failed to connect to an intersection and were not routable, and so forth. > > The street we live on is a one-block segment, terminated by a school > at each end. On the other side of one of the schools the street > continues for another block. It took a while for Google Maps to > get that second segment properly into its database. From time to > time I would see a delivery van stopped outside our house with a > confused driver trying to figure out why the house numbers didn't > match up. I helped more than one such driver on his way. As somebody mentioned earlier, there have been tragic consequences of bad GPS and similar data. Several years ago, a family got stuck in snow on a recommended road. I think they were going between Grants Pass and Gold Beach. The dad tried to find help, but his body was found not very far from the vehicle. When mapquest.com was relatively new (maybe 2005-2010), when asked for a route to an address in the south-western portions of Dayton, Oregon, USA from somewhere north and east of Dayton, the route would include a step of making a left-hand turn from Hwy 18 onto SE Fletcher Rd aka 8th St. The problem is that crossing is an overpass with no way for a vehicle to get between the two roads at that location. I filed a few bug reports. It took a year or two but they eventually fixed it. Google Streetview has an annoying misfeature I run into from time to time. I'll be following a highway in Streetview, but the view will jump either upward or downward to another road that crosses the one I had been on. If anyone knows a way to prevent or recover from that problem, I'd be happy to hear about it. Thanks. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-21 03:54 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <neq0ggFpub2U47@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90241 |
On 20 Aug 2026 21:18:19 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: > As somebody mentioned earlier, there have been tragic consequences of > bad GPS and similar data. Several years ago, a family got stuck in snow > on a recommended road. I think they were going between Grants Pass and > Gold Beach. The dad tried to find help, but his body was found not very > far from the vehicle. I've been over that route in the summer and was quite happy to get to Gold Beach. I did stop to hike up Mount Bolivar. https://journeywithstevenmichael.blogspot.com/2008/12/mount-bolivar.html It's deceptive in that the road is paved and well maintained along the Rogue River. Then you get to the launch point for the rafters. The road crosses the river and is gravel with unmarked junctions, swinging well away from the river until you get near Gold Beach. Given that it was winter, turning around at the raft launch area would have been a good idea. > When mapquest.com was relatively new (maybe 2005-2010), when asked for a > route to an address in the south-western portions of Dayton, Oregon, USA > from somewhere north and east of Dayton, the route would include a step > of making a left-hand turn from Hwy 18 onto SE Fletcher Rd aka 8th St. > The problem is that crossing is an overpass with no way for a vehicle to > get between the two roads at that location. I filed a few bug reports. > It took a year or two but they eventually fixed it. Different formats are used for vector data. Navteq used the Z axis so if a segment broke on an overpass it could have the same to/from X and Y coordinates as the street below but a different Z. Some of our clients sourced their data from Navteq but our code didn't handle the Z axis. I wrote a utility that would search for non-zero Z values and offset the coordinates by a few feet so they wouldn't appear to intersect with the street below. A lot of geodata needs a little groom and clean so it will route cleanly.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-21 13:45 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <1169h8u$9sqa$11@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90241 |
On 20/08/2026 22:18, Robert Riches wrote: > Google Streetview has an annoying misfeature I run into from time > to time. I'll be following a highway in Streetview, but the view > will jump either upward or downward to another road that crosses > the one I had been on. If anyone knows a way to prevent or > recover from that problem, I'd be happy to hear about it. > Thanks. Use a better app. -- There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons that sound good. Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 22:12 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <nepcf7Fpub2U42@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90235 |
On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 20:26:15 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > The street we live on is a one-block segment, terminated by a school at > each end. On the other side of one of the schools the street continues > for another block. It took a while for Google Maps to get that second > segment properly into its database. From time to time I would see a > delivery van stopped outside our house with a confused driver trying to > figure out why the house numbers didn't match up. I helped more than > one such driver on his way. There are a number of historical reasons including dueling developers but one section of the city is at a 45 degree angle to the general north/south orientation. That resulted in what became the main drag also being misaligned, followed by further chaotic development. That's resulted in several streets with one or more segments that don't connect to each other. Getting from one chunk to the other can be a problem so you really need to know which piece has the address you're looking for, GPSs have improved matters. 25 years ago most addresses were 'geocoded'. Basically you know a segment of Maple St is X feet long and has the ranges from 300 to 399, hopefully even and odd addresses on alternate sides but that's not guaranteed. Which side they're on is also not guaranteed. Anyway, subtract about 5% from each end to account for the intersections, set back from the center line, and divide. Oila, a coordinate usually in a State Plane Coordinate System projection since that's a lot nicer than messing with spherical trig. Worked for years...
