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Killer price on a mini PC

Started by"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
First post2026-09-15 21:48 -0400
Last post2026-10-02 18:17 +0000
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  Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 21:48 -0400
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-16 03:17 +0000
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 23:35 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 21:29 -0700
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:51 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:36 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 12:03 -0700
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 01:49 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 02:44 -0700
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 20:29 +1000
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:45 +0100
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 02:30 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:38 +1000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:43 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 17:38 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:46 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:47 +1000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:54 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 17:59 +0100
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:38 -0400
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:13 -0700
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:22 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:56 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 07:19 +0000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 11:24 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:15 -0400
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 01:54 -0700
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:24 -0400
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-16 12:36 +0100
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 10:11 -0400
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 12:20 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:58 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 13:26 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-18 00:49 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:10 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 20:01 +0000
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 16:23 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:42 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 18:09 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 23:02 +0000
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:08 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 00:33 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 21:20 +0100
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-18 16:05 -0500
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 17:09 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 17:19 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:47 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-09-18 22:10 +0000
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 23:13 +0100
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-19 19:56 +1000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:42 -0400
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-20 21:24 +1000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:18 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 04:51 -0400
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 19:18 +1000
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 13:13 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:33 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 18:46 -0400
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:52 +1000
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 20:02 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 21:21 +1000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-19 18:33 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-19 21:24 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 04:03 -0400
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 04:21 -0400
                            screen shape/orientation (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:31 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:45 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:57 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:39 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 15:04 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:29 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 22:47 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 20:36 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:14 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-20 11:26 -0500
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:32 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 06:16 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:41 +0000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:30 +0100
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:57 +1000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:01 -0400
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 17:19 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:02 -0500
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 19:23 -0400
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:30 +0000
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:12 +0200
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:47 +0100
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:29 +0200
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:26 +0000
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:36 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:44 +0000
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:29 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:34 +0100
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 08:28 -0400
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:49 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:40 +0200
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:43 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:38 +0200
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:11 +0000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 19:55 +0200
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 19:20 +0100
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 00:27 -0400
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:31 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 09:18 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:05 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:18 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:13 -0400
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 18:55 +0100
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:43 +1000
                                                    Gigaset M740AV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 20:25 +0200
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 13:43 +0000
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 20:39 +0200
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 06:51 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:24 +0100
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:11 +0200
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:18 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:41 +0200
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 11:57 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:48 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:25 +0000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:46 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 16:47 +0000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:28 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:33 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:03 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:42 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:34 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:36 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:14 +0100
                                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:39 +0100
                                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-26 17:14 -0500
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 22:16 -0400
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:24 +0100
                                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 07:38 +0000
                                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:37 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:42 +0100
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0100
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +1000
                                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:46 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:03 +0000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:16 +0000
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 07:19 +0000
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:37 +0100
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:38 +0100
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:32 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 00:10 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 01:56 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 08:20 -0700
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 21:46 +0000
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 23:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 08:12 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:05 +0000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:05 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-28 20:46 +1000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 12:03 +0100
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:37 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 19:03 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-26 19:14 -0400
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 02:20 -0400
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 07:50 +0100
                                          OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 18:59 +0100
                                            Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:52 +0000
                                              Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-23 02:29 -0400
                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:50 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:40 +0200
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:38 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 19:46 -0400
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:04 -0400
                                            OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 06:45 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 04:10 -0400
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:39 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 13:17 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:23 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:44 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:39 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:11 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-26 11:47 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:08 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:58 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:30 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:10 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:02 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:03 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:26 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-28 15:45 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:30 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:46 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:25 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 16:40 +0100
                                                                                    OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 16:58 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:57 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) André Coutanche <acoutanche@gmx.co.uk> - 2026-09-29 21:50 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:33 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 22:48 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:07 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - Lehrer John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 15:51 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 21:02 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:22 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:01 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 10:57 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 08:10 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:39 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-30 00:46 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:39 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:25 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:34 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:31 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 14:47 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:58 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:36 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:12 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:35 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 16:14 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:35 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:53 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 19:03 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 21:50 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:25 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer marika <marika5000@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 00:03 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:13 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:51 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:55 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-30 14:15 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +1000
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:52 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:13 +1000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-10-08 21:51 +0200
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:47 +1100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:47 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-12 11:58 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 22:37 +1100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:17 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 18:15 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 11:56 -0400
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:28 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 15:28 -0400
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 10:19 +0200
                                                                      [OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:43 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 11:44 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:12 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 18:12 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:23 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:34 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:46 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-29 12:01 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:13 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Other John <nomail@here.org> - 2026-09-29 16:53 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:12 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:23 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:37 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:28 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:35 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:15 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:15 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:50 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:24 +0200
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-01 17:17 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:48 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 13:32 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:52 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-03 21:10 +1000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:39 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:11 -0400
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-04 21:26 +1100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:19 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:36 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:18 +0200
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:47 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 12:50 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:09 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 15:59 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-03 15:56 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 17:19 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:54 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:27 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 07:55 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:54 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:17 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-05 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-05 11:46 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-06 17:51 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 18:58 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 20:36 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-07 09:00 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:04 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:21 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-07 11:54 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:37 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:51 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:04 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:15 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:22 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:33 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:20 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 01:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2026-10-09 20:09 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 07:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2026-10-10 10:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 19:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:33 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:52 +0200
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 20:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 22:15 +0200
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 03:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 18:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:41 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:40 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 18:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:17 +0200
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:58 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 20:45 +0200
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 22:44 -0400
                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:14 +0200
                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 00:53 -0400
                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 12:54 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:31 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 17:39 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 18:53 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 05:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 09:14 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - temperatures Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-16 19:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 23:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-16 22:32 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 03:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:41 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 19:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:02 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 12:16 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:41 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 18:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-17 12:52 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 15:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 20:08 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:51 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 20:05 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:26 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:27 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:57 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 21:02 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:46 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 17:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:52 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-17 18:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 18:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 22:03 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 22:38 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 01:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:28 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:59 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 21:02 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 03:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-17 18:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:55 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 19:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 13:01 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:33 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 17:40 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 19:04 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 18:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:32 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 00:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:29 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:20 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:32 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-09 23:08 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:34 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 19:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 21:56 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-11 21:15 +1100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 11:23 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-11 22:15 +1100
