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| First post | 2026-08-04 00:53 -0400 |
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Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-04 00:53 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-08-04 06:19 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 07:52 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 00:45 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 09:22 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:08 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:04 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 13:56 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 17:45 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:47 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:46 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-06 14:34 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 14:16 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 20:31 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:45 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-07 08:45 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:52 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:34 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-08 08:47 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:03 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:49 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 04:26 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:15 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-06 08:59 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 02:25 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:55 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:10 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 22:02 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:53 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:13 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 22:08 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 03:52 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:12 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-07 08:40 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:21 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:18 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-08 09:27 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:02 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 18:55 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-07 17:13 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 19:32 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-07 19:16 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 22:04 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 19:24 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon [OT] "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-07 21:30 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 21:46 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-08 09:39 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-08 09:21 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 07:00 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 08:45 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 17:23 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 18:43 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:18 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 09:27 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:00 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:56 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:10 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 09:29 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:18 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:49 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 00:47 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 06:03 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 03:34 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:17 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:10 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-04 11:24 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 17:30 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:14 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:51 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-04 15:04 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 17:03 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 01:53 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-05 19:47 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:51 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:57 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-05 20:14 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 19:49 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 11:12 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:15 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:22 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:39 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 02:27 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 11:38 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2026-08-07 13:35 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 14:10 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2026-08-07 15:02 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:32 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-08-07 11:01 -0700
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-07 19:16 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 21:37 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 19:35 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 23:37 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 18:14 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 22:03 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 11:03 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:32 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 02:22 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 11:12 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:09 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:57 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-08-06 14:14 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 14:18 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-08-06 09:55 -0700
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:48 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:42 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:43 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 02:26 +0000
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 19:32 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <fehhkmxat3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #89698 |
