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| First post | 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000 |
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Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:10 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 21:15 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:21 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-15 22:56 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 02:26 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 03:01 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 09:48 -0700
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:54 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 17:49 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:48 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:14 -0700
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 19:33 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:39 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 20:13 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-16 10:58 +0200
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 14:30 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 17:44 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-16 17:01 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 00:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 16:58 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 13:45 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 18:59 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:16 -0400
OT (was: Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 21:20 +0100
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 16:42 -0400
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 22:21 +0100
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:23 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:24 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:40 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:44 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:51 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 11:20 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 10:24 -0700
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 20:51 -0400
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:01 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 02:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-18 08:39 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:15 +1000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:25 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:44 +1000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:18 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 08:36 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:16 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 18:07 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:40 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 19:45 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 02:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:10 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 00:48 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:26 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 08:55 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:24 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:37 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:25 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 15:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:30 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:30 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-17 19:08 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 23:42 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-16 11:55 +0000
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| From | L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-16 17:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <18cc57d1b90cd090$163871$704772$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
| In reply to | #89940 |
On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 17:44:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > > I am not a Linux/Unix advocate. I am a contented > user. > You are receiving a supremely potent free and open (as in freedom) OS at no cost (as in free beer). Every GNU/Linux/FOSS user must in return give something back to the community. If you can't program or debug then you can at the very least advocate.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-17 00:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <DN6dnS0f_uoCDh_3nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89942 |
On 8/16/26 13:01, L Thorpe wrote: > On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 17:44:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> >> I am not a Linux/Unix advocate. I am a contented >> user. >> > > You are receiving a supremely potent free and open (as in freedom) > OS at no cost (as in free beer). > > Every GNU/Linux/FOSS user must in return give something back to the > community. > > If you can't program or debug then you can at the very least advocate. Kinda agreed ... but SOME don't Get It. M$ is a DISASTER of an OS. Apple, well, it's JUST as greedy. It now plans to "lease" iPhones and such - you NEVER own one, can NEVER pay them off, NEVER quit. $$$ for Apple FOREVER now matter HOW shitty they get. Long long back, Bill Gates/M$ were sort of HEROES. DOS 1.x/2.x/3.x were GOOD for the period and M$ wasn't all twisted about you copying their stuff or compilers and such. And then it all went SO BAD ... At some point soon I'm gonna need to buy a half-ass big-screen "phone". HATE 'em. Keep a little FLIP as my mobile now. My carrier is not gonna support my great old landline much longer - they've already raised the PRICE insanely, hoping I'll quit. Clue, I'm NOT gonna buy the new crap-phone from THEM - but from another. Pref Android. Samsung phones are gonna be IT.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-17 16:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <g5HgS.20566$X0O7.18565@fx35.iad> |
