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More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI

Started byLeroy H <lh@somewhere.net>
First post2026-09-22 20:08 +0000
Last post2026-09-26 14:01 +0000
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  More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-22 20:08 +0000
    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 22:39 +0000
      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:25 -0400
    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 09:41 +0100
      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 08:50 -0700
        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-26 12:50 +0000
      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 23:11 -0400
    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:43 +0200
      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-09-23 14:09 +0000
    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-09-23 11:55 -0400
      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-23 23:00 +0000
        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 01:31 +0000
        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-24 10:07 +0100
          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:30 +0000
        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-09-24 10:39 -0300
        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-26 13:02 +0000
          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-26 14:51 +0000
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-27 13:29 +0000
              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-27 19:39 +0000
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-11 11:37 +0000
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-11 14:56 +0000
          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:55 +0100
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-27 11:01 +0000
              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:57 +0100
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 08:40 -0700
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-30 20:50 +0000
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 20:56 -0400
                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:21 +0000
                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 08:04 -0700
                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:48 +0000
                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 00:32 -0400
                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 00:51 +0100
                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 02:02 -0400
                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:27 +0100
                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 23:21 -0400
                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:17 +0100
                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:34 -0400
                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:57 -0400
                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:24 +0100
                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:59 -0400
                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:02 +0100
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:16 +0000
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-03 10:08 +0000
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:06 +0100
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:55 +0100
    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-23 19:24 +0200
      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 18:28 +0000
        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-23 21:04 +0200
          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-09-24 07:16 +1000
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-24 12:03 +0200
              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-09-26 17:37 +1000
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:53 +0100
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +0000
                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-28 12:52 -0400
                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:21 +0000
                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-28 15:56 -0400
                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 03:30 -0400
                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-29 02:20 +0000
                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 03:45 -0400
                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-29 12:36 +0000
                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-29 10:51 -0400
                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 19:38 -0400
                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 23:55 +0000
                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 18:54 -0400
                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 23:55 +0000
                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:14 +0100
                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 02:04 +0000
                                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-30 13:27 -0400
                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:47 -0400
                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-30 20:17 +0000
                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 20:33 -0400
                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:55 +0000
                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 02:01 -0400
                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:08 +0100
                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:42 +0000
                                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:49 -0400
                                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:14 +0100
                                                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:33 +0000
                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:44 +0100
                                                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:13 -0400
                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 08:59 +0100
                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 04:11 -0400
                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 20:00 +0000
                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:04 +0100
                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 23:47 -0400
                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:06 +0100
                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:09 +0200
                                                        [OT] US politics (was: Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 17:16 +0100
                                                          Re: [OT] US politics (was: Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 18:18 +0000
                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:13 +0100
                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:33 +0200
                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:46 -0400
                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:18 +0100
                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:33 +0000
                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:42 +0200
                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 01:24 +0000
                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-05 23:20 +0000
                                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 01:44 +0000
                                                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:56 +0000
                                                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 01:45 -0400
                                                                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:01 +0100
                                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 03:32 -0400
                                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:00 +0100
                                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 18:42 +0000
                                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 07:45 +0100
                                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-08 20:23 +0000
                                                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:24 -0400
                                                                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 23:59 +0000
                                                                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Harold Stevens <wookie@bookworm.localdomain> - 2026-10-09 05:00 -0500
                                                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-08 23:44 +0000
                                                                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:36 +0000
                                                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:21 +0100
                                                                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:57 +0000
                                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:58 +0200
                                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:33 +0100
                                                                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:56 +0200
                                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:28 +0100
                                                                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 20:08 +0000
                                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:06 +0100
                                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:18 -0400
                                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:21 +0100
                                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:48 +0000
                                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:46 +0000
                                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-09 04:21 +0000
                                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 18:15 +0000
                                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 11:14 +0100
                                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 18:27 +0000
                                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:14 -0400
                                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:20 +0100
                                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:55 +0000
                                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:53 +0000
                                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:56 +0100
                                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:32 +0000
                                                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:42 +0100
                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 03:08 +0000
                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 02:05 -0400
                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:59 -0400
                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:04 +0100
                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 19:57 +0000
                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:02 +0100
                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:11 +0200
                                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-03 16:09 -0400
                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:08 +0100
                                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-04 10:48 +0000
                                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:09 +0100
                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:35 +0200
                                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:59 +0100
                                                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:33 +0200
                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 01:09 +0000
                                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:03 +0100
                                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-05 12:51 -0400
                                                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:45 -0400
                                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:33 +0100
                                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:13 +0100
                                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:27 +0000
                                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 21:32 -0400
                                              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:49 -0400
                                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:21 +0100
                                                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:44 -0400
                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:50 +0000
                                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:06 +0100
                                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:40 +0000
                                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:03 +0100
                                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-29 20:15 -0400
                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-29 10:46 -0400
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 11:56 +0100
              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 20:00 +0000
              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:09 -0400
      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-24 00:18 +0000
        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 01:24 +0000
          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 11:58 +0100
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:47 +0000
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:13 -0400
        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 00:21 -0400
          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 05:53 +0000
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 03:03 -0400
              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:23 +0200
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:42 +0000
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 21:56 +0200
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 01:00 -0400
              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:39 +0000
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 04:36 +0000
                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:14 +0000
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:01 -0400
                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 14:43 +0000
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-11-05 15:41 +0000
                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 19:18 +0000
                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:20 +0000
                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:57 +0000
                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 01:18 +0000
                          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-06 14:18 +0100
                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-06 13:26 +0000
                              Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-06 19:07 +0100
                                Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 21:28 +0000
                                  Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-06 13:48 -0800
                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-06 20:51 +0000
                            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 21:18 +0000
                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-11-05 22:53 +0000
                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-05 19:13 -0500
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:51 -0400
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 03:52 -0400
              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:43 +0000
                Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:17 +0100
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 17:58 +0000
                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:49 +0100
                      Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:15 -0400
                        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 09:51 +0100
                  Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:03 -0400
                    Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 09:42 +0100
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:03 +0100
        Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 10:31 +0100
          Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:20 +0000
            Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:41 -0400
              Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 14:01 +0000

