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| First post | 2026-08-04 00:53 -0400 |
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Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-04 00:53 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-08-04 06:19 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 07:52 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 00:45 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 09:22 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:08 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:04 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 13:56 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 17:45 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:47 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:46 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-06 14:34 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 14:16 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 20:31 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:45 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-07 08:45 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:52 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:34 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:03 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:49 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 04:26 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:15 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-06 08:59 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 02:25 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:55 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:10 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 22:02 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:53 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:13 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 22:08 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 03:52 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:12 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-07 08:40 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:21 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:18 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 12:02 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 18:55 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-07 17:13 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 19:32 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-07 19:16 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 22:04 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 19:24 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon [OT] "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-07 21:30 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 21:46 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 07:00 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 08:45 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 17:23 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 18:43 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:18 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 09:27 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:00 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:56 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:10 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 09:29 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:18 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:49 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 00:47 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 06:03 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 03:34 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:17 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:10 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-04 11:24 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 17:30 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:14 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:51 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-04 15:04 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 17:03 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 01:53 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-05 19:47 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:51 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:57 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-05 20:14 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 19:49 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 11:12 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:15 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:22 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:39 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 02:27 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 11:38 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2026-08-07 13:35 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 14:10 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2026-08-07 15:02 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:32 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-08-07 11:01 -0700
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-07 19:16 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 21:37 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 19:35 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 23:37 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 18:14 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 22:03 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 11:03 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:32 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 02:22 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 11:12 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:09 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:57 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-08-06 14:14 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 14:18 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-08-06 09:55 -0700
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:48 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:42 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:43 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 02:26 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 04:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ndl534Ff88dU24@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89660 |
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 21:49:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 06/08/2026 21:03, rbowman wrote: >> Meanwhile the EC has fined AliExpress for peddling counterfeit, unsafe, >> or illegal products. AliExpress replied with 'Unfair to us upstanding >> Chinese merchants!'. > > Anyone who takes a CE sticker from China seriously hasn't watched Big > Clive enough. > > I particularly liked the mannequin who had a firecracker up her > snatch... > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcDgOGC5Lcc Never heard of him but he certainly finds some strange stuff. After watching him waving a voltage detector around a Temu ebike on charge I don't think I'll be buying one. The mannequin was weird. Nothing aimed at the Japanese market surprises me. The names escape me but I think the title had 'City' in it. A co- worker who was into anime recommended a movie, let's say 'Beast City'. When I searched netflix for the DVD, I found a similar title. It featured, among other things, a cartoon talking penis, and an older woman standing in a room with milk flowing out of her breasts until it was knee deep. The next day I asked him about the talking dick and we determined the title I rented was close but not what he mentioned. Hentai is a little beyond twisted.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 12:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1154epa$j5m2$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89678 |
On 07/08/2026 05:26, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 21:49:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 06/08/2026 21:03, rbowman wrote:
>>> Meanwhile the EC has fined AliExpress for peddling counterfeit, unsafe,
>>> or illegal products. AliExpress replied with 'Unfair to us upstanding
>>> Chinese merchants!'.
>>
>> Anyone who takes a CE sticker from China seriously hasn't watched Big
>> Clive enough.
>>
>> I particularly liked the mannequin who had a firecracker up her
>> snatch...
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcDgOGC5Lcc
>
> Never heard of him but he certainly finds some strange stuff. After
> watching him waving a voltage detector around a Temu ebike on charge I
> don't think I'll be buying one.
>
He LOVES buying stuff from AliExpress aqnd dismantling it to see what is
in fact worth buying
> The mannequin was weird. Nothing aimed at the Japanese market surprises
> me. The names escape me but I think the title had 'City' in it. A co-
> worker who was into anime recommended a movie, let's say 'Beast City'.
> When I searched netflix for the DVD, I found a similar title. It featured,
> among other things, a cartoon talking penis, and an older woman standing
> in a room with milk flowing out of her breasts until it was knee deep. The
> next day I asked him about the talking dick and we determined the title I
> rented was close but not what he mentioned. Hentai is a little beyond
> twisted.
