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  Gui remote access. "john@wexfordpress.com" <john@wexfordpress.com> - 2014-10-26 13:35 -0700
    Re: Gui remote access. Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-10-26 20:54 +0000
      Re: Gui remote access. Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2014-10-26 16:37 -0500
        Re: Gui remote access. Andreas Kohlbach <oct14.5.ankman@spamgourmet.com> - 2014-10-26 17:58 -0400
          Re: Gui remote access. Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2014-10-26 22:35 -0500
            Re: Gui remote access. Andreas Kohlbach <oct14.5.ankman@spamgourmet.com> - 2014-10-27 17:13 -0400
    Re: Gui remote access. Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2014-10-26 23:13 +0200
    Re: Gui remote access. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2014-10-26 21:56 +0000
    Re: Gui remote access. Bob Tennent <BobT@cs.queensu.ca> - 2014-10-27 02:56 +0000
    Re: Gui remote access. ray carter <ray@zianet.com> - 2014-10-27 14:35 +0000
      Re: Gui remote access. Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2014-10-27 10:45 -0500
        Re: Gui remote access. Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2014-10-28 13:48 +0000
          Re: Gui remote access. Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2014-10-28 10:59 -0500
    Re: Gui remote access. Stephen Chadfield <stephen@chadfield.com> - 2014-11-18 08:50 +0000

#12498 — Gui remote access.

I have two computers on my local network. I want to sign on machine A, hardwired to my router and running slackware 14.1, from machine B, a laptop with a wireless connection and running hard drive knoppix. I am asking for a connection similar to that using MSWin and VNC, but open source.

Any suggestions?

John Culleton

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#12499

On 26/10/14 20:35, john@wexfordpress.com wrote:
> I have two computers on my local network. I want to sign on machine A, hardwired to my router and running slackware 14.1, from machine B, a laptop with a wireless connection and running hard drive knoppix. I am asking for a connection similar to that using MSWin and VNC, but open source.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> John Culleton
>


ssh with X11 forwarding?

ssh to the remote machine and launch gui programs with the display on 
your machine - it's the "X" way :)

Or Remote X session is another way.

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#12502

At Sun, 26 Oct 2014 20:54:57 +0000 Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote:

> 
> On 26/10/14 20:35, john@wexfordpress.com wrote:
> > I have two computers on my local network. I want to sign on machine A, hardwired to my router and running slackware 14.1, from machine B, a laptop with a wireless connection and running hard drive knoppix. I am asking for a connection similar to that using MSWin and VNC, but open source.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > John Culleton
> >
> 
> 
> ssh with X11 forwarding?

+1

> 
> ssh to the remote machine and launch gui programs with the display on 
> your machine - it's the "X" way :)

It might be necessary to enable X11 forwarding -- check /etc/ssh/ssh_config 
and (more importantly) /etc/ssh/sshd_config.  (/etc/ssh/ssh_config can be 
overridden with the -X and -Y options.)

> 
> Or Remote X session is another way.
>                                                                      
> 

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Deepwoods Software        -- Custom Software Services
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#12505

Robert Heller wrote on 26. October 2014:
>
> At Sun, 26 Oct 2014 20:54:57 +0000 Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote:
>
>> 
>> On 26/10/14 20:35, john@wexfordpress.com wrote:
>> > I have two computers on my local network. I want to sign on machine
>> > A, hardwired to my router and running slackware 14.1, from machine
>> > B, a laptop with a wireless connection and running hard drive
>> > knoppix. I am asking for a connection similar to that using MSWin
>> > and VNC, but open source.
>> >
>> > Any suggestions?

VNC uses the Remote Frame Buffer protocol. And there are open source
programs for Linux. Like vncviewer and also a server part.

>> ssh with X11 forwarding?
>
> +1

But that only allows one program to start. Although this one program can
be "gnome-session" for example. So you get an almost complete Gnome
desktop on your remote machine.

Still it might be the fastest method available.
-- 
Andreas

I wish my grass was emo. Then it would cut itself.

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#12509

At Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:58:39 -0400 Andreas Kohlbach <oct14.5.ankman@spamgourmet.com> wrote:

> 
> Robert Heller wrote on 26. October 2014:
> >
> > At Sun, 26 Oct 2014 20:54:57 +0000 Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote:
> >
> >> 
> >> On 26/10/14 20:35, john@wexfordpress.com wrote:
> >> > I have two computers on my local network. I want to sign on machine
> >> > A, hardwired to my router and running slackware 14.1, from machine
> >> > B, a laptop with a wireless connection and running hard drive
> >> > knoppix. I am asking for a connection similar to that using MSWin
> >> > and VNC, but open source.
> >> >
> >> > Any suggestions?
> 
> VNC uses the Remote Frame Buffer protocol. And there are open source
> programs for Linux. Like vncviewer and also a server part.
> 
> >> ssh with X11 forwarding?
> >
> > +1
> 
> But that only allows one program to start. Although this one program can
> be "gnome-session" for example. So you get an almost complete Gnome
> desktop on your remote machine.