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 01:16 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <1165h0d$33bfm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90152 |
On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote: > J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >> (Should we take this to e-s.talk?) > > And pollute *that* group!? :-) > >> On 2026/8/17 20:16:48, Joel W. Crump wrote: > [...] >>>>> The price I paid for Win11 Pro is for a license to use it, the >>>>> price I paid for 365 is for a year of MS letting me use what >>>>> I want from their apps and OneDrive, it's a equitable way of >>>>> always having the latest software. Buying a boxed copy of >>>>> MS Office, OTOH, would lock me in to one arbitrary release. >> >> Depends whether you _want_ what the later releases give you. Granted, I >> haven't really _looked_ into what the later ones give me, but I've yet >> to find anything I want to do that my Office 2003 (with the patches for >> the x versions so I can exchange with those who use them) can't do. (And >> I certainly have no desire for OneDrive.) Each to his or her own, though! > > Exactly! My software ages quite nicely with time. Some important parts > are already well over two decades 'old' and still going strong. Example: > The software bringing you this post. > >>>> Given that software has started deteriorating with each successive >>>> release, constant upgrades are looking less and less attractive. >> >> That certainly is the impression I get. Plus needing constant >> replacement of OS in order to use them - OK, "constant" is overstating, >> but they only support so far back in OSs. > > The software I mention above started on XP and moved to Vista, 8.1 and > now 11 without a hitch. > > And to stay on topic, the most important part, this newsreader, could > run on all the OSs in the Newsgroups:' header! :-) > > [...] > >>>>> What do you do if you need a computer when you're driving? >>>>> Do you even realize that you can get a map app on the smartphone? >>>> >>>> Most of my driving is in areas I've driven for 60 years. >>>> If I need to find details of one of the few areas I'm not >>>> familiar with, I have a map book in the car (and road maps >>>> for longer trips). Or I can look it up on my computer >>>> before I leave home. (That's called planning, doncha know.) >>> >> Plus, a lot of map "apps" - like a lot of other apps - are actually only >> a gateway to an online database, i. e. won't work where there's no >> signal. (OK, if you know you're going to use them in advance, you can in >> many "apps" pre-download the maps for the areas you're going to be in.)> > > There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and > hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in > Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no > signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can > easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, etc.) > and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-) > +1. I use Tomtom GO and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest reports on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does. > [...] -- "Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will let them."
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 12:31 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <neo3cpF63aeU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90175 |
On 2026-08-20 02:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and
>> hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in
>> Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no
>> signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can
>> easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, etc.)
>> and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-)
>>
> +1. I use Tomtom GO and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps
> It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest reports
> on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does.
Depends on the model. Some have an internal SIM card and a slow and
cheap internet connection. Some use a BT connection to a phone to get
slow internet. Some connect via WiFI to a hotspot in the car. And some
use FM radio, or a cable to the car FM radio, because some stations
transmit those reports in background, somehow. This last method I have
not experienced.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 11:59 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <1166mn7$3drqq$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90201 |
On 20/08/2026 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-20 02:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote: >>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: > > >>> There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and >>> hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in >>> Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no >>> signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can >>> easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, etc.) >>> and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-) >>> >> +1. I use Tomtom GO and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps >> It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest reports >> on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does. > > Depends on the model TomTom GO is not hardware, its an android app. It runs on my phone. -- "It was a lot more fun being 20 in the 70's that it is being 70 in the 20's" Joew Walsh
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 15:23 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <neodfdF63aeU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90204 |
On 2026-08-20 12:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 20/08/2026 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-08-20 02:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and
>>>> hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in
>>>> Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no
>>>> signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can
>>>> easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU,
>>>> etc.)
>>>> and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-)
>>>>
>>> +1. I use Tomtom GO and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps
>>> It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest
>>> reports on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does.
>>
>> Depends on the model
>
> TomTom GO is not hardware, its an android app. It runs on my phone.