Japanese are totally weird. Imagine having to pass a law forbidding
photographing up someone's skirt.
"Don't ask me I'm Gen Z born. I don't do girls, I'd rather watch porn"
--
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have
forgotten your aim."
George Santayana
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2026-08-06 08:59 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <6a73c056@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #89593 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 05/08/2026 05:45, c186282 wrote: >> As you're quoting BRIT currency ... >> >> But once the units are offered in USA and >> maybe others ... MASSIVE price increase. > > Blame King Donald's import taxes. > And its isolationist stance. > > Once I ordered like $120 worth of small parts from a US supplier. > The transport, import duty, VAT and handling charges doubled that. > > I can import small stuff from china with none of that. I guess you actually believe the postage quotes on sites like AliExpress then? In that case I'll bet some Chinese seller there has a RPi Zero for something like $10, but with $60 for delivery, while another has one for $60 and $10 delivery. Pick the deal that looks best to you! True most companies in the USA do want at least twice as much to send things to me in Australia as it costs me to send things to the USA. But it's not half as bad as the UK where the costs often start at over $100 to send anything to Aus these days. Though I guess because many UK/USA companies insist on only sending international orders by courier for some reason. Courier services can be expensive from China as well. Most couriers now just hand over to the local postal service once the parcel reaches Aus so I still have to drive to town to pick the thing up from the post office myself anyway. On the up side, thanks to the Aus government's weak attempt at taxing imports you often skip having to pay GST (though AliExpress, and sometimes Ebay, charge it). The UK used to be almost as weak on that too, but like the EU they're copying the USA now and tightening up on it. Trump has shown the world how to tax imports more effectively (after a massive amount of initial disruption), if that's something to be proud of... -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-06 02:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fxSdnclojfJ1ten3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89619 |
Ummmm ... NEVER buy from Ali ... yer CC numbers WILL create a disaster soon enough ! Anyway, USA, PI stuff has LONG cost at least three or four times the UK price. This was long before 'tariffs' and such. Dunno what the fuck is going on. But, now, it's become BAD. WHY would I buy PI anymore ?
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-06 12:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1151sno$3p218$13@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89623 |
On 06/08/2026 07:25, c186282 wrote:
> Ummmm ... NEVER buy from Ali ...
ALWAYS buy from Ali. Just never again discrete semiconductors or
obsolete chips....
--
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have
forgotten your aim."
George Santayana
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-06 20:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ndk81mFf88dU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89635 |
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:55:36 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 06/08/2026 07:25, c186282 wrote: >> Ummmm ... NEVER buy from Ali ... > > ALWAYS buy from Ali. Just never again discrete semiconductors or > obsolete chips.... Your money, your choice. The word on the STM forums is you might as well participate in back alley crap games if you expect your AliExpress Black or Blue Pill to be other than a pill bug. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillidiidae My family always called them 'cellar bugs'. I don't know if it was the German influence like calling chives 'Schnittlauch' or because they lived in the cellar.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-06 22:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1152sp9$501h$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89652 |
On 06/08/2026 21:10, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:55:36 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 06/08/2026 07:25, c186282 wrote: >>> Ummmm ... NEVER buy from Ali ... >> >> ALWAYS buy from Ali. Just never again discrete semiconductors or >> obsolete chips.... > > Your money, your choice. The word on the STM forums is you might as well > participate in back alley crap games if you expect your AliExpress Black > or Blue Pill to be other than a pill bug. