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  xsel: how to I paste to the clipboard in 10 pitch? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-21 02:14 -0800
    Re:xsel: how to I paste to the clipboard in 10 pitch? Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> - 2015-12-21 22:14 +1100
      Re:xsel: how to I paste to the clipboard in 10 pitch? Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> - 2015-12-21 22:21 +1100
        Re: xsel: how to I paste to the clipboard in 10 pitch? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-21 12:26 -0800
          Re: xsel: how to I paste to the clipboard in 10 pitch? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-12-21 18:39 -0500
            Re: xsel: how to I paste to the clipboard in 10 pitch? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-21 16:28 -0800
              Re: xsel: how to I paste to the clipboard in 10 pitch? Allodoxaphobia <knock_yourself_out@example.net> - 2015-12-22 02:12 +0000
                Re: xsel: how to I paste to the clipboard in 10 pitch? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-21 18:18 -0800
                  Re: xsel: how to I paste to the clipboard in 10 pitch? Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2015-12-22 14:34 +0000
                    Re: xsel: how to I paste to the clipboard in 10 pitch? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-22 12:24 -0800
              Re: xsel: how to I paste to the clipboard in 10 pitch? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-12-21 22:37 -0500
              Re: xsel: how to I paste to the clipboard in 10 pitch? Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> - 2015-12-22 22:00 +1100
                Re: xsel: how to I paste to the clipboard in 10 pitch? no.top.post@gmail.com - 2016-01-28 06:02 +0000
              Re: xsel: how to I paste to the clipboard in 10 pitch? Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> - 2015-12-23 00:57 +1100
                Re: xsel: how to I paste to the clipboard in 10 pitch? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-22 12:24 -0800
            Re: xsel: how to I paste to the clipboard in 10 pitch? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-22 08:22 +0000
    Re: xsel: how to I paste to the clipboard in 10 pitch? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-23 14:04 -0800

#16509 — xsel: how to I paste to the clipboard in 10 pitch?

Hi All,

 From the command line, I can paste to the clipboard with

      echo 'abcdefg' | xsel --clipboard

How do I tell it I want the text to be formatted
in 10 pitch?

Many thanks,
-T

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#16510

T <T@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:
> Hi All,
> 
>  From the command line, I can paste to the clipboard with
> 
>       echo 'abcdefg' | xsel --clipboard
> 
> How do I tell it I want the text to be formatted
> in 10 pitch?
> 
> Many thanks,
> -T
> 
> 

I am not sure that you can set a pitch for anything on the clipboard.  
It is probably stored there as basic ASCII characters, and will
acquire the default pitch of any document you paste it into.  There
are applications that will send formatted text to the clipboard,
but if you paste the text back into a simple text editor, the
formatting is lost.

Doug. 

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#16511

Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> Wrote in message:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>>  From the command line, I can paste to the clipboard with
>> 
>>       echo 'abcdefg' | xsel --clipboard
>> 
>> How do I tell it I want the text to be formatted
>> in 10 pitch?
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> -T
>> 
>> 
> 
> I am not sure that you can set a pitch for anything on the clipboard.  
> It is probably stored there as basic ASCII characters, and will
> acquire the default pitch of any document you paste it into.  There
> are applications that will send formatted text to the clipboard,
> but if you paste the text back into a simple text editor, the
> formatting is lost. 
> 
> Doug. 
> 
> -- 
> 

To continue: if the formattong was preserved, the formatted text
would have to be different ascii characters, and might not be capable
of being imported into a console or simple editor. Have a look at
 man xsel.
-- 

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#16513

On 12/21/2015 03:21 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> Wrote in message:
>> T <T@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>>   From the command line, I can paste to the clipboard with
>>>
>>>        echo 'abcdefg' | xsel --clipboard
>>>
>>> How do I tell it I want the text to be formatted
>>> in 10 pitch?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> -T
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I am not sure that you can set a pitch for anything on the clipboard.
>> It is probably stored there as basic ASCII characters, and will
>> acquire the default pitch of any document you paste it into.  There
>> are applications that will send formatted text to the clipboard,
>> but if you paste the text back into a simple text editor, the
>> formatting is lost.
>>
>> Doug.
>>
>> --
>>
>
> To continue: if the formattong was preserved, the formatted text
> would have to be different ascii characters, and might not be capable
> of being imported into a console or simple editor. Have a look at
>   man xsel.
>

I am trying to recreate when you have a text editor open and
you copy some 10 pitch text to the clipboard.