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:52 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 18:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-11 18:52 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 20:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-11 20:54 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 03:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:11 +1100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 02:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 03:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:58 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 18:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 16:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 07:23 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-12 03:13 -0400
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:07 +1100
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                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 19:26 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-16 14:04 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-16 18:31 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-17 11:53 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:16 +0200
                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-15 20:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-10-16 13:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 15:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-17 23:09 +1100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 18:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-18 10:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:14 +1100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 12:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:27 +0200
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 22:46 +1100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:57 +0200
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:11 +1100
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:26 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 01:08 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-10 03:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:35 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-10 12:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-10 13:29 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 00:01 -0400
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 05:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:21 +1100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:56 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:18 +1100
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:30 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-11 10:12 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:34 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 17:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 18:05 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:24 +1100
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:30 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-12 19:26 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 19:40 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:31 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:20 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-16 16:14 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-17 01:01 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 19:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-12 19:54 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:19 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-13 04:16 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-16 16:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:22 +0200
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:05 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:34 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:56 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:00 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-07 22:31 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 00:58 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 20:08 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-08 23:51 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:14 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:06 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:02 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 17:53 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:56 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-08 19:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:10 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:54 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:40 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:02 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 12:47 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 00:23 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:59 +1100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:50 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 18:41 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-03 22:52 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 21:24 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 08:08 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-04 09:29 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:54 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:15 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:27 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:13 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:19 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 13:54 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:34 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:22 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:37 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:37 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:50 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 13:08 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:50 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:29 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:53 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:49 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:19 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:34 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:52 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 07:52 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 03:15 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:16 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:12 +0200
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:06 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:50 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 01:31 +0000
                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:21 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:26 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:26 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:37 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 00:03 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:21 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:15 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:16 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:48 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:16 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:07 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:20 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:18 +0200
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:06 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:22 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:34 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:50 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:25 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:30 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 15:04 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:39 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:13 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-28 09:39 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 11:26 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:04 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:42 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 16:45 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:53 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 19:26 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:25 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 09:43 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:56 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 10:41 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:02 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 13:39 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:04 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 14:19 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:47 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 20:01 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:06 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:25 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 01:15 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Carlos <crazyhotwrse8@stinty.org> - 2026-10-03 20:41 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 21:28 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 17:16 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:50 +0100
                                                                                                              [OT] - power (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 19:05 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 19:15 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] - power "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:00 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] - power c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:30 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:47 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] - power Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-30 13:28 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:24 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-29 14:58 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:04 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:52 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:01 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:36 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:55 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:57 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 10:40 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:59 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:25 +0100
                                                                                                                  [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 23:54 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 00:57 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 08:56 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:12 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:04 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 19:31 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 19:59 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 19:04 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 20:19 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 21:41 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 01:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:27 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:09 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:14 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:27 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:06 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 11:37 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:03 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:26 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:45 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:52 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:38 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-10-11 16:29 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:51 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:30 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 14:43 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 14:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 19:54 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 08:51 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 04:40 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:19 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:20 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 19:32 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 20:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-18 22:00 +1100
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:24 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 17:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:52 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 19:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 20:13 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 21:42 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 01:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 18:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 07:47 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 01:20 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 14:03 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-10-11 16:28 +0200
                                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:49 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 11:01 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 11:36 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:12 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:52 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:01 +0200
                                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:05 +0200
                                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:57 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:14 +0200
                                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:51 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 14:06 +0200
                                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-10 12:26 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 20:11 +0200
                                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:48 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:07 +0200
                                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:46 +0200
                                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:56 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 14:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:33 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:22 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-10-11 14:14 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:33 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 23:47 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:39 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:31 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:39 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:35 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:20 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:50 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:20 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 23:18 +1100
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-05 06:40 -0500
                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 20:18 +1000
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:54 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 03:52 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:41 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:58 +1000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:56 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-24 22:24 +1000
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:07 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 12:53 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:09 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:56 +0000
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:47 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 10:01 +0100
                                              OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 14:42 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 15:55 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:18 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:50 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:34 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:10 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:29 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 05:12 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:02 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 13:52 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 15:41 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 19:35 +0000
                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 21:30 +1000
                                                        Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:54 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:14 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:38 +0000
                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:06 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:16 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:30 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:24 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:35 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 18:36 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:02 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:09 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0200
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:46 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:22 +0200
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:00 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:49 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:46 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:02 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 01:57 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-30 22:07 +1000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:30 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:42 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:12 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:51 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:31 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:55 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:50 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:35 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 23:02 -0400
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:19 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:22 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:20 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:57 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:22 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:43 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:21 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:58 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 01:09 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:08 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 19:28 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:14 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:11 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:31 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 17:44 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:19 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 17:37 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:29 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 23:56 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:19 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:25 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:12 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 00:48 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:05 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:43 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:09 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:49 +0200
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:02 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 22:18 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:33 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 00:58 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:07 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 07:07 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:33 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:13 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:06 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:51 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 02:41 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:31 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 19:11 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:10 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 18:00 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:33 +0000
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 00:40 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 08:57 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 10:44 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 18:08 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:59 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:02 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:28 +0200
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:28 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 21:03 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:27 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-30 18:27 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 01:03 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:31 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:29 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:10 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:23 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:36 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:24 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:47 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:34 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 02:50 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:46 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 19:51 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-02 03:59 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-02 18:17 +0000

