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  [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2015-06-16 14:08 +0000
    Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop Jon Danniken <jonSPAMdanniken@yaSMPAhoo.com> - 2015-06-16 13:57 -0700
      Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2015-06-17 08:58 +0300
        Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop Jon Danniken <jonSPAMdanniken@yaSMPAhoo.com> - 2015-06-17 05:42 -0700
          Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2015-06-18 13:46 +0200
            Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop "J.B.Treadstone" <jbt@dev.nul> - 2015-06-18 13:29 +0100
              Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2015-06-18 21:07 +0200
                Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop "J.B.Treadstone" <jbt@dev.nul> - 2015-06-18 23:37 +0100
                  Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2015-06-20 21:23 +0200
            Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop Jon Danniken <jonSPAMdanniken@yaSMPAhoo.com> - 2015-06-18 06:17 -0700
              Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-06-18 16:34 +0000
                Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-06-18 13:43 -0400
              Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2015-06-18 21:12 +0200
                Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop Jon Danniken <jonSPAMdanniken@yaSMPAhoo.com> - 2015-06-18 13:47 -0700
                  Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-06-18 14:46 -0700
            Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-06-19 11:20 +0100
          Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop Johnny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2015-06-18 23:14 +0000
            Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-06-18 16:42 -0700
            Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-06-19 11:52 +0100
        Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-06-17 16:18 +0000
          Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-06-17 14:18 -0700
        Re: [CM] Favorable review of Cinnamon desktop Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2015-06-18 13:56 +0300

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#14967

On 06/17/2015 09:18 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2015-06-17, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>
>> Jon Danniken <jonSPAMdanniken@yaSMPAhoo.com> writes:
>>
>>>> the brand new Cinnamon 2.6, just released, when delivered later
>>     this year.…
>>
>>> Considering how badly KDE screwed the pooch with KDE5/Plasma5,
>>> it's nice to see that Cinnamon is stepping up to fill the gap.
>>
>> Is it as bad as that?  I haven't tried it yet since I'm on a
>> distro where I've now got everything working the way I'd like, and
>> I don't want to upgrade and have to go through it all again.  I'm
>> used to hearing how they botched the upgrade to KDE4, but I hadn't
>> heard they'd botched the upgrade to KDE5.
>>
>> I was actually thinking, a lot of what they're promoting as new
>> features are things that KDE4 (at least) had ages ago, like the
>> ability to have multiple panels, or put the panels where you want
>> them on the screen.
>
> I had Mint/LXDE running on a laptop a while ago when I was trying
> various distros.  It was OK, although I don't recall any "must have"
> features.  Currently I'm running Xfce under Debian.  It does everything
> I want, it's lean and mean, handles dual monitors smoothly, and I can
> set up panels the way I want them.
>
> I tried KDE only briefly - it feels way too bloated to me.  Even when
> I run a KDE app under a leaner window manager it leaves all sorts of
> processes running in the background that spit out random messages in
> my console window.  I've learned to avoid KDE apps entirely.
>


	Well I used KDE all the time.  Back when Mandriva was active and
I could buy the PowerPack edition I switched from KDE to Gnome 2.4 and
made a 2 week trial of that desktop system.  I found that the tools
were not so handy as KWrite, Kate and and Kb3 and that Bracero was
absolutely unreliable.  There was another optical disk burning program
as well but it was equally unreliable.

	I went back to KDE. I don't use the graphic special effects.
I have used it on a very old *Dell Inspiron 4000 dual booting with
XP and it worked fine once I reduced the number of virtual desktops
to one.  This was a machine made to have no more than 512 MiB of
ram with video ram of 8 MiB.  700 MegaHertz coppermine processor
and it worked just fine.

	I agree with you that KDE/Plasma 5 is not ready for prime
time or regular use.  It was that way with Mandriva when KDE 4.x
was forced down our throats but eventually they got the same
facilities for users as we had before.  It is early days for
Plasma 5 and I expect it to get to a level where I can use
it easily in the same ways I use KDE 4.14.5 on my Mageia 5RC.
Currently on an HP Notebook with an AMD A10 4 core processor
8 GiB of Ram and a 700+ GiB hard drive with 8.1 installed
and Mageia 4.1 as well as 5RC.  Saving my dimes and nickels
for a i7 4 core machine with a quad density screen if I
need it in the next couple of years.

	Hey I started with a Commodore 64 went to a 128 and
then to the Amiga 1000*, Amiga 2000b added in an 68060 and
a 3.4 GiB SCSI drive, Finally after 2000 I gave in and
started with XP, went to Mandriva 2006 and then tried out
Knoppix 3.12. I have never turned back from the systems
based on Mandriva or even on Mandrake.  I try some of the rest
and in my LUG will provide the latest version of whatever
a user want to use even Ubuntu.
	When I was kid a computer was an arithmetician working
on calculations for engineers and scientists or statisticians.
Something like a book keeper or accountant, good jobs but
boring.
	Later on a computer was a big electrical machine
using punched cards for input served up to it by the
machines' attendants.
	Meantime I was a nurse who by the 1970s got do
data entry on paper for data entry clerks to enter into the
computer.  After I stopped being a nurse I worked for
a political education organization that published a newsletter.
I helped maintain the data for the mailing list by the
same means as when I worked as a nurse.  I suggested doing
this in house and they ended up with a PC clone.  The
mailing list had been maintained on 8 inch,ry floppy disks.
	After I had used the C=64 for a while I tried
a clone but my knowledge was inadequate to use that tool.
I tried CPM on the C=128* and learned something about OSes
but hated the opaque tools available and the prices
charged for better tools.

	I got the Amiga* which had a GUI and my work through-put
went up 10x.  I learned about the Amiga OS and upgraded from
Amiga OS 1.2 to 1.3 to 2.1 to 3.1 to 3.9 which involved pulling
roms and replacing them with the updates.  I learned SCSI termination
and about hard disk partitions. I learned about the great online
repositories for Amiga programs, Aminet and used Unix accounts
at BBSes to bring down updates and new programs,  I learned about
Virus Checkers and isolated one running free in a disk magazine shop.
I got my first XP laptop
	Linux was a breeze to deal with after that.  I just found
a LUG and I had local help to deal with editing boot menus and
other parts of the configuration.

	Back on topic:KDE is as good as it gets when the work of
taking care of the details is caught up on.  You need a powerful
computer to use it but Windows and MS will make sure you can find
one cheap.

	bliss
*denotes used or second-hand computer

	b.

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#14968

RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> writes:

> Jon Danniken <jonSPAMdanniken@yaSMPAhoo.com> writes:
>
>>> the brand new Cinnamon 2.6, just released, when delivered later 
>   this year.…
>
>> Considering how badly KDE screwed the pooch with KDE5/Plasma5, 
>  it's nice
>> to see that Cinnamon is stepping up to fill the gap.
>>
>> Jon
>
> Is it as bad as that?

I was also wondering the same, I'm running Kubuntu 14.10 on an oldish
Thinkpad X201 and things work pretty good. I tried booting a live
Kubuntu 15.04 which has KDE5 to see what it's like.

I dunno, it doesn't feel like much has changed. Different theme and I
like it. Maybe a little more polish. Some texts are a little large like
in the networking setup popup. On the other hand, Konsole defaults to a
pretty small font. But consistent UX is hardly a thing in Linux.

Well, something went wrong and now my live system (with persistence) is
pretty crashy. Just the kde parts so can't do much any more :( I guess I
have to wipe the persistent part or just go ahead and upgrade. Granted,
unetbootin which I used to create my USB stick from the ISO image didn't
claim to have support for Kubuntu 15.10...

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