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  Devuan Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-12-29 17:13 +0000
    Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-12-29 18:32 +0100
      Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2014-12-30 05:23 +1100
      Re: Devuan Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-12-29 13:55 -0500
      Re: Devuan Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2014-12-29 19:28 +0000
        Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2014-12-30 07:25 +1100
          Re: Devuan "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2014-12-29 13:42 -0800
            Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2014-12-30 09:32 +1100
              Re: Devuan Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2014-12-29 14:57 -0800
                Re: Devuan "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2014-12-30 16:37 -0800
                  Re: Devuan Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2014-12-30 18:23 -0800
                  Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2014-12-31 17:57 +0000
                    Re: Devuan Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-12-31 19:07 +0000
                      Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-01 08:25 +1100
                      Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 10:56 +0100
                        Re: Devuan Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-01-01 05:02 -0800
                          Re: Devuan John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-01-01 08:49 -0600
                            Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 16:43 +0100
                            Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-01 16:12 +0000
                              Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 18:23 +0100
                                Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-01 18:11 +0000
                                  Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 22:05 +0100
                              Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-02 06:09 +1100
                            Re: Devuan Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-01-02 20:04 +0000
                              Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-02 20:14 +0000
                                Re: Devuan Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-01-02 12:30 -0800
                                  Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-02 21:31 +0000
                                    Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-01-03 08:03 +0100
                              Re: Devuan Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-01-02 15:35 -0500
                              Re: Devuan John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-01-02 14:37 -0600
                          Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 16:42 +0100
                    Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-12-31 16:30 -0500
                      Re: Devuan Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-12-31 23:51 +0000
                        Re: Devuan Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-12-31 23:55 +0000
                          Re: Devuan Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2014-12-31 16:49 -0800
                            Re: Devuan The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-01 01:50 +0000
                              Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-12-31 22:03 -0500
                                Re: Devuan The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-01 08:46 +0000
                                  Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-01 10:15 -0500
                                    Re: Devuan The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-01 16:01 +0000
                                    Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-01 16:40 +0000
                                      Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-01 17:00 +0000
                                        Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-01 17:08 +0000
                                          Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-01 17:35 +0000
                                      Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-01 12:09 -0500
                                        Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-01 17:22 +0000
                                          Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-01 13:17 -0500
                                      Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-02 06:14 +1100
                                        Re: Devuan Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2015-01-03 05:27 +0000
                                          Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-01-03 08:10 +0100
                                            Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-03 09:16 +0000
                                              Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-01-03 10:37 +0100
                                    Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-02 06:11 +1100
                                Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-01 15:23 +0000
                                  Re: Devuan Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2015-01-03 05:29 +0000
                                    Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-03 09:14 +0000
                  Re: Devuan Stephen Chadfield <stephen@chadfield.com> - 2015-01-05 02:33 +0000
                  Re: Devuan "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2015-02-09 16:57 -0500
              Re: Devuan "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-03-08 09:08 -0400
        Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-12-30 09:13 +0100

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#13117 — Devuan

Finally:

http://debianfork.org

Death to systemd, may it burn in the depths of cvs!



-- 
Mladen Gogala
The Oracle Whisperer
http://mgogala.byethost5.com

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#13118

On Monday 29 December 2014 18:13, Mladen Gogala conveyed the following 
to comp.os.linux.misc...

> Finally:
> 
> http://debianfork.org
> 
> Death to systemd, may it burn in the depths of cvs!

I'm pretty sure HatRed is going to keep it alive, though. :grin:

-- 
= Aragorn =

         http://www.linuxcounter.net - registrant #223157

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#13119

On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:32:55 +0100, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:

>On Monday 29 December 2014 18:13, Mladen Gogala conveyed the following 
>to comp.os.linux.misc...
>
>> Finally:
>> 
>> http://debianfork.org
>> 
>> Death to systemd, may it burn in the depths of cvs!
>
>I'm pretty sure HatRed is going to keep it alive, though. :grin:

Yeah, but, do I care?  I'm happy with Slackware ;o)

Grant.

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#13120

On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Aragorn wrote:

> On Monday 29 December 2014 18:13, Mladen Gogala conveyed the following
> to comp.os.linux.misc...
>
>> Finally:
>>
>> http://debianfork.org
>>
>> Death to systemd, may it burn in the depths of cvs!
>
> I'm pretty sure HatRed is going to keep it alive, though. :grin:
>
I thought they didn't really want to be associated with Linux anyway.