| In reply to | #89956 |
On 2026-08-17, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 8/16/26 13:01, L Thorpe wrote: > >> On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 17:44:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> I am not a Linux/Unix advocate. I am a contented user. >> >> You are receiving a supremely potent free and open (as in freedom) >> OS at no cost (as in free beer). >> >> Every GNU/Linux/FOSS user must in return give something back to the >> community. >> >> If you can't program or debug then you can at the very least advocate. > > Kinda agreed ... but SOME don't Get It. > > M$ is a DISASTER of an OS. Apple, well, it's > JUST as greedy. It now plans to "lease" iPhones > and such - you NEVER own one, can NEVER pay > them off, NEVER quit. $$$ for Apple FOREVER now > matter HOW shitty they get. All Apple is doing is following Microsoft's lead, especially when it comes to software subscriptions. I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private property. (We could quibble about these companies being private themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the government than private citizens.) See my .sig. > Long long back, Bill Gates/M$ were sort of HEROES. Gates was never a hero in my eyes. Remember him whining after a computer club spread his BASIC interpreter around? Or whining nearly every week when the DOJ foiled his various attempts at creating a monopoly? He's nothing more than a mediocre programmer (see below) who had the gift of the gab. > DOS 1.x/2.x/3.x were GOOD for the period and M$ > wasn't all twisted about you copying their stuff > or compilers and such. No, but technically MS-DOS was a pile of crap. Consider the COPY command's refusal to copy an empty file (something which it did _not_ inherit from CP/M, whose PIP command worked correctly). Or its flakiness in advancing the date at midnight, or that ridiculous hex 1A "end of file" character which should have been eliminated the moment people realized that the MS-DOS file system was storing the file size to the byte, making the hex 1A useful for nothing but losing data in the event of, say a line hit. > And then it all went SO BAD ... > > At some point soon I'm gonna need to buy a > half-ass big-screen "phone". HATE 'em. Keep > a little FLIP as my mobile now. I'll give up my flip phone when they pry it from my cold dead fingers. It sends and receives calls and texts (including pictures). I neither need nor want anything more. They're not hard to find, either. I got my latest one for $100; its $50 predecessor was just too shitty, but as with anything else you get what you pay for.. > My carrier is > not gonna support my great old landline much > longer - they've already raised the PRICE > insanely, hoping I'll quit. Clue, I'm NOT > gonna buy the new crap-phone from THEM - but > from another. Pref Android. Samsung phones > are gonna be IT. In our latest account update with the telco, they threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar. It sits on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | They don't understand Microsoft \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | has stolen their car and parked X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | a taxi in their driveway. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Mayayana
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-17 13:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <115vhbg$16o12$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89971 |
On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-08-17, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> On 8/16/26 13:01, L Thorpe wrote: >>> On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 17:44:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> I am not a Linux/Unix advocate. I am a contented user. >>> >>> You are receiving a supremely potent free and open (as in freedom) >>> OS at no cost (as in free beer). >>> >>> Every GNU/Linux/FOSS user must in return give something back to the >>> community. >>> >>> If you can't program or debug then you can at the very least advocate. >> >> Kinda agreed ... but SOME don't Get It. >> >> M$ is a DISASTER of an OS. Apple, well, it's >> JUST as greedy. It now plans to "lease" iPhones >> and such - you NEVER own one, can NEVER pay >> them off, NEVER quit. $$$ for Apple FOREVER now >> matter HOW shitty they get. > > All Apple is doing is following Microsoft's lead, > especially when it comes to software subscriptions. > I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies > are working to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: > the elimination of private property. (We could > quibble about these companies being private themselves, > or just acknowledge that they're more part of the > government than private citizens.) > > See my .sig. When software is distributed online, it makes sense to see it as a service. The price I paid for Win11 Pro is for a license to use it, the price I paid for 365 is for a year of MS letting me use what I want from their apps and OneDrive, it's a equitable way of always having the latest software. Buying a boxed copy of MS Office, OTOH, would lock me in to one arbitrary release. >> Long long back, Bill Gates/M$ were sort of HEROES. > > Gates was never a hero in my eyes. Remember him > whining after a computer club spread his BASIC > interpreter