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Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud

Started byTim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net>
First post2015-03-04 13:14 +0000
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  Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 13:14 +0000
    Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2015-03-04 15:15 +0100
      Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-04 14:19 +0000
      Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 14:32 +0000
        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-03-04 08:53 -0600
          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 15:08 +0000
            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Kirk_Von_Rockstein <Kirk_Von_Rockstein@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-05 20:11 +0000
            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-03-12 03:12 -0400
              Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-12 08:24 +0000
                Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn@panix.com> - 2015-03-12 19:07 +0000
        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-04 09:57 -0500
          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 15:10 +0000
            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-04 11:57 -0500
              Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 17:14 +0000
                Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> - 2015-03-23 10:47 +0000
                  Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Real Doctor <ian.groups@btinternet.com> - 2015-03-23 12:08 +0000
          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud HarpingOn <postmaster@127.0.0.1> - 2015-03-04 15:11 +0000
            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 15:22 +0000
        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-04 15:36 +0000
        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-04 17:07 +0000
          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 17:15 +0000
            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-04 18:43 +0000
              Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 18:55 +0000
                Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-04 19:13 +0000
                  Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 19:48 +0000
                    Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-03-04 23:47 +0000
                      Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-05 07:55 +0000
                        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-05 09:53 +0000
                          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-03-05 12:09 +0000
                          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-05 14:19 +0000
                            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-05 19:27 +0000
                              Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2015-03-05 22:04 +0000
                        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-05 10:04 +0000
                          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-05 12:28 +0000
                            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-03-05 13:00 +0000
                        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-03-05 11:50 +0000
                          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-03-20 14:24 -0400
                            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2015-03-22 15:05 +0000
            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-04 14:51 -0500
              Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 20:16 +0000
                Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2015-03-10 14:44 -0700
                  Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-11 17:45 +0000
                    Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-03-11 14:15 -0500
                      Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2015-03-11 15:42 -0700
                        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-11 23:26 +0000
                          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-12 18:17 +0000
                        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> - 2015-03-12 07:47 +0000
                          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2015-03-12 12:23 -0700
                            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-03-13 07:19 +1100
                        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-12 08:22 +0000
                          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-03-12 09:14 +0000
                            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-12 09:39 +0000
                            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> - 2015-03-12 09:42 +0000
                              Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-12 16:59 +0000
                                Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> - 2015-03-12 17:20 +0000
                                  Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-03-12 12:49 -0500
                                  Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-12 19:03 +0000
                            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-12 10:12 +0000
                              Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-12 18:17 +0000
                                Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-03-13 07:13 +1100
                                Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-12 20:50 +0000
                                  Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-03-12 16:08 -0500
                                Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-12 21:24 +0000
                                Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Capitol <spam@wher.eva.co.uk> - 2015-03-12 22:00 +0000
                                  Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud ImperiusDamian <damianblack.wolf@gmail.com> - 2015-03-18 09:13 -0400
                                    Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2015-03-19 02:43 +0000
                                      Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-03-20 14:30 -0400
                            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-12 20:00 +0000
                          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Nigel Wade <nmw@ion.le.ac.uk> - 2015-03-12 09:47 +0000
                        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-12 09:38 +0000
                          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-12 09:43 +0000
                            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2015-03-12 10:50 +0000
                              Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2015-03-12 15:25 -0700
                                Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-13 08:19 +0000
                                  Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-13 12:43 +0000
                                    Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-13 19:39 +0000
                                      Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-14 02:12 +0000
                                  Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-13 15:13 +0000
                                    Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-03-13 16:53 +0000
                                    Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-13 19:30 +0000
                                  Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2015-03-14 13:00 +0000
                                    Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-14 14:48 +0000
                                      Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-14 16:43 +0000
                                        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-14 17:58 +0000
                                          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-14 22:41 +0000
                                        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-14 18:20 +0000
                                        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-14 19:34 +0000
                                          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-14 22:43 +0000
                                          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-03-20 14:53 -0400
                                      Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2015-03-15 13:34 +0000
                                        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-03-15 15:41 +0000
                                          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-15 18:40 +0000
                                            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-16 15:35 +0000
                                              Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-03-16 15:45 +0000
                                              Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Dennis@home" <dennis@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-03-16 16:21 +0000
                                              Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-03-16 19:05 +0000
                                                Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-16 21:40 +0000
                                                  Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-17 15:00 +0000
                            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Nigel Wade <nmw@ion.le.ac.uk> - 2015-03-12 11:17 +0000
                          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-12 12:03 +0000
                            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Stan Bischof <stan@worldbadminton.com> - 2015-03-12 16:28 +0000
                              Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-12 20:35 +0000
                    Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-03-11 22:52 +0000
                      Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-12 18:17 +0000
        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-03-12 02:51 -0400
          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-12 08:21 +0000
            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn@panix.com> - 2015-03-12 19:09 +0000
    Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud HarpingOn <postmaster@127.0.0.1> - 2015-03-04 15:10 +0000
      Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 15:19 +0000
        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-03-04 15:54 +0000
          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 16:10 +0000
            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2015-03-05 11:20 +0000
              Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-05 12:29 +0000
    Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 18:56 +0000
    Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-05 00:33 +0000
    Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2015-03-05 22:46 +0000
      Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-06 08:07 +0000
        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2015-03-14 11:56 +0000
          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-14 14:47 +0000
            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-03-15 05:40 +1100
              Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-14 18:51 +0000
                Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-03-15 06:12 +1100
                  Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-14 19:23 +0000
                    Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-03-15 06:27 +1100
                      Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-14 22:00 +0000
                        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-03-15 11:22 +1100
                        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-15 09:10 +0000
                        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tony Houghton <h@realh.co.uk> - 2015-03-15 00:08 +0000
                        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2015-03-15 15:34 +0000
            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2015-03-15 18:33 +0000
              Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-16 07:46 +0000
            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2015-03-16 00:16 +0100
              Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2015-03-16 10:55 -0700
                Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-16 18:10 +0000
                  Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2015-03-17 13:55 -0700
                    Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-17 21:15 +0000
                      Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2015-03-17 16:17 -0700
                        Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-18 08:15 +0000
                          Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2015-03-18 09:02 -0700
                            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-18 16:14 +0000
            Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud ruben <nowhere@nowhere.nor> - 2015-05-03 06:49 +0000
              Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-05-03 09:12 +0200
              Re: Opensource slowing down? "GoogleDrive" private cloud Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-05-03 10:57 +0100