I guess Ubuntu has made the most effort in that direction, but I remember
reading a book a decade ago (and it was older then) about Red Hat, and it
seemed even then they wanted to portray themselves differently.  "Open 
SOurce" and "hobby" might alienate the commercial customers, and that was 
where the money was.

   Michael

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#13121

On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:32:55 +0100, Aragorn wrote:

> On Monday 29 December 2014 18:13, Mladen Gogala conveyed the following
> to comp.os.linux.misc...
> 
>> Finally:
>> 
>> http://debianfork.org
>> 
>> Death to systemd, may it burn in the depths of cvs!
> 
> I'm pretty sure HatRed is going to keep it alive, though. :grin:

	Is it official then that Red Hat is evil and despicable? I 
haven't liked them myself for a decade or so, but I still thought they 
might not be utterly evil. The systemd fracas though has put them, in my 
books, only slightly above Microsoft.

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#13122

On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:28:32 +0000 (UTC), Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:32:55 +0100, Aragorn wrote:
>
>> On Monday 29 December 2014 18:13, Mladen Gogala conveyed the following
>> to comp.os.linux.misc...
>> 
>>> Finally:
>>> 
>>> http://debianfork.org
>>> 
>>> Death to systemd, may it burn in the depths of cvs!
>> 
>> I'm pretty sure HatRed is going to keep it alive, though. :grin:
>
>	Is it official then that Red Hat is evil and despicable? I 
>haven't liked them myself for a decade or so, but I still thought they 
>might not be utterly evil. The systemd fracas though has put them, in my 
>books, only slightly above Microsoft.

Too right.  I left redhat when they stuffed 6.2 and failed to improve.

Becoming a fedora redhat beta tester was not appealing.

Grant.

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#13125

"Grant" <omg@grrr.id.au> wrote in message 
news:14e3aadmjhov6stqo7s6fr0t48baf0k3ep@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:28:32 +0000 (UTC), Jens Stuckelberger 
> <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:32:55 +0100, Aragorn wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday 29 December 2014 18:13, Mladen Gogala conveyed the following
>>> to comp.os.linux.misc...
>>>
>>>> Finally:
>>>>
>>>> http://debianfork.org
>>>>
>>>> Death to systemd, may it burn in the depths of cvs!
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure HatRed is going to keep it alive, though. :grin:
>>
>> Is it official then that Red Hat is evil and despicable? I
>>haven't liked them myself for a decade or so, but I still thought they
>>might not be utterly evil. The systemd fracas though has put them, in my
>>books, only slightly above Microsoft.
>
> Too right.  I left redhat when they stuffed 6.2 and failed to improve.
>
> Becoming a fedora redhat beta tester was not appealing.
>
> Grant.

Unfortunately that seems to be what is happening (some linii are becoming 
more like  Microsoft)  I think systemd has too much control - could lead to 
easy hacking if someone took control of it from outside, too many eggs in 
one basket 

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#13127

On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:42:43 -0800, "John F" <j@j.ii> wrote:

>
>"Grant" <omg@grrr.id.au> wrote in message 
>news:14e3aadmjhov6stqo7s6fr0t48baf0k3ep@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:28:32 +0000 (UTC), Jens Stuckelberger 
>> <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:32:55 +0100, Aragorn wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday 29 December 2014 18:13, Mladen Gogala conveyed the following
>>>> to comp.os.linux.misc...
>>>>
>>>>> Finally:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://debianfork.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Death to systemd, may it burn in the depths of cvs!
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure HatRed is going to keep it alive, though. :grin:
>>>
>>> Is it official then that Red Hat is evil and despicable? I
>>>haven't liked them myself for a decade or so, but I still thought they
>>>might not be utterly evil. The systemd fracas though has put them, in my
>>>books, only slightly above Microsoft.
>>
>> Too right.  I left redhat when they stuffed 6.2 and failed to improve.
>>
>> Becoming a fedora redhat beta tester was not appealing.
>>
>> Grant.
>
>Unfortunately that seems to be what is happening (some linii are becoming 
>more like  Microsoft)  I think systemd has too much control - could lead to 
>easy hacking if someone took control of it from outside, too many eggs in 
>one basket 
>
Yep.  Back in mid-2004 when I got ADSL switched on, I refused to 
let Microsoft have 24/7 access directly to the 'net.  

