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| Started by | Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> |
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| First post | 2015-03-04 13:14 +0000 |
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Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 13:14 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2015-03-04 15:15 +0100
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-04 14:19 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 14:32 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-03-04 08:53 -0600
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 15:08 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Kirk_Von_Rockstein <Kirk_Von_Rockstein@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-05 20:11 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-03-12 03:12 -0400
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-12 08:24 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn@panix.com> - 2015-03-12 19:07 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-04 09:57 -0500
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 15:10 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-04 11:57 -0500
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 17:14 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> - 2015-03-23 10:47 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Real Doctor <ian.groups@btinternet.com> - 2015-03-23 12:08 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud HarpingOn <postmaster@127.0.0.1> - 2015-03-04 15:11 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 15:22 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-04 15:36 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-04 17:07 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 17:15 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-04 18:43 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 18:55 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-04 19:13 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 19:48 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-03-04 23:47 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-05 07:55 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-05 09:53 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-03-05 12:09 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-05 14:19 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-05 19:27 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2015-03-05 22:04 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-05 10:04 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-05 12:28 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-03-05 13:00 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-03-05 11:50 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-03-20 14:24 -0400
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2015-03-22 15:05 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-04 14:51 -0500
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 20:16 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2015-03-10 14:44 -0700
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-11 17:45 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-03-11 14:15 -0500
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2015-03-11 15:42 -0700
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-11 23:26 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-12 18:17 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> - 2015-03-12 07:47 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2015-03-12 12:23 -0700
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-03-13 07:19 +1100
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-12 08:22 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-03-12 09:14 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-12 09:39 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> - 2015-03-12 09:42 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-12 16:59 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> - 2015-03-12 17:20 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-03-12 12:49 -0500
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-12 19:03 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-12 10:12 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-12 18:17 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-03-13 07:13 +1100
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-12 20:50 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-03-12 16:08 -0500
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-12 21:24 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Capitol <spam@wher.eva.co.uk> - 2015-03-12 22:00 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud ImperiusDamian <damianblack.wolf@gmail.com> - 2015-03-18 09:13 -0400
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2015-03-19 02:43 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-03-20 14:30 -0400
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-12 20:00 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Nigel Wade <nmw@ion.le.ac.uk> - 2015-03-12 09:47 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-12 09:38 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-12 09:43 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2015-03-12 10:50 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2015-03-12 15:25 -0700
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-13 08:19 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-13 12:43 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-13 19:39 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-14 02:12 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-13 15:13 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-03-13 16:53 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-13 19:30 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2015-03-14 13:00 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-14 14:48 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-14 16:43 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-14 17:58 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-14 22:41 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-14 18:20 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-14 19:34 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-14 22:43 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-03-20 14:53 -0400
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2015-03-15 13:34 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-03-15 15:41 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-15 18:40 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-16 15:35 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-03-16 15:45 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-16 16:21 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-03-16 19:05 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-16 21:40 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-17 15:00 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Nigel Wade <nmw@ion.le.ac.uk> - 2015-03-12 11:17 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-12 12:03 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Stan Bischof <stan@worldbadminton.com> - 2015-03-12 16:28 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-12 20:35 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-03-11 22:52 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-12 18:17 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-03-12 02:51 -0400
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-12 08:21 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn@panix.com> - 2015-03-12 19:09 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud HarpingOn <postmaster@127.0.0.1> - 2015-03-04 15:10 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 15:19 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-03-04 15:54 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 16:10 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2015-03-05 11:20 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-05 12:29 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 18:56 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-05 00:33 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2015-03-05 22:46 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-06 08:07 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2015-03-14 11:56 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-14 14:47 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-03-15 05:40 +1100
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-14 18:51 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-03-15 06:12 +1100
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-14 19:23 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-03-15 06:27 +1100
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-14 22:00 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-03-15 11:22 +1100
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-15 09:10 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tony Houghton <h@realh.co.uk> - 2015-03-15 00:08 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2015-03-15 15:34 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2015-03-15 18:33 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-16 07:46 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2015-03-16 00:16 +0100
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2015-03-16 10:55 -0700
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-16 18:10 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2015-03-17 13:55 -0700
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-17 21:15 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2015-03-17 16:17 -0700
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-18 08:15 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2015-03-18 09:02 -0700
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-18 16:14 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud ruben <nowhere@nowhere.nor> - 2015-05-03 06:49 +0000
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-05-03 09:12 +0200
Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-05-03 10:57 +0100
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| From | Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-04 17:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <s6rjsb-pap.ln1@squidward.dionic.net> |
| In reply to | #13898 |
On 04/03/15 17:07, Dennis@home wrote: > On 04/03/2015 14:32, Tim Watts wrote: >> On 04/03/15 14:15, Jeroen Belleman wrote: >> >>> Bah. Linux and Unix have all sorts of remote/shared filesystems. >>> Of course, some 'creative' minds thought it'd be a good idea to >>> invent yet another such thing. That's the bane of computing. It's >>> so often easier to reinvent something than it is to find out how >>> to use the existing tricks. >> >> OK - tell me one that works well with Android, Chromebooks with a >> semi-connected internet? > > M$ one drive works quite well with android, you get 5TB to play with for > ~£60pa and you get office free on 5 PCs for that. And unfortunately it's not under my control. Do I want pictures of my kids swimming on their server?
