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  AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-08 00:26 -0400
    Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-08 07:03 +0000
      Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-08 08:16 +0000
        Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-08 21:00 -0400
          Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-09 13:24 +0100
      Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 12:33 +0100
        Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-08 17:31 +0000
        Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-08 21:18 -0400
          Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-09 13:25 +0100
            Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-09 19:07 +0000
              Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-09 20:28 +0100
              Life in Russia - US vs Russian propagando (Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-09 13:21 -0700
              Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-10 05:28 +0500
                Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-10 06:15 +0100
                  Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-10 10:51 +0500
          Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-09 18:47 +0000
            Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-09 20:26 +0100
            Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-10 00:06 -0400
      Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-08 20:54 -0400
        CLASS in Europe and America Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-09 07:10 -0700
          Re: CLASS in Europe and America Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-09 16:48 +0000
            Re: CLASS in Europe and America The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-09 20:22 +0100
          Re: CLASS in Europe and America c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-09 23:59 -0400
            Re: CLASS in Europe and America The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-10 06:16 +0100
            Re: CLASS in Europe and America Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-10 05:35 -0700
              Re: Class in Europe and America Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-11 00:01 +0000
                Re: Class in Europe and America rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-11 03:41 +0000
                  Re: Class in Europe and America c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-11 00:34 -0400
              Re: CLASS in Europe and America c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-14 23:51 -0400
                Re: CLASS in Europe and America rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-15 07:27 +0000
                  Re: CLASS in Europe and America c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-15 23:06 -0400
                    Re: CLASS in Europe and America rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-16 03:32 +0000
                      Re: CLASS in Europe and America Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-16 04:12 +0000
                        Re: CLASS in Europe and America c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 01:22 -0400
                        Re: CLASS in Europe and America Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-16 06:46 +0000
                          Re: CLASS in Europe and America "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-16 11:03 +0200
                            Re: CLASS in Europe and America Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-16 22:33 +0000
                          Re: CLASS in Europe and America rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-16 19:29 +0000
                      Re: CLASS in Europe and America c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 01:13 -0400
                        Re: CLASS in Europe and America rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-16 06:00 +0000
                          Re: CLASS in Europe and America c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 02:46 -0400
                            Re: CLASS in Europe and America Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-08-16 07:41 +0000
                            Re: CLASS in Europe and America rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-16 19:47 +0000
                          Re: CLASS in Europe and America The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 11:46 +0100
                    Re: CLASS in Europe and America Bob Vloon <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2026-08-16 15:28 +0000
                      Re: CLASS in Europe and America The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 17:51 +0100
                      Re: CLASS in Europe and America c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 00:20 -0400
                        Re: CLASS in Europe and America The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-17 10:09 +0100
    Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 09:44 +0100
      Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-08 21:13 -0400
        Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-09 09:26 +0100

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#89927 — Re: CLASS in Europe and America

On 8/16/26 02:00, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 01:13:04 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Proven BEST - the relative few 'visionaries'/'organizers'
>>     get things going. YOU work for THEM. You can BITCH about them being
>>     awful or 'usurers' but You NEED Them or NOTHING of use happens.
> 
> You mean like Soros? He's a visionary alright. Motherfucker never did an
> honest day's work in his life, unless you consider hedge funds and
> shorting currencies honest work.

   Eh ?

   Soros is a 3rd-level money source - AND
   a communist agent. He should be deported
   to the homeland immediately and all his
   US assets confiscated. NOT sure why Trump
   hasn't just DONE this already. Hey, they
   could TRACE the money-chain collapse to
   find MORE commie agents !

   Soros is NOT a 'visionary', NOT an actual
   organizer/mover/shaker. He and Junior are
   just SHITS.

   Fuck him ... preferably with something
   long and with splinters.

   You're normally a Smart Guy ... can't figure out
   why you can't see through the commiesocialist BIG
   LIE. It's been nothing but DISASTER for a century+

   You, NOBODY, wants to live that lie - just HORRIBLE !