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#14035

FromStan Bischof <stan@worldbadminton.com>
Date2015-03-12 16:28 +0000
Message-ID<5501bebe$0$36590$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
In reply to#14034
In comp.os.linux.misc Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote:
> 
> The really careful and/or paranoid will use a cycle of at least three 
> backup disks.
> 

I cycle 4 disks: 3 onsite and one offsite, but nothing to do with 
paranoia. I use them as short-term archive also- not just backup. I've 
never had a disk failure in 20+ years that needed a true backup ("knock 
on wood", as they say) but at the same time I _have_ had multiple 
occasions where it has been very useful to grab a file from a month or 
two previously. This due to inadvertent deletion, or looking for 
previous version of the file, etc. Hence 4 disks ranging from current to 
several months old has served me very well for many years.

As you might intuit, I'm not about to turn over everything I have to 
Apple or Google or the like, so run my own server and take care of my 
own data.

Stan

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#14050

FromMartin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid>
Date2015-03-12 20:35 +0000
Message-ID<mdstbd$89q$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#14035
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 16:28:46 +0000, Stan Bischof wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.misc Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid>
> wrote:
>> 
>> The really careful and/or paranoid will use a cycle of at least three
>> backup disks.
>> 
>> 
> I cycle 4 disks: 3 onsite and one offsite, but nothing to do with
> paranoia. I use them as short-term archive also- not just backup. I've
> never had a disk failure in 20+ years that needed a true backup ("knock
> on wood", as they say) but at the same time I _have_ had multiple
> occasions where it has been very useful to grab a file from a month or
> two previously.
>
I've had a few disks die - can't think of the brand offhand but its no 
longer with us and wasn't any of the big three. They excellent for a few 
years but then after a succession of them failed at about the time the 
guarantee ended I got smart and switched brands. The failure mode was 
always the same - over a day or two the drives got progressively slower 
until they became unusable.