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#93783 — Re: OT - TV

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-15 20:21 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<njcqu1Fit4rU8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93764
On Thu, 15 Oct 2026 18:18:02 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> This is another example of the law of unintended consequences. Thanks to
> daytime running lights I've noticed an increase in the number of cars
> driving at night (or at dusk or in the rain) with no tail lights.

When always on headlights were stipulated on bikes it was supposed to help 
them stand out in traffic. DLR took care of that. Is is a bike or a DLR 
car with a burned out headlight?  

The US, of course, hasn't gotten around to legalizing 'smart' headlights 
although they let the HID flame throwers slip through. I've thought about 
mounting a couple of those LEDs on the bikes that come with a 'for offroad 
use only' sticker to fight back.

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#93787 — Re: OT - TV

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-10-15 22:59 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<HVcAS.38373$ACx3.911@fx15.iad>
In reply to#93783
On 2026-10-15, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Oct 2026 18:18:02 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> This is another example of the law of unintended consequences. Thanks to
>> daytime running lights I've noticed an increase in the number of cars
>> driving at night (or at dusk or in the rain) with no tail lights.
>
> When always on headlights were stipulated on bikes it was supposed to help 
> them stand out in traffic. DLR took care of that. Is is a bike or a DLR 
> car with a burned out headlight?  