around? Or whining nearly every week > when the DOJ foiled his various attempts at creating > a monopoly? He's nothing more than a mediocre > programmer (see below) who had the gift of the gab. Bill Gates isn't a hero for his business work, he's a hero for his charity work. Microsoft is an inevitable thing to exist. I for one don't really have beef with them, they're a little rough around the edges, but I think their work is more or less what is expected of them. >> DOS 1.x/2.x/3.x were GOOD for the period and M$ >> wasn't all twisted about you copying their stuff >> or compilers and such. > > No, but technically MS-DOS was a pile of crap. > Consider the COPY command's refusal to copy an > empty file (something which it did _not_ inherit > from CP/M, whose PIP command worked correctly). > Or its flakiness in advancing the date at midnight, > or that ridiculous hex 1A "end of file" character > which should have been eliminated the moment people > realized that the MS-DOS file system was storing > the file size to the byte, making the hex 1A > useful for nothing but losing data in the event > of, say a line hit. We're still talking about DOS? >> And then it all went SO BAD ... >> >> At some point soon I'm gonna need to buy a >> half-ass big-screen "phone". HATE 'em. Keep >> a little FLIP as my mobile now. > > I'll give up my flip phone when they pry it from > my cold dead fingers. It sends and receives calls > and texts (including pictures). I neither need > nor want anything more. They're not hard to > find, either. I got my latest one for $100; > its $50 predecessor was just too shitty, but > as with anything else you get what you pay for.. What do you do if you need a computer when you're driving? Do you even realize that you can get a map app on the smartphone? >> My carrier is >> not gonna support my great old landline much >> longer - they've already raised the PRICE >> insanely, hoping I'll quit. Clue, I'm NOT >> gonna buy the new crap-phone from THEM - but >> from another. Pref Android. Samsung phones >> are gonna be IT. > > In our latest account update with the telco, they > threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar. It sits > on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my > attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible. The Pixel doesn't appeal to me, Samsung is the best smartphone maker, IMO. Fuck Apple. -- Joel W. Crump Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-17 18:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <WRIgS.18653$Qsy6.197@fx33.iad> |
| In reply to | #89976 |
On 2026-08-17, Joel W. Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: > When software is distributed online, it makes sense to see it as a > service. Why? Linux is distributed online. > The price I paid for Win11 Pro is for a license to use it, the > price I paid for 365 is for a year of MS letting me use what > I want from their apps and OneDrive, it's a equitable way of > always having the latest software. Buying a boxed copy of > MS Office, OTOH, would lock me in to one arbitrary release. Given that software has started deteriorating with each successive release, constant upgrades are looking less and less attractive. But M$ would have you pay them whether you "upgrade" or not - it's just a way to rake in more money for doing nothing. > Bill Gates isn't a hero for his business work, he's a hero for his > charity work. <gag, choke> I gotta stop eating while reading. I figure Bill set up his foundation for one of two reasons: 1. To atone for the damage he's done to the computer industry. 2. As a PR move. Now that Melinda has separated from him and is starting to spend some of that money on actual charities, Bill is pissed. > What do you do if you need a computer when you're driving? > Do you even realize that you can get a map app on the smartphone? Most of my driving is in areas I've driven for 60 years. If I need to find details of one of the few areas I'm not familiar with, I have a map book in the car (and road maps for longer trips). Or I can look it up on my computer before I leave home. (That's called planning, doncha know.) -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-17 15:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <115vmn1$18mrp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89980 |
On 8/17/2026 2:59 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> When software is distributed online, it makes sense to see it as a >> service. > > Why? Linux is distributed online. Sure, it's the same as Windows, the only difference is there's no product key. >> The price I paid for Win11 Pro is for a license to use it, the >> price I paid for 365 is for a year of MS letting me use what >> I want from their apps and OneDrive, it's a equitable way of >> always having the latest software. Buying a boxed copy of >> MS Office, OTOH, would lock me in to one arbitrary release. > > Given that software has started deteriorating with each successive > release, constant upgrades are looking less and less attractive. > But M$ would have you pay them whether you "upgrade" or not - > it's just a way to rake in more money for doing nothing. I really don't use MS Office except for Outlook, I paid for 365 to have that and OneDrive, little else. But always having the fresh software seems the best, to me, so an annual fee is the best way to pay. >> Bill Gates isn't a hero for his business work, he's a hero for his >> charity work. > > <gag, choke> I gotta stop eating while reading. I figure Bill > set up his foundation for one of two reasons: > > 1. To atone for the damage he's done to the computer industry. What do you figure that really is, though? Microsoft is part of the industry. Nothing is gonna be perfect. The market accepted