Prior to ADSL I was using dialup, though mostly to my uni's server 
as I had free access.

So I surveyed several Linux distros, chose slackware because it 
felt closest to the unix I met at uni.  A friend was on Slackware 
at the time, but he moved onto SuSE.

I like that people can choose a flavour of GNU/Linux to suit their 
own ideas of using a computer.

I really dislike this new (last decade?) notion of people looking 
for a free windows replacement.  

I like windows, I write this on windows, but right now I have 
eight PuTTY terminals open the three Slackware boxen. 

This systemd stuff doesn't suit me.  As you say, too much a huge 
point of failure.

I thought the same when Microsoft introduced the registry, was 
hoping they'd fix windows and take out the registry in favour of 
unix-like text configuration files.

Even with config file we have this complexity of xml, I can't 
help think that key-value pairs are all that is required, people 
forgot their relational algebra and data normalisation?

Grant.

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#13128

On 12/29/2014 02:32 PM, Grant wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:42:43 -0800, "John F" <j@j.ii> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Grant" <omg@grrr.id.au> wrote in message
>> news:14e3aadmjhov6stqo7s6fr0t48baf0k3ep@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:28:32 +0000 (UTC), Jens Stuckelberger
>>> <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:32:55 +0100, Aragorn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday 29 December 2014 18:13, Mladen Gogala conveyed the following
>>>>> to comp.os.linux.misc...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://debianfork.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Death to systemd, may it burn in the depths of cvs!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm pretty sure HatRed is going to keep it alive, though. :grin:
>>>>
>>>> Is it official then that Red Hat is evil and despicable? I
>>>> haven't liked them myself for a decade or so, but I still thought they
>>>> might not be utterly evil. The systemd fracas though has put them, in my
>>>> books, only slightly above Microsoft.
>>>
>>> Too right.  I left redhat when they stuffed 6.2 and failed to improve.
>>>
>>> Becoming a fedora redhat beta tester was not appealing.
>>>
>>> Grant.
>>
>> Unfortunately that seems to be what is happening (some linii are becoming
>> more like  Microsoft)  I think systemd has too much control - could lead to
>> easy hacking if someone took control of it from outside, too many eggs in
>> one basket
>>
> Yep.  Back in mid-2004 when I got ADSL switched on, I refused to
> let Microsoft have 24/7 access directly to the 'net.
>
> Prior to ADSL I was using dialup, though mostly to my uni's server
> as I had free access.
>
> So I surveyed several Linux distros, chose slackware because it
> felt closest to the unix I met at uni.  A friend was on Slackware
> at the time, but he moved onto SuSE.
>
> I like that people can choose a flavour of GNU/Linux to suit their
> own ideas of using a computer.
>
> I really dislike this new (last decade?) notion of people looking
> for a free windows replacement.
>
> I like windows, I write this on windows, but right now I have
> eight PuTTY terminals open the three Slackware boxen.
>
> This systemd stuff doesn't suit me.  As you say, too much a huge
> point of failure.
>
> I thought the same when Microsoft introduced the registry, was
> hoping they'd fix windows and take out the registry in favour of
> unix-like text configuration files.
>
> Even with config file we have this complexity of xml, I can't
> help think that key-value pairs are all that is required, people
> forgot their relational algebra and data normalisation?
>
> Grant.
>
	If you don't care for systemd then why not a free Unix
variant but several Linux distros are avoiding systemd and right off the
top of my head I think of PCLOS.  You can check on Distrowatch
for others and for those free Unix distributions.  Devuan is
too obvious to mention and it does not yet have a distribution
release.
	Some people forget those items and others have never
learned of them in the first place.