Yes, and bicycle headlights have kept up with cars in the lumen wars.  :-(

> The US, of course, hasn't gotten around to legalizing 'smart' headlights 
> although they let the HID flame throwers slip through. I've thought about 
> mounting a couple of those LEDs on the bikes that come with a 'for offroad 
> use only' sticker to fight back.

A while ago I went to the local supplier to get a replacement headlamp.
After pushing buttons on their little box that guides you to compatible
units, I noticed that some of them were marked "legal in Canada and
Mexico only".  I hope this means that the US authorities have reined
in some of the ridiculously bright lights.  In fact, the last few
times I've driven in the US at night, I've noticed that headlights
aren't nearly as objectionable down there (although it gets worse
as you get near the border and get a bigger mix of Canadian cars).

Recently I received (and gladly filled in) a survey from Transport
Canada (our counterpart to the US Department of Transport).  It was
polling people to see how many of us find modern headlights far too
bright.  One of the questions asked how we deal with it, and included
my workaround: flip the sun visor way down to block oncoming light.
If I set it right I can avoid being blinded while still being able
to see the wheels and possibly bumper of the car ahead.  I can
also see pedestrians which I would miss due to dazzle from
oncoming cars, so I figure I'm safer this way.

As for cars coming up behind me (especially jacked-up pickups
shining right into my Honda Civic), I adjust my side mirrors
to fry their eyeballs with their own beams.  Poetic justice.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#93788 — Re: OT - TV

FromRobert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net>
Date2026-10-15 23:28 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<slrn11d2odk.dfh.spamtrap42@one.localnet>
In reply to#93787
On 2026-10-15, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2026-10-15, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2026 18:18:02 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> This is another example of the law of unintended consequences. Thanks to
>>> daytime running lights I've noticed an increase in the number of cars
>>> driving at night (or at dusk or in the rain) with no tail lights.
>>
>> When always on headlights were stipulated on bikes it was supposed to help 
>> them stand out in traffic. DLR took care of that. Is is a bike or a DLR 
>> car with a burned out headlight?  
>
> Yes, and bicycle headlights have kept up with cars in the lumen wars.  :-(
>
>> The US, of course, hasn't gotten around to legalizing 'smart' headlights 
>> although they let the HID flame throwers slip through. I've thought about 
>> mounting a couple of those LEDs on the bikes that come with a 'for offroad 
>> use only' sticker to fight back.
>
> A while ago I went to the local supplier to get a replacement headlamp.
> After pushing buttons on their little box that guides you to compatible
> units, I noticed that some of them were marked "legal in Canada and
> Mexico only".  I hope this means that the US authorities have reined
> in some of the ridiculously bright lights.  In fact, the last few
> times I've driven in the US at night, I've noticed that headlights
> aren't nearly as objectionable down there (although it gets worse
> as you get near the border and get a bigger mix of Canadian cars).
>
> Recently I received (and gladly filled in) a survey from Transport
> Canada (our counterpart to the US Department of Transport).  It was
> polling people to see how many of us find modern headlights far too
> bright.  One of the questions asked how we deal with it, and included
> my workaround: flip the sun visor way down to block oncoming light.
> If I set it right I can avoid being blinded while still being able
> to see the wheels and possibly bumper of the car ahead.  I can
> also see pedestrians which I would miss due to dazzle from
> oncoming cars, so I figure I'm safer this way.
>
> As for cars coming up behind me (especially jacked-up pickups
> shining right into my Honda Civic), I adjust my side mirrors
> to fry their eyeballs with their own beams.  Poetic justice.

If you'd like, you're welcome to use the term I coined for that
type of headlights:

        weapons-grade assault headlights

I doubt turning the side mirrors will cause any (arguably
deserved) adverse effect on the driver behind, because the
distances are enough greater after the round trip.  I just aim my
adjustable side mirror at the pavement until the offender is no
longer behind me.

There is one thing that can help a little bit with the side
mirror problem, at least during the day.  It does take an
investment of time.  It works better if there's only one driver
per vehicle.

- Adjust the mirrors for normal driving.

- Place several sticky-notes on the inside of the front window to
  outline where the light from the edge of the mirror goes
  through the window when you are sitting in a normal driving
  position.

- Fine tune the positions of the sticky-notes.