On 2026-08-07 19:13, Robert Riches wrote: > On 2026-08-07, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 2026-08-07 13:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 06/08/2026 23:40, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >> ... >> >>> I am always slightly amused by how backwards the USA is, Back in the >>> nineties I was on holiday and wanted to withdraw some money using my >>> MasterCard, I think we were on Nevada. The teller looked at the card and >>> said 'never seen one of those. I'll try'. Then her face lit up. 'It >>> worked!' she said. >>> >>> I had used that card all over Europe n different countries.... >>> >>> Things that amuse me >>> >>> - All wires are overhead. NO new wires are overhead in the UK >>> - All trucks use solid rear axles with cart springs. I haven't driven a >>> vehicle like that since 1980 >>> - broadband internet access doesn't really exist mostly. >>> - You have to *pay* for an ambulance, >> >> Recently it was on the news a guy that was having a walk in the >> countryside, a nurse. Somehow he fell or something, and his walking >> stick got stuck on his belly, not the centre, but the side. Instead of >> phoning rescue, he walked down, some 17 km, for fear of being ripped out >> by the cost of rescue. >> >> Amazing. > > It sounds like you're referring to this story: > > https://notthebee.com/article/american-man-hikes-10-miles-down-mountain-with-pole-through-side-to-avoid-pricey-medical-bill > > It wasn't an ordinary ambulance ride he was avoiding: > > As a nurse, he is likely aware that > being airlifted to an emergency > room would be a $20,000-$50,000 > bill. > > Since he wasn't losing much blood, > he decided to hike down and drive > himself to the hospital. > > ... > > After determining that he had not > punctured a lung or another organ, > David's friends Brad and Jess > helped him get down Granite Peak > and they called search and rescue > on their sat phone. > > Is helicopter rescue "free" in countries with socialized > medicine? > I'll ask chatGPT because I'm not sure. I only know about Spain, and yes, it is usually gratis if the emergency is true and not caused by negligence (like being stranded in a snow storm without having snow clothes and some food). Q: Is helicopter rescue free in the European Union? Say, somebody impaled with a walking stick up in a mountain. A: No. There is **no European Union-wide rule** that makes helicopter mountain rescue free or paid. Each country—and sometimes each region—has its own rules. The EU regulates aviation safety, but not who pays for rescue. ([Eur-Lex][1]) For your example—someone is impaled by a walking stick while hiking high in the mountains—the priority is to call the emergency services immediately. Whether a helicopter is dispatched depends on medical need, terrain, weather, and availability, not on the person's ability to pay. The billing varies considerably: * **France:** Mountain rescue outside ski resorts is generally funded by the state, so the casualty is usually not billed. ([Reddit][2]) * **Austria:** Air rescue after leisure mountain accidents may result in substantial bills (often thousands of euros), although medical insurance may cover part of the cost depending on the circumstances. ([europakonsument.at][3]) * **Switzerland** (not in the EU): Rescue is commonly chargeable unless covered by insurance or membership in a rescue organization. ([Wikipedia][4]) * **Italy:** Rules vary by region. Serious medical emergencies may be covered, but rescues resulting from unnecessary risk-taking, being stranded without injury, or ignoring trail closures can lead to significant charges. Recent cases have involved bills of many thousands of euros. ([The Guardian][5]) * **Spain:** Policies differ by autonomous community. Many genuine emergency rescues are publicly funded, but some regions can recover costs in cases of negligence or prohibited activities. ([El País][6]) For hikers and climbers, it's common to carry travel insurance or join an alpine club that includes mountain rescue coverage. The annual cost is often far less than a single helicopter rescue. So if someone is **seriously injured**—for example, impaled and unable to be evacuated safely on foot—the rescue service will generally dispatch whatever resources are appropriate. The question of payment is dealt with afterward, and the answer depends entirely on where the accident occurred and the local rules. [1]: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX%3A32023R1020&utm_source=chatgpt.com "Implementing regulation - 2023/1020 - EN - EUR-Lex" [2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Mountaineering/comments/1klixk4?utm_source=chatgpt.com "PSA: Mountain Rescue in the French Alps is Free*." [3]: https://europakonsument.at/en/page/air-rescue?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Air rescue | Europäisches Verbraucherzentrum Österreich" [4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_rescue?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Mountain rescue" [5]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/04/rescued-british-hiker-billed-14225-for-ignoring-rockslide-signs-in-dolomites?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Rescued British hiker billed €14,225 for ignoring rockslide signs in Dolomites" [6]: https://elpais.com/politica/2015/12/23/actualidad/1450872907_889964.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Un rescate en helicóptero de un montañero cuesta unos 4.000 euros | Política | EL PAÍS" -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 19:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <faqdS.8236$bZ8b.3355@fx01.iad> |
| In reply to | #89699 |
On 2026-08-07, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-08-07 19:13, Robert Riches wrote: > >> Is helicopter rescue "free" in countries with socialized >> medicine? > > I'll ask chatGPT because I'm not sure. <next message> Stop it. I'm not here to read AI slop. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 22:04 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <6cqhkmxglt.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #89706 |
On 2026-08-07 21:16, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-08-07, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >> On 2026-08-07 19:13, Robert Riches wrote: >> >>> Is helicopter rescue "free" in countries with socialized >>> medicine? >> >> I'll ask chatGPT because I'm not sure. > > <next message> > > Stop it. I'm not here to read AI slop. > Then go search the data for yourself, I am not doing it for you. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 19:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ndmpnvFrrpgU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89698 |
On 7 Aug 2026 17:13:24 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: > After determining that he had not punctured a lung or another > organ, > David's friends Brad and Jess helped him get down Granite Peak and > they called search and rescue on their sat phone. Good idea. > Is helicopter rescue "free" in countries with socialized medicine? When I lived in New Hampshire you could register if you were hiking in the back country. iirc there was a $5 or $10 fee, but it was strictly voluntary. The understanding was if you chose not to register and had a problem you should call someone who cared. I knew a guy who was on a S&R team. He had done Granite twice, once with a rope and once without. He said he'd never do it without a rope again. It's the highest peak in MT at 12,807' and definitely out of my league. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granite_Peak_(Montana) I'm going to assume David and his friends weren't amateurs.