them as the leader. > 2. As a PR move. > > Now that Melinda has separated from him and is starting to > spend some of that money on actual charities, Bill is pissed. Bill Gates did one initiative to install flushing toilets in people's houses, that's a big deal, something people in the first world just take for granted. >> What do you do if you need a computer when you're driving? >> Do you even realize that you can get a map app on the smartphone? > > Most of my driving is in areas I've driven for 60 years. > If I need to find details of one of the few areas I'm not > familiar with, I have a map book in the car (and road maps > for longer trips). Or I can look it up on my computer > before I leave home. (That's called planning, doncha know.) I mean, yeah, planning is great, but when you are in a random unknown place and need to get oriented quickly, a smartphone is the solution, I have seen it in practice and benefited from it. -- Joel W. Crump Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-17 21:20 +0100 |
| Subject | OT (was: Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11) |
| Message-ID | <115vqf4$1a385$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89983 |
(Should we take this to e-s.talk?) On 2026/8/17 20:16:48, Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 8/17/2026 2:59 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >>> When software is distributed online, it makes sense to see it as a >>> service. >> >> Why? Linux is distributed online. > > > Sure, it's the same as Windows, the only difference is there's no > product key. > > >>> The price I paid for Win11 Pro is for a license to use it, the >>> price I paid for 365 is for a year of MS letting me use what >>> I want from their apps and OneDrive, it's a equitable way of >>> always having the latest software. Buying a boxed copy of >>> MS Office, OTOH, would lock me in to one arbitrary release. Depends whether you _want_ what the later releases give you. Granted, I haven't really _looked_ into what the later ones give me, but I've yet to find anything I want to do that my Office 2003 (with the patches for the x versions so I can exchange with those who use them) can't do. (And I certainly have no desire for OneDrive.) Each to his or her own, though! >> >> Given that software has started deteriorating with each successive >> release, constant upgrades are looking less and less attractive. That certainly is the impression I get. Plus needing constant replacement of OS in order to use them - OK, "constant" is overstating, but they only support so far back in OSs. >> But M$ would have you pay them whether you "upgrade" or not - >> it's just a way to rake in more money for doing nothing. > I wouldn't claim they're doing _nothing_, just nothing _I_ want (combined with bloat and the above support assumptions). > > I really don't use MS Office except for Outlook, I paid for 365 to have > that and OneDrive, little else. But always having the fresh software > seems the best, to me, so an annual fee is the best way to pay. > > >>> Bill Gates isn't a hero for his business work, he's a hero for his >>> charity work. >> >> <gag, choke> I gotta stop eating while reading. I figure Bill >> set up his foundation for one of two reasons: >> >> 1. To atone for the damage he's done to the computer industry. > > > What do you figure that really is, though? Microsoft is part of the > industry. Nothing is gonna be perfect. The market accepted them as the > leader. > I think he did a lot of good (and some bad) in the early days; latterly, I don't think he had much to do with Microsoft. On balance, I find him inoffensive - and certainly there are a lot of far worse people.> >> 2. As a PR move. >> >> Now that Melinda has separated from him and is starting to >> spend some of that money on actual charities, Bill is pissed. > (3. Tax reasons? Though I think he genuinely wanted to do some good.)> > Bill Gates did one initiative to install flushing toilets in people's > houses, that's a big deal, something people in the first world just take > for granted. > > >>> What do you do if you need a computer when you're driving? >>> Do you even realize that you can get a map app on the smartphone? >> >> Most of my driving is in areas I've driven for 60 years. >> If I need to find details of one of the few areas I'm not >> familiar with, I have a map book in the car (and road maps >> for longer trips). Or I can look it up on my computer >> before I leave home. (That's called planning, doncha know.) > Plus, a lot of map "apps" - like a lot of other apps - are actually only a gateway to an online database, i. e. won't work where there's no signal. (OK, if you know you're going to use them in advance, you can in many "apps" pre-download the maps for the areas you're going to be in.)> > I mean, yeah, planning is great, but when you are in a random unknown > place and need to get oriented quickly, a smartphone is the solution, I > have seen it in practice and benefited from it. > A dedicated SatNav (US name GPS) will work too. Where the _online_ ones come into their own - and fine if you have a permanently-on data contract you're using for other things anyway (and have signal) - is where there are roadworks, traffic conditions, and so on. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf If this power [television] is ever brought to mechanical perfection, there is little reason, except the desire to be gregarious, that anyone but a few should go in person to any place of entertainment again. - BBC yearbook 1930
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-17 16:42 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <115vrod$1aijb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89991 |