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillidiidae > > My family always called them 'cellar bugs'. I don't know if it was the > German influence like calling chives 'Schnittlauch' or because they lived > in the cellar. *shrug*. I have tools, I have boxes of screws, I have threaded bushes for 3D prints...I have PCBs with chips on that actually work. The only thing I got that was totally duff were some high voltage (allegedly) Darlingtons that weren't. They broke down until I stopped using them. I've got resistor packs, capacitor sets, mains RF chokes and so on all of which are very good quality. And of course SMPS units to power Pis and so on. Hi-Link is the company for those. I repaired loudspeakers with GXAMP parts . They (Ali express) were the only place for full 15A/240VAC relays. I bought a pair of small brushless motors with controllers. One of the controllers caught fire as soon as I plugged it in. I downloaded a return material auth,sent the damaged unit back and they refunded the money. So I ended up with one set for free. My PCBs are made in China too. No problems ever. About 10 day turn round. Only VAT charged on the stuff, and Aliexpress do that at source. Some vendors are criminals. Most are not. -- The difference bweteen a psychopath and a saint is that the psychpoath takes what he can and gives only what he must, but the saint gives everything he can and takes only what he needs.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-06 12:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1151ska$3p218$12@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89619 |
On 05/08/2026 23:59, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 05/08/2026 05:45, c186282 wrote: >>> As you're quoting BRIT currency ... >>> >>> But once the units are offered in USA and >>> maybe others ... MASSIVE price increase. >> >> Blame King Donald's import taxes. >> And its isolationist stance. >> >> Once I ordered like $120 worth of small parts from a US supplier. >> The transport, import duty, VAT and handling charges doubled that. >> >> I can import small stuff from china with none of that. > > I guess you actually believe the postage quotes on sites like > AliExpress then? No need. They have proved to be 100% accurate > In that case I'll bet some Chinese seller there > has a RPi Zero for something like $10, but with $60 for delivery, > while another has one for $60 and $10 delivery. Pick the deal that > looks best to you! > Nope. Ive bought a ton of stuff from Aliexpress. The more usual 'scam' is to advertise say a Pi zero for 80c, but when you go to the page that's just the plastic case...if you want a PCB and chips with that its $20 :-) Another one was for an excavator for $1500 - that turned out to be the deposit on one to be delivered later at a total cost of $12000...depending on options > True most companies in the USA do want at least twice as much to > send things to me in Australia as it costs me to send things to the > USA. But it's not half as bad as the UK where the costs often start > at over $100 to send anything to Aus these days. Though I guess > because many UK/USA companies insist on only sending international > orders by courier for some reason. Courier services can be > expensive from China as well. Most couriers now just hand over to > the local postal service once the parcel reaches Aus so I still > have to drive to town to pick the thing up from the post office > myself anyway. > Too many vendors got their fingers burned sending by international post. Parcels just 'disappeared' I couriered some documents to my niece in South Africa for just £20 took tow days only! > On the up side, thanks to the Aus government's weak attempt at > taxing imports you often skip having to pay GST (though AliExpress, > and sometimes Ebay, charge it). The UK used to be almost as weak on > that too, but like the EU they're copying the USA now and > tightening up on it. Trump has shown the world how to tax imports > more effectively (after a massive amount of initial disruption), if > that's something to be proud of... > Trump still thinks that isolation is possible or even desirable in the 21st century What a dork! -- The higher up the mountainside The greener grows the grass. The higher up the monkey climbs The more he shows his arse. Traditional
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-06 20:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ndk86fFf88dU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89634 |
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:53:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Trump still thinks that isolation is possible or even desirable in the > 21st century He obviously doesn't believe that or he wouldn't be screwing around in West Asia.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-06 22:08 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1152t3h$501h$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89653 |
On 06/08/2026 21:13, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:53:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Trump still thinks that isolation is possible or even desirable in the >> 21st century > > He obviously doesn't believe that or he wouldn't be screwing around in > West Asia. Trump doesn't believe anything really. He is also beyond caring. He just says whatever floats into his mind from the last person he talked to. He has no plan. He just does stuff until the ratings go down, or someone stops paying him, then stops doing it... He just bluffs and bullshits his way and if some people clap he knows he said the right thing. He wont DO any of it mind you. It's all fluff and bollocks. -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. -- Yogi Berra
