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LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks

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  LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-03 20:50 -0400
    Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 07:10 +0000
      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-04 10:44 +0200
        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 17:53 +0000
          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:47 -0400
            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 20:26 +0000
      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-04 11:14 +0100
        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 18:07 +0000
          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:55 -0400
            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:42 +0100
            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 14:09 +0000
              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:42 +0100
                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-05 20:19 +0000
                  Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 22:38 +0000
                    Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:45 +0100
                      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 21:03 +0000
                        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 22:30 +0100
                  Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:19 +0100
                    Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:43 +0000
                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 22:36 +0000
                  Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:37 +0100
                    Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 21:12 +0000
                      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 22:33 +0100
                        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 04:45 +0000
                          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-07 01:57 -0400
                            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 11:44 +0100
                              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 20:08 +0000
                                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 21:41 +0100
                            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 20:06 +0000
                              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-07 23:06 -0400
                                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-08 05:18 +0000
                                  Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-08 01:37 -0400
                                    Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-08 08:14 +0000
                          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 11:42 +0100
                    Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 23:41 -0400
                      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-07 19:16 +0000
                        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-07 22:49 -0400
                        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-08 05:22 +0000
                          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-08 01:39 -0400
                            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-08 08:08 +0000
                            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-08 10:28 +0100
                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 02:19 -0400
              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 02:18 -0400
                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:14 +0000
              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-06 14:22 +0200
                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 21:19 +0000
          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:40 +0100
            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 20:39 +0000
              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:35 +0100
                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:27 +0000
      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 00:58 -0400
        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 06:14 +0000
          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 03:52 -0400
            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 14:07 +0000
          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:46 +0100

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#89632

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-06 12:37 +0100
Message-ID<1151rm5$3p218$10@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89617
On 05/08/2026 23:36, rbowman wrote:
> I learned something else of value. We bought the bare press frame from
> Daniels of Stroud.
> 
> https://www.stroudlocalhistorysociety.org.uk/research/daniels/
> 
> Shortly before it was to be shipped the UK had one of their little dock
> strikes. A 100 ton press refers to the clamping force and doesn't weigh
> 100 tons but shipping the thing air freight was a bit pricey. It would
> hardly fit into your carry on luggage.
> 
> Depending on international trade has its drawbacks.

As does unionised dock labour.

There are no dockers any more. Just one man in a crane and containers 
everywhere


-- 
"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14

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#89664

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-06 21:12 +0000
Message-ID<ndkbm7Ff88dU14@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89632
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:37:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 05/08/2026 23:36, rbowman wrote:
>> I learned something else of value. We bought the bare press frame from
>> Daniels of Stroud.
>> 
>> https://www.stroudlocalhistorysociety.org.uk/research/daniels/
>> 
>> Shortly before it was to be shipped the UK had one of their little dock
>> strikes. A 100 ton press refers to the clamping force and doesn't weigh
>> 100 tons but shipping the thing air freight was a bit pricey. It would
>> hardly fit into your carry on luggage.
>> 
>> Depending on international trade has its drawbacks.
> 
> As does unionised dock labour.
> 
> There are no dockers any more. Just one man in a crane and containers
> everywhere

My brother-in-law was in the Merchant Marine as a deck officer. The switch 
to containers came early in his career. No more exploring foreign ports. 
Dock at 2AM, be off again by 6AM. While he had a master's rating he never 
sailed higher than 2nd mate, and then only for 6 months out of the year. 
The Masters, Mates & Pilots union was parceling out work in a dying 
industry. Dying for US flagged vessels, that is. I'd considered that 
career in high school as an engineering officer rather than a deck 
officer. Thankfully I went in another direction.

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#89669

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-06 22:33 +0100
Message-ID<1152ujr$501h$11@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89664
On 06/08/2026 22:12, rbowman wrote:
> My brother-in-law was in the Merchant Marine as a deck officer. The switch
> to containers came early in his career. No more exploring foreign ports.
> Dock at 2AM, be off again by 6AM. While he had a master's rating he never
> sailed higher than 2nd mate, and then only for 6 months out of the year.
> The Masters, Mates & Pilots union was parceling out work in a dying
> industry. Dying for US flagged vessels, that is. I'd considered that
> career in high school as an engineering officer rather than a deck
> officer. Thankfully I went in another direction.