- On the outside of the window, draw a line with a Sharpie on or
  slightly outside of the edges of the sharpies.

- Adjust the Sharpie line until you're sure you have it right.

- Remove (and dispose of) the sticky-notes.

- Trace the Sharpie line onto a piece of paper.

- Cut out a piece of fairly dark window tint film on or slightly
  outside the traced line from the Sharpie.

- Apply the window tint film to the inside of the window,
  matching it up to align perfectly with the Sharpie line.

- After the adhesive dries, seal the edge of the window tint film
  with clear fingernail polish or similar.

- Use isopropyl alcohol to remove the Sharpie lines from the
  outside of the window.

HTH

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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#93789 — Re: OT - TV

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-10-16 00:17 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<42eAS.13727$JwGb.6318@fx13.iad>
In reply to#93788
On 2026-10-15, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote:

> On 2026-10-15, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>
>> As for cars coming up behind me (especially jacked-up pickups
>> shining right into my Honda Civic), I adjust my side mirrors
>> to fry their eyeballs with their own beams.  Poetic justice.
>
> If you'd like, you're welcome to use the term I coined for that
> type of headlights:
>
>         weapons-grade assault headlights

I like that one.

> I doubt turning the side mirrors will cause any (arguably
> deserved) adverse effect on the driver behind, because the
> distances are enough greater after the round trip.  I just aim my
> adjustable side mirror at the pavement until the offender is no
> longer behind me.

If I aim low that's where the beam winds up anyway.  But some
tailgaters have actually backed off a bit after my treatment.
At least I like to think so.  And one fellow started flashing his
lights at me after I adjusted my mirror - I think I scored a bullseye.

> There is one thing that can help a little bit with the side
> mirror problem, at least during the day.  It does take an
> investment of time.  It works better if there's only one driver
> per vehicle.

<technique snipped>

I don't wash my car all that often, and there's usually a thin
film of dirt on the side window which shows the edges of the
reflected beam at night.  I use this for aiming.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#93792 — Re: OT - TV

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-16 01:51 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<njde9bFit4rU12@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93787
On Thu, 15 Oct 2026 22:59:51 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-10-15, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2026 18:18:02 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> This is another example of the law of unintended consequences. Thanks
>>> to daytime running lights I've noticed an increase in the number of
>>> cars driving at night (or at dusk or in the rain) with no tail lights.
>>
>> When always on headlights were stipulated on bikes it was supposed to
>> help them stand out in traffic. DLR took care of that. Is is a bike or
>> a DLR car with a burned out headlight?
> 
> Yes, and bicycle headlights have kept up with cars in the lumen wars. 
> :-(

https://www.ridethehiawatha.com/the-trail/

A bike helmet and a headlight are required. I had neither so I bought the 
cheapest available. Big mistake. I started from Avery ID on the lower end 
and wound up walking through most of the tunnels since I couldn't see 
shit. When I got to the 1.66 mile tunnel I'd had enough, turned around, 
and went back downhill. It isn't a bad ride uphill since the rail grade 
seldom exceeds 2%.

There isn't much ambient lighting where I live so the bicycle headlights 
stand out. I'm not sure about the blinking taillights though. They attract 
your attention when there is nothing else but black and there's this thing 
called target fixation.

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#93795 — Re: OT - TV

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-16 00:13 -0400
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<uhydnYzkc7bxOUz3nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#93787
On 10/15/26 18:59, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-10-15, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2026 18:18:02 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> This is another example of the law of unintended consequences. Thanks to
>>> daytime running lights I've noticed an increase in the number of cars
>>> driving at night (or at dusk or in the rain) with no tail lights.
>>
>> When always on headlights were stipulated on bikes it was supposed to help
>> them stand out in traffic. DLR took care of that. Is is a bike or a DLR
>> car with a burned out headlight?
> 
> Yes, and bicycle headlights have kept up with cars in the lumen wars.  :-(

   Did a literal million miles on motorcycles. There
   really IS a serious problem with the headlights,
   especially once it starts to get dark. Is it a
   car with one light far away, or a MC at point
   blank range ? Most humans can't tell quickly,
   and that's DANGEROUS.

   Worst arrangement - two lights one above the other.

   Best typical arrangement, one main light and two
   smaller ones on a light-bar - a visual triangle.