	bliss
	

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#13136

"Bobbie Sellers" <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote in message 
news:m7sm8p$3mu$1@dont-email.me...
> On 12/29/2014 02:32 PM, Grant wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:42:43 -0800, "John F" <j@j.ii> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Grant" <omg@grrr.id.au> wrote in message
>>> news:14e3aadmjhov6stqo7s6fr0t48baf0k3ep@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:28:32 +0000 (UTC), Jens Stuckelberger
>>>> <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:32:55 +0100, Aragorn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday 29 December 2014 18:13, Mladen Gogala conveyed the 
>>>>>> following
>>>>>> to comp.os.linux.misc...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Finally:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://debianfork.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Death to systemd, may it burn in the depths of cvs!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure HatRed is going to keep it alive, though. :grin:
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it official then that Red Hat is evil and despicable? I
>>>>> haven't liked them myself for a decade or so, but I still thought they
>>>>> might not be utterly evil. The systemd fracas though has put them, in 
>>>>> my
>>>>> books, only slightly above Microsoft.
>>>>
>>>> Too right.  I left redhat when they stuffed 6.2 and failed to improve.
>>>>
>>>> Becoming a fedora redhat beta tester was not appealing.
>>>>
>>>> Grant.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately that seems to be what is happening (some linii are 
>>> becoming
>>> more like  Microsoft)  I think systemd has too much control - could lead 
>>> to
>>> easy hacking if someone took control of it from outside, too many eggs 
>>> in
>>> one basket
>>>
>> Yep.  Back in mid-2004 when I got ADSL switched on, I refused to
>> let Microsoft have 24/7 access directly to the 'net.
>>
>> Prior to ADSL I was using dialup, though mostly to my uni's server
>> as I had free access.
>>
>> So I surveyed several Linux distros, chose slackware because it
>> felt closest to the unix I met at uni.  A friend was on Slackware
>> at the time, but he moved onto SuSE.
>>
>> I like that people can choose a flavour of GNU/Linux to suit their
>> own ideas of using a computer.
>>
>> I really dislike this new (last decade?) notion of people looking
>> for a free windows replacement.
>>
>> I like windows, I write this on windows, but right now I have
>> eight PuTTY terminals open the three Slackware boxen.
>>
>> This systemd stuff doesn't suit me.  As you say, too much a huge
>> point of failure.
>>
>> I thought the same when Microsoft introduced the registry, was
>> hoping they'd fix windows and take out the registry in favour of
>> unix-like text configuration files.
>>
>> Even with config file we have this complexity of xml, I can't
>> help think that key-value pairs are all that is required, people
>> forgot their relational algebra and data normalisation?
>>
>> Grant.
>>
> If you don't care for systemd then why not a free Unix
> variant but several Linux distros are avoiding systemd and right off the
> top of my head I think of PCLOS.  You can check on Distrowatch
> for others and for those free Unix distributions.  Devuan is
> too obvious to mention and it does not yet have a distribution
> release.
> Some people forget those items and others have never
> learned of them in the first place.
>
> bliss
>
>

And that, my friend, is going to be the big problem! New users will not have 
the opportunity to learn about config files and the way linux works; and how 
different it is from MessWindows - with systemd it seems to be heading that 
way. Almost like a registry, except in binary executable format. Where are 
the config files for it? there must be some! 