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 03:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ndl346Ff88dU23@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89663 |
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 22:08:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 06/08/2026 21:13, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:53:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> Trump still thinks that isolation is possible or even desirable in the >>> 21st century >> >> He obviously doesn't believe that or he wouldn't be screwing around in >> West Asia. > Trump doesn't believe anything really. He is also beyond caring. He just > says whatever floats into his mind from the last person he talked to. > > He has no plan. He just does stuff until the ratings go down, or someone > stops paying him, then stops doing it... He seems to be ignoring the ratings. Other than the Christian Zionists and Jews there isn't much enthusiasm for the corner he's painted himself into. The Epstein files fiasco didn't help either. There may be nothing new in them but when you see someone burying something in the backyard it raises suspicions. His waffling on immigration is another point. The upcoming elections will be interesting. Midterms seldom generate a lot of general enthusiasm meaning both parties will have to deal with the more opinionated wings.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 12:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1154ej5$j5m2$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89677 |
On 07/08/2026 04:52, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 22:08:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 06/08/2026 21:13, rbowman wrote: >>> On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:53:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> Trump still thinks that isolation is possible or even desirable in the >>>> 21st century >>> >>> He obviously doesn't believe that or he wouldn't be screwing around in >>> West Asia. >> Trump doesn't believe anything really. He is also beyond caring. He just >> says whatever floats into his mind from the last person he talked to. >> >> He has no plan. He just does stuff until the ratings go down, or someone >> stops paying him, then stops doing it... > > He seems to be ignoring the ratings. Other than the Christian Zionists and > Jews there isn't much enthusiasm for the corner he's painted himself into. > The Epstein files fiasco didn't help either. There may be nothing new in > them but when you see someone burying something in the backyard it raises > suspicions. His waffling on immigration is another point. > King Donald is dying. He knows that, vaguely. He has perhaps a couple more years of lucidity left before he becomes a pussy grabbing dotard in a care home. He doesn't *care* any more in the way only people who know they are dying don't care anymore. He wont be around to live with the consequences of his actions. So he just does whatever, says whatever. It now appears that not only is his stock of missiles entirely exhausted by Iran, but he can't keep Hormuz open either. Gulf states are buying Ukrainian drones instead and building pipelines to the Red Sea US is finished as a world power. He Made America Small, Irrelevant and Despised. Wotta legacy > The upcoming elections will be interesting. Midterms seldom generate a lot > of general enthusiasm meaning both parties will have to deal with the more > opinionated wings. Oh the DimmoClots will win more seats. MAGA is just a dying cult. Nothing will change though -- "A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and understanding". Marshall McLuhan
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 08:40 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <6a750d4e@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #89634 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 05/08/2026 23:59, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> Once I ordered like $120 worth of small parts from a US supplier. >>> The transport, import duty, VAT and handling charges doubled that. >>> >>> I can import small stuff from china with none of that. >> >> I guess you actually believe the postage quotes on sites like >> AliExpress then? > > No need. They have proved to be 100% accurate "Accurate"? Well if you mean they charge you the same as what's shown then yes. If you mean it's always what they actually pay to send your item then you're being fooled. >> In that case I'll bet some Chinese seller there >> has a RPi Zero for something like $10, but with $60 for delivery, >> while another has one for $60 and $10 delivery. Pick the deal that >> looks best to you! >> > Nope. Ive bought a ton of stuff from Aliexpress. The more usual 'scam' > is to advertise say a Pi zero for 80c, but when you go to the page > that's just the plastic case...if you want a PCB and chips with that its > $20 :-) Yes, seen plenty of that, but I find the fake postage charges are more common. The thing off AliExpress