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  Adding journal to ext2 "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-02-02 15:54 -0500
    Re: Adding journal to ext2 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-02-02 22:33 +0000
      Re: Adding journal to ext2 "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-02-02 18:02 -0500
      Re: Adding journal to ext2 "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-02-02 18:36 -0500
        Re: Adding journal to ext2 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-02-02 23:46 +0000
          Re: Adding journal to ext2 "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-02-02 19:06 -0500
        Re: Adding journal to ext2 Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-02-02 18:09 -0600
    Re: Adding journal to ext2 Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-02-03 00:18 +0000
      Re: Adding journal to ext2 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-02-03 20:52 +0000
        Re: Adding journal to ext2 philo <philo@privacy.not> - 2015-02-04 06:33 -0600
          Re: Adding journal to ext2 "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-02-04 14:42 -0500
            Re: Adding journal to ext2 philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-02-04 18:59 -0600
          Re: Adding journal to ext2 "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2015-02-04 13:28 -0800
    Re: Adding journal to ext2 Michael Baeuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> - 2015-02-03 09:06 +0000
      Re: Adding journal to ext2 William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-02-03 16:53 +0000
        Re: Adding journal to ext2 Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-02-03 12:12 -0500
          Re: Adding journal to ext2 "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-02-04 14:45 -0500
            Re: Adding journal to ext2 William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-02-04 23:12 +0000
              Re: Adding journal to ext2 "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-02-04 20:55 -0500
              Re: Adding journal to ext2 "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-02-04 22:06 -0500
        Re: Adding journal to ext2 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-02-03 18:12 +0000
          Re: Adding journal to ext2 "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-02-04 14:35 -0500
        Re: Adding journal to ext2 "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-02-03 16:02 -0500
        Re: Adding journal to ext2 "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-02-03 16:02 -0500

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#13544 — Adding journal to ext2

    This might sound silly. But I formatted my linux using ext2. Why not 
ext3-4 some might say. I don't know. But anyway. I know you cannot be 
mounted at all on the filesystem to use e2fsck for adding the journal. Not 
even mounted RO. I have a hidden file .journal in the root. But try to boot 
via F20 netinstall and can't seem to get the journal inode added. Anybody 
have any ideas that might be able to help me?

Bill

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#13547

Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote:
>     This might sound silly. But I formatted my linux using ext2. Why not 
> ext3-4 some might say. I don't know. But anyway. I know you cannot be 
> mounted at all on the filesystem to use e2fsck for adding the journal. Not 
> even mounted RO. I have a hidden file .journal in the root. But try to boot 
> via F20 netinstall and can't seem to get the journal inode added. Anybody 
> have any ideas that might be able to help me?

Google for: "upgrade ext2 to ext4", read the top few hits.

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#13548

"Rich" <rich@example.invalid> wrote in message 
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> Google for: "upgrade ext2 to ext4", read the top few hits.

    OK .You know I tried google and it didn't want to show me much at al. I 
tried stackoverflow and it didn't say much.

Bill

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#13550

"Rich" <rich@example.invalid> wrote in message 
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> Google for: "upgrade ext2 to ext4", read the top few >hits.

    Well I took your advice concernig the first page of hits. I didn't find 
out anything that I didn't already know. You have to boot from a disk. I've 
never been a big fan of google like some. It's never been good to me. But 
since you suggested it I will take your advice. Nothing on the first page 
helped me. I am using a netinstall cd rather than a livecd if that makes a 
difference.

Bill

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#13551

Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote:

> "Rich" <rich@example.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:maotv8$dvo$2@dont-email.me...

> > Google for: "upgrade ext2 to ext4", read the top few >hits.

>     Well I took your advice concernig the first page of hits. I didn't find 
> out anything that I didn't already know. You have to boot from a disk. I've 
> never been a big fan of google like some. It's never been good to me. But 
> since you suggested it I will take your advice. Nothing on the first page 
> helped me. I am using a netinstall cd rather than a livecd if that makes a 
> difference.

> Bill


When I google for the exact phrase above, I get this as the top hit in
the hit page:

http://lifehacker.com/5613333/convert-ext2-or-ext3-to-ext4-without-reformatting-your-hard-drive

It has a link to this:

http://www.ghacks.net/2010/08/11/convert-ext23-to-ext4/

Which provides step by step directions for how to upgrade, without
reformatting, an ext2 partition to ext4.