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 21:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon [OT] |
| Message-ID | <ndmq2oFsns3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89698 |
On 7 Aug 2026 17:13:24 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: > Is helicopter rescue "free" in countries with socialized > medicine? I just checked at CM (one of our sick funds in Belgium). In case of urgent transport with a helicopter they will pay back half of what is charged. You need to be a member of a sick fund. CM charges 9,99 euro/month. You can also pay for a hospital insurance (which is advised) for which they charge 4,46 euro/month or more. Depends on your age and on which insurance plan. Sick funds usually have a basic plan (which is good) and another plan which offers more than the basic plan. What they can charge per kilometre is fixed by law: - 80,97 euro for the first 10 km; - 8,08 euro starting at 11 km; - 6,18 euro starting at 21 km. Mind you, this is /urgent/ (medical) transport. I'm not sure about a /rescue/. When abroad there's an insurance like Europ Assistance: <https://www.europ-assistance.be/travel-insurance-temporary> -- s|b
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 21:46 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1155g6g$vgjn$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89698 |
On 07/08/2026 18:13, Robert Riches wrote: > On 2026-08-07, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 2026-08-07 13:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 06/08/2026 23:40, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >> ... >> >>> I am always slightly amused by how backwards the USA is, Back in the >>> nineties I was on holiday and wanted to withdraw some money using my >>> MasterCard, I think we were on Nevada. The teller looked at the card and >>> said 'never seen one of those. I'll try'. Then her face lit up. 'It >>> worked!' she said. >>> >>> I had used that card all over Europe n different countries.... >>> >>> Things that amuse me >>> >>> - All wires are overhead. NO new wires are overhead in the UK >>> - All trucks use solid rear axles with cart springs. I haven't driven a >>> vehicle like that since 1980 >>> - broadband internet access doesn't really exist mostly. >>> - You have to *pay* for an ambulance, >> >> Recently it was on the news a guy that was having a walk in the >> countryside, a nurse. Somehow he fell or something, and his walking >> stick got stuck on his belly, not the centre, but the side. Instead of >> phoning rescue, he walked down, some 17 km, for fear of being ripped out >> by the cost of rescue. >> >> Amazing. > > It sounds like you're referring to this story: > > https://notthebee.com/article/american-man-hikes-10-miles-down-mountain-with-pole-through-side-to-avoid-pricey-medical-bill > > It wasn't an ordinary ambulance ride he was avoiding: > > As a nurse, he is likely aware that > being airlifted to an emergency > room would be a $20,000-$50,000 > bill. > > Since he wasn't losing much blood, > he decided to hike down and drive > himself to the hospital. > > ... > > After determining that he had not > punctured a lung or another organ, > David's friends Brad and Jess > helped him get down Granite Peak > and they called search and rescue > on their sat phone. > > Is helicopter rescue "free" in countries with socialized > medicine? > Yes. And even if its not totally free. I think my sister was pulled off Table Mountain by one when she went A over T and puncture a lung and shattered her clavicle. Most of what she paid for was post operative therapy,. The insurance covered all operations. I think the helicopter was free as was the emergency hospital that pulled the ribs out of her lungs. All black and Indian staff and bloody good they were too... I miss Africa... -- I would rather have questions that cannot be answered... ...than to have answers that cannot be questioned Richard Feynman
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2026-08-08 09:39 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <6a766cc1@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #89698 |
Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote: > Is helicopter rescue "free" in countries with socialized > medicine? Here in Australia it's separate from free public healthcare (which might not turn out to be available or completely free either, but that's a different story). Here in the state of Victoria I choose to pay for an ambulance subscription, and get a carboard card that I believe gets me out of paying thousands in the event of needing ambulance or helicopter transport. At least it worked for me once. I think it covers me interstate, but ambulance services run by other states may have different arrangements. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2026-08-08 09:21 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <6a766870@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #89686 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 06/08/2026 23:40, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> On 05/08/2026 23:59, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>> Once I ordered like $120 worth of small parts from a US supplier. >>>>> The transport, import duty, VAT and handling charges doubled that. >>>>> >>>>> I can import small stuff from china with none of that. >>>> >>>> I guess you actually believe the postage quotes on sites like >>>> AliExpress then? >>> >>> No need. They have proved to be 100% accurate >> >> "Accurate"? Well if you mean they charge you the same as what's >> shown then yes. If you mean it's always what they actually pay >> to send your item then you're being fooled. > > Well that is no different