There is no real need to do that. Why would you want *two* desktops running at 
once?  

> 
> Still it might be the fastest method available.

-- 
Robert Heller             -- 978-544-6933
Deepwoods Software        -- Custom Software Services
http://www.deepsoft.com/  -- Linux Administration Services
heller@deepsoft.com       -- Webhosting Services
              

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#12531

Robert Heller wrote on 26. October 2014:
>
> At Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:58:39 -0400 Andreas Kohlbach <oct14.5.ankman@spamgourmet.com> wrote:
>
>> 
>> Robert Heller wrote on 26. October 2014:
>> >
>> > At Sun, 26 Oct 2014 20:54:57 +0000 Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> ssh with X11 forwarding?
>> >
>> > +1
>> 
>> But that only allows one program to start. Although this one program can
>> be "gnome-session" for example. So you get an almost complete Gnome
>> desktop on your remote machine.
>
> There is no real need to do that. Why would you want *two* desktops running at 
> once?  

I don't know. But if you use VNC you have exactly this (a full desktop).
-- 
Andreas

I wish my grass was emo. Then it would cut itself.

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#12501

On 26.10.14 22:35, john@wexfordpress.com wrote:
> I have two computers on my local network. I want to sign on machine A, hardwired to my router and running slackware 14.1, from machine B, a laptop with a wireless connection and running hard drive knoppix. I am asking for a connection similar to that using MSWin and VNC, but open source.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> John Culleton


VNC is available for Linux. You have to choose whether you want to
copy an existing desktop (Windows way) or a completely new session.

-- 

-TV

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#12504

On 2014-10-26, john@wexfordpress.com <john@wexfordpress.com> wrote:
> I have two computers on my local network. I want to sign on machine A, hardwired to my router and running slackware 14.1, from machine B, a laptop with a wireless connection and running hard drive knoppix. I am asking for a connection similar to that using MSWin and VNC, but open source.

ssh from B tpo A making sure you have X11 forwarding set up on
/etc/ssh/sshd_config on A.
Then run the program you want from B. 
I do not know what you have or want to run.

>
> Any suggestions?
>
> John Culleton

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#12507

On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:35:40 -0700 (PDT), john@wexfordpress.com wrote:

 > I have two computers on my local network. I want to
 >sign on machine A, hardwired to my router and running
 >slackware 14.1, from machine B, a laptop with a wireless
 >connection and running hard drive knoppix. I am asking for
 >a connection similar to that using MSWin and VNC, but open
 >source.
 >
 > Any suggestions?

VNC *is* open source and available for Linux. If you just
want single remote applications to open on your local
desktop, use xpra rather than legacy X forwarding:

https://www.xpra.org/

Bob T.

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#12526

On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:35:40 -0700, john@wexfordpress.com wrote:

> I have two computers on my local network. I want to sign on machine A,
> hardwired to my router and running slackware 14.1, from machine B, a
> laptop with a wireless connection and running hard drive knoppix. I am
> asking for a connection similar to that using MSWin and VNC, but open
> source.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> John Culleton

I believe VNC uses LARGE amounts of bandwidth. I have used XDMCP in the 
past.

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#12527

At 27 Oct 2014 14:35:04 GMT ray carter <ray@zianet.com> wrote:

> 
> On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:35:40 -0700, john@wexfordpress.com wrote:
> 
> > I have two computers on my local network. I want to sign on machine A,
> > hardwired to my router and running slackware 14.1, from machine B, a
> > laptop with a wireless connection and running hard drive knoppix. I am
> > asking for a connection similar to that using MSWin and VNC, but open
> > source.
> > 
> > Any suggestions?
> > 
> > John Culleton
> 
> I believe VNC uses LARGE amounts of bandwidth. I have used XDMCP in the 
> past.

On a LAN, the bandwidth is not usually that much of an issue, but it depends.
Using VNC (or any other method to achieve a full remote desktop), is often
going to use much more bandwidth than just using ssh to tunnel a remote X11
connection for a single application (or even 2-3 applications). Since both
machines are running some flavor of Linux, that is the most cost-effective
option, in terms of CPU cycles and bandwidth. Unlike mess-windows, UNIX/Linux
and X11 are in fact built to do exactly that. And UNIX/Linux w/X11 contains
all of the (open source) pieces to do this as part of the (typical) base
(desktop) install, without have to install any additional software packages.