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#16514

T <T@invalid.invalid> writes:

> On 12/21/2015 03:21 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
>> Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> Wrote in message:
>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>>   From the command line, I can paste to the clipboard with
>>>>
>>>>        echo 'abcdefg' | xsel --clipboard
>>>>
>>>> How do I tell it I want the text to be formatted
>>>> in 10 pitch?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> -T
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am not sure that you can set a pitch for anything on the clipboard.
>>> It is probably stored there as basic ASCII characters, and will
>>> acquire the default pitch of any document you paste it into.  There
>>> are applications that will send formatted text to the clipboard,
>>> but if you paste the text back into a simple text editor, the
>>> formatting is lost.
>>>
>>> Doug.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>> To continue: if the formattong was preserved, the formatted text
>> would have to be different ascii characters, and might not be capable
>> of being imported into a console or simple editor. Have a look at
>>   man xsel.
>>
>
> I am trying to recreate when you have a text editor open and
> you copy some 10 pitch text to the clipboard.

I can't think of any UNIX software that supports copy/paste of
font names or sizes.  I've only seen that on Windows.

Oddly, I find that behavior less than useful.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#16515

On 12/21/2015 03:39 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 12/21/2015 03:21 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
>>> Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> Wrote in message:
>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>>    From the command line, I can paste to the clipboard with
>>>>>
>>>>>         echo 'abcdefg' | xsel --clipboard
>>>>>
>>>>> How do I tell it I want the text to be formatted
>>>>> in 10 pitch?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>> -T
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure that you can set a pitch for anything on the clipboard.
>>>> It is probably stored there as basic ASCII characters, and will
>>>> acquire the default pitch of any document you paste it into.  There
>>>> are applications that will send formatted text to the clipboard,
>>>> but if you paste the text back into a simple text editor, the
>>>> formatting is lost.
>>>>
>>>> Doug.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>
>>> To continue: if the formattong was preserved, the formatted text
>>> would have to be different ascii characters, and might not be capable
>>> of being imported into a console or simple editor. Have a look at
>>>    man xsel.
>>>
>>
>> I am trying to recreate when you have a text editor open and
>> you copy some 10 pitch text to the clipboard.
>
> I can't think of any UNIX software that supports copy/paste of
> font names or sizes.  I've only seen that on Windows.
>
> Oddly, I find that behavior less than useful.
>


I copy and paste formatted text all the time.  Libre Office to
Thunderbird, back and forth, etc..  It would drive me nuts
if I couldn't do it.

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#16516

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:28:52 -0800, T wrote:
> On 12/21/2015 03:39 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
>> T <T@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>> On 12/21/2015 03:21 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
>>>> Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> Wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    From the command line, I can paste to the clipboard with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         echo 'abcdefg' | xsel --clipboard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do I tell it I want the text to be formatted
>>>>>> in 10 pitch?
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure that you can set a pitch for anything on the clipboard.
>>>>> It is probably stored there as basic ASCII characters, and will
>>>>> acquire the default pitch of any document you paste it into.  There
>>>>> are applications that will send formatted text to the clipboard,
>>>>> but if you paste the text back into a simple text editor, the
>>>>> formatting is lost.
>>>>
>>>> To continue: if the formattong was preserved, the formatted text
>>>> would have to be different ascii characters, and might not be capable
>>>> of being imported into a console or simple editor. Have a look at
>>>>    man xsel.
>>>
>>> I am trying to recreate when you have a text editor open and
>>> you copy some 10 pitch text to the clipboard.
>>
>> I can't think of any UNIX software that supports copy/paste of
>> font names or sizes.  I've only seen that on Windows.
>>
>> Oddly, I find that behavior less than useful.
>
> I copy and paste formatted text all the time.  Libre Office to
> Thunderbird, back and forth, etc..  It would drive me nuts
> if I couldn't do it.