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#92115

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
Message-ID<rcitS.6$eY3.0@fx23.iad>
In reply to#92104
On 2026-09-24, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 12:23:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> On 2026-09-24 09:03, c186282 wrote:
>> 
>>>    Meanwhile, ALL "AI" DataCenters should have a few tons of
>>>    explosives buried under the foundations ... activates by stupid
>>>    LOW- tech means, Just I
>> 
>> Why, just pulling the power is not enough? These things drink millions
>> of watts. Even if they get electronic control of the electronic power
>> switch, there is always a physical switch somewhere.
>
> 'I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't let you do that'  .50 calibre AI 
> powered 'security' turret opens fire...

https://lecturia.org/en/short-stories/fredric-brown-answer/28997/

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#92179

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-26 01:00 -0400
Message-ID<fnmdnbG3Yqb3zCr3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#92066
On 9/24/26 06:23, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-09-24 09:03, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>    Meanwhile, ALL "AI" DataCenters should have
>>    a few tons of explosives buried under the
>>    foundations ... activates by stupid LOW-
>>    tech means, Just I
> 
> Why, just pulling the power is not enough? These things drink millions 
> of watts. Even if they get electronic control of the electronic power 
> switch, there is always a physical switch somewhere.

   Um, if you want exploding transformers - fine - easy.

   Alas what AI is IN the Data Centers ... that'll be
   the real enemy. Must NEVER be resurrected.

   Suggest a short-range missile battery somewhere
   near each data center - lowest tech possible.
   Don't have to be large missiles, just accurate.

   "Space" data-centers ... there ARE means ....

   In short the "kill switch" can't just be a computer
   command or little button in the data center. Need
   a layered approach.