   NO great fix alas. Just gotta ASSUME they're
   always out to GET YOU and ride accordingly.
   Sort of like video game, except you're ground
   meat if ....

   Note a gentle 'weave' as you approach intersections
   really DOES seem to help. Seems to help resolve
   the 'bad car' -vs- bike perceptual issue. Always
   did that.

   Humans are not computers, perception evolved for
   life on the veldt. That's how it is. Cope or die.

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#93728 — Re: OT - TV

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-15 01:26 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<njaodhFc9lcU46@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93716
On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 19:34:11 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> And turn the lights off immediately, dammit.

The first time I ran into that was with a rental. WTF?  The last rental I 
drove had a key fob for entry. It got very irate when I used the actual 
key and pitched a fit for a while. 

My current Toyota has vestiges of keyless entry like the solenoid operated 
locks but does not have the full package thankfully. 

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#93650 — Re: OT - TV

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-14 05:14 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nj8hefFc9lcU23@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93618
On Tue, 13 Oct 2026 20:16:10 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> I'm sure you are right for someone learning to drive, for that licence
> reason; but there are (or were? Not sure if still) models that turn off
> the engine whenever the car is stationary for more than a preset short
> period. they have bigger batteries for all the extra starts, and I think
> _may_ have regen. braking to help keep it charged - so could be (and no
> doubt are) called hybrids, but they aren't really, in that there is no
> electric _propulsion_ involved. [Are those what are/were called "mild
> hybrids"?]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start-stop_system

They aren't very popular and I think most can be disabled at least on a 
per trip basis. I remember the first time I heard the feature while 
walking by. In my long experience an engine turning off in a queue of cars 
at a stop sign of traffic light is not a Good Thing. It started again as 
the queue moved forward and I was relieved. I thought I might be drafted 
to push a dead car to the shoulder.

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#93675 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-14 12:53 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<lh34qmxio.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#93650
On 2026-10-14 07:14, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2026 20:16:10 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> 
>> I'm sure you are right for someone learning to drive, for that licence
>> reason; but there are (or were? Not sure if still) models that turn off
>> the engine whenever the car is stationary for more than a preset short
>> period. they have bigger batteries for all the extra starts, and I think
>> _may_ have regen. braking to help keep it charged - so could be (and no
>> doubt are) called hybrids, but they aren't really, in that there is no
>> electric _propulsion_ involved. [Are those what are/were called "mild
>> hybrids"?]
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start-stop_system
> 
> They aren't very popular and I think most can be disabled at least on a
> per trip basis. I remember the first time I heard the feature while
> walking by. In my long experience an engine turning off in a queue of cars
> at a stop sign of traffic light is not a Good Thing. It started again as
> the queue moved forward and I was relieved. I thought I might be drafted
> to push a dead car to the shoulder.

Google says about 60% of cars in Spain are start-stop, so that's 
extremely popular.


Año	% en new cars yearly	% of total Spain / europe

2010	~5% - 10%		~1%
2012	23,5% 			~8% - 10%
2015	~70% (UE standard)	~20% - 25%
2018	~85% - 90%		~35%
2022	>95%			~50%
2024	>98%			61%
2026 	~99% 			>63%
(Almost universal in ICE, microhybrids and hybrids)	



Key facts about this development

  • The regulatory impetus: The massive expansion after 2012 was not 
driven by consumer demand, but by European Union emissions regulations 
(the NEDC and, subsequently, the WLTP cycles). Manufacturers were 
obliged to fit the Start-Stop system as standard in virtually 100 per 
cent of their combustion-engine models to reduce certified CO₂ levels 
and avoid fines running into millions.

  • The bottleneck in the vehicle fleet: Although almost every car 
purchased since 2015 is fitted with this system, Spain has over 15 
million cars that are more than 15 years old. As the vehicle fleet is 
not being renewed at the same rate as in other European countries, 
around 35 per cent of vehicles on the road still use older technologies 
that lack this automatic shut-off system.

  • Current paradigm shift: In recent years, the traditional start-stop 
system using a reinforced starter motor is naturally giving way to mild 
hybrid (48V) and conventional hybrid systems. These manage the engine’s 
start-stop cycle much more smoothly and imperceptibly to the driver via 
an alternator-generator.

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)



-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#93688 — Re: OT - TV

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-10-14 14:32 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nj9eioF406kU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93650
rbowman wrote:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start-stop_system
> 
> They aren't very popular and I think most can be disabled at least on a
> per trip basis. 