In all cases the solution was a new drive and restore from the backup.

> This due to inadvertent deletion, or looking for
> previous version of the file, etc. Hence 4 disks ranging from current to
> several months old has served me very well for many years.
>
I have an additional USB drive thats always connected because a cron job 
backs up to it at 03:00. Its there for finger trouble recovery: it 
currently holds compressed backups from the last 15 days. Can't recall 
when I last pulled anything back from it though, because any file I think 
is at all valuable is put under CVS version control. Version controlled 
files are the ultimate protection against finger trouble and of course 
the version control repository gets backed up to offline storage along 
with everything else.
 
> As you might intuit, I'm not about to turn over everything I have to
> Apple or Google or the like, so run my own server and take care of my
> own data.
>
+1

-- 
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gregorie. | Essex, UK
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#14017

FromRichard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk>
Date2015-03-11 22:52 +0000
Message-ID<wwva8zjno3g.fsf@l1AntVDjLrnP7Td3DQJ8ynzIq3lJMueXf87AxnpFoA.invalid>
In reply to#14013
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
> And once you've backed everything up on an external drive, once you unplug
> that drive, _nobody_ can touch it.

Have you checked your external drive doesn’t contain a wifi transmitter?

(No, nor have I, but then again my backup drives don’t see plaintext
anyway.)

-- 
http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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#14039

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2015-03-12 18:17 +0000
Message-ID<mdsl7o01v4h@news3.newsguy.com>
In reply to#14017
On 2015-03-11, Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>
>> And once you've backed everything up on an external drive, once you unplug
>> that drive, _nobody_ can touch it.
>
> Have you checked your external drive doesn’t contain a wifi transmitter?
>
> (No, nor have I, but then again my backup drives don’t see plaintext
> anyway.)

I admit I haven't actually taken the drive apart to inspect it.
But I don't buy prepackaged solutions; I purchase a bare drive
and an enclosure containing a USB-to-SATA adapter, and assemble
them myself.  No "one-touch" button or third-party backup software
which might do God knows what.  In fact, my backup software
consists of something like this:

# mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/backup
# cp -rp /home /mnt/backup
# umount /mnt/backup

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#14019

Fromruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com>
Date2015-03-12 02:51 -0400
Message-ID<mdrd0p$kat$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#13873
On 03/04/2015 09:32 AM, Tim Watts wrote:
>>
> 
> OK - tell me one that works well with Android, Chromebooks with a
> semi-connected internet?


I don't want that and I don't want my systems exposed to the closed down
crap.

why are you cross posting?  Big nonono

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#14022

FromTim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net>
Date2015-03-12 08:21 +0000
Message-ID<htu7tb-vi3.ln1@squidward.dionic.net>
In reply to#14019
On 12/03/15 06:51, ruben safir wrote:
> On 03/04/2015 09:32 AM, Tim Watts wrote:
>>>
>>
>> OK - tell me one that works well with Android, Chromebooks with a
>> semi-connected internet?
>
>
> I don't want that and I don't want my systems exposed to the closed down
> crap.
>
> why are you cross posting?  Big nonono
>

You're the first to complain...

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#14045

FromRuben Safir <mrbrklyn@panix.com>
Date2015-03-12 19:09 +0000
Message-ID<mdso8v$prf$2@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#14022
Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote:
> On 12/03/15 06:51, ruben safir wrote:
>> On 03/04/2015 09:32 AM, Tim Watts wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> OK - tell me one that works well with Android, Chromebooks with a
>>> semi-connected internet?
>>
>>
>> I don't want that and I don't want my systems exposed to the closed down
>> crap.
>>
>> why are you cross posting?  Big nonono
>>
> 
> You're the first to complain...

And if you stop doing it, that would be best.