On 8/17/2026 4:20 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/8/17 20:16:48, Joel W. Crump wrote: >> On 8/17/2026 2:59 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>>> The price I paid for Win11 Pro is for a license to use it, the >>>> price I paid for 365 is for a year of MS letting me use what >>>> I want from their apps and OneDrive, it's a equitable way of >>>> always having the latest software. Buying a boxed copy of >>>> MS Office, OTOH, would lock me in to one arbitrary release. > > Depends whether you _want_ what the later releases give you. Granted, I > haven't really _looked_ into what the later ones give me, but I've yet > to find anything I want to do that my Office 2003 (with the patches for > the x versions so I can exchange with those who use them) can't do. (And > I certainly have no desire for OneDrive.) Each to his or her own, though! Office 2003? Under what OS, exactly? I mean, that's kind of like still using a DVD player, instead of a modern video entertainment device. >>>> What do you do if you need a computer when you're driving? >>>> Do you even realize that you can get a map app on the smartphone? >>> >>> Most of my driving is in areas I've driven for 60 years. >>> If I need to find details of one of the few areas I'm not >>> familiar with, I have a map book in the car (and road maps >>> for longer trips). Or I can look it up on my computer >>> before I leave home. (That's called planning, doncha know.) >> > Plus, a lot of map "apps" - like a lot of other apps - are actually only > a gateway to an online database, i. e. won't work where there's no > signal. (OK, if you know you're going to use them in advance, you can in > many "apps" pre-download the maps for the areas you're going to be in.)> That's true, a paper map where cell service is inadequate is still useful. >> I mean, yeah, planning is great, but when you are in a random unknown >> place and need to get oriented quickly, a smartphone is the solution, I >> have seen it in practice and benefited from it. >> > A dedicated SatNav (US name GPS) will work too. Where the _online_ ones > come into their own - and fine if you have a permanently-on data > contract you're using for other things anyway (and have signal) - is > where there are roadworks, traffic conditions, and so on. I tend to think that having up-to-the-moment instructions for driving is usually indicated. The smartphone sold me on itself pretty quick after I got one. I had been reluctant to adopt the technology, myself, but found myself separated from my computer for an extended period and the phone gave me Internet on an alternative device. I soon realized having both is ideal. -- Joel W. Crump Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-17 22:21 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <115vu1l$1bah6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89992 |
On 2026/8/17 21:42:53, Joel W. Crump wrote: [] > Office 2003? Under what OS, exactly? I mean, that's kind of like still Seems to run fine under Windows 10; I believe it would under 11, too. Are you aware of anything you actually _do_ with whatever Office you have, that 2003 (with .###x plugins) can't do? Not things you _could_ do with it, but that you actually _use_. > using a DVD player, instead of a modern video entertainment device. > What's a "modern video entertainment device"? I do have lots of .mp4 files on this laptop, and watch them there - so far always on its own screen, though it does have an HDMI output (and I think both my TVs have an HDMI input). If someone gave you a DVD, what would you watch it on?[] >> Plus, a lot of map "apps" - like a lot of other apps - are actually only >> a gateway to an online database, i. e. won't work where there's no >> signal. (OK, if you know you're going to use them in advance, you can in >> many "apps" pre-download the maps for the areas you're going to be in.)> > > > That's true, a paper map where cell service is inadequate is still useful. > A dedicated SatNav/GPS can be better (and GPS coverage is pretty universal, except in very narrow valleys or insude structures). [I still use paper maps for another hobby - genealogy - but there, often the more out-of-date the better!]> >>> I mean, yeah, planning is great, but when you are in a random unknown >>> place and need to get oriented quickly, a smartphone is the solution, I >>> have seen it in practice and benefited from it. >>> >> A dedicated SatNav (US name GPS) will work too. Where the _online_ ones >> come into their own - and fine if you have a permanently-on data >> contract you're using for other things anyway (and have signal) - is >> where there are roadworks, traffic conditions, and so on. > > > I tend to think that having up-to-the-moment instructions for driving is > usually indicated. The smartphone sold me on itself pretty quick after > I got one. I had been reluctant to adopt the technology, myself, but I have been with someone using her smartphone to give me directions, and it does indeed work very well. > found myself separated from my computer for an extended period and the > phone gave me Internet on an alternative device. I soon realized having > both is ideal. > I _may_ switch to cellular for internet entirely - certainly, the option to have it anywhere (there is coverage) is attractive; however, until then, having to pay for an extra contract seems a needless expense. (I don't go out much; I do have a - non "smart" - mobile for emergencies, but it's on a PAYG, _not_ monthly, contract. [About 2 pounds per 180 days, for the calls I have to make to keep the number active.]) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ... a series about a grumpy old man who lives in a phone box is unlikely to have been commissioned these days. 798 episodes later ...