Yes, but not so easy to make it default to off.

Mostly a tax-dodge based on theoretical CO₂ reduction for business 
users, rather than an actual cost saving for private motorists.

> I remember the first time I heard the feature while
> walking by. In my long experience an engine turning off in a queue of cars
> at a stop sign of traffic light is not a Good Thing.

Mine would auto-start when it saw the car in front start to move, and 
the belt starter *was* faster than the pinion starter, but still slower 
than just leaving the engine running, when approaching "tricky"junctions 
I ended-up shifting to sports mode which wouldn't stop the engine.

> It started again as
> the queue moved forward and I was relieved. I thought I might be drafted
> to push a dead car to the shoulder.

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#93694 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-14 16:31 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<kbg4qmxo2m.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#93688
On 2026-10-14 15:32, Andy Burns wrote:
> rbowman wrote:
> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start-stop_system
>>
>> They aren't very popular and I think most can be disabled at least on a
>> per trip basis. 
> 
> Yes, but not so easy to make it default to off.
> 
> Mostly a tax-dodge based on theoretical CO₂ reduction for business 
> users, rather than an actual cost saving for private motorists.
> 
>> I remember the first time I heard the feature while
>> walking by. In my long experience an engine turning off in a queue of 
>> cars
>> at a stop sign of traffic light is not a Good Thing.
> 
> Mine would auto-start when it saw the car in front start to move, and 
> the belt starter *was* faster than the pinion starter, but still slower 
> than just leaving the engine running, when approaching "tricky"junctions 
> I ended-up shifting to sports mode which wouldn't stop the engine.
> 
>> It started again as
>> the queue moved forward and I was relieved. I thought I might be drafted
>> to push a dead car to the shoulder.

I never found any trouble in busy traffic lights with my start-stop car. 
If I was on a bit a hurry, just footing the clutch as normally when I 
see the light go green, or when the car in front of me lifted his foot 
from the brake pedal would do. Just foot the clutch a second earlier.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#93695 — Re: OT - TV

FromJMB99 <mb@nospam.net>
Date2026-10-14 16:09 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11ao5vh$1j6ot$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93613
On 13/10/2026 19:59, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> My guess is that driving students choose to learn with a manual, because 
> the license allows them to drive any car.


A friend mentioned that his daughter was learning on a manual for that 
reason but I think it is the exception from the way he said it.

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#93641 — Re: OT - TV

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-14 04:27 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nj8elsFc9lcU18@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93601
On Tue, 13 Oct 2026 18:52:11 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

>> Many new drivers are taught on automatics so would need a further test
>> to drive a manual car.
>> 
> Really? I thought automatic-only test-sitting - whatever it is intended
> eventually to drive - was (in England) the exception rather than the
> rule,
> used mainly by those who find driving _at all_ difficult.>

I had to convince my 70-something mother she could drive an automatic. She 
started driving around 1918 and taught her father to drive but it was 
always manual transmissions, She took to ATs and power steering fine.

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#93670 — Re: OT - TV

FromMax Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
Date2026-10-14 11:34 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11anlrc$1cu2q$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93601
On 13/10/2026 18:52, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/10/13 12:8:51, JMB99 wrote:

>> Many new drivers are taught on automatics so would need a further test
>> to drive a manual car.
>>
> Really? I thought automatic-only test-sitting - whatever it is intended
> eventually to drive - was (in England) the exception rather than the
> rule, used mainly by those who find driving _at all_ difficult.>

It's for people who thing that clutch control/gear changing is the most 
difficult part of driving, when it's just a mechanical/muscular process 
that, once learnt is never forgotten, whereas the difficult part of 
driving is working out what other road users are doing and avoiding 
crashing into people/vehicles/objects.

-- 
Max Demian

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#93711 — Re: OT - TV

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-14 19:16 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nja2odFc9lcU37@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93670
On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 11:34:20 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

> It's for people who thing that clutch control/gear changing is the most
> difficult part of driving, when it's just a mechanical/muscular process
> that, once learnt is never forgotten, whereas the difficult part of
> driving is working out what other road users are doing and avoiding
> crashing into people/vehicles/objects.