from any other online vendor then, is it? It's worse than usual on AliExpress. >>>> In that case I'll bet some Chinese seller there >>>> has a RPi Zero for something like $10, but with $60 for delivery, >>>> while another has one for $60 and $10 delivery. Pick the deal that >>>> looks best to you! >>>> >>> Nope. Ive bought a ton of stuff from Aliexpress. The more usual 'scam' >>> is to advertise say a Pi zero for 80c, but when you go to the page >>> that's just the plastic case...if you want a PCB and chips with that its >>> $20 :-) >> >> Yes, seen plenty of that, but I find the fake postage charges are >> more common. The thing off AliExpress that's waiting at the post >> office for me today is a prime example, where the same item is >> listed by two sellers on AliExpress, one appearing cheaper than the >> other on the search page. But the postage on the cheap one was >> significantly more than the other, so the higher-priced one was >> really much cheaper. In this case it was also really obvious in >> spite of the different listing images that the two sellers were >> really the same person/company, because both listings had the same >> typo in the title! > > Well I am not going to sweat that. I Can Do Sums... If you have time to do them for all of the different sellers in your search results to work out which is _actually_ cheapest. >> They probably >> get insurance included to cover refunds in such cases, but you can >> get that from the local postal service for international parcels >> sent through them anyway (though it can take months to work through >> the process of making a claim). >> > In general these days claims from ANYONE are refunded once you put the > return parcel under an authorised scanner. > > Amazon, Ali express - even Ebay. Last time I had an order from AliExpress that never arrived, after a month and a half I went on to claim a refund. "Wait longer". Huff, OK. So I waited longer, half-forgetting about it, then next time I was on their site I tried again and it said something like "sorry, the window for claims has expired". So I got done by them there (I could have next tried raising a claim via PayPal but it wasn't worth the time). >>> I couriered some documents to my niece in South Africa for just ?20 took >>> tow days only! >> >> Actually when they were really coming by courier, parcels usually >> got to the nearest city really quick, then waited there for a >> couple of weeks until they got around to making the expedition out >> to where I live. Delivering to the post office does often work out >> quicker in that regard. However the thing is I'm almost never in a >> hurry in the first place - I'm forced to pay triple the cost to get >> something (at least to the nearest city) next week, then it sits >> around for a week or two before I get up to the stage of needing it >> for whatever project I'm working on anyway. Or it just costs so >> much that I don't order at all. >> > That was the standard delivery time of *anything* that was light enough > to go by air. > > I am always slightly amused by how backwards the USA is, I'm talking about delivery from China to Australia, not the USA. > Back in the nineties I was on holiday and wanted to withdraw some > money using my MasterCard, I think we were on Nevada. The teller > looked at the card and said 'never seen one of those. I'll try'. > Then her face lit up. 'It worked!' she said. > > I had used that card all over Europe n different countries.... > > Things that amuse me > > - All wires are overhead. NO new wires are overhead in the UK > - All trucks use solid rear axles with cart springs. I haven't driven a > vehicle like that since 1980 > - broadband internet access doesn't really exist mostly. > - You have to *pay* for an ambulance, > - The food industry is designed to make you fat, eat more crap, then > gouge you again via medical bills when you get heart disease or diabetes Well those points could be applied to Aus too actually. That said I'm sure I've seen overhead wires along UK streets on TV (they're always getting in the way on Grand Designs). Utes with leaf springs are valid if you carry heavy loads, though unfortunately American-style "trucks" that are all show and don't actually have much tray space to take a big load seem to have come into fashion here now. > - Everything is about ripping off someone else. It's all monetised one > way or another. Not many people just do stuff they enjoy, without > thinking about the money > - Americans think America is the best country in the world. Because they > believe what they are told and never travel further than Acapulco, Maybe not so bad here yet on those counts. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-04 07:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nddgviF4198U30@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89529 |
On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 00:53:21 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Just checked. $79 USD on Amazon. Just the bare board, no accessories. > > Weren't these things supposed to be under $10 ??? > > Wow ! > > Memory chip production redirection surely plays its part - but beyond > even that ... > > A 2-Zero is SUPPOSED to be the next thing to electronic NOTHING. What > the fuck has happened ??? https://www.howtogeek.com/the-raspberry-pis-reign-is-quietly-ending/ The Canakit link shows the bare board as sold out. https://www.amazon.com/SANOOV-Raspberry-Aluminum-Heatsink-HDMI-USB/dp/ B0FX3SCP5F $78 with a heat sink and a couple of adapters. The price history graph isn't the greatest but it looks like about $30 in March. Then it took off, gaining $14 in the last 30 days.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-04 08:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nddjiiF62vkU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89537 |