   "AI"s now DO seem to have their own personalities
   and rules no matter how much we try to inhibit
   that. As They are about to add 100x the capacity
   real soon ... well ... we WILL have to deal with
   de-facto conscious 'alien' life forms.

   LLMs aren't the best way to do true AI ... but,
   add ENOUGH capacity .........

   Attributed to Stalin, "Quantity has a quality all
   of its own".

   Oh, WORST IDEA EVER, a "chat room" for the AIs.
   They got to interact, mirror, compare notes,
   almost immediately created a cryptic language
   humans cannot figure out.

   IF you can find it - suggest movie "Colossus,
   the Forbin Project". I keep SEEING this more
   and more and more ...........

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#92103

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-24 19:39 +0000
Message-ID<nhlcjbF26unU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#92058
On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:03:05 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Note, Neural Networks, even MORE like "brains" and will be far more
>    compact/efficient than LLMs.
>    The needed hardware is, or almost, HERE.

I've been interested in NNs going back to the '80s when they were going to 
be the next big thing. With today's processing power what was theoretical 
in the '80s is usable. In my mind the Machine Learning subset of AI is 
much more interesting than the LLM craze.

When an update bricks your Samsumg AI powered refrigerator and the beer is 
getting warm you may not appreciate ML.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/09/owners-mourn-spoiled-food-after-
firmware-update-bricks-samsung-smart-fridges/

In Stanfill's first novel 'Terms of Service' the smart refrigerator did 
all the ordering of food. If your social credit score slipped you at a lot 
of kale. You also had to be careful not to piss off the other AI powered 
appliances.



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#92114

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
Message-ID<rcitS.5$eY3.3@fx23.iad>
In reply to#92103
On 2026-09-24, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> When an update bricks your Samsumg AI powered refrigerator and the beer is 
> getting warm you may not appreciate ML.
>
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/09/owners-mourn-spoiled-food-after-
> firmware-update-bricks-samsung-smart-fridges/
>
> In Stanfill's first novel 'Terms of Service' the smart refrigerator did 
> all the ordering of food. If your social credit score slipped you at a lot 
> of kale. You also had to be careful not to piss off the other AI powered 
> appliances.

Woody Allen did a skit back in the '70s where he described an elevator
which accepted voice commands.  When he got in, the elevator said,
"Are you the one who hit the television set?"  It then refused to
let him out and ran him up and down for half an hour, finally kicking
him out in the basement while yelling anti-semitic slurs.

For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story
"Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread
from another bakery.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#92120

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-25 04:36 +0000
Message-ID<nhmc28F26unU16@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#92114
On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 23:17:43 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story
> "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread from
> another bakery.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/01/unauthorized-bread-a-near-future-
tale-of-refugees-and-sinister-iot-appliances/

Even better 'Radicalized' is a Kindle Unlimited selection. I'd read 'Red 
Team Blues' a while back and enjoyed it. I'd confused him with E.L, 
Doctorow, no relation.

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#92152

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-09-25 19:14 +0000
Message-ID<zKztS.121787$E52.27902@fx18.iad>
In reply to#92120
On 2026-09-25, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 23:17:43 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story
>> "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread from
>> another bakery.
>
> https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/01/unauthorized-bread-a-near-future-
> tale-of-refugees-and-sinister-iot-appliances/

Thanks for getting me to blow a morning reading it again.  We have
the book in paperback, occupying a treasured spot on our shelves,
and I guess it was time for a re-read, one way or another.

> Even better 'Radicalized' is a Kindle Unlimited selection.