that's waiting at the post office for me today is a prime example, where the same item is listed by two sellers on AliExpress, one appearing cheaper than the other on the search page. But the postage on the cheap one was significantly more than the other, so the higher-priced one was really much cheaper. In this case it was also really obvious in spite of the different listing images that the two sellers were really the same person/company, because both listings had the same typo in the title! As well as the seller, AliExpress themselves tried to scam me again this time by offering a coupon discount for ordering more than a certain total amount at once. Add the coupon, go through PayPal (not credit card) for payment, _then_ up comes a pop-up (actually along with another meaningless error pop-up, but that's typical because their website is as terriby made as half of the junk that's sold there), to say that the coupon has expired, and raises the price. Obviously you're expected to have added extra things to your cart to reach a greater coupon discount teir, then when you see that message you're meant shrug and go ahead ordering the extra junk you added at full price anyway. The blatant dishonesty does put me off a lot of the time, but sometimes AliExpress is still a lot cheaper than even Chinese sellers on Ebay, who are no more honest anyway (although I do have marginally more faith in Ebay themselves). Plus some manufacturers such as, (back on topic) Banana Pi, use it as their official store. > Another one was for an excavator for $1500 - that turned out to be the > deposit on one to be delivered later at a total cost of > $12000...depending on options > >> True most companies in the USA do want at least twice as much to >> send things to me in Australia as it costs me to send things to the >> USA. But it's not half as bad as the UK where the costs often start >> at over $100 to send anything to Aus these days. Though I guess >> because many UK/USA companies insist on only sending international >> orders by courier for some reason. Courier services can be >> expensive from China as well. Most couriers now just hand over to >> the local postal service once the parcel reaches Aus so I still >> have to drive to town to pick the thing up from the post office >> myself anyway. >> > Too many vendors got their fingers burned sending by international post. > Parcels just 'disappeared' Like I say, many go over to local post once they get here now, so they're just as likely to disappear at that stage. They probably get insurance included to cover refunds in such cases, but you can get that from the local postal service for international parcels sent through them anyway (though it can take months to work through the process of making a claim). > I couriered some documents to my niece in South Africa for just ?20 took > tow days only! Actually when they were really coming by courier, parcels usually got to the nearest city really quick, then waited there for a couple of weeks until they got around to making the expedition out to where I live. Delivering to the post office does often work out quicker in that regard. However the thing is I'm almost never in a hurry in the first place - I'm forced to pay triple the cost to get something (at least to the nearest city) next week, then it sits around for a week or two before I get up to the stage of needing it for whatever project I'm working on anyway. Or it just costs so much that I don't order at all. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 12:21 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <77ogkmxms.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #89670 |
On 2026-08-07 00:40, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > In this case it was also really obvious in > spite of the different listing images that the two sellers were > really the same person/company, because both listings had the same > typo in the title! Maybe that's a typo of the automated translator. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-07 12:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1154et8$j5m2$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89682 |
On 07/08/2026 11:21, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-08-07 00:40, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> In this case it was also really obvious in
>> spite of the different listing images that the two sellers were
>> really the same person/company, because both listings had the same
>> typo in the title!
>
> Maybe that's a typo of the automated translator.
>
Actually it's more likely that the person who posted the listing just
copied and pasted it from someone else's. Or the manufacturer's own website
Chinese don't give a damn about copyright
--
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have
forgotten your aim."
George Santayana
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-07 12:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1154e02$j5m2$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89670 |