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| From | "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-04 18:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <54f75264$0$62485$b1db1813$71902154@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #13900 |
On 04/03/2015 17:15, Tim Watts wrote: > On 04/03/15 17:07, Dennis@home wrote: >> On 04/03/2015 14:32, Tim Watts wrote: >>> On 04/03/15 14:15, Jeroen Belleman wrote: >>> >>>> Bah. Linux and Unix have all sorts of remote/shared filesystems. >>>> Of course, some 'creative' minds thought it'd be a good idea to >>>> invent yet another such thing. That's the bane of computing. It's >>>> so often easier to reinvent something than it is to find out how >>>> to use the existing tricks. >>> >>> OK - tell me one that works well with Android, Chromebooks with a >>> semi-connected internet? >> >> M$ one drive works quite well with android, you get 5TB to play with for >> ~£60pa and you get office free on 5 PCs for that. > > And unfortunately it's not under my control. Do I want pictures of my > kids swimming on their server? > Encryption is your friend.
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| From | Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-04 18:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <j21ksb-5ms.ln1@squidward.dionic.net> |
| In reply to | #13904 |
On 04/03/15 18:43, Dennis@home wrote: > On 04/03/2015 17:15, Tim Watts wrote: >> On 04/03/15 17:07, Dennis@home wrote: >>> On 04/03/2015 14:32, Tim Watts wrote: >>>> On 04/03/15 14:15, Jeroen Belleman wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bah. Linux and Unix have all sorts of remote/shared filesystems. >>>>> Of course, some 'creative' minds thought it'd be a good idea to >>>>> invent yet another such thing. That's the bane of computing. It's >>>>> so often easier to reinvent something than it is to find out how >>>>> to use the existing tricks. >>>> >>>> OK - tell me one that works well with Android, Chromebooks with a >>>> semi-connected internet? >>> >>> M$ one drive works quite well with android, you get 5TB to play with for >>> ~£60pa and you get office free on 5 PCs for that. >> >> And unfortunately it's not under my control. Do I want pictures of my >> kids swimming on their server? >> > > Encryption is your friend. Not really. You are missing the point I fear - this has to be seamless and usable by anyone. Unless you know of an file manager app that does on the fly encryption?
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| From | "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-04 19:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <54f75977$0$23035$b1db1813$62b0a5a8@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #13906 |
On 04/03/2015 18:55, Tim Watts wrote: > On 04/03/15 18:43, Dennis@home wrote: >> On 04/03/2015 17:15, Tim Watts wrote: >>> On 04/03/15 17:07, Dennis@home wrote: >>>> On 04/03/2015 14:32, Tim Watts wrote: >>>>> On 04/03/15 14:15, Jeroen Belleman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Bah. Linux and Unix have all sorts of remote/shared filesystems. >>>>>> Of course, some 'creative' minds thought it'd be a good idea to >>>>>> invent yet another such thing. That's the bane of computing. It's >>>>>> so often easier to reinvent something than it is to find out how >>>>>> to use the existing tricks. >>>>> >>>>> OK - tell me one that works well with Android, Chromebooks with a >>>>> semi-connected internet? >>>> >>>> M$ one drive works quite well with android, you get 5TB to play with >>>> for >>>> ~£60pa and you get office free on 5 PCs for that. >>> >>> And unfortunately it's not under my control. Do I want pictures of my >>> kids swimming on their server? >>> >> >> Encryption is your friend. > > Not really. > > You are missing the point I fear - this has to be seamless and usable by > anyone. > > Unless you know of an file manager app that does on the fly encryption? https://www.boxcryptor.com/en/onedrive
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| From | Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-04 19:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <t54ksb-vg.ln1@squidward.dionic.net> |
| In reply to | #13907 |
On 04/03/15 19:13, Dennis@home wrote: > On 04/03/2015 18:55, Tim Watts wrote: >> Unless you know of an file manager app that does on the fly encryption? > > https://www.boxcryptor.com/en/onedrive Wow. Was not expecting that. That is actually a potentially serious nutcracker there. Thank you. If not my entire media collection, that could be a good contender for shared documents (finances, etc).