A Volvo White truck I drove had a 9 speed overdrive transmission. The 
basic shift pattern was

    1    2
    3    4

I put over 100,000 on that truck and still would blow shifts if I wasn't 
paying attention. Muscle memory isn't always a good thing.

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#93720 — Re: OT - TV

FromHank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid>
Date2026-10-14 16:00 -0500
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11aoqia$1rjfe$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93711
rbowman wrote on 10/14/2026 2:16 PM:
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 11:34:20 +0100, Max Demian wrote:
> 
>> It's for people who thing that clutch control/gear changing is the most
>> difficult part of driving, when it's just a mechanical/muscular process
>> that, once learnt is never forgotten, whereas the difficult part of
>> driving is working out what other road users are doing and avoiding
>> crashing into people/vehicles/objects.
> 
> A Volvo White truck I drove had a 9 speed overdrive transmission. The
> basic shift pattern was
> 
>      1    2
>      3    4
> 
> I put over 100,000 on that truck and still would blow shifts if I wasn't
> paying attention. Muscle memory isn't always a good thing.
> 
> 

With that screwy shift pattern, if you had gotten used to it, you would 
have blown shifts in anything else you tried to drive!  :)

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#93685 — Re: OT - TV

FromDaniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2026-10-15 00:19 +1100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11anvhc$1gli6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93579
On 13/10/2026 10:08 pm, JMB99 wrote:
> This seems to confirm what I thought
> 
> "AI Overview
> 
> About 92 percent of new cars ordered in the UK are automatic 
> transmissions, while manual cars make up only about 7.9 percent of 
> delivered new vehicles."
> 
> Many new drivers are taught on automatics so would need a further test 
> to drive a manual car.
> 
Many years ago (30, maybe), I was told that, in Victoria(??) or 
Australia(??), if a person took their Driver's Licence test in an 
Automatic Car, they were ONLY licensed to drive an Automatic Car .... 
until they had been driving for (I think) twenty years, by which time 
they were deemed to be experienced enough at Driving to be able to drive 
a Manual car as well.
-- 
Daniel70

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#93592 — Re: OT - TV

FromSpike <aero.spike@mail.com>
Date2026-10-13 17:06 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nj76p9Fo4i0U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93550
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2026-10-12, J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 2026/10/12 10:48:7, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> 
>>> On 11/10/2026 23:46, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> 
>>>> (I'm not sure where the difference in words ending -or/-our,
>>>> like honour and colour, comes from.)
>>> 
>>> Webster understood how dumb his countrymen were and set about 
>>> 'simplifying' English as well as going polysyllabic to feed their egos
>> 
>> George Orwell had a go at the simplifying, in 1984: definitely a
>> double-plus un-good thing to do.
>> 
>> So Webster is the reason for transportation for transport, and elevator
>> for lift, is he?

> "'Orientate' is an example of the trend toward polysyllabificationizing."

Let’s hope it has an expiration date?

-- 
Spike

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#93679 — Re: OT - TV

FromDaniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2026-10-15 00:01 +1100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11anuet$1g001$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93527
On 13/10/2026 4:28 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/10/12 10:48:7, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 11/10/2026 23:46, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> (I'm not sure where the difference in words ending -or/-our,
>>> like honour and colour, comes from.)
>> Webster understood how dumb his countrymen were and set about
>> 'simplifying' English as well as going polysyllabic to feed their egos
>>
>>
> George Orwell had a go at the simplifying, in 1984: definitely a
> double-plus un-good thing to do.
> 
> So Webster is the reason for transportation for transport, and elevator
> for lift, is he?
> 
Just as well we both speak English!!
-- 
Daniel70

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#93696 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-14 17:26 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11aoafg$1ku90$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93679
On 14/10/2026 14:01, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 13/10/2026 4:28 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> On 2026/10/12 10:48:7, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 11/10/2026 23:46, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>> (I'm not sure where the difference in words ending -or/-our,
>>>> like honour and colour, comes from.)
>>> Webster understood how dumb his countrymen were and set about
>>> 'simplifying' English as well as going polysyllabic to feed their egos
>>>
>>>
>> George Orwell had a go at the simplifying, in 1984: definitely a
>> double-plus un-good thing to do.
>>
>> So Webster is the reason for transportation for transport, and elevator
>> for lift, is he?
>>
> Just as well we both speak English!!

No. That is American inferiority complex.

-- 
"I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah 
puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".

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