It is important, however, that you follow the directions given.  The
"livecd" part is critical.  A netinstall cd likely does not contain all
of the necessary tools to make the upgrade happen.

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#13552

"Rich" <rich@example.invalid> wrote in message 
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> It is important, however, that you follow the directions given.  The
> "livecd" part is critical.  A netinstall cd likely does not contain all
> of the necessary tools to make the upgrade happen.

    I did see that. But like it sayd you have to boot from a livecd. I 
booted with a netinstall and it wanted me to mount a /mnt/sysimage 
directory. I didn't do that and stayed in the main part of the cd and 
umounted my mounted root filesystem and it worked! I also had access to 
e2fsck so I was able to solve the problem.

Bill

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#13554

At Mon, 2 Feb 2015 18:36:24 -0500 "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote:

> 
> 
> "Rich" <rich@example.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:maotv8$dvo$2@dont-email.me...
> 
> > Google for: "upgrade ext2 to ext4", read the top few >hits.
> 
>     Well I took your advice concernig the first page of hits. I didn't find 
> out anything that I didn't already know. You have to boot from a disk. I've 
> never been a big fan of google like some. It's never been good to me. But 
> since you suggested it I will take your advice. Nothing on the first page 
> helped me. I am using a netinstall cd rather than a livecd if that makes a 
> difference.

It does!  You need either a livecd or a proper full install CD (in rescue 
mode).  I expect that the netinstall does not have enough on it.  The 'trick' 
here is to NOT mount the system root file system.  You need to use e2fs 
utilities on the *unmounted* system root file system.

> 
> Bill
> 
> 
>                                  

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#13556

"Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> writes:
>     This might sound silly. But I formatted my linux using ext2. Why not 
> ext3-4 some might say. I don't know. But anyway. I know you cannot be 
> mounted at all on the filesystem to use e2fsck for adding the journal. Not 
> even mounted RO. I have a hidden file .journal in the root. But try to boot 
> via F20 netinstall and can't seem to get the journal inode added. Anybody 
> have any ideas that might be able to help me?

mkfs -t ext4 and restore from backup.

-- 
http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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#13586

On 2015-02-03, Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> writes:
>
>>     This might sound silly. But I formatted my linux using ext2. Why not 
>> ext3-4 some might say. I don't know. But anyway. I know you cannot be 
>> mounted at all on the filesystem to use e2fsck for adding the journal. Not 
>> even mounted RO. I have a hidden file .journal in the root. But try to boot 
>> via F20 netinstall and can't seem to get the journal inode added. Anybody 
>> have any ideas that might be able to help me?
>
> mkfs -t ext4 and restore from backup.

That sounds much easier (and safer!) than futzing around with other
solutions, unless you're just looking for kicks.  Me, I have better
things to do with my time.  If I were to do it, I'd make sure my backup
was good, then do the mkfs, start the restore, and go to bed.

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#13599

On 02/03/2015 02:52 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2015-02-03, Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> writes:
>>
>>>      This might sound silly. But I formatted my linux using ext2. Why not
>>> ext3-4 some might say. I don't know. But anyway. I know you cannot be
>>> mounted at all on the filesystem to use e2fsck for adding the journal. Not
>>> even mounted RO. I have a hidden file .journal in the root. But try to boot
>>> via F20 netinstall and can't seem to get the journal inode added. Anybody
>>> have any ideas that might be able to help me?
>>
>> mkfs -t ext4 and restore from backup.
>
> That sounds much easier (and safer!) than futzing around with other
> solutions, unless you're just looking for kicks.  Me, I have better
> things to do with my time.  If I were to do it, I'd make sure my backup
> was good, then do the mkfs, start the restore, and go to bed.
>



Yep. totally agree.