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#89929 — Re: CLASS in Europe and America

On 2026-08-16, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> On 8/16/26 02:00, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 01:13:04 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>> 
>>>     Proven BEST - the relative few 'visionaries'/'organizers'
>>>     get things going. YOU work for THEM. You can BITCH about them being
>>>     awful or 'usurers' but You NEED Them or NOTHING of use happens.
>> 
>> You mean like Soros? He's a visionary alright. Motherfucker never did an
>> honest day's work in his life, unless you consider hedge funds and
>> shorting currencies honest work.
>
>    Eh ?
>
>    Soros is a 3rd-level money source - AND
>    a communist agent. 

... and at that idiotic point I stopped reading.

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#89947 — Re: CLASS in Europe and America

On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 02:46:33 -0400, c186282 wrote:


>    You're normally a Smart Guy ... can't figure out why you can't see
>    through the commiesocialist BIG LIE. It's been nothing but DISASTER
>    for a century+

Meanwhile you hold on to the rosy version of capitalism from your 8th 
grade civics class. 

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/hollowing-out-america/

The Nation is fit for lining parakeet cages but tell me the hollowing out 
didn't happen. Tell me my eyes were lying as I watched manufacturing leave 
the country. Want another take:

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hollowing-out.asp

What do you call the system where corporations shit in their nest, well, 
not really their nest since they're multinational and don't have a nest, 
to keep the stockholders and Wall Street happy? 

As far as the government goes it has been a bipartisan project. Clinton 
might have signed NAFTA into law but it was GHW Bush that started the 
project. 

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#89936 — Re: CLASS in Europe and America

On 16/08/2026 07:00, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 01:13:04 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Proven BEST - the relative few 'visionaries'/'organizers'
>>     get things going. YOU work for THEM. You can BITCH about them being
>>     awful or 'usurers' but You NEED Them or NOTHING of use happens.
> 
> You mean like Soros? He's a visionary alright. Motherfucker never did an
> honest day's work in his life, unless you consider hedge funds and
> shorting currencies honest work.
> 
> On the other side we have Miriam Adelson. She actually worked as a doctor
> but that's not where the $35 billion came from. Sheldon made his nut from
> actual casinos, unlike the billionaire winners in the Wall Street casino.
> How he got some of his licenses has been investigated. His first venture
> in the candy vending machine business probably wasn't too pure. Somehow
> the vending machine business in NYC has always been questionable.
> 
> I have nothing against people like Musk or Bezos that built something. I
> don't care for the billionaires that never did anything but manipulate
> markets. Do you call them all capitalists?

'manipulating markets' is very hard work.

Unless you have enough capital to buy some politicians

Ive met with the Musks and Bezos off this world. They didn't do 
*anything* they hired other people for that.


-- 
"What do you think about Gay Marriage?"
"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

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#89939 — Re: CLASS in Europe and America

c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes:

>   The Marxist FANTASY of everybody getting all they
>   want for "free" regardless ... Harry Potter is
>   more plausible.

I don't think that's the idea, but then, who am I.

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#89941 — Re: CLASS in Europe and America

On 16/08/2026 16:28, Bob Vloon wrote:
> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes:
> 
>>    The Marxist FANTASY of everybody getting all they
>>    want for "free" regardless ... Harry Potter is
>>    more plausible.
> 
> I don't think that's the idea, but then, who am I.

Really, there are people - and I've met some - who think that the only 
way to have a 'fair' world is for taxation to be 100% and you get given 
back [what the State decides] you need.

Oddly these are all people who don't have big salaries or a lot of 
education. Apart from the ones wanting to *run* the system and get more, 
because they are educated.

More moderate versions are called 'socialism' and include things like 
government (taxpayer) funded roads, railways, healthcare, bus services, 
schools, public parks, museums and art galleries, ballet opera and 
theatre. To name a few.
And only 50% taxation.....

-- 
The difference bweteen a psychopath and a saint is that the psychpoath 
takes what he can and gives only what he must, but the saint gives 
everything he can and takes only what he needs.