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-17 18:23 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <11601lm$1ce72$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89994 |
On 8/17/2026 5:21 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> Office 2003? Under what OS, exactly? I mean, that's kind of like still > > Seems to run fine under Windows 10; I believe it would under 11, too. > > Are you aware of anything you actually _do_ with whatever Office you > have, that 2003 (with .###x plugins) can't do? Not things you _could_ do > with it, but that you actually _use_. Fair point, but I just like having the contemporary software. >> using a DVD player, instead of a modern video entertainment device. >> > What's a "modern video entertainment device"? I do have lots of .mp4 > files on this laptop, and watch them there - so far always on its own > screen, though it does have an HDMI output (and I think both my TVs have > an HDMI input). A computer is indeed one such device. I have my TV as a second monitor, in fact. But the TV itself can show me listings, services available for streaming. > If someone gave you a DVD, what would you watch it on?[] I just see that as obsolete, I guess. >>> Plus, a lot of map "apps" - like a lot of other apps - are actually only >>> a gateway to an online database, i. e. won't work where there's no >>> signal. (OK, if you know you're going to use them in advance, you can in >>> many "apps" pre-download the maps for the areas you're going to be in.)> >> >> That's true, a paper map where cell service is inadequate is still useful. >> > A dedicated SatNav/GPS can be better (and GPS coverage is pretty > universal, except in very narrow valleys or insude structures). [I still > use paper maps for another hobby - genealogy - but there, often the more > out-of-date the better!]> Would be nice to have something that was independent of cell service. It's something I'd purchase were I to go on an adventure that would likely make it needed. >> found myself separated from my computer for an extended period and the >> phone gave me Internet on an alternative device. I soon realized having >> both is ideal. >> > I _may_ switch to cellular for internet entirely - certainly, the option > to have it anywhere (there is coverage) is attractive; however, until > then, having to pay for an extra contract seems a needless expense. (I > don't go out much; I do have a - non "smart" - mobile for emergencies, > but it's on a PAYG, _not_ monthly, contract. [About 2 pounds per 180 > days, for the calls I have to make to keep the number active.]) If you have truly-unlimited data on a phone, you don't need landline Internet, it's true. Kind of a good way to save money, I imagine, for people who are casual users. I happen to get fiber broadband included with my rent, the house WiFi, but it is good that my phone has a backup way of connecting the computer with a hotspot. -- Joel W. Crump Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-17 14:34 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <20260817143455.0000698c@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #89992 |
On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:42:53 -0400 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: > I mean, that's kind of like still using a DVD player, instead of a > modern video entertainment device. What can I say, the DVD/VCR handles everything I need except for LaserDiscs, and the LD player takes care of that.
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-17 18:24 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <11601n7$1ce72$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89995 |
On 8/17/2026 5:34 PM, John Ames wrote: >> I mean, that's kind of like still using a DVD player, instead of a >> modern video entertainment device. > > What can I say, the DVD/VCR handles everything I need except for > LaserDiscs, and the LD player takes care of that. Having the material in the cloud has a real benefit. -- Joel W. Crump Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-17 15:40 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <20260817154054.00002ebd@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #89997 |
On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 18:24:40 -0400 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I mean, that's kind of like still using a DVD player, instead of a > >> modern video entertainment device. > > > > What can I say, the DVD/VCR handles everything I need except for > > LaserDiscs, and the LD player takes care of that. > > Having the material in the cloud has a real benefit. None that I've ever found a need for, personally.