It drives me nuts when I do *do* it -- copying something from a browser 
into Libre Office.  What I do is open an intermediate "drop" zone: nano.
I C&P from browser into nano -- then C&P from nano into Libre Office.

Courses - Horses.
Jonesy
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#16517

On 12/21/2015 06:12 PM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:28:52 -0800, T wrote:
>> On 12/21/2015 03:39 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>> On 12/21/2015 03:21 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
>>>>> Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> Wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     From the command line, I can paste to the clipboard with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>          echo 'abcdefg' | xsel --clipboard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How do I tell it I want the text to be formatted
>>>>>>> in 10 pitch?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not sure that you can set a pitch for anything on the clipboard.
>>>>>> It is probably stored there as basic ASCII characters, and will
>>>>>> acquire the default pitch of any document you paste it into.  There
>>>>>> are applications that will send formatted text to the clipboard,
>>>>>> but if you paste the text back into a simple text editor, the
>>>>>> formatting is lost.
>>>>>
>>>>> To continue: if the formattong was preserved, the formatted text
>>>>> would have to be different ascii characters, and might not be capable
>>>>> of being imported into a console or simple editor. Have a look at
>>>>>     man xsel.
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to recreate when you have a text editor open and
>>>> you copy some 10 pitch text to the clipboard.
>>>
>>> I can't think of any UNIX software that supports copy/paste of
>>> font names or sizes.  I've only seen that on Windows.
>>>
>>> Oddly, I find that behavior less than useful.
>>
>> I copy and paste formatted text all the time.  Libre Office to
>> Thunderbird, back and forth, etc..  It would drive me nuts
>> if I couldn't do it.
>
> It drives me nuts when I do *do* it -- copying something from a browser
> into Libre Office.  What I do is open an intermediate "drop" zone: nano.
> I C&P from browser into nano -- then C&P from nano into Libre Office.
>
> Courses - Horses.
> Jonesy
>

There is "Paste Special"

Also, paste to a text only editor like Leafpad will
drop all the formatting.  Then recopy and paste

Now how do I deliberately format something?

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#16522

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:18:57 -0800, T wrote:

> On 12/21/2015 06:12 PM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:28:52 -0800, T wrote:
>>> On 12/21/2015 03:39 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>>> On 12/21/2015 03:21 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
>>>>>> Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> Wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     From the command line, I can paste to the clipboard with
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          echo 'abcdefg' | xsel --clipboard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How do I tell it I want the text to be formatted
>>>>>>>> in 10 pitch?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not sure that you can set a pitch for anything on the clipboard.
>>>>>>> It is probably stored there as basic ASCII characters, and will
>>>>>>> acquire the default pitch of any document you paste it into.  There
>>>>>>> are applications that will send formatted text to the clipboard,
>>>>>>> but if you paste the text back into a simple text editor, the
>>>>>>> formatting is lost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To continue: if the formattong was preserved, the formatted text
>>>>>> would have to be different ascii characters, and might not be capable
>>>>>> of being imported into a console or simple editor. Have a look at
>>>>>>     man xsel.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to recreate when you have a text editor open and
>>>>> you copy some 10 pitch text to the clipboard.
>>>>
>>>> I can't think of any UNIX software that supports copy/paste of
>>>> font names or sizes.  I've only seen that on Windows.
>>>>
>>>> Oddly, I find that behavior less than useful.
>>>
>>> I copy and paste formatted text all the time.  Libre Office to
>>> Thunderbird, back and forth, etc..  It would drive me nuts
>>> if I couldn't do it.
>>
>> It drives me nuts when I do *do* it -- copying something from a browser
>> into Libre Office.  What I do is open an intermediate "drop" zone: nano.
>> I C&P from browser into nano -- then C&P from nano into Libre Office.
>>
>> Courses - Horses.
>> Jonesy
>>
> 
> There is "Paste Special"
> 
> Also, paste to a text only editor like Leafpad will
> drop all the formatting.  Then recopy and paste
> 
> Now how do I deliberately format something?