Yes. register your ship in Liberia and pick whatever crew you could get 
at below minimum wage.

Out of interest I looked it up. Crew on a large container ship can be as 
few as 10 and as many as 30, but no more than that.

Nice cheap way to push goods round the world

They will be nuclear in ten years, most likely

-- 
"It was a lot more fun being 20 in the 70's that it is being 70 in the 20's"
Joew Walsh

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#89679

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-07 04:45 +0000
Message-ID<ndl67vFf88dU25@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89669
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 22:33:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 06/08/2026 22:12, rbowman wrote:
>> My brother-in-law was in the Merchant Marine as a deck officer. The
>> switch to containers came early in his career. No more exploring
>> foreign ports.
>> Dock at 2AM, be off again by 6AM. While he had a master's rating he
>> never sailed higher than 2nd mate, and then only for 6 months out of
>> the year.
>> The Masters, Mates & Pilots union was parceling out work in a dying
>> industry. Dying for US flagged vessels, that is. I'd considered that
>> career in high school as an engineering officer rather than a deck
>> officer. Thankfully I went in another direction.
> 
> Yes. register your ship in Liberia and pick whatever crew you could get
> at below minimum wage.

Jack London's 'The Mutiny of the Elsinore'  isn't one of his works on 
reading lists like 'Call of the Wild'.

https://obdg.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-mutiny-of-elsinore-by-jack-
london.html

He might be describing the crew of a Liberian vessel. The socialists would 
like to include London in their fold but they have to tread very lightly.

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#89681

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-07 01:57 -0400
Message-ID<WMmcnQ8NqIY97uj3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#89679
On 8/7/26 00:45, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 22:33:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 06/08/2026 22:12, rbowman wrote:
>>> My brother-in-law was in the Merchant Marine as a deck officer. The
>>> switch to containers came early in his career. No more exploring
>>> foreign ports.
>>> Dock at 2AM, be off again by 6AM. While he had a master's rating he
>>> never sailed higher than 2nd mate, and then only for 6 months out of
>>> the year.
>>> The Masters, Mates & Pilots union was parceling out work in a dying
>>> industry. Dying for US flagged vessels, that is. I'd considered that
>>> career in high school as an engineering officer rather than a deck
>>> officer. Thankfully I went in another direction.
>>
>> Yes. register your ship in Liberia and pick whatever crew you could get
>> at below minimum wage.
> 
> Jack London's 'The Mutiny of the Elsinore'  isn't one of his works on
> reading lists like 'Call of the Wild'.
> 
> https://obdg.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-mutiny-of-elsinore-by-jack-
> london.html
> 
> He might be describing the crew of a Liberian vessel. The socialists would
> like to include London in their fold but they have to tread very lightly.

   Well, sometimes London sounded like a 'socialist'
   but really he wasn't. They can try to STEAL and
   BIAS his stuff but they won't be entirely successful.

   Alas the modern gens won't REALIZE the distortions ...
   in USA "history" is kind of forbidden now, you can
   ONLY teach the ultra-left 'truths' to the kiddies
   Or ELSE.

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#89685

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-07 11:44 +0100
Message-ID<1154ctj$j5m2$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89681
On 07/08/2026 06:57, c186282 wrote:
> Alas the modern gens won't REALIZE the distortions ...
>    in USA "history" is kind of forbidden now, you can
>    ONLY teach the ultra-left 'truths' to the kiddies
>    Or ELSE.

Instead of creationism...
TBH I see the USA more than any other country as bing torn apart by two 
different lies, while the truth dares not show its face...