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#13138

On 12/30/2014 04:37 PM, John F wrote:
> "Bobbie Sellers" <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> news:m7sm8p$3mu$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 12/29/2014 02:32 PM, Grant wrote:
>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:42:43 -0800, "John F" <j@j.ii> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Grant" <omg@grrr.id.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:14e3aadmjhov6stqo7s6fr0t48baf0k3ep@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:28:32 +0000 (UTC), Jens Stuckelberger
>>>>> <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:32:55 +0100, Aragorn wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday 29 December 2014 18:13, Mladen Gogala conveyed the
>>>>>>> following
>>>>>>> to comp.os.linux.misc...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Finally:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://debianfork.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Death to systemd, may it burn in the depths of cvs!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure HatRed is going to keep it alive, though. :grin:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it official then that Red Hat is evil and despicable? I
>>>>>> haven't liked them myself for a decade or so, but I still thought they
>>>>>> might not be utterly evil. The systemd fracas though has put them, in
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> books, only slightly above Microsoft.
>>>>>
>>>>> Too right.  I left redhat when they stuffed 6.2 and failed to improve.
>>>>>
>>>>> Becoming a fedora redhat beta tester was not appealing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Grant.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately that seems to be what is happening (some linii are
>>>> becoming
>>>> more like  Microsoft)  I think systemd has too much control - could lead
>>>> to
>>>> easy hacking if someone took control of it from outside, too many eggs
>>>> in
>>>> one basket
>>>>
>>> Yep.  Back in mid-2004 when I got ADSL switched on, I refused to
>>> let Microsoft have 24/7 access directly to the 'net.
>>>
>>> Prior to ADSL I was using dialup, though mostly to my uni's server
>>> as I had free access.
>>>
>>> So I surveyed several Linux distros, chose slackware because it
>>> felt closest to the unix I met at uni.  A friend was on Slackware
>>> at the time, but he moved onto SuSE.
>>>
>>> I like that people can choose a flavour of GNU/Linux to suit their
>>> own ideas of using a computer.
>>>
>>> I really dislike this new (last decade?) notion of people looking
>>> for a free windows replacement.
>>>
>>> I like windows, I write this on windows, but right now I have
>>> eight PuTTY terminals open the three Slackware boxen.
>>>
>>> This systemd stuff doesn't suit me.  As you say, too much a huge
>>> point of failure.
>>>
>>> I thought the same when Microsoft introduced the registry, was
>>> hoping they'd fix windows and take out the registry in favour of
>>> unix-like text configuration files.
>>>
>>> Even with config file we have this complexity of xml, I can't
>>> help think that key-value pairs are all that is required, people
>>> forgot their relational algebra and data normalisation?
>>>
>>> Grant.
>>>
>> If you don't care for systemd then why not a free Unix
>> variant but several Linux distros are avoiding systemd and right off the
>> top of my head I think of PCLOS.  You can check on Distrowatch
>> for others and for those free Unix distributions.  Devuan is
>> too obvious to mention and it does not yet have a distribution
>> release.
>> Some people forget those items and others have never
>> learned of them in the first place.
>>
>> bliss
>>
>>
>
> And that, my friend, is going to be the big problem! New users will not have
> the opportunity to learn about config files and the way linux works; and how
> different it is from MessWindows - with systemd it seems to be heading that
> way. Almost like a registry, except in binary executable format. Where are
> the config files for it? there must be some!
>
>


quoting from the web page at (found by searching on your requirement 
"Linux systemd configuration files")

<https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/systemd>

about 1/3 of the way down the page.


Editing provided unit files

To edit a unit file provided by a package, you can create a directory 
called /etc/systemd/system/unit.d/ for example 
/etc/systemd/system/httpd.service.d/ and place *.conf files in there to 
override or add new options. systemd will parse these *.conf files and 
apply them on top of the original unit. For example, if you simply want 
to add an additional dependency to a unit, you may create the following 
file:

/etc/systemd/system/unit.d/customdependency.conf

[Unit]
Requires=new dependency
After=new dependency

As another example, in order to replace the ExecStart directive for a 
unit that is not of type oneshot, create the following file:

/etc/systemd/system/unit.d/customexec.conf



	I hope this is of assistance in resolving your problem.
As for myself I just hope the developers produce programs that will
work with either the older init system or the newer ones that may
come along.

	bliss

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#13140

On 2014-12-31, John F <j@j.ii> wrote:

> Where are the config files for it? there must be some!

Ah!  A linux user who is not familiar with Slackware.  Give it a try.
All the config files you could ever desire and nary a sign of systemd
in sight.  ;)

http://www.slackware.com/

nb

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#13141

notbob <notbob@nothome.com> wrote:
> On 2014-12-31, John F <j@j.ii> wrote:

> > Where are the config files for it? there must be some!