On 06/08/2026 23:40, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 05/08/2026 23:59, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> Once I ordered like $120 worth of small parts from a US supplier. >>>> The transport, import duty, VAT and handling charges doubled that. >>>> >>>> I can import small stuff from china with none of that. >>> >>> I guess you actually believe the postage quotes on sites like >>> AliExpress then? >> >> No need. They have proved to be 100% accurate > > "Accurate"? Well if you mean they charge you the same as what's > shown then yes. If you mean it's always what they actually pay > to send your item then you're being fooled. Well that is no different from any other online vendor then, is it? > >>> In that case I'll bet some Chinese seller there >>> has a RPi Zero for something like $10, but with $60 for delivery, >>> while another has one for $60 and $10 delivery. Pick the deal that >>> looks best to you! >>> >> Nope. Ive bought a ton of stuff from Aliexpress. The more usual 'scam' >> is to advertise say a Pi zero for 80c, but when you go to the page >> that's just the plastic case...if you want a PCB and chips with that its >> $20 :-) > > Yes, seen plenty of that, but I find the fake postage charges are > more common. The thing off AliExpress that's waiting at the post > office for me today is a prime example, where the same item is > listed by two sellers on AliExpress, one appearing cheaper than the > other on the search page. But the postage on the cheap one was > significantly more than the other, so the higher-priced one was > really much cheaper. In this case it was also really obvious in > spite of the different listing images that the two sellers were > really the same person/company, because both listings had the same > typo in the title! Well I am not going to sweat that. I Can Do Sums... > > As well as the seller, AliExpress themselves tried to scam me again > this time by offering a coupon discount for ordering more than a > certain total amount at once. Add the coupon, go through PayPal > (not credit card) for payment, _then_ up comes a pop-up (actually > along with another meaningless error pop-up, but that's typical > because their website is as terriby made as half of the junk > that's sold there), to say that the coupon has expired, and raises > the price. Obviously you're expected to have added extra things to > your cart to reach a greater coupon discount teir, then when you > see that message you're meant shrug and go ahead ordering the extra > junk you added at full price anyway. > > The blatant dishonesty does put me off a lot of the time, but > sometimes AliExpress is still a lot cheaper than even Chinese > sellers on Ebay, who are no more honest anyway (although I do have > marginally more faith in Ebay themselves). Plus some manufacturers > such as, (back on topic) Banana Pi, use it as their official store. > I am not concerned with marketing gimmicks: I am concerned with getting useable quality stuff I cant get anywhere else, at a sane price. >> Another one was for an excavator for $1500 - that turned out to be the >> deposit on one to be delivered later at a total cost of >> $12000...depending on options >> >>> True most companies in the USA do want at least twice as much to >>> send things to me in Australia as it costs me to send things to the >>> USA. But it's not half as bad as the UK where the costs often start >>> at over $100 to send anything to Aus these days. Though I guess >>> because many UK/USA companies insist on only sending international >>> orders by courier for some reason. Courier services can be >>> expensive from China as well. Most couriers now just hand over to >>> the local postal service once the parcel reaches Aus so I still >>> have to drive to town to pick the thing up from the post office >>> myself anyway. >>> >> Too many vendors got their fingers burned sending by international post. >> Parcels just 'disappeared' > > Like I say, many go over to local post once they get here now, so > they're just as likely to disappear at that stage. Not in the UK. The postal service is probably the best in the world > They probably > get insurance included to cover refunds in such cases, but you can > get that from the local postal service for international parcels > sent through them anyway (though it can take months to work through > the process of making a claim). > In general these days claims from ANYONE are refunded once you put the return parcel under an authorised scanner. Amazon, Ali express - even Ebay. >> I couriered some documents to my niece in South Africa for just ?20 took >> tow days only! > > Actually when they were really coming by courier, parcels usually > got to the nearest city really quick, then waited there for a > couple of weeks until they got around to making the expedition out > to where I live. Delivering to the post office does often work out > quicker in that regard. However the thing is I'm almost never in a > hurry in the first place - I'm forced to pay triple the cost to get > something (at least to the nearest city) next week, then it sits > around for a week or two before I get up to the stage of needing it > for whatever project I'm working on anyway. Or it just costs so > much that I don't order at all. > That was the standard delivery time of *anything* that was light enough to go by air. I am always slightly amused by how backwards the USA is, Back in the nineties I was on holiday and wanted to withdraw some money using my MasterCard, I think we were on Nevada. The teller looked at the card and said 'never seen one of those. I'll try'. Then her face lit up. 