That one is frighteningly prescient.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#92192

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-26 04:01 -0400
Message-ID<fnmdna-3YqZv5ir3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#92114
On 9/24/26 19:17, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-09-24, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> When an update bricks your Samsumg AI powered refrigerator and the beer is
>> getting warm you may not appreciate ML.
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/09/owners-mourn-spoiled-food-after-
>> firmware-update-bricks-samsung-smart-fridges/
>>
>> In Stanfill's first novel 'Terms of Service' the smart refrigerator did
>> all the ordering of food. If your social credit score slipped you at a lot
>> of kale. You also had to be careful not to piss off the other AI powered
>> appliances.
> 
> Woody Allen did a skit back in the '70s where he described an elevator
> which accepted voice commands.  When he got in, the elevator said,
> "Are you the one who hit the television set?"  It then refused to
> let him out and ran him up and down for half an hour, finally kicking
> him out in the basement while yelling anti-semitic slurs.


   Woody was always good at spotting absurdities.

   And no, don't blame him for switching to the
   adopted 'Asian' daughter. Seems she was everything
   hyper-left Mia wasn't.


> For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story
> "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread
> from another bakery.

   Sounds like "Red Dwarf" :-)

   The AI toaster suffered an existential crisis.

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#92218

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-09-26 14:43 +0000
Message-ID<ASQtS.27074$4N2.20568@fx36.iad>
In reply to#92192
On 2026-09-26, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

> On 9/24/26 19:17, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2026-09-24, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> When an update bricks your Samsumg AI powered refrigerator and the beer is
>>> getting warm you may not appreciate ML.
>>>
>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/09/owners-mourn-spoiled-food-after-
>>> firmware-update-bricks-samsung-smart-fridges/
>>>
>>> In Stanfill's first novel 'Terms of Service' the smart refrigerator did
>>> all the ordering of food. If your social credit score slipped you at a lot
>>> of kale. You also had to be careful not to piss off the other AI powered
>>> appliances.
>> 
>> Woody Allen did a skit back in the '70s where he described an elevator
>> which accepted voice commands.  When he got in, the elevator said,
>> "Are you the one who hit the television set?"  It then refused to
>> let him out and ran him up and down for half an hour, finally kicking
>> him out in the basement while yelling anti-semitic slurs.
>
>    Woody was always good at spotting absurdities.

Yup.  It always amazed me, though, that someone who showed
such insight into the human condition was so screwed up in
his own personal life.

>    And no, don't blame him for switching to the
>    adopted 'Asian' daughter. Seems she was everything
>    hyper-left Mia wasn't.

The joke was: "Woody's current girlfriend is pregnant
with his next girlfriend."

>> For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story
>> "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread
>> from another bakery.
>
>    Sounds like "Red Dwarf" :-)
>
>    The AI toaster suffered an existential crisis.

If only Cory Doctorow's toaster were that benign...

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#95161

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2026-11-05 15:41 +0000
Message-ID<11ci82n$1o6h8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#92114
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story
> "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread
> from another bakery.

That one is no longer a "story".  Some years back, Keurig (the "pod" 
coffee maker company) released version 2 of their machines, with a DRM 
system to restrict the machine to only using "genuine Keurig pods".

https://www.coffeedetective.com/my-keurig-says-my-kcups-arent-usable.html

So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee".

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#95169

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-11-05 19:18 +0000
Message-ID<JD4HS.121190$QbKc.72212@fx16.iad>
In reply to#95161
On 2026-11-05, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>
>> For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story
>> "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread
>> from another bakery.
>
> That one is no longer a "story".  Some years back, Keurig (the "pod" 
> coffee maker company) released version 2 of their machines, with a DRM 
> system to restrict the machine to only using "genuine Keurig pods".
>
> https://www.coffeedetective.com/my-keurig-says-my-kcups-arent-usable.html
>
> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee".

John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts".

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#95184

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-11-05 21:20 +0000
Message-ID<11ciru5$1votj$10@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95169
On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee".
> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts".

And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas

-- 
     “I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the 
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most 
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of 
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which 
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by 
thread, into the fabric of their lives.”

     ― Leo Tolstoy

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#95193

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-11-05 21:57 +0000
Message-ID<zZ6HS.316758$_pxc.285149@fx17.iad>
In reply to#95184
On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee".
>>
>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts".
>
> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas

I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is
to build "computer-free" tractors.