As I suspected, the paste receiver has to ask the provider for the
formatting info, it's not in the cut buffer. The formatting is not
available after the source program exits.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3571179/how-does-x11-clipboard-handle-multiple-data-formats

e.g.:
Copy some formatted text from libreoffice then run
  xclip -o -t text/html
then exit libreoffice and try again. You'll not get the formatting.

So, you don't put formatting in the buffer. You have to hang around to
service a request for the formatting. How to do that is the next question.
I'd start that research at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_selection

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#16524

On 12/22/2015 06:34 AM, Joe Beanfish wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:18:57 -0800, T wrote:
>
>> On 12/21/2015 06:12 PM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:28:52 -0800, T wrote:
>>>> On 12/21/2015 03:39 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>>>> On 12/21/2015 03:21 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
>>>>>>> Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> Wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      From the command line, I can paste to the clipboard with
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>           echo 'abcdefg' | xsel --clipboard
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How do I tell it I want the text to be formatted
>>>>>>>>> in 10 pitch?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not sure that you can set a pitch for anything on the clipboard.
>>>>>>>> It is probably stored there as basic ASCII characters, and will
>>>>>>>> acquire the default pitch of any document you paste it into.  There
>>>>>>>> are applications that will send formatted text to the clipboard,
>>>>>>>> but if you paste the text back into a simple text editor, the
>>>>>>>> formatting is lost.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To continue: if the formattong was preserved, the formatted text
>>>>>>> would have to be different ascii characters, and might not be capable
>>>>>>> of being imported into a console or simple editor. Have a look at
>>>>>>>      man xsel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am trying to recreate when you have a text editor open and
>>>>>> you copy some 10 pitch text to the clipboard.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't think of any UNIX software that supports copy/paste of
>>>>> font names or sizes.  I've only seen that on Windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oddly, I find that behavior less than useful.
>>>>
>>>> I copy and paste formatted text all the time.  Libre Office to
>>>> Thunderbird, back and forth, etc..  It would drive me nuts
>>>> if I couldn't do it.
>>>
>>> It drives me nuts when I do *do* it -- copying something from a browser
>>> into Libre Office.  What I do is open an intermediate "drop" zone: nano.
>>> I C&P from browser into nano -- then C&P from nano into Libre Office.
>>>
>>> Courses - Horses.
>>> Jonesy
>>>
>>
>> There is "Paste Special"
>>
>> Also, paste to a text only editor like Leafpad will
>> drop all the formatting.  Then recopy and paste
>>
>> Now how do I deliberately format something?
>
> As I suspected, the paste receiver has to ask the provider for the
> formatting info, it's not in the cut buffer. The formatting is not
> available after the source program exits.
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3571179/how-does-x11-clipboard-handle-multiple-data-formats
>
> e.g.:
> Copy some formatted text from libreoffice then run
>    xclip -o -t text/html
> then exit libreoffice and try again. You'll not get the formatting.
>
> So, you don't put formatting in the buffer. You have to hang around to
> service a request for the formatting. How to do that is the next question.
> I'd start that research at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_selection
>


Thank you for the help!