'It worked!' she said. I had used that card all over Europe n different countries.... Things that amuse me - All wires are overhead. NO new wires are overhead in the UK - All trucks use solid rear axles with cart springs. I haven't driven a vehicle like that since 1980 - broadband internet access doesn't really exist mostly. - You have to *pay* for an ambulance, - The food industry is designed to make you fat, eat more crap, then gouge you again via medical bills when you get heart disease or diabetes - Everything is about ripping off someone else. It's all monetised one way or another. Not many people just do stuff they enjoy, without thinking about the money - Americans think America is the best country in the world. Because they believe what they are told and never travel further than Acapulco, God bless Amerika. She needs it! -- Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people. But Marxism is the crack cocaine.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 18:55 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <48fhkmxobt.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #89686 |
On 2026-08-07 13:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 06/08/2026 23:40, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: ... > I am always slightly amused by how backwards the USA is, Back in the > nineties I was on holiday and wanted to withdraw some money using my > MasterCard, I think we were on Nevada. The teller looked at the card and > said 'never seen one of those. I'll try'. Then her face lit up. 'It > worked!' she said. > > I had used that card all over Europe n different countries.... > > Things that amuse me > > - All wires are overhead. NO new wires are overhead in the UK > - All trucks use solid rear axles with cart springs. I haven't driven a > vehicle like that since 1980 > - broadband internet access doesn't really exist mostly. > - You have to *pay* for an ambulance, Recently it was on the news a guy that was having a walk in the countryside, a nurse. Somehow he fell or something, and his walking stick got stuck on his belly, not the centre, but the side. Instead of phoning rescue, he walked down, some 17 km, for fear of being ripped out by the cost of rescue. Amazing. > - The food industry is designed to make you fat, eat more crap, then > gouge you again via medical bills when you get heart disease or diabetes > - Everything is about ripping off someone else. It's all monetised one > way or another. Not many people just do stuff they enjoy, without > thinking about the money > - Americans think America is the best country in the world. Because they > believe what they are told and never travel further than Acapulco, > > God bless Amerika. > She needs it! > > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-07 17:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn117c4hk.2e2.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #89697 |
On 2026-08-07, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2026-08-07 13:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 06/08/2026 23:40, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> I am always slightly amused by how backwards the USA is, Back in the
>> nineties I was on holiday and wanted to withdraw some money using my
>> MasterCard, I think we were on Nevada. The teller looked at the card and
>> said 'never seen one of those. I'll try'. Then her face lit up. 'It
>> worked!' she said.
>>
>> I had used that card all over Europe n different countries....
>>
>> Things that amuse me
>>
>> - All wires are overhead. NO new wires are overhead in the UK
>> - All trucks use solid rear axles with cart springs. I haven't driven a
>> vehicle like that since 1980
>> - broadband internet access doesn't really exist mostly.
>> - You have to *pay* for an ambulance,
>
> Recently it was on the news a guy that was having a walk in the
> countryside, a nurse. Somehow he fell or something, and his walking
> stick got stuck on his belly, not the centre, but the side. Instead of
> phoning rescue, he walked down, some 17 km, for fear of being ripped out
> by the cost of rescue.
>
> Amazing.
It sounds like you're referring to this story:
https://notthebee.com/article/american-man-hikes-10-miles-down-mountain-with-pole-through-side-to-avoid-pricey-medical-bill
It wasn't an ordinary ambulance ride he was avoiding:
As a nurse, he is likely aware that
being airlifted to an emergency
room would be a $20,000-$50,000
bill.
Since he wasn't losing much blood,
he decided to hike down and drive
himself to the hospital.
...
After determining that he had not
punctured a lung or another organ,
David's friends Brad and Jess
helped him get down Granite Peak
and they called search and rescue
on their sat phone.
Is helicopter rescue "free" in countries with socialized
medicine?