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| From | Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-03-04 23:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <iAD*OzEpv@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #13908 |
In uk.d-i-y Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: > On 04/03/15 19:13, Dennis@home wrote: > > On 04/03/2015 18:55, Tim Watts wrote: > > >> Unless you know of an file manager app that does on the fly encryption? > > > > https://www.boxcryptor.com/en/onedrive > > Wow. Was not expecting that. > > That is actually a potentially serious nutcracker there. > > Thank you. > > If not my entire media collection, that could be a good contender for > shared documents (finances, etc). As I see it there are two parts to the problem: storage and syncing. Storage is covered by the NAS. That's the master copy, everything should migrate there. You can nuke all the other copies in the world and you'll only lose the most recent changes. You can do a bulk download quite easily over gigabit ethernet/wifi/USB/SATA. Tools like Google Drive, OneDrive and Dropbox aren't a good idea for the master copy: they're small and they're at the wrong end of the internet. They're also vulnerable to 'ransom risks': if they announce pricing for next month will be $500pm, what do you do? Another risk is site failure: fotopic.net went under and it turned out the bandwidth bill for sucking all the photos off it was beyond the means of the company that had just called in the receiver because they had no money. Likewise Code Spaces got hacked and the attacker just deleted all their files - there was nothing left. The message from this is that if a cloud provider goes under, it's simply gone, you don't get your data back. However they could be useful for transit. For instance, git is a nice protocol because every working copy contains a full copy of the history. That means I don't care if github goes under - I have everything locally. So github is simply a nice website for publishing the sources, and if github went away it wouldn't be much effort to republish elsewhere. If the files are encrypted you also don't need to worry about privacy (though metadata is still an issue, and always the devil is in the key management). So I could see how something like this could work - Dropbox et al are just a transit provider for sharing stuff back to base. This also means they're a commodity conduit - if Dropbox are charging £silly, just switch to OneDrive (or whoever). The one thing I don't see this doing is sending a request to the NAS saying 'please put file XXX in Dropbox so I can see it' - maybe there's a way round that. Or maybe you just say 'you can only view the photos when you're at home'. On the wider philosophical question, I found it depressing to read of an app for sending encrypted SMS where the developers are tightly wedded to the Google Play infrastructure, while seemingly not realising the tensions between these two directions: https://github.com/WhisperSystems/TextSecure/issues/127 As that thread demonstrates the issue is somewhat complicated, but I'm not surprised that many mobile developers don't understand the risks. (That app developer has softened their position somewhat in later posts) Theo
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| From | Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-05 07:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lnelsb-5e5.ln1@squidward.dionic.net> |
| In reply to | #13914 |
On 04/03/15 23:47, Theo Markettos wrote: > In uk.d-i-y Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: >> On 04/03/15 19:13, Dennis@home wrote: >>> On 04/03/2015 18:55, Tim Watts wrote: >> >>>> Unless you know of an file manager app that does on the fly encryption? >>> >>> https://www.boxcryptor.com/en/onedrive >> >> Wow. Was not expecting that. >> >> That is actually a potentially serious nutcracker there. >> >> Thank you. >> >> If not my entire media collection, that could be a good contender for >> shared documents (finances, etc). > > As I see it there are two parts to the problem: storage and syncing. > > Storage is covered by the NAS. That's the master copy, everything should > migrate there. You can nuke all the other copies in the world and you'll > only lose the most recent changes. You can do a bulk download > quite easily over gigabit ethernet/wifi/USB/SATA. > > Tools like Google Drive, OneDrive and Dropbox aren't a good idea for the > master copy: they're small and they're at the wrong end of the internet. > They're also vulnerable to 'ransom risks': if they announce pricing for next > month will be $500pm, what do you do? +1 to that... > Another risk is site failure: fotopic.net went under and it turned out the > bandwidth bill for sucking all the photos off it was beyond the means of the > company that had just called in the receiver because they had no money. > Likewise Code Spaces got hacked and the attacker just deleted all their > files - there was nothing left. The message from this is that if a cloud > provider goes under, it's simply gone, you don't get your data back. And whilst Drive is *probably* not going away soon, Google have form for randomly pulling projects at short notice and for selling stuff on. > However they could be useful for transit. For instance, git is a nice > protocol because every working copy contains a full copy of the history. > That means I don't care if github goes under - I have everything locally. > So github is simply a nice website for publishing the sources, and if github > went away it wouldn't be much effort to republish elsewhere. > If the files are encrypted you also don't need to worry about privacy > (though metadata is still an issue, and always the devil is in the key > management). > > So I could see how something like this could work - Dropbox et al are just a > transit provider for sharing stuff back to base. This also means they're a > commodity conduit - if Dropbox are charging £silly, just switch to OneDrive > (or whoever). The one thing I don't see this doing is sending a request to > the NAS saying 'please put file XXX in Dropbox so I can see it' - maybe > there's a way round that. Or maybe you just say 'you can only view the > photos when you're at home'. It would be fun to sniff the conversation between Drive and my computer - with a minimal client so I don't see all the web supporting stuff. I *wonder* if it is something that could be reverse engineered into a home server... > > On the wider philosophical question, I found it depressing to read of an app > for sending encrypted SMS where the developers are tightly wedded to the > Google Play infrastructure, while seemingly not realising the tensions > between these two directions: > https://github.com/WhisperSystems/TextSecure/issues/127 > As that thread demonstrates the issue is somewhat complicated, but I'm not > surprised that many mobile developers don't understand the risks. > (That app developer has softened their position somewhat in later posts) > > Theo >
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-05 09:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <md992t$91t$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #13917 |
In comp.os.linux.misc Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: > On 04/03/15 23:47, Theo Markettos wrote: > > However they could be useful for transit. For instance, git is a > > nice protocol because every working copy contains a full copy of > > the history. That means I don't care if github goes under - I have > > everything locally. So github is simply a nice website for > > publishing the sources, and if github went away it wouldn't be much > > effort to republish elsewhere. If the files are encrypted you also > > don't need to worry about privacy (though metadata is still an > > issue, and always the devil is in the key management). > > > > So I could see how something like this could work - Dropbox et al > > are just a transit provider for sharing stuff back to base. This > > also means they're a commodity conduit - if Dropbox are charging > > £silly, just switch to OneDrive (or whoever). The one thing I > > don't see this doing is sending a request to the NAS saying 'please > > put file XXX in Dropbox so I can see it' - maybe there's a way > > round that. Or maybe you just say 'you can only view the photos > > when you're at home'. > It would be fun to sniff the conversation between Drive and my > - computer with a minimal client so I don't see all the web > - supporting stuff. > I *wonder* if it is something that could be reverse engineered into a > home server... Another item that has not been mentioned yet is git annex: https://git-annex.branchable.com/ Disclaimer, never used it. Also don't know how well it 'interfaces' with android/chromebooks. Both of which, while running Free Software Linux underneath the hood have much more in common with proprietary software than Free Software. Note that on both, even though the engine/transmission is Linux, ship in their default config with the hood (bonnet) firmly locked down against end user modification. Git annex's webpage description does talk about keeping sync in the face of intermittent/mobile network connection.
