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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.sys.mac.advocacy |
| Subject | OT (was: Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11) |
| Date | 2026-08-17 21:20 +0100 |
| Organization | 255 software |
| Message-ID | <115vqf4$1a385$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | (5 earlier) <DN6dnS0f_uoCDh_3nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> <g5HgS.20566$X0O7.18565@fx35.iad> <115vhbg$16o12$1@dont-email.me> <WRIgS.18653$Qsy6.197@fx33.iad> <115vmn1$18mrp$1@dont-email.me> |
Cross-posted to 5 groups.
(Should we take this to e-s.talk?) On 2026/8/17 20:16:48, Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 8/17/2026 2:59 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >>> When software is distributed online, it makes sense to see it as a >>> service. >> >> Why? Linux is distributed online. > > > Sure, it's the same as Windows, the only difference is there's no > product key. > > >>> The price I paid for Win11 Pro is for a license to use it, the >>> price I paid for 365 is for a year of MS letting me use what >>> I want from their apps and OneDrive, it's a equitable way of >>> always having the latest software. Buying a boxed copy of >>> MS Office, OTOH, would lock me in to one arbitrary release. Depends whether you _want_ what the later releases give you. Granted, I haven't really _looked_ into what the later ones give me, but I've yet to find anything I want to do that my Office 2003 (with the patches for the x versions so I can exchange with those who use them) can't do. (And I certainly have no desire for OneDrive.) Each to his or her own, though! >> >> Given that software has started deteriorating with each successive >> release, constant upgrades are looking less and less attractive. That certainly is the impression I get. Plus needing constant replacement of OS in order to use them - OK, "constant" is overstating, but they only support so far back in OSs. >> But M$ would have you pay them whether you "upgrade" or not - >> it's just a way to rake in more money for doing nothing. > I wouldn't claim they're doing _nothing_, just nothing _I_ want (combined with bloat and the above support assumptions). > > I really don't use MS Office except for Outlook, I paid for 365 to have > that and OneDrive, little else. But always having the fresh software > seems the best, to me, so an annual fee is the best way to pay. > > >>> Bill Gates isn't a hero for his business work, he's a hero for his >>> charity work. >> >> <gag, choke> I gotta stop eating while reading. I figure Bill >> set up his foundation for one of two reasons: >> >> 1. To atone for the damage he's done to the computer industry. > > > What do you figure that really is, though? Microsoft is part of the > industry. Nothing is gonna be perfect. The market accepted them as the > leader. > I think he did a lot of good (and some bad) in the early days; latterly, I don't think he had much to do with Microsoft. On balance, I find him inoffensive - and certainly there are a lot of far worse people.> >> 2. As a PR move. >> >> Now that Melinda has separated from him and is starting to >> spend some of that money on actual charities, Bill is pissed. > (3. Tax reasons? Though I think he genuinely wanted to do some good.)> > Bill Gates did one initiative to install flushing toilets in people's > houses, that's a big deal, something people in the first world just take > for granted. > > >>> What do you do if you need a computer when you're driving? >>> Do you even realize that you can get a map app on the smartphone? >> >> Most of my driving is in areas I've driven for 60 years. >> If I need to find details of one of the few areas I'm not >> familiar with, I have a map book in the car (and road maps >> for longer trips). Or I can look it up on my computer >> before I leave home. (That's called planning, doncha know.) > Plus, a lot of map "apps" - like a lot of other apps - are actually only a gateway to an online database, i. e. won't work where there's no signal. (OK, if you know you're going to use them in advance, you can in many "apps" pre-download the maps for the areas you're going to be in.)> > I mean, yeah, planning is great, but when you are in a random unknown > place and need to get oriented quickly, a smartphone is the solution, I > have seen it in practice and benefited from it. > A dedicated SatNav (US name GPS) will work too. Where the _online_ ones come into their own - and fine if you have a permanently-on data contract you're using for other things anyway (and have signal) - is where there are roadworks, traffic conditions, and so on. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf If this power [television] is ever brought to mechanical perfection, there is little reason, except the desire to be gregarious, that anyone but a few should go in person to any place of entertainment again. - BBC yearbook 1930
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Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:10 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 21:15 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:21 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-15 22:56 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 19:36 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-16 08:53 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 02:26 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 03:01 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 09:48 -0700
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:54 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 17:49 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 19:33 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:39 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-17 21:01 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 20:13 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 14:30 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 17:44 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-16 17:01 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 00:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 16:58 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 13:45 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 18:59 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:16 -0400
OT (was: Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 21:20 +0100
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 16:42 -0400
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 22:21 +0100
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:23 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:24 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:40 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:44 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:51 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 11:20 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 10:24 -0700
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 20:51 -0400
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:01 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 02:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-18 08:39 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:15 +1000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:25 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:44 +1000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:18 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 08:36 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:16 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 18:07 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:40 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 19:45 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 02:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:10 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 00:48 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:26 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 08:55 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:24 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:37 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 20:51 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 04:32 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 05:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:25 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 15:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:30 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:30 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 22:52 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-19 05:54 +0200
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-16 20:25 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 23:42 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-16 08:45 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 04:59 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-16 08:09 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 15:13 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 16:14 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-16 20:26 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-16 11:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 13:45 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-16 13:01 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-16 20:15 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 14:48 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 10:32 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-08-17 18:13 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 00:12 -0400
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