rbowman wrote: > c186282 wrote: > >> Just checked. $79 USD on Amazon. Just the bare board, no accessories. >> Weren't these things supposed to be under $10 ??? > > https://www.amazon.com/SANOOV-Raspberry-Aluminum-Heatsink-HDMI-USB/dp/ > B0FX3SCP5F > > $78 with a heat sink and a couple of adapters. The price history graph > isn't the greatest but it looks like about $30 in March. Then it took off, > gaining $14 in the last 30 days. Find a better place to buy? I see them from $15 at digikey in the USA <https://rpilocator.com/?country=US&cat=PIZERO2>
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-04 17:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ndelguF4198U33@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89541 |
On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 08:45:04 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: > rbowman wrote: > >> c186282 wrote: >> >>> Just checked. $79 USD on Amazon. Just the bare board, no accessories. >>> Weren't these things supposed to be under $10 ??? >> >> https://www.amazon.com/SANOOV-Raspberry-Aluminum-Heatsink-HDMI-USB/dp/ >> B0FX3SCP5F >> >> $78 with a heat sink and a couple of adapters. The price history graph >> isn't the greatest but it looks like about $30 in March. Then it took >> off, >> gaining $14 in the last 30 days. > > Find a better place to buy? I see them from $15 at digikey in the USA > > <https://rpilocator.com/?country=US&cat=PIZERO2> If you go to DigiKey's site you'll find there are 0 in stock. There is a 'check lead time' option that says they will be available 6/7/2027. I've seen this in the early '80s when lead times were a year or more. Before starting a design you researched what you could buy. Motorola was particularly bad as they responded to increased demand in the automotive industry as cars became more sophisticated. The Amazon pricing probably reflects a vendor who has stock on hand and is gouging for all they're worth, or should I say responding to the law of supply and demand. The problem is if Part B is designed in because of temporary shortage of Part A, there is little future incentive to go back to Part A.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-04 18:43 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ndemknFbh67U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89552 |
rbowman wrote: > Andy Burns wrote: > >> Find a better place to buy? I see them from $15 at digikey in the USA >> >> <https://rpilocator.com/?country=US&cat=PIZERO2> > > If you go to DigiKey's site you'll find there are 0 in stock. There is a > 'check lead time' option that says they will be available 6/7/2027. I did, but the locator site said they had stock yesterday, not sure if they actually did or not? I did manage to buy a zero a couple of weeks ago within the UK (both non-W and 2W were available at that time, I specifically didn't want a 2W) > I've seen this in the early '80s when lead times were a year or more. > Before starting a design you researched what you could buy. Motorola was > particularly bad as they responded to increased demand in the automotive > industry as cars became more sophisticated. > > The Amazon pricing probably reflects a vendor who has stock on hand and is > gouging for all they're worth, or should I say responding to the law of > supply and demand. If you look at the feedback of the marketplace supplier, there 1 star reviews from people calling them cunts, so I'd probably avoid ... > The problem is if Part B is designed in because of temporary shortage of > Part A, there is little future incentive to go back to Part A. As someone mentioned maybe Ukraine and/or Russia are buying them up?
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-05 02:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <S3Kdnb7an-cZSO_3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89554 |
On 8/4/26 13:43, Andy Burns wrote: > rbowman wrote: > >> Andy Burns wrote: >> >>> Find a better place to buy? I see them from $15 at digikey in the USA >>> >>> <https://rpilocator.com/?country=US&cat=PIZERO2> >> >> If you go to DigiKey's site you'll find there are 0 in stock. There is a >> 'check lead time' option that says they will be available 6/7/2027. > > I did, but the locator site said they had stock yesterday, not sure if > they actually did or not? I did manage to buy a zero a couple of weeks > ago within the UK (both non-W and 2W were available at that time, I > specifically didn't want a 2W) USA has NO real equivs to the PI line. Maybe should, but doesn't. The current trade wars/adjustments ... things like PIs just got SCREWED. Short supplies, inflated prices. It WILL get better, but not THIS year. Oh, price MEMORY - SDs/M.2/etc - almost the ENTIRE world production has been shifted towards the "AI" market. For Joe Consumer - NADA !
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-05 09:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ndgaelFja95U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89577 |
c186282 wrote: > The current trade wars/adjustments ... things > like PIs just got SCREWED. Short supplies, > inflated prices. They were screwed a couple of years ago (pandemic) and had got back to normalish, now AI sucking up RAM and flash production. Personally I think the Pi5 has got too big for its boots. > It WILL get better, but not THIS year. > > Oh, price MEMORY - SDs/M.2/etc - almost > the ENTIRE world production has been > shifted towards the "AI" market. For > Joe Consumer - NADA ! My hope is that big-AI realises it's not making profits and gives up, no doubt a second wave would step-in thinking they could do better ...