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-17 18:44 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <11602sv$1cold$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89998 |
On 8/17/2026 6:40 PM, John Ames wrote: >>>> I mean, that's kind of like still using a DVD player, instead of a >>>> modern video entertainment device. >>> >>> What can I say, the DVD/VCR handles everything I need except for >>> LaserDiscs, and the LD player takes care of that. >> >> Having the material in the cloud has a real benefit. > > None that I've ever found a need for, personally. You could use anything you want to use, sure, but the independence of the data from the contraption, it being streamed online, is a benefit. -- Joel W. Crump Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 07:51 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <20260818075152.00006860@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #89999 |
On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 18:44:48 -0400 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: > You could use anything you want to use, sure, but the independence of > the data from the contraption, it being streamed online, is a benefit. What a peculiar thing to say. Data has no reality in meatspace outside of a contraption, unless you count printed matter. Weighing one con- traption against another, then, streaming has many more possible points of failure and its end result is exactly the same: moving pictures with accompanying audio.
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 11:20 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <1161t71$1tvf5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90065 |
On 8/18/2026 10:51 AM, John Ames wrote: >> You could use anything you want to use, sure, but the independence of >> the data from the contraption, it being streamed online, is a benefit. > > What a peculiar thing to say. Data has no reality in meatspace outside > of a contraption, unless you count printed matter. Weighing one con- > traption against another, then, streaming has many more possible points > of failure and its end result is exactly the same: moving pictures with > accompanying audio. It does require having solid network signal, sure. -- Joel W. Crump Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 10:24 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <20260818102457.000001d6@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #90066 |
On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 11:20:02 -0400 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: > > What a peculiar thing to say. Data has no reality in meatspace > > outside of a contraption, unless you count printed matter. Weighing > > one con- traption against another, then, streaming has many more > > possible points of failure and its end result is exactly the same: > > moving pictures with accompanying audio. > > It does require having solid network signal, sure. It also requires the server to be up (which requires the provider to be solvent and the infrastructure to be maintained) and the provider to have legal rights to the content you're looking for, be incentivized to offer it to you (be that through ad revenue, subacription, or commonly, both,) and to not be run by jackass media executives prone to playing games with one series's availability in hopes of boosting viewership numbers for another series they think it might be competing with. But, y'know, other than *that...!*
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <fYNgS.25817$YHa3.1302@fx15.iad> |
| In reply to | #89997 |
On 2026-08-17, Joel W. Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: > On 8/17/2026 5:34 PM, John Ames wrote: > >>> I mean, that's kind of like still using a DVD player, instead of a >>> modern video entertainment device. >> >> What can I say, the DVD/VCR handles everything I need except for >> LaserDiscs, and the LD player takes care of that. > > Having the material in the cloud has a real benefit. Some benefits, perhaps. Still, having a physical DVD means that you can watch it anywhere, anytime, without needing Internet access and saying "mother may I" (and possibly paying) every time. And it isn't going to suddenly vanish on the whim of a marketroid. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-17 20:51 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <1160aak$1eosk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90005 |
On 8/17/2026 8:47 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-08-17, Joel W. Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 8/17/2026 5:34 PM, John Ames wrote: >> >>>> I mean, that's kind of like still using a DVD player, instead of a >>>> modern video entertainment device. >>> >>> What can I say, the DVD/VCR handles everything I need except for >>> LaserDiscs, and the LD player takes care of that. >> >> Having the material in the cloud has a real benefit. > > Some benefits, perhaps. Still, having a physical DVD means that > you can watch it anywhere, anytime, without needing Internet > access and saying "mother may I" (and possibly paying) every time. > And it isn't going to suddenly vanish on the whim of a marketroid. If you want a hard copy, the DVD/Blu-Ray disc matters, sure. For general playback, streaming is better, though. -- Joel W. Crump Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 03:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <nei07iFpk4lU41@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90008 |
On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 20:51:33 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote: > If you want a hard copy, the DVD/Blu-Ray disc matters, sure. For > general playback, streaming is better, though. Netflix DVDs didn't have Geico ads popping up randomly. One would think that with the marvels of AI they could refrain from repeating the same damn ad during one viewing session.
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