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| From | Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-03-05 12:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <iAD*GhHpv@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #13921 |
In uk.comp.os.linux Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: > Another item that has not been mentioned yet is git annex: > https://git-annex.branchable.com/ I've been meaning to look at that for a while. It does seem interesting in that it supports protocols like Google Drive for storing files. However, I don't know if they're usable on Android/etc if encrypted - you just have a pile of encrypted files and hashes. There's an Android app: http://git-annex.branchable.com/Android/ and a git-annex based FS (a bit old): https://github.com/chmduquesne/sharebox-fs but otherwise it seems like any encrypted system needs a client at the other end, and that doesn't exist for all platforms. Theo
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| From | Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-05 14:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <a85msb-55k.ln1@squidward.dionic.net> |
| In reply to | #13921 |
On 05/03/15 09:53, Rich wrote: > Another item that has not been mentioned yet is git annex: > https://git-annex.branchable.com/ Hot-Damn - that is very very interesting - that demands a play... Wow - thanks folks, turning up some cool stuff :)
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| From | "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-05 19:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <54f8ae05$0$38730$b1db1813$5ba256c5@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #13935 |
On 05/03/2015 14:19, Tim Watts wrote: > On 05/03/15 09:53, Rich wrote: > >> Another item that has not been mentioned yet is git annex: >> https://git-annex.branchable.com/ > > Hot-Damn - that is very very interesting - that demands a play... > > Wow - thanks folks, turning up some cool stuff :) It worries me when they make statements like.. "When Bob needs access to some files, git-annex can tell him which drive(s) they're on, and easily make them available. Indeed, every drive knows what is on every other drive." Just how do the offline drives know what he has just done on the online ones. Its not actually possible. The best they can do is sync them so they know the current state is when you connect one online until then some of the drives have no idea what is on the others.
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| From | chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-05 22:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mdajs0$s5l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #13939 |
On 05/03/2015 19:27, Dennis@home wrote: > On 05/03/2015 14:19, Tim Watts wrote: >> On 05/03/15 09:53, Rich wrote: >> >>> Another item that has not been mentioned yet is git annex: >>> https://git-annex.branchable.com/ >> >> Hot-Damn - that is very very interesting - that demands a play... >> >> Wow - thanks folks, turning up some cool stuff :) > > It worries me when they make statements like.. > > > "When Bob needs access to some files, git-annex can tell him which > drive(s) they're on, and easily make them available. Indeed, every drive > knows what is on every other drive." > > Just how do the offline drives know what he has just done on the online > ones. Its not actually possible. The best they can do is sync them so > they know the current state is when you connect one online until then > some of the drives have no idea what is on the others. Don't be daft. Where does it mention 'offline' drives? It's Bob that wants to know where various files are, not the drives.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-05 10:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <md99mk$e0m$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #13917 |
In comp.os.linux.misc Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: > It would be fun to sniff the conversation between Drive and my > - computer with a minimal client so I don't see all the web > - supporting stuff. > I *wonder* if it is something that could be reverse engineered into a > home server... Another one that has not come up yet (at least that I recall): Tahoe-LAFS https://www.tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs
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| From | Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-05 12:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <soulsb-kig.ln1@squidward.dionic.net> |
| In reply to | #13922 |
On 05/03/15 10:04, Rich wrote: > In comp.os.linux.misc Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: >> It would be fun to sniff the conversation between Drive and my >> - computer with a minimal client so I don't see all the web >> - supporting stuff. > >> I *wonder* if it is something that could be reverse engineered into a >> home server... > > Another one that has not come up yet (at least that I recall): > > Tahoe-LAFS https://www.tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs > Oh - that does look interesting!
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| From | Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-03-05 13:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lAD*DtHpv@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #13931 |
In uk.d-i-y Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: > On 05/03/15 10:04, Rich wrote: > > Another one that has not come up yet (at least that I recall): > > > > Tahoe-LAFS https://www.tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs > > > > Oh - that does look interesting! Just to make things more complicated, there's a Tahoe backend for git-annex http://git-annex.branchable.com/special_remotes/tahoe/ Theo (time to lie down and recover from architecture diagram overload ;-)
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| From | Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-03-05 11:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lAD*gdHpv@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #13917 |
In uk.comp.os.linux Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: > It would be fun to sniff the conversation between Drive and my computer > - with a minimal client so I don't see all the web supporting stuff. There are clients like: https://github.com/astrada/google-drive-ocamlfuse https://github.com/iwonbigbro/gsync https://www.jobnix.in/dropbox-command-line-interface-cli-client/ I don't know of their maturity. Bolting on encryption is another question. However, even encrypted I don't think this is the full solution. Because the model is that everything lives primarily in the cloud, whereas we're using the cloud as simply a disposable cache of what we have locally. That means they don't present the unified worldview of 'here are all the files you can have, but some of them will take longer' that a remote FS would do. Theo
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-20 14:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.2f762feb14f3f22d98983b@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #13928 |
In article <lAD*gdHpv@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk says... > > In uk.comp.os.linux Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: > > It would be fun to sniff the conversation between Drive and my computer > > - with a minimal client so I don't see all the web supporting stuff. > > There are clients like: > https://github.com/astrada/google-drive-ocamlfuse > https://github.com/iwonbigbro/gsync > https://www.jobnix.in/dropbox-command-line-interface-cli-client/ > > I don't know of their maturity. Bolting on encryption is another > question. > > However, even encrypted I don't think this is the full solution. Because > the model is that everything lives primarily in the cloud, whereas we're > using the cloud as simply a disposable cache of what we have locally. That > means they don't present the unified worldview of 'here are all the files > you can have, but some of them will take longer' that a remote FS would do. I can't speak for "the cloud" in general but OneDrive synchs on all computers on which the client is installed (you don't need to install the client to use the service--you can also access it using a web browser and download whatever you need but you lose the transparency), so for all my OneDrive files I eventually end up with four copies, one on my workstation, one on my server, one on my laptop, and one at Microsoft. Which unless Microsoft decides to screw me over with my own data, is actually a pretty good arrangement--it would take a fairly substantial disaster to lose all copies.