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#13601

"philo" <philo@privacy.not> wrote in message 
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> On 02/03/2015 02:52 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2015-02-03, Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>>      This might sound silly. But I formatted my linux using ext2. Why 
>>>> not
>>>> ext3-4 some might say. I don't know. But anyway. I know you cannot be
>>>> mounted at all on the filesystem to use e2fsck for adding the journal. 
>>>> Not
>>>> even mounted RO. I have a hidden file .journal in the root. But try to 
>>>> boot
>>>> via F20 netinstall and can't seem to get the journal inode added. 
>>>> Anybody
>>>> have any ideas that might be able to help me?
>>>
>>> mkfs -t ext4 and restore from backup.
>>
>> That sounds much easier (and safer!) than futzing around with other
>> solutions, unless you're just looking for kicks.  Me, I have better
>> things to do with my time.  If I were to do it, I'd make sure my backup
>> was good, then do the mkfs, start the restore, and go to bed.
>>
>
>
>
> Yep. totally agree.

I have an interest in filesystems and their internals as I am sure Philo can 
tell you. I don't "just do things for kicks". I am trying to learn 
something. I have been comparing fat32 and ntfs for a while and I'm running 
ntfs right now. It's nothing like what I've heard about xfs as far as 
"moderness". but that's for another place.

Bill

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#13607

On 02/04/2015 01:42 PM, Bill Cunningham wrote:
> "philo" <philo@privacy.not> wrote in message
> news:mat3h1$jhu$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 02/03/2015 02:52 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2015-02-03, Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>       This might sound silly. But I formatted my linux using ext2. Why
>>>>> not
>>>>> ext3-4 some might say. I don't know. But anyway. I know you cannot be
>>>>> mounted at all on the filesystem to use e2fsck for adding the journal.
>>>>> Not
>>>>> even mounted RO. I have a hidden file .journal in the root. But try to
>>>>> boot
>>>>> via F20 netinstall and can't seem to get the journal inode added.
>>>>> Anybody
>>>>> have any ideas that might be able to help me?
>>>>
>>>> mkfs -t ext4 and restore from backup.
>>>
>>> That sounds much easier (and safer!) than futzing around with other
>>> solutions, unless you're just looking for kicks.  Me, I have better
>>> things to do with my time.  If I were to do it, I'd make sure my backup
>>> was good, then do the mkfs, start the restore, and go to bed.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yep. totally agree.
>
> I have an interest in filesystems and their internals as I am sure Philo can
> tell you. I don't "just do things for kicks". I am trying to learn
> something. I have been comparing fat32 and ntfs for a while and I'm running
> ntfs right now. It's nothing like what I've heard about xfs as far as
> "moderness". but that's for another place.
>
> Bill
>
>



Yes, and if you like experimenting (like I do) then give the conversion 
a try.

Just saying if it was something critical I'd not do it

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#13603

"philo" <philo@privacy.not> wrote in message 
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> On 02/03/2015 02:52 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2015-02-03, Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>>      This might sound silly. But I formatted my linux using ext2. Why 
>>>> not
>>>> ext3-4 some might say. I don't know. But anyway. I know you cannot be
>>>> mounted at all on the filesystem to use e2fsck for adding the journal. 
>>>> Not
>>>> even mounted RO. I have a hidden file .journal in the root. But try to 
>>>> boot
>>>> via F20 netinstall and can't seem to get the journal inode added. 
>>>> Anybody
>>>> have any ideas that might be able to help me?
>>>
>>> mkfs -t ext4 and restore from backup.
>>
>> That sounds much easier (and safer!) than futzing around with other
>> solutions, unless you're just looking for kicks.  Me, I have better
>> things to do with my time.  If I were to do it, I'd make sure my backup
>> was good, then do the mkfs, start the restore, and go to bed.
>>
>
>
>
> Yep. totally agree.

+1

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#13562

Bill Cunningham wrote:
> 
>     This might sound silly. But I formatted my linux using ext2. Why not 
> ext3-4 some might say. I don't know. But anyway. I know you cannot be 
> mounted at all on the filesystem to use e2fsck for adding the journal. Not 
> even mounted RO. I have a hidden file .journal in the root. But try to boot 
> via F20 netinstall and can't seem to get the journal inode added. Anybody 
> have any ideas that might be able to help me?

The man page say that the visible ".journal" entry is generated when:

   tune2fs -j

is applied to a mounted filesystem. And that the next run of e2fsck on
the unmounted filesystem will move the journal to the normal, invisible
location.