> Ah!  A linux user who is not familiar with Slackware.  Give it a try.
> All the config files you could ever desire and nary a sign of systemd
> in sight.  ;)

> http://www.slackware.com/

Quote from the 'net:

  "There is a saying in the Linux community that if you learn Red Hat
   you'll know Red Hat, but if you learn Slackware, you'll know Linux."
   (http://www.cybercon.com/slackware-linux)

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#13142

On Wed, 31 Dec 2014 19:07:17 +0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

>notbob <notbob@nothome.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-12-31, John F <j@j.ii> wrote:
>
>> > Where are the config files for it? there must be some!
>
>> Ah!  A linux user who is not familiar with Slackware.  Give it a try.
>> All the config files you could ever desire and nary a sign of systemd
>> in sight.  ;)
>
>> http://www.slackware.com/
>
>Quote from the 'net:
>
>  "There is a saying in the Linux community that if you learn Red Hat
>   you'll know Red Hat, but if you learn Slackware, you'll know Linux."
>   (http://www.cybercon.com/slackware-linux)

This is so true. I met unix at uni in '97, asked how could I run this 
type of OS at home?  They told me to get Linux, I bought a six CD set 
that had Redhat, Debian and Slackware-3.2.  

I didn't have boxes of floppies so I installed the Redhat, switched 
to Slackware in 2004 when I surveyed what was available to replace 
Redhat, because I needed a trustworthy and reliable OS for 24/7 
operation.

A decade later I'm still with Slackware, it just works (except when 
it doesn't).  Plaintext config and init scripts, grep is one's friend 
whenever there's a problem an a new system.

Unlike Redhat's desire to complicate the issues with opaque binaries 
for easily scripted functions.

Grant.

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#13155

Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>  "There is a saying in the Linux community that if you learn Red Hat
>   you'll know Red Hat, but if you learn Slackware, you'll know Linux."
>   (http://www.cybercon.com/slackware-linux)

This was never true and is just proof that many people don't
understand the difference between kernel and userland.

Greetings
Marc
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#13156

On 2015-01-01, Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>  "There is a saying in the Linux community that if you learn Red Hat
>>   you'll know Red Hat, but if you learn Slackware, you'll know Linux."
>>   (http://www.cybercon.com/slackware-linux)
>
> This was never true and is just proof that many people don't
> understand the difference between kernel and userland.

I doubt that this saying was ever meant to be taken quite so literally,
especially given the context in which it's used--the next sentence on
that page contrasts Slackware to other linux distros, the context the
saying was most likely applied.  If you want to be literal, then you can
think of the saying as "...if you learn Slackware, you'll know most
linux distros."  That doesn't sound quite so pithy though.

--keith

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#13157

Keith Keller writes:
> If you want to be literal, then you can think of the saying as "...if
> you learn Slackware, you'll know most linux distros."

If you want to be accurate, you can think of the saying as "If you
learn Slackware, you'll insist on doing everything the Slackware way
even when using other distributions.  And you'll bitch about it."
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

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#13161

John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote:
>Keith Keller writes:
>> If you want to be literal, then you can think of the saying as "...if
>> you learn Slackware, you'll know most linux distros."
>
>If you want to be accurate, you can think of the saying as "If you
>learn Slackware, you'll insist on doing everything the Slackware way
>even when using other distributions.  And you'll bitch about it."

Amen.

Greetings
Marc
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Mannheim, Germany  |     Beginning of Wisdom "     | http://www.zugschlus.de/
Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 621 72739834

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#13163

On 2015-01-01, John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote:

> If you want to be accurate, you can think of the saying as "If you
> learn Slackware, you'll insist on doing everything the Slackware way
> even when using other distributions.  And you'll bitch about it."

LOL!

....and this is a bad thing, how?  ;)

nb

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#13169

notbob <notbob@nothome.com> wrote:
>On 2015-01-01, John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> If you want to be accurate, you can think of the saying as "If you
>> learn Slackware, you'll insist on doing everything the Slackware way
>> even when using other distributions.  And you'll bitch about it."
>
>LOL!
>
>....and this is a bad thing, how?  ;)

It makes things harder for people knowing those other distributions.
It's the same thing that happens when a veteran Debian Jockey and an
old FreeBSD guy suddenly find themselves co-administrating a CentOS
system.

Greetings
Marc
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Marc Haber         |   " Questions are the         | Mailadresse im Header
Mannheim, Germany  |     Beginning of Wisdom "     | http://www.zugschlus.de/
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