-- 
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is 
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

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#89713

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-07 20:08 +0000
Message-ID<ndmsanFrrpgU7@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89685
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 11:44:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 07/08/2026 06:57, c186282 wrote:
>> Alas the modern gens won't REALIZE the distortions ...
>>    in USA "history" is kind of forbidden now, you can ONLY teach the
>>    ultra-left 'truths' to the kiddies Or ELSE.
> 
> Instead of creationism...
> TBH I see the USA more than any other country as bing torn apart by two
> different lies, while the truth dares not show its face...

What is truth? The US was founded on Enlightenment principles that were 
either lies or wishful thinking depending on your personal preferences.

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#89715

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-07 21:41 +0100
Message-ID<1155fss$vgjn$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89713
On 07/08/2026 21:08, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 11:44:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 07/08/2026 06:57, c186282 wrote:
>>> Alas the modern gens won't REALIZE the distortions ...
>>>     in USA "history" is kind of forbidden now, you can ONLY teach the
>>>     ultra-left 'truths' to the kiddies Or ELSE.
>>
>> Instead of creationism...
>> TBH I see the USA more than any other country as bing torn apart by two
>> different lies, while the truth dares not show its face...
> 
> What is truth? The US was founded on Enlightenment principles that were
> either lies or wishful thinking depending on your personal preferences.

Well it is of course3 'whatever is the case'

That is, it is the basic reality that we can all agree on without arguing.

Politics is mostly weaponised bullshit.


-- 
Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend.

"Saki"

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#89712

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-07 20:06 +0000
Message-ID<ndms58FrrpgU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89681
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 01:57:20 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>   Well, sometimes London sounded like a 'socialist'
>    but really he wasn't. They can try to STEAL and BIAS his stuff but
>    they won't be entirely successful.

https://www.online-literature.com/london/3875/

https://cosmonautmag.com/2025/08/the-idiosyncratic-socialism-of-jack-
london/

Had he lived London might have been comfortable with Otto Strasser's Black 
Front or Durgin's National Bolshevism or other third way movements. The 
DSA would make him vomit.

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#89725

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-07 23:06 -0400
Message-ID<56ecnTvZWciqAOv3nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#89712
On 8/7/26 16:06, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 01:57:20 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>    Well, sometimes London sounded like a 'socialist'
>>     but really he wasn't. They can try to STEAL and BIAS his stuff but
>>     they won't be entirely successful.
> 
> https://www.online-literature.com/london/3875/
> 
> https://cosmonautmag.com/2025/08/the-idiosyncratic-socialism-of-jack-
> london/
> 
> Had he lived London might have been comfortable with Otto Strasser's Black
> Front or Durgin's National Bolshevism or other third way movements. The
> DSA would make him vomit.

   Today's news, Fox I think, some DSA high-up
   demanding "Marxist-Leninist PUNISHMENT" for
   other Dems who won't suck up.

   "Marxist-Leninist punishment" means *EXECUTION*.

   Time to CRUSH these dangerous assholes.

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#89729

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-08 05:18 +0000
Message-ID<ndnsi2Ft8v8U6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89725
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 23:06:13 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Today's news, Fox I think, some DSA high-up demanding
>    "Marxist-Leninist PUNISHMENT" for other Dems who won't suck up.

Hasan Piker.  The DSA is having a moment. 

https://inthesetimes.com/article/dsa-socialist-alternative-entryism-
socialism-marxism

Piker is reverting to the old CPUSA days. Moscow would announce the party 
line of the day and everyone would fall in. That led to some interesting 
cases of whiplash. The Almanac Singers, which morphed into the Weavers, 
were all for peace and isolationism and worked with the American Peace 
Mobilization, a Communist front.

Then in June 1941 it became American Peoples Mobilization and joined the 
war effort.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUzu7KCMVcU

'The Sinking Of The Reuben James'  Woody Guthrie

Guthrie also added the 'This Machine Kills Fascists' artwork to his 
guitar.

Michael Harrington, one of the DSA founders, tried to keep the communists 
out. I don't know if he would recognize what it's become. Despite a good 
Catholic upbringing he was a Zionist.