This is "officially" over my head! :-(

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#16518

T <T@invalid.invalid> writes:

> On 12/21/2015 03:39 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
>> T <T@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> On 12/21/2015 03:21 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
>>>> Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> Wrote in message:
>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    From the command line, I can paste to the clipboard with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         echo 'abcdefg' | xsel --clipboard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do I tell it I want the text to be formatted
>>>>>> in 10 pitch?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>> -T
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure that you can set a pitch for anything on the clipboard.
>>>>> It is probably stored there as basic ASCII characters, and will
>>>>> acquire the default pitch of any document you paste it into.  There
>>>>> are applications that will send formatted text to the clipboard,
>>>>> but if you paste the text back into a simple text editor, the
>>>>> formatting is lost.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To continue: if the formattong was preserved, the formatted text
>>>> would have to be different ascii characters, and might not be capable
>>>> of being imported into a console or simple editor. Have a look at
>>>>    man xsel.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am trying to recreate when you have a text editor open and
>>> you copy some 10 pitch text to the clipboard.
>>
>> I can't think of any UNIX software that supports copy/paste of
>> font names or sizes.  I've only seen that on Windows.
>>
>> Oddly, I find that behavior less than useful.
>
> I copy and paste formatted text all the time.  Libre Office to
> Thunderbird, back and forth, etc..  It would drive me nuts
> if I couldn't do it.

Looks like Firefox and QT applications work too.
Guess it's more used than I thought.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#16520

T <T@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:
> On 12/21/2015 03:39 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
>> T <T@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> On 12/21/2015 03:21 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
>>>> Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> Wrote in message:
>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    From the command line, I can paste to the clipboard with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         echo 'abcdefg' | xsel --clipboard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do I tell it I want the text to be formatted
>>>>>> in 10 pitch?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>> -T
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure that you can set a pitch for anything on the clipboard.
>>>>> It is probably stored there as basic ASCII characters, and will
>>>>> acquire the default pitch of any document you paste it into.  There
>>>>> are applications that will send formatted text to the clipboard,
>>>>> but if you paste the text back into a simple text editor, the
>>>>> formatting is lost.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To continue: if the formattong was preserved, the formatted text
>>>> would have to be different ascii characters, and might not be capable
>>>> of being imported into a console or simple editor. Have a look at
>>>>    man xsel.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am trying to recreate when you have a text editor open and
>>> you copy some 10 pitch text to the clipboard.
>>
>> I can't think of any UNIX software that supports copy/paste of
>> font names or sizes.  I've only seen that on Windows.
>>
>> Oddly, I find that behavior less than useful.
>>
> 
> 
> I copy and paste formatted text all the time.  Libre Office to
> Thunderbird, back and forth, etc..  It would drive me nuts
> if I couldn't do it.
> 

Yes, but you aren't using xsel to do that.  Try pasting into any
text editor such as KWrite or leafpad. The formatting isn't 
preserved.

Think what it is that you are copying and pasting.  Each letter
starts from an Ascii number. Formatting means either (a)
a different number or (b) a batch of numbers. A basic text
editor won't recognize the letter if it is represented by
 a
different ASCII code. It displays the letter without its
"clothing," the formatting.   If it displays the text in 10 cpi 
Courier, that comes from the editor, not the code string.
OpenOffice, even KWrite, can change the font.  That
is because the font is not an essential part of the
character.  It is added to the ASCII letter by the
program.

Doug. 
-- 

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#16745

In article <n5baem$qim$1@speranza.aioe.org>, Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> wrote: 