Ruben

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#13877

FromHarpingOn <postmaster@127.0.0.1>
Date2015-03-04 15:10 +0000
Message-ID<cloliuFj1n3U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#13870
On 04/03/2015 13:14, Tim Watts wrote:
> I have raised this before... And tried some stuff. And I cannot believe
> there is no solution... hence the first part of the subject.
>
>
> The problem: "How do I make an existing linux file server be a private
> cloud file server, targeting other linux, ChromeBooks and Android clients?"
>
>
> There is a LOT of stuff that misses out of critical features - or those
> features need a paid-for version that costs $1700-9000 per year.
>
> I've played with Tonido and OwnCloud so far.
>
> Obvious omissions in the free versions:
>
> a Limited shares (OwnCloud only seems to support 1 exported directory -
> I have lots);
>
> b (Serious) Do not integrate with POSIX users. The idea is the file
> sharing should integrate with linux, not try and take over.
>
>
> I did look at OpenAFS but there's no Android client.
>
>
> SFTP so far offers the simplest solution but I can find no nice clients
> that offer local copies (caching) so it is still somewhat half arsed.
> And i suspect the basic nature of the protocol is it would be hard work
> to make caching multiple client copies work.
>
>
> OK - allowing for the fact that "I could write it myself dammit"
> (actually, no, I don't have that type of coding skill) I'm very
> surprised such a killer app is missing from the opensource stable.
>
> This is the same opensource that brought us *BSD, Linux, perl, python, 2
> super RDBMSs, top rate image editing, rock solid *connected*
> fileservices (NFS, SMB) allowing for the fact the latter had to be
> reverse engineered.
>
> Have all the creative types died?
>

I use Open Media Vault on a HP Microserver.

WebDAV might give you what you want

Chromebooks aren't very friendly to anything that isn't Google Drive, 
although I have used webdav with mine.

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#13880

FromTim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net>
Date2015-03-04 15:19 +0000
Message-ID<6dkjsb-val.ln1@squidward.dionic.net>
In reply to#13877
On 04/03/15 15:10, HarpingOn wrote:

> I use Open Media Vault on a HP Microserver.

That's interesting - I have not come across that. I will spin that up on 
a virtual machine and see who it works - if it does, I can probably 
cherry pick the bit I want and shove it onto my existing Debian server 
(which coincidently runs on an HP Micro Server!).

> WebDAV might give you what you want

May I ask - what client are you using? I tried that once (about a year 
back) but the couple of clients I tried were ropey.

> Chromebooks aren't very friendly to anything that isn't Google Drive,
> although I have used webdav with mine.

That is also very useful - thank you.

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#13884

FromTheo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Date2015-03-04 15:54 +0000
Message-ID<iAD*NQCpv@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
In reply to#13880
In uk.comp.os.linux Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote:
> On 04/03/15 15:10, HarpingOn wrote:
> 
> > I use Open Media Vault on a HP Microserver.
> 
> That's interesting - I have not come across that. I will spin that up on 
> a virtual machine and see who it works - if it does, I can probably 
> cherry pick the bit I want and shove it onto my existing Debian server 
> (which coincidently runs on an HP Micro Server!).

What's interesting about OMV in regards to this discussion?  It looks like
A.N.Other NAS Linux distro.  I can't see anything there that handles offline
files, which is the critical part of the problem.

There is an OpenAFS FUSE client, so that could work for Android, Mac, etc
though it's still experimental (no write support).  And no pretty GUI.

Very interesting thread, BTW - I have exactly the same problems...

Theo

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#13886

FromTim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net>
Date2015-03-04 16:10 +0000
Message-ID<8dnjsb-v2n.ln1@squidward.dionic.net>
In reply to#13884
On 04/03/15 15:54, Theo Markettos wrote:
> In uk.comp.os.linux Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote:
>> On 04/03/15 15:10, HarpingOn wrote:
>>
>>> I use Open Media Vault on a HP Microserver.
>>
>> That's interesting - I have not come across that. I will spin that up on
>> a virtual machine and see who it works - if it does, I can probably
>> cherry pick the bit I want and shove it onto my existing Debian server
>> (which coincidently runs on an HP Micro Server!).
>
> What's interesting about OMV in regards to this discussion?  It looks like
> A.N.Other NAS Linux distro.  I can't see anything there that handles offline
> files, which is the critical part of the problem.