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#89731

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-08 01:37 -0400
Message-ID<nrCcnWRQlNA5Xev3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#89729
On 8/8/26 01:18, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 23:06:13 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Today's news, Fox I think, some DSA high-up demanding
>>     "Marxist-Leninist PUNISHMENT" for other Dems who won't suck up.
> 
> Hasan Piker.  The DSA is having a moment.
> 
> https://inthesetimes.com/article/dsa-socialist-alternative-entryism-
> socialism-marxism
> 
> Piker is reverting to the old CPUSA days. Moscow would announce the party
> line of the day and everyone would fall in. That led to some interesting
> cases of whiplash. The Almanac Singers, which morphed into the Weavers,
> were all for peace and isolationism and worked with the American Peace
> Mobilization, a Communist front.
> 
> Then in June 1941 it became American Peoples Mobilization and joined the
> war effort.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUzu7KCMVcU
> 
> 'The Sinking Of The Reuben James'  Woody Guthrie
> 
> Guthrie also added the 'This Machine Kills Fascists' artwork to his
> guitar.
> 
> Michael Harrington, one of the DSA founders, tried to keep the communists
> out. I don't know if he would recognize what it's become. Despite a good
> Catholic upbringing he was a Zionist.

   This is more than "a moment" - it's an outright
   call for *assassinations* and *executions*.

   If you're read ANYTHING about "Marxist-Leninist"
   you'll know it involved HUGE deadly purges. You
   are either 101% with their revolutionary vision
   or ELSE.

   In context, this utterance was a huge DEATH THREAT.

   And should be handled as such.

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#89739

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-08 08:14 +0000
Message-ID<ndo6rkFt8v8U15@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89731
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 01:37:13 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    This is more than "a moment" - it's an outright call for
>    *assassinations* and *executions*.
> 
>    If you're read ANYTHING about "Marxist-Leninist" you'll know it
>    involved HUGE deadly purges. You are either 101% with their
>    revolutionary vision or ELSE.
> 
>    In context, this utterance was a huge DEATH THREAT.
> 
>    And should be handled as such.

If the DSA wants to set up a circular firing squad more power to them. 
They can have The Night of the Short Rubber Knives or something.

I sort of wonder about Bernie. He identifies as a democratic socialist but 
he's really a social democrat. Big difference. Adulation by the kiddies 
might feel good but I'm not sure he's quite ready for the new breed. AOC 
is sort of harmless. El Manadan or whoever isn't.

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#89684

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-07 11:42 +0100
Message-ID<1154cpu$j5m2$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89679
On 07/08/2026 05:45, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 22:33:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 06/08/2026 22:12, rbowman wrote:
>>> My brother-in-law was in the Merchant Marine as a deck officer. The
>>> switch to containers came early in his career. No more exploring
>>> foreign ports.
>>> Dock at 2AM, be off again by 6AM. While he had a master's rating he
>>> never sailed higher than 2nd mate, and then only for 6 months out of
>>> the year.
>>> The Masters, Mates & Pilots union was parceling out work in a dying
>>> industry. Dying for US flagged vessels, that is. I'd considered that
>>> career in high school as an engineering officer rather than a deck
>>> officer. Thankfully I went in another direction.
>>
>> Yes. register your ship in Liberia and pick whatever crew you could get
>> at below minimum wage.
> 
> Jack London's 'The Mutiny of the Elsinore'  isn't one of his works on
> reading lists like 'Call of the Wild'.
> 
> https://obdg.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-mutiny-of-elsinore-by-jack-
> london.html
> 
> He might be describing the crew of a Liberian vessel. The socialists would
> like to include London in their fold but they have to tread very lightly.
> 
The socialists want to appropriate everything popular. I wonder how they 
would get on with 'sometimes a great notion' [book]


-- 
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is 
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