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#13570

On 2015-02-03, Michael Baeuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> wrote:
> Bill Cunningham wrote:
>> 
>>     This might sound silly. But I formatted my linux using ext2. Why not 
>> ext3-4 some might say. I don't know. But anyway. I know you cannot be 
>> mounted at all on the filesystem to use e2fsck for adding the journal. Not 
>> even mounted RO. I have a hidden file .journal in the root. But try to boot 
>> via F20 netinstall and can't seem to get the journal inode added. Anybody 
>> have any ideas that might be able to help me?
>
> The man page say that the visible ".journal" entry is generated when:
>
>    tune2fs -j
>
> is applied to a mounted filesystem. And that the next run of e2fsck on
> the unmounted filesystem will move the journal to the normal, invisible
> location.

It may be that what he did is to manually put a file .journal into the
root of the filesystem and then hope that that would be used as the
journal. 
So, If he added that .journal file himself, he should remove it, and
then he should use tune2fs -j on that partition, and then reboot. 
Then he will have an ext3 filesystem. 

As usual he has not given us enough information to tell what it was he
did. 

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#13573

On Tuesday February 3 2015 11:53, in comp.os.linux.misc, "William Unruh"
<unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:

> On 2015-02-03, Michael Baeuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> wrote:
>> Bill Cunningham wrote:
>>> 
>>>     This might sound silly. But I formatted my linux using ext2. Why not
>>> ext3-4 some might say. I don't know. But anyway. I know you cannot be
>>> mounted at all on the filesystem to use e2fsck for adding the journal.
>>> Not even mounted RO. I have a hidden file .journal in the root. But try
>>> to boot via F20 netinstall and can't seem to get the journal inode
>>> added. Anybody have any ideas that might be able to help me?
>>
>> The man page say that the visible ".journal" entry is generated when:
>>
>>    tune2fs -j
>>
>> is applied to a mounted filesystem. And that the next run of e2fsck on
>> the unmounted filesystem will move the journal to the normal, invisible
>> location.
> 
> It may be that what he did is to manually put a file .journal into the
> root of the filesystem and then hope that that would be used as the
> journal.
> So, If he added that .journal file himself, he should remove it, and
> then he should use tune2fs -j on that partition, and then reboot.
> Then he will have an ext3 filesystem.

He will still have to /mount/ the filesystem as ext3; an ext3 filesystem
will mount as ext2, just without journaling.

> As usual he has not given us enough information to tell what it was he
> did.

Typical of Bill C.

-- 
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills, We Trust"
PGP public key available upon request

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#13602

"Lew Pitcher" <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote in message 
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>> As usual he has not given us enough information to tell what it was he
>> did.
>
> Typical of Bill C.

Did I not say enough or say too much. I discovered that netinstall cd can 
indeed be used as an alternative to live and full cd for umount while 
converting. I was trying to ask for an alternative method and discovered my 
own.

Bill

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#13604

On 2015-02-04, Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote:
>
> "Lew Pitcher" <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote in message 
> news:Yv7Aw.1192645$No4.809997@fx19.iad...
>
>>> As usual he has not given us enough information to tell what it was he
>>> did.
>>
>> Typical of Bill C.
>
> Did I not say enough or say too much. I discovered that netinstall cd can 
> indeed be used as an alternative to live and full cd for umount while 
> converting. I was trying to ask for an alternative method and discovered my 
> own.

So your post was simply babbling that we were supposed to ignore? Good
advice for next time I guess. 

>
> Bill
>
>
>

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#13608

"William Unruh" <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in message 
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> On 2015-02-04, Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> "Lew Pitcher" <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote in message
>> news:Yv7Aw.1192645$No4.809997@fx19.iad...
>>
>>>> As usual he has not given us enough information to tell what it was he
>>>> did.
>>>
>>> Typical of Bill C.
>>
>> Did I not say enough or say too much. I discovered that netinstall cd can
>> indeed be used as an alternative to live and full cd for umount while
>> converting. I was trying to ask for an alternative method and discovered 
>> my
>> own.
>
> So your post was simply babbling that we were supposed to ignore? Good
> advice for next time I guess.
>
<shrug>

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#13609

"William Unruh" <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in message 
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> So your post was simply babbling that we were >supposed to ignore? Good
> advice for next time I guess.

<shrug>

That's not a descision for me to make.

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