TomTom Go is indeed hardware, I have one. There is also an app with the
same name.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-21 13:39 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <1169gtg$9sqa$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90206 |
On 20/08/2026 14:23, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-20 12:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 20/08/2026 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2026-08-20 02:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote: >>>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and >>>>> hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in >>>>> Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no >>>>> signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can >>>>> easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, >>>>> etc.) >>>>> and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-) >>>>> >>>> +1. I use Tomtom GO and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps >>>> It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest >>>> reports on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it >>>> does. >>> >>> Depends on the model >> >> TomTom GO is not hardware, its an android app. It runs on my phone. > > TomTom Go is indeed hardware, I have one. There is also an app with the > same name. > Ah., I thought 'GO' was reserved for the app alone. I see the app has become TomTom GO Expert.... -- “Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.” H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 17:15 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <116797m$3knv9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90201 |
On 2026/8/20 11:31:53, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-20 02:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote: [] >> +1. I use Tomtom GO and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps That sounds like TomTom is an "app" on your 'phone; I didn't know they did an app., I only know the name as one of the bigger names in standalone devices. (I suppose if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.) >> It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest reports >> on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does. > > Depends on the model. Some have an internal SIM card and a slow and > cheap internet connection. Some use a BT connection to a phone to get > slow internet. Some connect via WiFI to a hotspot in the car. And some > use FM radio, or a cable to the car FM radio, because some stations > transmit those reports in background, somehow. This last method I have > not experienced. > Well, some fixed maps have _some_ speed camera, but of course can't track new ones, and certainly can't include roadworks, traffic, and the like, so the device must be getting it from _some_where; I think I've heard of the FM subcarrier thing too. One thing's for sure, it's _not_ on the satellites that make GPS work: they only transmit very accurate time signals, and it's the _receiver_ that works out (if it can find three or more of the satellites) your longitude, latitude, and height, and compares that to a map it contains. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf If a cluttered desk is characteristic of a cluttered mind, what does an empty desk mean ?
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-21 02:49 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <1168ec9$1hm$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90201 |
On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 12:31:53 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > And some use FM radio, or a cable to the car FM radio, because some > stations transmit those reports in background, somehow. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System>
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-17 22:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nehhikFpk4lU37@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89983 |
On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 15:16:48 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote: > Bill Gates did one initiative to install flushing toilets in people's > houses, that's a big deal, something people in the first world just take > for granted. I'm not sure indoor plumbing is all it's cracked up to be. It does keep the plumbers in business though. https://www.welthungerhilfe.org/hunger-due-to-drought-in-east-africa I think East Africa needs something other than flush toilets. https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-wants-world-to-move-past-flush- toilets-2018-11 Gates drinking recycled piss reminded me of another thirsty person. It seems he doesn't really want flush toilets. That's just as well as third world countries have shit for sewage systems. (bad pun intended) https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/03/radioactive-cleanup-at-idaho- nuclear-site-working/ I may have the wrong person but I think it was Watt that downed a glass of glow-in-the-dark water, smacked his lips, and said 'See, no problem.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_G._Watt
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| From | "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 08:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20260818083956.12aac8fcffc3d63e888e01c1@127.0.0.1> |
| In reply to | #89976 |
On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 13:45:19 -0400 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: > On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > On 2026-08-17, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> On 8/16/26 13:01, L Thorpe wrote: > >>> On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 17:44:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: [] > >> And then it all went SO BAD ... > >> > >> At some point soon I'm gonna need to buy a > >> half-ass big-screen "phone". HATE 'em. Keep > >> a little FLIP as my mobile now. > > > > I'll give up my flip phone when they pry it from > > my cold dead fingers. It sends and receives calls > > and texts (including pictures). I neither need > > nor want anything more. They're not hard to > > find, either. I got my latest one for $100; > > its $50 predecessor was just too shitty, but > > as with anything else you get what you pay for.. > > > What do you do if you need a computer when you're driving? Do you even > realize that you can get a map app on the smartphone? > > > >> My carrier is > >> not gonna support my great old landline much > >> longer - they've already raised the PRICE > >> insanely, hoping I'll quit. Clue, I'm NOT > >> gonna buy the new crap-phone from THEM - but > >> from another. Pref Android. Samsung phones > >> are gonna be IT. > > > > In our latest account update with the telco, they > > threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar. It sits > > on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my > > attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible. > > > The Pixel doesn't appeal to me, Samsung is the best smartphone maker, > IMO. Fuck Apple. > You might want to take continue this discussion in a mobile phone NG; it's nowt to do with linux, mac,w11,or w10. PS the Samsung Keyboard applet has 5 "privacy notices". FU set to cma -- Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 03:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11612vg$1l45r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90042 |
