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| Started by | no.top.post@gmail.com |
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| First post | 2016-03-25 12:54 +0000 |
| Last post | 2016-03-30 14:37 +0000 |
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Product LockIn no.top.post@gmail.com - 2016-03-25 12:54 +0000
Re: Product LockIn Rick Pikul/Chakat Firepaw <chakatfirepaw@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 22:52 +0000
Re: Product LockIn colonel_hack@yahoo.com - 2016-03-25 21:28 -0700
Re: Product LockIn Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 12:53 +0000
Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-26 13:07 +0000
Re: Product LockIn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2016-03-27 11:47 -0700
Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-28 01:10 +0100
Re: Product LockIn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2016-03-27 17:58 -0700
Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-28 10:46 +0100
Re: Product LockIn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2016-03-28 12:33 -0700
Re: Product LockIn Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-28 20:30 +0000
Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-28 21:47 +0100
Re: Product LockIn Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2016-03-29 02:28 +0000
Re: Product LockIn Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2016-03-28 08:12 -0400
Re: Product LockIn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2016-03-28 07:11 -0700
Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-26 15:18 +0100
Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-26 15:04 +0000
Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-26 21:25 +0100
Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-27 12:05 +0100
Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-27 15:57 +0200
Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-29 12:26 +0200
Re: Product LockIn Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-03-27 14:45 +0000
Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-27 16:25 +0100
Re: Product LockIn Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-03-27 16:05 +0000
Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-29 04:35 +0200
Re: Product LockIn Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2016-03-31 01:59 +0000
Re: Product LockIn Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2016-03-30 21:15 -0700
Re: Product LockIn Chick Tower <c.tower@deadspam.com> - 2016-03-31 16:36 +0000
Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-04-01 03:45 +0200
Re: Product LockIn "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2016-04-01 21:54 +0200
Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-04-01 22:46 +0200
Re: Product LockIn Mark Carroll <mtbc@ixod.org> - 2016-03-27 18:14 +0100
Re: Product LockIn Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-03-27 20:52 +0100
Re: Product LockIn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-28 01:12 +0100
Re: Product LockIn Mark Carroll <mtbc@ixod.org> - 2016-03-28 08:32 +0100
Re: Product LockIn Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-03-28 11:47 +0100
Re: Product LockIn Aaron Baugher <aaron@baugher.biz> - 2016-03-28 07:07 -0500
Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-29 04:32 +0200
Re: Product LockIn "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2016-03-27 15:07 +0200
Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-27 15:54 +0200
Re: Product LockIn "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2016-03-28 01:34 +0200
Re: Product LockIn no.top.post@gmail.com - 2016-03-28 02:55 +0000
Re: Product LockIn "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-29 04:44 +0200
Re: Product LockIn Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-03-26 19:05 +0000
Re: Product LockIn sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2016-03-30 14:37 +0000
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| From | "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> |
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| Date | 2016-03-28 01:34 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <4d1d0283cf4fb400f221fc37bbd72c74@remailer.privacy.at> |
| In reply to | #17112 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_lis...@invalid.es> [CE]: CE> [procmail/reformail duplicates' culling] doesn't always work well, CE> specially if you use more than one computer. Agreed. While you can always store the Message-IDs' cache file in a _network_ file system (eg. NFS, dropbox), you have almost no control over which message ends up on each device. This usage scenario clearly calls for IMAP.