> T <T@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:
> > On 12/21/2015 03:39 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
> >> T <T@invalid.invalid> writes:
> >>
> >>> On 12/21/2015 03:21 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> >>>> Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> Wrote in message:
> >>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:
> >>>>>> Hi All,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    From the command line, I can paste to the clipboard with
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>         echo 'abcdefg' | xsel --clipboard
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How do I tell it I want the text to be formatted
> >>>>>> in 10 pitch?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Many thanks,
> >>>>>> -T
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am not sure that you can set a pitch for anything on the clipboard.
> >>>>> It is probably stored there as basic ASCII characters, and will
> >>>>> acquire the default pitch of any document you paste it into.  There
> >>>>> are applications that will send formatted text to the clipboard,
> >>>>> but if you paste the text back into a simple text editor, the
> >>>>> formatting is lost.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Doug.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> To continue: if the formattong was preserved, the formatted text
> >>>> would have to be different ascii characters, and might not be capable
> >>>> of being imported into a console or simple editor. Have a look at
> >>>>    man xsel.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I am trying to recreate when you have a text editor open and
> >>> you copy some 10 pitch text to the clipboard.
> >>
> >> I can't think of any UNIX software that supports copy/paste of
> >> font names or sizes.  I've only seen that on Windows.
> >>
> >> Oddly, I find that behavior less than useful.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > I copy and paste formatted text all the time.  Libre Office to
> > Thunderbird, back and forth, etc..  It would drive me nuts
> > if I couldn't do it.
> > 
> 
> Yes, but you aren't using xsel to do that.  Try pasting into any
> text editor such as KWrite or leafpad. The formatting isn't 
> preserved.
> 
> Think what it is that you are copying and pasting.  Each letter
> starts from an Ascii number. Formatting means either (a)
> a different number or (b) a batch of numbers. A basic text
> editor won't recognize the letter if it is represented by
>  a
> different ASCII code. It displays the letter without its
> "clothing," the formatting.   If it displays the text in 10 cpi 
> Courier, that comes from the editor, not the code string.
> OpenOffice, even KWrite, can change the font.  That
> is because the font is not an essential part of the
> character.  It is added to the ASCII letter by the
> program.
> 
> Doug. 
> -- 
It's worse than that:--
There's a mapping from the textFile to the screen-pixels,
which is modulated by font-parameters, and char-encoding.

So to paste from the pixels to a textFile, the system needs to
know the font-parameters, and char-encoding; to make the
reverse mapping.

Windows & libre-office know how *they individually*, got
there; so they know how to get back. But you can't write
with the one system and read-back with a different/incompatible
one.

And don't talk about ASCII: all the smart-arses are using a system
that replaces <single quote> by 3 bytes. It's a disaster in the making.

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#16521

T <T@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:
> On 12/21/2015 03:39 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
>> T <T@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> On 12/21/2015 03:21 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
>>>> Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> Wrote in message:
>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    From the command line, I can paste to the clipboard with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         echo 'abcdefg' | xsel --clipboard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do I tell it I want the text to be formatted
>>>>>> in 10 pitch?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>> -T
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure that you can set a pitch for anything on the clipboard.
>>>>> It is probably stored there as basic ASCII characters, and will
>>>>> acquire the default pitch of any document you paste it into.  There
>>>>> are applications that will send formatted text to the clipboard,
>>>>> but if you paste the text back into a simple text editor, the
>>>>> formatting is lost.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To continue: if the formattong was preserved, the formatted text
>>>> would have to be different ascii characters, and might not be capable
>>>> of being imported into a console or simple editor. Have a look at
>>>>    man xsel.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am trying to recreate when you have a text editor open and
>>> you copy some 10 pitch text to the clipboard.
>>
>> I can't think of any UNIX software that supports copy/paste of
>> font names or sizes.  I've only seen that on Windows.
>>
>> Oddly, I find that behavior less than useful.
>>
> 
> 
> I copy and paste formatted text all the time.  Libre Office to
> Thunderbird, back and forth, etc..  It would drive me nuts
> if I couldn't do it.
> 

Yes, but you aren't using xsel to do that.  Try pasting into any
text editor such as KWrite or leafpad. The formatting isn't 
preserved.

Think what it is that you are copying and pasting.  Each letter
starts from an Ascii number. Formatting means either (a)
a different number or (b) a batch of numbers. A basic text
editor won't recognize the letter if it is represented by
 a
different ASCII code. It displays the letter without its
"clothing," the formatting.   If it displays the text in 10 cpi 
Courier, that comes from the editor, not the code string.
OpenOffice, even KWrite, can change the font.  That
is because the font is not an essential part of the
character.  It is added to the ASCII letter by the
program.