On 8/18/2026 3:39 AM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote: > On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 13:45:19 -0400 > "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>> In our latest account update with the telco, they >>> threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar. It sits >>> on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my >>> attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible. >> >> The Pixel doesn't appeal to me, Samsung is the best smartphone maker, >> IMO. Fuck Apple. >> > You might want to take continue this discussion in a mobile phone NG; > it's nowt to do with linux, mac,w11,or w10. > > PS the Samsung Keyboard applet has 5 "privacy notices". > > > FU set to cma Are you even living in 2026, dude? Your reply was a bunch of loudmouth nothingness. No one said smartphones were explicitly on-topic in these newsgroups. They are still something people who are normal talk about. So save your high horses for someone you actually outsmart, dumbshit. -- Joel W. Crump Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 21:15 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <1161esu$1p1d6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89976 |
On 18/08/2026 3:45 am, Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: <Snip> >> In our latest account update with the telco, they >> threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar. It sits >> on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my >> attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible. Sorry. WHAT?? You try to live as Google-free a life as possible by using a *Google* Pixel 9a?? Really?? ;-P -- Daniel70
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 07:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1161ffi$1p7jk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90051 |
On 8/18/2026 7:15 AM, Daniel70 wrote: >> On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >>> In our latest account update with the telco, they >>> threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar. It sits >>> on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my >>> attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible. > > Sorry. WHAT?? You try to live as Google-free a life as possible by using > a *Google* Pixel 9a?? Really?? ;-P You did read what he said? He's not using it, it's collecting dust, as it were. Honestly I affirm Samsung as a source of good smartphones. It's the only brand I have used and will ever use, based on what I know today. -- Joel W. Crump Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 21:44 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <1161gjg$1pe9d$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90052 |
On 18/08/2026 9:25 pm, Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 8/18/2026 7:15 AM, Daniel70 wrote: >>> On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>>> In our latest account update with the telco, they >>>> threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar. It sits >>>> on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my >>>> attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible. >> >> Sorry. WHAT?? You try to live as Google-free a life as possible by >> using a *Google* Pixel 9a?? Really?? ;-P > > You did read what he said? He's not using it, it's collecting dust, as > it were. Honestly I affirm Samsung as a source of good smartphones. > It's the only brand I have used and will ever use, based on what I know > today. > Oh!! Right. I missed that. I seem to be stuck in 'HP' land. Both this Desktop and the previous Laptop have been HP's. -- Daniel70
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 07:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1161h26$1po65$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90053 |
On 8/18/2026 7:44 AM, Daniel70 wrote: > On 18/08/2026 9:25 pm, Joel W. Crump wrote: >> On 8/18/2026 7:15 AM, Daniel70 wrote: >>>> On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>>> In our latest account update with the telco, they >>>>> threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar. It sits >>>>> on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my >>>>> attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible. >>> >>> Sorry. WHAT?? You try to live as Google-free a life as possible by >>> using a *Google* Pixel 9a?? Really?? ;-P >> >> You did read what he said? He's not using it, it's collecting dust, >> as it were. Honestly I affirm Samsung as a source of good >> smartphones. It's the only brand I have used and will ever use, based >> on what I know today. >> > Oh!! Right. I missed that. > > I seem to be stuck in 'HP' land. Both this Desktop and the previous > Laptop have been HP's. HP isn't bad. I bought my GF one of their laptops, in fact. But the Microsoft OEM network is selling gear that can be easily be bested by self-assembly, or like me just using a China-sourced mini PC. -- Joel W. Crump Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 13:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1161ije$1q63m$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90053 |
On 18/08/2026 12:44, Daniel70 wrote: > On 18/08/2026 9:25 pm, Joel W. Crump wrote: >> You did read what he said? He's not using it, it's collecting dust, >> as it were. Honestly I affirm Samsung as a source of good >> smartphones. It's the only brand I have used and will ever use, based >> on what I know today. >> > Oh!! Right. I missed that. > > I seem to be stuck in 'HP' land. Both this Desktop and the previous > Laptop have been HP's. I have found used HPs very good spec, cheap, and vanilla enough to run Linux Out Of The Box so to speak. My IdiotPhone is a Samsung. At least that is what it says on it. -- I was brought up to believe that you should never give offence if you can avoid it; the new culture tells us you should always take offence if you can. There are now experts in the art of taking offence, indeed whole academic subjects, such as 'gender studies', devoted to it. Sir Roger Scruton
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 08:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1161jla$1qku7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90057 |
On 8/18/2026 8:18 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 18/08/2026 12:44, Daniel70 wrote: >> On 18/08/2026 9:25 pm, Joel W. Crump wrote: > >>> You did read what he said? He's not using it, it's collecting dust, >>> as it were. Honestly I affirm Samsung as a source of good >>> smartphones. It's the only brand I have used and will ever use, based >>> on what I know today. >>> >> Oh!! Right. I missed that. >> >> I seem to be stuck in 'HP' land. Both this Desktop and the previous >> Laptop have been HP's. > > I have found used HPs very good spec, cheap, and vanilla enough to run > Linux Out Of The Box so to speak. > > My IdiotPhone is a Samsung. At least that is what it says on it. People who shun the PC and do everything with their phones are interesting, yeah. I give Apple, Google and Samsung a lot of credit, for making a product everyone should want, and yet it cannot replace the PC. -- Joel W. Crump Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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