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| From | no.top.post@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-03-28 02:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nda6e7$vjd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17106 |
In article <ibiisc-dqv.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> wrote: > On 2016-03-26 13:53, Unknown wrote: > > > Yes, I've read that often; and pop too. > > IIRC I tried mutt with IMAP once and rejected it, because it assumed > > an always on-line connection. I need to send and fetch in a one-shot > > 60 seconds connection. > > Then use fetchmail or similar. > I'll look into fetchmail & HOW it's able to use gmail's <TLS> > > Now I tried thunderbird [another cartoon-based system]. > > Google shows plenty of discussions about the error-that-it-gives me too. > > It's as if thunderbird must use a different password to web-based, which > > would be absurd. > > Thunderbird works fine with gmail (same password), either for imap or > for pop. You need javascript enabled the first time, or to tell gmail > that you are going to use a standard client (it will warn you that it is > less secure). > What ! javascript for the mail-client? I can't see how/where to enable that on this *2009* version. If it need javascript enabled it's a fraud! Is javascript part of the recent email-RFC ?! > -- > Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> |
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| Date | 2016-03-29 04:44 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tp6psc-121.ln1@minas-tirith.valinor> |
| In reply to | #17124 |
On 2016-03-28 04:55, no.top.post@gmail.com wrote:
> In article <ibiisc-dqv.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> wrote:
>> Thunderbird works fine with gmail (same password), either for imap or
>> for pop. You need javascript enabled the first time, or to tell gmail
>> that you are going to use a standard client (it will warn you that it is
>> less secure).
>>
> What ! javascript for the mail-client?
> I can't see how/where to enable that on this *2009* version.
> If it need javascript enabled it's a fraud!
> Is javascript part of the recent email-RFC ?!
It is a gmail feature. It is called two step validation or something -
sorry, I would have to connect via web to verify the correct name. The
thing is that it needs a web client to get the verification done,
something that a plain mail client can not do. Thunderbird does this
using javascript at some logins. You get a popup when trying to login.
https://www.google.com/landing/2step/
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185839?hl=en
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/1064203?hl=en
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-26 19:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnnfdngu.v9n.BitTwister@wb.home.test> |
| In reply to | #17104 |
On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 12:53:04 -0000 (UTC), Unknown wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 22:52:01 +0000, Rick Pikul/Chakat Firepaw wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 12:54:45 +0000, no.top.post wrote:
>> I'll let you in on a little secret: Gmail supports IMAP, you can use
>> just about any mail client you want. There is nothing forcing you to
>> use the web interface.
>
> Yes, I've read that often; and pop too.
> IIRC I tried mutt with IMAP once and rejected it, because it assumed
> an always on-line connection.
Sounds more like your selection of email client based on your
requirement was the major factor in your attempt.
> I need to send and fetch in a one-shot 60 seconds connection.
Well, my requirements are not that restrictive. I have
$ grep --count thunderbird /etc/passwd
7
email accounts and do not want to spend any of my time checking for mail.
I have postfix installed as my Mail Transport Agent.
Each user account has a hourly cron job running fetchmail to pull down
any email and hands it off to postfix for storage in /var/mail/User_id_here
and a root hourly cron job looking at those files in /var/mail/.
I will get a pop up when any file has a character count greater than 1200.
I can then paste the pop up message in a terminal and all those accounts
will automagically launch thunderbird.
> Now I tried thunderbird [another cartoon-based system].
> Google shows plenty of discussions about the error-that-it-gives me too.
Well, after years of no problems on my systems, I would hesitate to
point any fingers at thunderbird as an email client.
> It's as if thunderbird must use a different password to web-based, which
> would be absurd.
Well, I think it is just plain stupid to use the same id/password at
more than one location and I sure as hell do not click links in email
messages.
> What really pisses me off, is these continual <Life is better with Coke>
> like messages of <you should "update" your browser>.
Well, that is your basic warning to the clueless user that their
browser is obsolete because of several security fixes are needed and
are fixed in the newest release.
Offhand the reference about mutt seems to indicate to me that your
main problem is you have no interest in keeping your applications up
to date with the latest security fixes and that is being plain stupid,
in my opinion.
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| From | sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> |
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| Date | 2016-03-30 14:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ndgobl$bof$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17101 |
On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 12:54:45 +0000, no.top.post wrote: > How do people tolerate the continual pressure to "update" their product, > when the products from the 90's didn't have these problems? I still use PostRoad Mailer on my OS/2 machine. -- "What do you mean there's no movie?"
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