Doug. 
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#16525

On 12/22/2015 05:57 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:
>> On 12/21/2015 03:39 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 12/21/2015 03:21 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
>>>>> Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> Wrote in message:
>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     From the command line, I can paste to the clipboard with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>          echo 'abcdefg' | xsel --clipboard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How do I tell it I want the text to be formatted
>>>>>>> in 10 pitch?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>> -T
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not sure that you can set a pitch for anything on the clipboard.
>>>>>> It is probably stored there as basic ASCII characters, and will
>>>>>> acquire the default pitch of any document you paste it into.  There
>>>>>> are applications that will send formatted text to the clipboard,
>>>>>> but if you paste the text back into a simple text editor, the
>>>>>> formatting is lost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To continue: if the formattong was preserved, the formatted text
>>>>> would have to be different ascii characters, and might not be capable
>>>>> of being imported into a console or simple editor. Have a look at
>>>>>     man xsel.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to recreate when you have a text editor open and
>>>> you copy some 10 pitch text to the clipboard.
>>>
>>> I can't think of any UNIX software that supports copy/paste of
>>> font names or sizes.  I've only seen that on Windows.
>>>
>>> Oddly, I find that behavior less than useful.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I copy and paste formatted text all the time.  Libre Office to
>> Thunderbird, back and forth, etc..  It would drive me nuts
>> if I couldn't do it.
>>
>
> Yes, but you aren't using xsel to do that.  Try pasting into any
> text editor such as KWrite or leafpad. The formatting isn't
> preserved.
>
> Think what it is that you are copying and pasting.  Each letter
> starts from an Ascii number. Formatting means either (a)
> a different number or (b) a batch of numbers. A basic text
> editor won't recognize the letter if it is represented by
>   a
> different ASCII code. It displays the letter without its
> "clothing," the formatting.   If it displays the text in 10 cpi
> Courier, that comes from the editor, not the code string.
> OpenOffice, even KWrite, can change the font.  That
> is because the font is not an essential part of the
> character.  It is added to the ASCII letter by the
> program.
>
> Doug.
>


Thank you for the help!

This is "officially" over my head! :-(

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#16519

On 21/12/15 23:39, Dan Espen wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 12/21/2015 03:21 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
>>> Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> Wrote in message:
>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>>    From the command line, I can paste to the clipboard with
>>>>>
>>>>>         echo 'abcdefg' | xsel --clipboard
>>>>>
>>>>> How do I tell it I want the text to be formatted
>>>>> in 10 pitch?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>> -T
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure that you can set a pitch for anything on the clipboard.
>>>> It is probably stored there as basic ASCII characters, and will
>>>> acquire the default pitch of any document you paste it into.  There
>>>> are applications that will send formatted text to the clipboard,
>>>> but if you paste the text back into a simple text editor, the
>>>> formatting is lost.
>>>>
>>>> Doug.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>
>>> To continue: if the formattong was preserved, the formatted text
>>> would have to be different ascii characters, and might not be capable
>>> of being imported into a console or simple editor. Have a look at
>>>    man xsel.
>>>
>>
>> I am trying to recreate when you have a text editor open and
>> you copy some 10 pitch text to the clipboard.
>
> I can't think of any UNIX software that supports copy/paste of
> font names or sizes.  I've only seen that on Windows.
>
I've seen that work with HTML - presumably the cut contains the HTML 
tags as well.

> Oddly, I find that behaviour less than useful.
>
MM. No argument here. ;-)


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#16528

On 12/21/2015 02:14 AM, T wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>  From the command line, I can paste to the clipboard with
>
>       echo 'abcdefg' | xsel --clipboard
>
> How do I tell it I want the text to be formatted
> in 10 pitch?
>
> Many thanks,
> -T
>

Well, it turns out that the document I was pasting into
was corrupted.  I created a new one and pasted over what
I needed and now am not having a problem pasting with
the default font from something I put in the clipboard
with xsel.

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