>                                                                                                 

-- 
Robert Heller             -- 978-544-6933
Deepwoods Software        -- Custom Software Services
http://www.deepsoft.com/  -- Linux Administration Services
heller@deepsoft.com       -- Webhosting Services
               

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#12538

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:45:24 -0500, Robert Heller wrote:

> At 27 Oct 2014 14:35:04 GMT ray carter <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:35:40 -0700, john@wexfordpress.com wrote:
>> 
>> > I have two computers on my local network. I want to sign on machine
>> > A,
>> > hardwired to my router and running slackware 14.1, from machine B, a
>> > laptop with a wireless connection and running hard drive knoppix. I
>> > am asking for a connection similar to that using MSWin and VNC, but
>> > open source.
>> > 
>> > Any suggestions?
>> > 
>> > John Culleton
>> 
>> I believe VNC uses LARGE amounts of bandwidth. I have used XDMCP in the
>> past.
> 
> On a LAN, the bandwidth is not usually that much of an issue, but it
> depends.
> Using VNC (or any other method to achieve a full remote desktop), is
> often going to use much more bandwidth than just using ssh to tunnel a
> remote X11 connection for a single application (or even 2-3
> applications). Since both machines are running some flavor of Linux,
> that is the most cost-effective option, in terms of CPU cycles and
> bandwidth. Unlike mess-windows, UNIX/Linux and X11 are in fact built to
> do exactly that. And UNIX/Linux w/X11 contains all of the (open source)
> pieces to do this as part of the (typical) base (desktop) install,
> without have to install any additional software packages.

Maybe in an ideal world. IME, in real life, most X programs are
ridiculously chatty. VNC to the whole desktop is far more effective on
a low bandwidth connection than trying to run even one X application
over the same connection.

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#12540

At Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> wrote:

> 
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:45:24 -0500, Robert Heller wrote:
> 
> > At 27 Oct 2014 14:35:04 GMT ray carter <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >> On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:35:40 -0700, john@wexfordpress.com wrote:
> >> 
> >> > I have two computers on my local network. I want to sign on machine
> >> > A,
> >> > hardwired to my router and running slackware 14.1, from machine B, a
> >> > laptop with a wireless connection and running hard drive knoppix. I
> >> > am asking for a connection similar to that using MSWin and VNC, but
> >> > open source.
> >> > 
> >> > Any suggestions?
> >> > 
> >> > John Culleton
> >> 
> >> I believe VNC uses LARGE amounts of bandwidth. I have used XDMCP in the
> >> past.
> > 
> > On a LAN, the bandwidth is not usually that much of an issue, but it
> > depends.
> > Using VNC (or any other method to achieve a full remote desktop), is
> > often going to use much more bandwidth than just using ssh to tunnel a
> > remote X11 connection for a single application (or even 2-3
> > applications). Since both machines are running some flavor of Linux,
> > that is the most cost-effective option, in terms of CPU cycles and
> > bandwidth. Unlike mess-windows, UNIX/Linux and X11 are in fact built to
> > do exactly that. And UNIX/Linux w/X11 contains all of the (open source)
> > pieces to do this as part of the (typical) base (desktop) install,
> > without have to install any additional software packages.
> 
> Maybe in an ideal world. IME, in real life, most X programs are
> ridiculously chatty. VNC to the whole desktop is far more effective on
> a low bandwidth connection than trying to run even one X application
> over the same connection.

That is probably true (but *I* *regularly* run an xterm over a dialup Internet
connection -- yes, that actually works well enough, but yes, I would not even
attempt to run anything more than that over a dialup connection), but the OP
is talking about a LAN, with one machine connected via a hard Cat5 connection
and the other via 802.11{bgn} wireless. Unless we are talking about a '486
with a ISA Ethernet card (unlikely), the machine with the Cat5 connection is
good for up to (at least) 100MBits/Sec (100BaseT) and the other machine is
probably *at least* 802.11g (54Mbits/sec) if not 802.11n (108Mbits/sec). Not a
'low bandwidth connection'... Running X11 over SSH on a 100BaseT *LAN* works
just fine -- I do that all of the time. I even run X11 over SSH on a 802.11g
wireless connection and that works well too.

>     

-- 
Robert Heller             -- 978-544-6933
Deepwoods Software        -- Custom Software Services
http://www.deepsoft.com/  -- Linux Administration Services
heller@deepsoft.com       -- Webhosting Services
                                                                                                                     

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#12732

john@wexfordpress.com <john@wexfordpress.com> wrote:
> I have two computers on my local network. I want to sign on machine A, hardwired to my router and running slackware 14.1, from machine B, a laptop with a wireless connection and running hard drive knoppix. I am asking for a connection similar to that using MSWin and VNC, but open source.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> John Culleton

Use freenx - like VNC but faster.

-- 
Stephen Chadfield

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