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#89675

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-06 23:41 -0400
Message-ID<pr-dnemNHKBuzuj3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#89632
On 8/6/26 07:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 05/08/2026 23:36, rbowman wrote:
>> I learned something else of value. We bought the bare press frame from
>> Daniels of Stroud.
>>
>> https://www.stroudlocalhistorysociety.org.uk/research/daniels/
>>
>> Shortly before it was to be shipped the UK had one of their little dock
>> strikes. A 100 ton press refers to the clamping force and doesn't weigh
>> 100 tons but shipping the thing air freight was a bit pricey. It would
>> hardly fit into your carry on luggage.
>>
>> Depending on international trade has its drawbacks.
> 
> As does unionised dock labour.
> 
> There are no dockers any more. Just one man in a crane and containers 
> everywhere

   Loved the story a few years ago when they realized
   that all those huge cranes had Chinese cameras in
   them - which phoned home. Ergo the CCP could track
   ALL containers across the entire world :-)

   Sometimes the most effective spying is very subtle.

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#89704

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-08-07 19:16 +0000
Message-ID<daqdS.8233$bZ8b.1694@fx01.iad>
In reply to#89675
On 2026-08-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

>    Loved the story a few years ago when they realized
>    that all those huge cranes had Chinese cameras in
>    them - which phoned home. Ergo the CCP could track
>    ALL containers across the entire world :-)

I love the way people get so upset about things like this
but think that Google Analytics is OK.

>    Sometimes the most effective spying is very subtle.

Yup.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#89723

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-07 22:49 -0400
Message-ID<56ecnTnZWcj7BOv3nZ2dnZfqnPoAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#89704
On 8/7/26 15:16, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-08-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>>     Loved the story a few years ago when they realized
>>     that all those huge cranes had Chinese cameras in
>>     them - which phoned home. Ergo the CCP could track
>>     ALL containers across the entire world :-)
> 
> I love the way people get so upset about things like this
> but think that Google Analytics is OK.
> 
>>     Sometimes the most effective spying is very subtle.
> 
> Yup.
> 

   I don't think GA is especially good either.

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#89730

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-08 05:22 +0000
Message-ID<ndnspdFt8v8U7@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89704
On Fri, 07 Aug 2026 19:16:25 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-08-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>>    Loved the story a few years ago when they realized that all those
>>    huge cranes had Chinese cameras in them - which phoned home. Ergo
>>    the CCP could track ALL containers across the entire world :-)
> 
> I love the way people get so upset about things like this but think that
> Google Analytics is OK.
> 
>>    Sometimes the most effective spying is very subtle.
> 
> Yup.

There seems to be a growing grassroots feeling that the best answer to a 
Flock camera is a 12 gauge.

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#89732

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-08 01:39 -0400
Message-ID<56ecnTfZWcihXOv3nZ2dnZfqnPoAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#89730
On 8/8/26 01:22, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Aug 2026 19:16:25 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-08-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>
>>>     Loved the story a few years ago when they realized that all those
>>>     huge cranes had Chinese cameras in them - which phoned home. Ergo
>>>     the CCP could track ALL containers across the entire world :-)
>>
>> I love the way people get so upset about things like this but think that
>> Google Analytics is OK.
>>
>>>     Sometimes the most effective spying is very subtle.
>>
>> Yup.
> 
> There seems to be a growing grassroots feeling that the best answer to a
> Flock camera is a 12 gauge.

   Ummm ... they MAY be right.

   Those cams are EXPENSIVE ... major loss by
   whatever means cannot be sustained.

   Also seems The Public has kinda turned
   against them - don't BUY the 'crime'
   angle anymore.

   This is not just USA, but UK and beyond.

   Orwell has become just TOO obvious.

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#89738

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-08 08:08 +0000
Message-ID<ndo6fbFt8v8U14@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89732
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 01:39:54 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Also seems The Public has kinda turned against them - don't BUY the
>    'crime' angle anymore.

Law enforcement here does use them. Some cities have canceled their 
contracts because of the bad press but this one never had one. Even red 
light cameras were outlawed statewide in 2009. Some Karens would like to 
allow them but they haven't gotten traction


Scheel's and Lowe's have put them up the parking lots. 

https://deflock.org/

Handy little map with the coordinates and orientation of the camera if 
someone wants to go skeet shooting. I've also seen suggestions to homeless 
individuals that there are worthwhile quantities of various metals that 
could be salvaged.

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