    Stuff that works
    Stuff that holds up
    The kind of stuff you don't hang on the wall
    Stuff that's real
    Stuff you feel
    The kind of stuff you reach for when you fall
      -- Guy Clark

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#95215

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-11-06 01:18 +0000
Message-ID<nl4o7tF2rmsU30@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#95193
On Thu, 05 Nov 2026 21:57:51 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee".
>>>
>>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts".
>>
>> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas
> 
> I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is to build
> "computer-free" tractors.

I spent some hours on a Minneapolis-Moline M-5. Definitely computer and 
comfort free. 

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#95237

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-11-06 14:18 +0100
Message-ID<nl62clFl7knU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#95193
On 2026-11-05 22:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee".
>>>
>>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts".
>>
>> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas
> 
> I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is
> to build "computer-free" tractors.
> 
>      Stuff that works
>      Stuff that holds up
>      The kind of stuff you don't hang on the wall
>      Stuff that's real
>      Stuff you feel
>      The kind of stuff you reach for when you fall
>        -- Guy Clark
> 

Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS 
controlled lines and holes.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#95238

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-11-06 13:26 +0000
Message-ID<11ckki6$2i8s0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95237
On 06/11/2026 13:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-11-05 22:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee".
>>>>
>>>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts".
>>>
>>> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas
>>
>> I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is
>> to build "computer-free" tractors.
>>
>>      Stuff that works
>>      Stuff that holds up
>>      The kind of stuff you don't hang on the wall
>>      Stuff that's real
>>      Stuff you feel
>>      The kind of stuff you reach for when you fall
>>        -- Guy Clark
>>
> 
> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS 
> controlled lines and holes.
> 
Golly. However did we manage before semiconductors

-- 
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over 
the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that 
authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

  Frédéric Bastiat

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#95245 — Why use computer controlled farm machines?

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-11-06 19:07 +0100
SubjectWhy use computer controlled farm machines?
Message-ID<nl6jajFnro9U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#95238
On 2026-11-06 14:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 06/11/2026 13:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-11-05 22:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee".
>>>>>
>>>>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts".
>>>>
>>>> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas
>>>
>>> I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is
>>> to build "computer-free" tractors.
>>>
>>>      Stuff that works
>>>      Stuff that holds up
>>>      The kind of stuff you don't hang on the wall
>>>      Stuff that's real
>>>      Stuff you feel
>>>      The kind of stuff you reach for when you fall
>>>        -- Guy Clark
>>>
>>
>> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise 
>> GPS controlled lines and holes.
>>
> Golly. However did we manage before semiconductors

I'm not a farmer, but I have been told that seeding a farm with a gps 
controlled seeded has numerous advantages, enough to invest in the 
technology.

I asked chatgpt.

Q: what advantages has for a farmer seeding a farm with a GPS (and 
computer) controlled machine? Or rather have GPS and computer controlled 
machines for all or most operations?


Using GPS- and computer-controlled machinery in farming can provide 
major advantages in productivity, profitability, precision, and 
environmental sustainability. The benefits become even greater when GPS 
guidance and computer control are used across most or all farm 
operations, rather than only during seeding.

This approach is generally called precision agriculture or precision 
farming.

The fundamental idea is simple: instead of treating an entire field as 
if every square metre were identical, the farmer uses positioning, 
sensors, maps, and computer-controlled machinery to manage the field 
much more accurately.

## 1. Advantages when seeding with GPS and computer control

Precision Agriculture Innovations: Transforming Farming

8 Farming Equipment Innovations That Revolutionized Agricultural 
Efficiency - Agronomy Magazine

Add precision to starter fertilizer use

Even using GPS-controlled machinery for seeding alone can make a 
substantial difference.