I was assuming they had a tuned WebDav server instance - that might be 
worth ripping off as it's probably only going to be an apache config.

I was hoping that there might be a client that could handle the caching 
- though without certain explicit server support it may not be very 
efficient.

>
> There is an OpenAFS FUSE client, so that could work for Android, Mac, etc
> though it's still experimental (no write support).  And no pretty GUI.
Hmm...


> Very interesting thread, BTW - I have exactly the same problems...

Thank you - I am surprised it's only the two of us though. Perhaps 
others are less picky?

The commercial guys clearly see a LOT of milage in this. However, even 
Tonido came back to me and said their Enterprise FileCloud (that costs 
$$$$) can only handle NTFS user file perms and ownership - POSIX may 
happen in the future.


I have seen this moment before, at least twice:

1) The great MS office desert - if you were on linux/BSD and everyone 
else was throwing Word files around. It was a long time before something 
better than "strings" came along and it was largely thanks to Sun.

2) Email. There was a very dark time in the late 90's/early 00's when we 
had a piss poor IMAP server (WU-IMAPd) and very ropey client support.

Then Thunderbird got its act together and Timo knocked out dovecot and 
all because sane again.

SMTP was less of a problem even before Philip Hazel as sendmail works, 
even though it had a config from hell.


It does seem like many of the great solutions are down to one person, 
Linus, Timo, Philip. It can take a while for the momentum to roll.

In some cases, a great project simply sits at risk of dying. case in 
point: MoSH - https://mosh.mit.edu/ - I use it all the time - it is 
fantastic when you have a tethered internet connection with the IP 
changing all the time. However, it has not gained much traction and even 
though adding new features like tunnels has been mooted, noone wants to 
do it and I expect the original guys are off doing other interesting stuff.

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#13925

FromDaniel James <daniel@me.invalid>
Date2015-03-05 11:20 +0000
Message-ID<VA.00000a06.08827abe@me.invalid>
In reply to#13886
In article <8dnjsb-v2n.ln1@squidward.dionic.net>, Tim Watts wrote:
>> Very interesting thread, BTW - I have exactly the same problems...
> 
> Thank you - I am surprised it's only the two of us though. Perhaps 
> others are less picky?

No, no, I'm interested in the same thing. Just a bit less vociferous in 
my disappointment at not finding anything ready-made.

It's not -- I hasten to add -- that I feel any entitlement to a 
ready-made Open Source solution to the problem ... just that there is 
so much goos OS software out there that frankly I'm surprised NOT to 
find one.

Maybe all the good developers with an interest in this sort of thing 
already work for Google ...
-- 
Cheers,
 Daniel.

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#13932

FromTim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net>
Date2015-03-05 12:29 +0000
Message-ID<4rulsb-kig.ln1@squidward.dionic.net>
In reply to#13925
On 05/03/15 11:20, Daniel James wrote:

> Maybe all the good developers with an interest in this sort of thing
> already work for Google ...

Aye - could be.

I'd work for Google if they let me :) (I tried) Yiu should see their 
London office!

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#13905

FromTim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net>
Date2015-03-04 18:56 +0000
Message-ID<j41ksb-5ms.ln1@squidward.dionic.net>
In reply to#13870
On 04/03/15 13:14, Tim Watts wrote:
> I have raised this before... And tried some stuff. And I cannot believe
> there is no solution... hence the first part of the subject.

OK - much interesting discussion.

But I am trying to throw this to Ask Slashdot as I think it has merit.

anyone who feels so interested or inclined, please upvote my submission:

http://rpx.me/3DL7l

Ta :)

Tim

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#13915

FromMartin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid>
Date2015-03-05 00:33 +0000
Message-ID<md889f$ibt$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13870
On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 13:14:56 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:

> SFTP so far offers the simplest solution but I can find no nice clients
> that offer local copies (caching) so it is still somewhat half arsed.
> And i suspect the basic nature of the protocol is it would be hard work
> to make caching multiple client copies work.
>
No caching, but the well-known gftp FTP client also supports SFTP. IME it 
gives a seamless, trouble-free experience with either protocol.