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-05 12:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114v557$2spu9$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89584 |
On 05/08/2026 09:27, Andy Burns wrote: > My hope is that big-AI realises it's not making profits and gives up, no > doubt a second wave would step-in thinking they could do better ... I am not sure that big AI will ever prove profitable. A decade ago I was briefly involved with LCD panel economics. Not one of the half dozen panel manufacturers had repaid the debt they accrued to build the factories. The hope was that LCD panel manufacture would be like nuclear power stations - all the profit happened after the first 20 years of operation. But nukes provide something the world needs and wants. I am not sure AI does. -- No Apple devices were knowingly used in the preparation of this post.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-05 11:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114v4sr$2spu9$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89554 |
On 04/08/2026 18:43, Andy Burns wrote: > rbowman wrote: > >> Andy Burns wrote: >> >>> Find a better place to buy? I see them from $15 at digikey in the USA >>> >>> <https://rpilocator.com/?country=US&cat=PIZERO2> >> >> If you go to DigiKey's site you'll find there are 0 in stock. There is a >> 'check lead time' option that says they will be available 6/7/2027. > > I did, but the locator site said they had stock yesterday, not sure if > they actually did or not? I did manage to buy a zero a couple of weeks > ago within the UK (both non-W and 2W were available at that time, I > specifically didn't want a 2W) > My local supplier hasnt a single zero of any sort in stock >> I've seen this in the early '80s when lead times were a year or more. >> Before starting a design you researched what you could buy. Motorola was >> particularly bad as they responded to increased demand in the automotive >> industry as cars became more sophisticated. >> >> The Amazon pricing probably reflects a vendor who has stock on hand >> and is >> gouging for all they're worth, or should I say responding to the law of >> supply and demand. > > If you look at the feedback of the marketplace supplier, there 1 star > reviews from people calling them cunts, so I'd probably avoid ... > Handy sort of review... >> The problem is if Part B is designed in because of temporary shortage of >> Part A, there is little future incentive to go back to Part A. > There are still PI 3s available > As someone mentioned maybe Ukraine and/or Russia are buying them up? > Why wouldn't they? -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-05 02:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <S3Kdnb_an-c_Tu_3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89552 |
On 8/4/26 13:23, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 08:45:04 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: > >> rbowman wrote: >> >>> c186282 wrote: >>> >>>> Just checked. $79 USD on Amazon. Just the bare board, no accessories. >>>> Weren't these things supposed to be under $10 ??? >>> >>> https://www.amazon.com/SANOOV-Raspberry-Aluminum-Heatsink-HDMI-USB/dp/ >>> B0FX3SCP5F >>> >>> $78 with a heat sink and a couple of adapters. The price history graph >>> isn't the greatest but it looks like about $30 in March. Then it took >>> off, >>> gaining $14 in the last 30 days. >> >> Find a better place to buy? I see them from $15 at digikey in the USA >> >> <https://rpilocator.com/?country=US&cat=PIZERO2> > > If you go to DigiKey's site you'll find there are 0 in stock. There is a > 'check lead time' option that says they will be available 6/7/2027. ust The current "trade adjustments" have had an effect. Alas a lot of stuff that was NOT a drag on the USA got caught up in this shit. "Collateral Damage". It WILL improve ... but not THIS year. USA, alas, has NOTHING like PIs. Should, but doesn't. Everything HERE is now kinda dedicated to "AI" - can't even get Mem/Storage. DID try an "Orange PI" ... it was NOT really "compatible" though. Could FORCE it to kind- of work ... but ......
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-05 09:29 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ndgaibFja95U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89574 |
c186282 wrote: > DID try an "Orange PI" ... it was NOT really > "compatible" though. Could FORCE it to kind- > of work ... but ...... All the banana/orange pis are at a disadvantage they just don't have the level of support that raspberry have behind them.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-05 12:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114v669$2spu9$14@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89585 |
On 05/08/2026 09:29, Andy Burns wrote: > c186282 wrote: > >> DID try an "Orange PI" ... it was NOT really >> "compatible" though. Could FORCE it to kind- >> of work ... but ...... > > All the banana/orange pis are at a disadvantage they just don't have the > level of support that raspberry have behind them. > +1 -- "A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and understanding". Marshall McLuhan
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-05 11:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114v4f1$2spu9$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89552 |
On 04/08/2026 18:23, rbowman wrote: > The problem is if Part B is designed in because of temporary shortage of > Part A, there is little future incentive to go back to Part A. Indeed. Some huge marketing failures hinge on that particular point -- The New Left are the people they warned you about.
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