--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 19:32 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <fehhkmxat3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #89698 |
On 2026-08-07 19:13, Robert Riches wrote: > On 2026-08-07, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 2026-08-07 13:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 06/08/2026 23:40, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >> ... >> >>> I am always slightly amused by how backwards the USA is, Back in the >>> nineties I was on holiday and wanted to withdraw some money using my >>> MasterCard, I think we were on Nevada. The teller looked at the card and >>> said 'never seen one of those. I'll try'. Then her face lit up. 'It >>> worked!' she said. >>> >>> I had used that card all over Europe n different countries.... >>> >>> Things that amuse me >>> >>> - All wires are overhead. NO new wires are overhead in the UK >>> - All trucks use solid rear axles with cart springs. I haven't driven a >>> vehicle like that since 1980 >>> - broadband internet access doesn't really exist mostly. >>> - You have to *pay* for an ambulance, >> >> Recently it was on the news a guy that was having a walk in the >> countryside, a nurse. Somehow he fell or something, and his walking >> stick got stuck on his belly, not the centre, but the side. Instead of >> phoning rescue, he walked down, some 17 km, for fear of being ripped out >> by the cost of rescue. >> >> Amazing. > > It sounds like you're referring to this story: > > https://notthebee.com/article/american-man-hikes-10-miles-down-mountain-with-pole-through-side-to-avoid-pricey-medical-bill > > It wasn't an ordinary ambulance ride he was avoiding: > > As a nurse, he is likely aware that > being airlifted to an emergency > room would be a $20,000-$50,000 > bill. > > Since he wasn't losing much blood, > he decided to hike down and drive > himself to the hospital. > > ... > > After determining that he had not > punctured a lung or another organ, > David's friends Brad and Jess > helped him get down Granite Peak > and they called search and rescue > on their sat phone. > > Is helicopter rescue "free" in countries with socialized > medicine? > I'll ask chatGPT because I'm not sure. I only know about Spain, and yes, it is usually gratis if the emergency is true and not caused by negligence (like being stranded in a snow storm without having snow clothes and some food). Q: Is helicopter rescue free in the European Union? Say, somebody impaled with a walking stick up in a mountain. A: No. There is **no European Union-wide rule** that makes helicopter mountain rescue free or paid. Each country—and sometimes each region—has its own rules. The EU regulates aviation safety, but not who pays for rescue. ([Eur-Lex][1]) For your example—someone is impaled by a walking stick while hiking high in the mountains—the priority is to call the emergency services immediately. Whether a helicopter is dispatched depends on medical need, terrain, weather, and availability, not on the person's ability to pay. The billing varies considerably: * **France:** Mountain rescue outside ski resorts is generally funded by the state, so the casualty is usually not billed. ([Reddit][2]) * **Austria:** Air rescue after leisure mountain accidents may result in substantial bills (often thousands of euros), although medical insurance may cover part of the cost depending on the circumstances. ([europakonsument.at][3]) * **Switzerland** (not in the EU): Rescue is commonly chargeable unless covered by insurance or membership in a rescue organization. ([Wikipedia][4]) * **Italy:** Rules vary by region. Serious medical emergencies may be covered, but rescues resulting from unnecessary risk-taking, being stranded without injury, or ignoring trail closures can lead to significant charges. Recent cases have involved bills of many thousands of euros. ([The Guardian][5]) * **Spain:** Policies differ by autonomous community. Many genuine emergency rescues are publicly funded, but some regions can recover costs in cases of negligence or prohibited activities. ([El País][6]) For hikers and climbers, it's common to carry travel insurance or join an alpine club that includes mountain rescue coverage. The annual cost is often far less than a single helicopter rescue. So if someone is **seriously injured**—for example, impaled and unable to be evacuated safely on foot—the rescue service will generally dispatch whatever resources are appropriate. The question of payment is dealt with afterward, and the answer depends entirely on where the accident occurred and the local rules. [1]: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX%3A32023R1020&utm_source=chatgpt.com "Implementing regulation - 2023/1020 - EN - EUR-Lex" [2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Mountaineering/comments/1klixk4?utm_source=chatgpt.com "PSA: Mountain Rescue in the French Alps is Free*." [3]: https://europakonsument.at/en/page/air-rescue?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Air rescue | Europäisches Verbraucherzentrum Österreich" [4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_rescue?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Mountain rescue" [5]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/04/rescued-british-hiker-billed-14225-for-ignoring-rockslide-signs-in-dolomites?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Rescued British hiker billed €14,225 for ignoring rockslide signs in Dolomites" [6]: https://elpais.com/politica/2015/12/23/actualidad/1450872907_889964.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Un rescate en helicóptero de un montañero cuesta unos 4.000 euros | Política | EL PAÍS" -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-07 19:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <faqdS.8236$bZ8b.3355@fx01.iad> |
| In reply to | #89699 |
On 2026-08-07, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-08-07 19:13, Robert Riches wrote: > >> Is helicopter rescue "free" in countries with socialized >> medicine? > > I'll ask chatGPT because I'm not sure. <next message> Stop it. I'm not here to read AI slop. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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