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#89955 — Re: CLASS in Europe and America

On 8/16/26 11:28, Bob Vloon wrote:
> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes:
> 
>>    The Marxist FANTASY of everybody getting all they
>>    want for "free" regardless ... Harry Potter is
>>    more plausible.
> 
> I don't think that's the idea, but then, who am I.

   Yea, it IS the fantasy they're selling - and SO
   many Useful Idiots actually seem to BELIEVE.

   "Free money" ? Where does it COME from ? On yea,
   steal from "the rich". Where does THEIR money
   come from ? Working "business" ventures. But
   if you steal their money, then the biz ventures
   have no backing, indeed the DOLLAR has no backing.

   All fall down go boom.

   A dollar/pound/franc/etc is just a piece of PAPER.
   It is ONLY of value if somebody else, some other
   country, can EXCHANGE it for good shit. Wreck USA
   biz and the dollar is worth ZILCH. Go ahead, steal
   a zillion of them ... just worthless paper then.

   But the Useful Idiots never carry the thought any
   further ... imagine their "free money" will still
   be WORTH anything even a year into CommieSocialism.

   Sorry, they'll be spending all day in the FOOD LINES,
   hoping to score their tiny packet of Soylent Green ...
   no hope, no future, no freedom, no choices, no NOTHIN'.

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#89964 — Re: CLASS in Europe and America

On 17/08/2026 05:20, c186282 wrote:
> A dollar/pound/franc/etc is just a piece of PAPER.
>    It is ONLY of value if somebody else, some other
>    country, can EXCHANGE it for good shit.

Actually, its more fundamental than that. Money, is a proxy for wealth.
Wealth is a car that runs, healthcare that doesn't ruin you, food in the 
larder, ability to access good schools. heat for the winter, a roof over 
your head...

Money is numbers in a computer, that can be removed or degraded by 
governments at will.


-- 
"When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics."

Josef Stalin

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#89741

c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes:
> https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/ai-found-a-weakness-in-one-of-the-worlds-most-studied-encryption-systems-is-your-data-under-threat
[...]
>   The news of defective 'post-quantum' encryption IS
>   a serious concern. We were all COUNTING on this for
>   the near future.

I don’t think there’s much to be concerned about here, quite the
opposite: the evaluation process is working as it should. Absolutely
nobody was counting on HAWK yet.

Daniel Simon’s work on DCP, with applications to LWE-based schemes, is a
more interesting one, though the sky is not falling there either.

-- 
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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#89776

On 8/8/26 04:44, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes:
>> https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/ai-found-a-weakness-in-one-of-the-worlds-most-studied-encryption-systems-is-your-data-under-threat
> [...]
>>    The news of defective 'post-quantum' encryption IS
>>    a serious concern. We were all COUNTING on this for
>>    the near future.
> 
> I don’t think there’s much to be concerned about here, quite the
> opposite: the evaluation process is working as it should. Absolutely
> nobody was counting on HAWK yet.
> 
> Daniel Simon’s work on DCP, with applications to LWE-based schemes, is a
> more interesting one, though the sky is not falling there either.


   As said, the sky is not falling - not YET.

   BUT, this stuff shows it COULD.

   I'm also worried about 'archived' data - it'll
   still have all yer account numbers and such
   but as "last-years-crap" it won't be looked
   after so diligently.

   We may see a "3-AES" show up in a few years,
   a way of adding more CPU time (QP time?) to
   cracking anything. Like 3-DES that approach
   does work, for awhile.

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#89792

c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes:
>   We may see a "3-AES" show up in a few years, a way of adding more
>   CPU time (QP time?) to cracking anything. Like 3-DES that approach
>   does work, for awhile.

Quantum computers are not a meaningful threat to AES, as I think you’ve
had explained to you before.

3DES is about expanding key strength. The main issue with AES is not the
key size (AES-256 is more than enough) but the block size. Whether that
results in anything new remains an open question as far as I know.

-- 
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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