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| From | Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> |
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| Date | 2015-03-22 15:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <memln2$o2d$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #14169 |
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 14:24:54 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: > In article <lAD*gdHpv@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, > theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk says... >> >> In uk.comp.os.linux Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote: >> > It would be fun to sniff the conversation between Drive and my >> > computer - with a minimal client so I don't see all the web >> > supporting stuff. >> >> There are clients like: >> https://github.com/astrada/google-drive-ocamlfuse >> https://github.com/iwonbigbro/gsync >> https://www.jobnix.in/dropbox-command-line-interface-cli-client/ >> >> I don't know of their maturity. Bolting on encryption is another >> question. >> >> However, even encrypted I don't think this is the full solution. >> Because the model is that everything lives primarily in the cloud, >> whereas we're using the cloud as simply a disposable cache of what we >> have locally. That means they don't present the unified worldview of >> 'here are all the files you can have, but some of them will take >> longer' that a remote FS would do. > > I can't speak for "the cloud" in general but OneDrive synchs on all > computers on which the client is installed (you don't need to install > the client to use the service--you can also access it using a web > browser and download whatever you need but you lose the transparency), > so for all my OneDrive files I eventually end up with four copies, one > on my workstation, one on my server, one on my laptop, and one at > Microsoft. Which unless Microsoft decides to screw me over with my own > data, is actually a pretty good arrangement--it would take a fairly > substantial disaster to lose all copies. DropBox works the same way. One copy on every installed computer and one on their cloud servers. Exception is mobile devices which download on demand. I believe the android client will let you specify particular files to keep locally.
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-04 14:51 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <md7nnc$lhr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #13900 |
Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> writes: > On 04/03/15 17:07, Dennis@home wrote: >> On 04/03/2015 14:32, Tim Watts wrote: >>> On 04/03/15 14:15, Jeroen Belleman wrote: >>> >>>> Bah. Linux and Unix have all sorts of remote/shared filesystems. >>>> Of course, some 'creative' minds thought it'd be a good idea to >>>> invent yet another such thing. That's the bane of computing. It's >>>> so often easier to reinvent something than it is to find out how >>>> to use the existing tricks. >>> >>> OK - tell me one that works well with Android, Chromebooks with a >>> semi-connected internet? >> >> M$ one drive works quite well with android, you get 5TB to play with for >> ~£60pa and you get office free on 5 PCs for that. > > And unfortunately it's not under my control. Do I want pictures of my > kids swimming on their server? Huh? What exactly are you trying to protect? Are your kids especially ugly? I've taken plenty of pictures of people in the water. I don't see the issue. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-04 20:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <7p5ksb-n64.ln1@squidward.dionic.net> |
| In reply to | #13909 |
On 04/03/15 19:51, Dan Espen wrote: > > Huh? > > What exactly are you trying to protect? Are your kids especially ugly? > > I've taken plenty of pictures of people in the water. > I don't see the issue. > > It's not a big surprise, someone not trusting external cloud providers. Have you not seem the amount of pics hacked off various photo sharing sites that the user really did not want to have in the public domain? So it's not something I need to defend really - I just don't want all my personal stuff on someone else's servers. I have no problem with using Google Calendar because I never have anything that interesting in there. But if I were running an innovative company and used it to store all sorts if meetings with interesting people, then I would think twice.
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