-- 
martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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#13944

From7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com>
Date2015-03-05 22:46 +0000
Message-ID<s15Kw.103163$iL.87746@fx15.am4>
In reply to#13870
Tim Watts wrote:

> I have raised this before... And tried some stuff. And I cannot believe
> there is no solution... hence the first part of the subject.
> 
> 
> The problem: "How do I make an existing linux file server be a private
> cloud file server, targeting other linux, ChromeBooks and Android
> clients?"
> 
> 
> There is a LOT of stuff that misses out of critical features - or those
> features need a paid-for version that costs $1700-9000 per year.
> 
> I've played with Tonido and OwnCloud so far.
> 
> Obvious omissions in the free versions:
> 
> a Limited shares (OwnCloud only seems to support 1 exported directory -
> I have lots);
> 
> b (Serious) Do not integrate with POSIX users. The idea is the file
> sharing should integrate with linux, not try and take over.
> 
> 
> I did look at OpenAFS but there's no Android client.
> 
> 
> SFTP so far offers the simplest solution but I can find no nice clients
> that offer local copies (caching) so it is still somewhat half arsed.
> And i suspect the basic nature of the protocol is it would be hard work
> to make caching multiple client copies work.

Run rsync in a cron job?
> 
> 
> OK - allowing for the fact that "I could write it myself dammit"
> (actually, no, I don't have that type of coding skill) I'm very
> surprised such a killer app is missing from the opensource stable.

Use puppet - it does all that and more.

I copped out and did my own using gambas.
It took me about 3 days to write scripts that do
do file copying automatically across continents with ssh,
email log files with sendemail, etc etc etc.



> This is the same opensource that brought us *BSD, Linux, perl, python, 2
> super RDBMSs, top rate image editing, rock solid *connected*
> fileservices (NFS, SMB) allowing for the fact the latter had to be
> reverse engineered.
> 
> Have all the creative types died?

Nothing ever dies in open source, and if it does, there is usually
a patch for it available in 24 hours.
What is happening is that all commonly requested wants have been satisfied 
and thus topics go quiet. So you need to get out and ask.

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#13958

FromTim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net>
Date2015-03-06 08:07 +0000
Message-ID<rr3osb-v1d.ln1@squidward.dionic.net>
In reply to#13944
On 05/03/15 22:46, 7 wrote:

> Use puppet - it does all that and more.
>
> I copped out and did my own using gambas.
> It took me about 3 days to write scripts that do
> do file copying automatically across continents with ssh,
> email log files with sendemail, etc etc etc.

I'm afraid this doesn't fit what I'm after - which is a proper network 
filesystem that is suited to android and chromebook clients :(

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#14063

From7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com>
Date2015-03-14 11:56 +0000
Message-ID<4mVMw.1153453$rs3.1149704@fx05.am4>
In reply to#13958
Tim Watts wrote:

> On 05/03/15 22:46, 7 wrote:
> 
>> Use puppet - it does all that and more.
>>
>> I copped out and did my own using gambas.
>> It took me about 3 days to write scripts that do
>> do file copying automatically across continents with ssh,
>> email log files with sendemail, etc etc etc.
> 
> I'm afraid this doesn't fit what I'm after - which is a proper network
> filesystem that is suited to android and chromebook clients :(


Ok - picture this.

I got ssh server running on SSD
which consumes less power.

From any Linux computer from anywhere in the world,
I can run Ubuntu and in nautilus set a book mark to open
it as if it were a local storage.
I then copy paste as needed.

Linux also has rsync which is better than file copy
because it avoids duplicate file transfer and can compress
files on low bandwidth links.

Also it can be set up with cron jobs to do sync operations
frequently if needed.

Or do it more cleverly if you wrote a script
that checked first for changes to the file system
and did an rsync when there is a need
(which is what the gambas script does).


I think what you are saying is you want to be able
to do the same from Android and Chrome books?

Then that problem is down to writing applications that can do that
surely? Windows can use winscp to transfer files in a similar
way to nautilus. I'm sure android must have.
And so too chrome books.
And I believe they both also have rsync.
Again its all to do with writing applications (which probably
exist any way). 

So, in the open source world, the cloud storage solution already exists in 
the form of ssh server which you can set up at home.

The next thing are the applications needed to access it
for the various clients that need the access all of which
exist in some form or another.

The last part of the problem is clever applications that only do necessary
and minimal transfers - which is probably the bit
'cloud server solution providers' do differently and better
to differentiate themselves.

The solution with ssh servers is better than dropbox
because the server is not entrusted to third parties.

Dropbox in the USA can be served with secret gagging orders and the data 
stolen by NSA trolls which has so far resulted in two thirds
of USA vendors of IT kit being de-listed from governments
around the world - all thanks to NSA trolls.

The system of legalised secret gagging orders and
secret data theft by unsupervised trolls in government means
public cloud storage is not viable for any kind
of sensitive data such as employee records
to commercial engineering informaton. Cloud storage
is good for marketing and web content that is
intended to be seen.

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#14065

FromTim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net>
Date2015-03-14 14:47 +0000
Message-ID<c8udtb-anl.ln1@squidward.dionic.net>
In reply to#14063
On 14/03/15 11:56, 7 wrote:

> I think what you are saying is you want to be able
> to do the same from Android and Chrome books?

No - I'm not.

My idea is a "disconnected aware" network protocol and client combo.

I cannot rsync all my stuff to every device because the clients don't 
have 3TB of storage.

An ssh server is *adeqate* but not great. It does allow me to access any 
file securely on demand.

However, I've not found any clients (yet) for Android that let me choose 
to cache offline copies of selected files or directories nicely.

Also the SFTP clients don't really integrate with Android.

This scenario:

"I'm going to see Joe and he wants to look at the pics of Prague I took 
last month. And there's no Internet down the pub where will will meet 
for beer."

1) Google Drive: I can mark a whole bunch of stuff for offline access - 
let it sync and off I go.

2) With SFTP I'd have to manually copy that over to the phone's storage 
and any updates on the server would not get replicated.




So Google Drive does it right (TM) but with all the problems that it's 
not secure (against the NSA/GCHQ etc) and Google could bugger me up. I 
know this -

So basically, SFTP is "just about good enough" but it's no where near 
"great".

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#14070

From"john james" <jj9801@nospam.com>
Date2015-03-15 05:40 +1100
Message-ID<cmjdmfFhdb5U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#14065

"Tim Watts" <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote in message 
news:c8udtb-anl.ln1@squidward.dionic.net...
> On 14/03/15 11:56, 7 wrote:
>
>> I think what you are saying is you want to be able
>> to do the same from Android and Chrome books?
>
> No - I'm not.
>
> My idea is a "disconnected aware" network protocol and client combo.
>
> I cannot rsync all my stuff to every device because the clients don't have 
> 3TB of storage.
>
> An ssh server is *adeqate* but not great. It does allow me to access any 
> file securely on demand.
>
> However, I've not found any clients (yet) for Android that let me choose 
> to cache offline copies of selected files or directories nicely.
>
> Also the SFTP clients don't really integrate with Android.
>
> This scenario:
>
> "I'm going to see Joe and he wants to look at the pics of Prague I took 
> last month. And there's no Internet down the pub where will will meet for 
> beer."
>
> 1) Google Drive: I can mark a whole bunch of stuff for offline access - 
> let it sync and off I go.
>
> 2) With SFTP I'd have to manually copy that over to the phone's storage 
> and any updates on the server would not get replicated.
>
>
>
>
> So Google Drive does it right (TM) but with all the problems that it's not 
> secure (against the NSA/GCHQ etc)

It's easy enough to add that by encrypting it before Google sees it.

and Google could bugger me up. I
> know this -
>
> So basically, SFTP is "just about good enough" but it's no where near 
> "great".
>

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