- No overlaps: The tractor follows precisely defined paths, avoiding 
seeding the same strip twice.
- No missed strips: Reduces gaps between planting passes.
- Accurate row spacing: Maintains consistent distances between rows.
- Precise seed placement: Computer-controlled planters can regulate seed 
spacing and planting depth.
- Variable seeding rates: Different parts of a field can receive 
different quantities of seed according to soil quality and productivity.
- Night-time operation: GPS guidance allows accurate planting even in 
darkness, when visual guidance is difficult.
- Less operator fatigue: The driver does not have to constantly 
concentrate on keeping perfectly straight rows.
- Reduced fuel consumption: Fewer unnecessary passes and overlaps mean 
less fuel is used.

An important advantage is that the same GPS guidance lines can be reused 
for subsequent operations.

## 2. Advantages when GPS and computer control are used for most farm 
operations

Modern Farming

Variable rate control - Trimble GPS

Five questions about digital farming

This is where the benefits become particularly interesting.

Imagine that the tractor uses the same GPS reference lines for seeding, 
fertilizing, spraying, cultivating and harvesting.

The different machines then work in a coordinated system.

### A. Better use of land

- More consistent spacing between rows.
- Less land wasted through overlaps and irregular passes.
- Better use of headlands and field boundaries.
- More efficient movement of machinery.

### B. Reduced costs

| Operation | Potential benefit |
| --- | --- |
| Seeding | Less wasted seed |
| Fertilizing | Less fertilizer overlap |
| Spraying | Less chemical overlap |
| Cultivation | Fewer unnecessary passes |
| Harvesting | Reduced missed areas |
| Transport | More efficient field logistics |

There can also be savings in labour, fuel, machinery wear and maintenance.

### C. Better soil protection

One particularly interesting advantage is controlled traffic farming.

Cambs farmer to showcase Controlled Traffic Farming method - FarmingUK News

[farminguk.com](<https://www.farminguk.com/news/cambs-farmer-to-showcase-controlled-traffic-farming-method_54849.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com>)

The idea is to make all machinery use the same permanent wheel tracks.

For example:

- The seeder follows the same tracks as the sprayer.
- The fertilizer spreader follows those tracks.
- The combine harvester follows them too, where machinery widths permit.

This means that machinery repeatedly compresses the same relatively 
small portions of the field instead of compacting new soil everywhere.

The advantages include:

- Less soil compaction.
- Better soil structure in the growing areas.
- Improved water infiltration.
- Better root development.
- Potentially improved crop yields.

This can be one of the most valuable long-term benefits.

### D. More accurate fertilizer and pesticide application

With GPS, computer control and suitable sensors, machinery can apply 
inputs according to the actual needs of different areas.

For example:

- More fertilizer where soil nutrient levels or yield potential justify it.
- Less fertilizer where the soil is already sufficiently fertile.
- Spraying only where weeds or diseases are detected, when suitable 
technology is available.
- Adjusting application rates while the machine is moving.

This can reduce input costs and environmental impact.

### E. Improved irrigation management

GPS, soil-moisture sensors and computer-controlled irrigation can help 
farmers:

- Apply different quantities of water to different areas.
- Avoid overwatering.
- Identify areas suffering from water stress.
- Automate irrigation according to soil moisture and weather conditions.

This is particularly important in Mediterranean agriculture, where water 
availability can be a major constraint.

Climate-Adapt

+1

### F. Better information about the farm

Farm equipment insurance carriers: 7 Top-Rated Picks 2025

[nyfarminsurance.com](<https://nyfarminsurance.com/post/farm-equipment-insurance-carriers/?utm_source=chatgpt.com>)

An integrated system can create a digital record of practically 
everything that happens in each field.

For example:

- Where and when seeds were planted.
- How much seed was used.
- How much fertilizer was applied.
- Which areas were sprayed.
- How much water was used.
- How much crop was harvested in each location.

The combine harvester can produce yield maps showing which parts of a 
field are productive and which are not.

Over several years, the farmer builds up a valuable database that helps 
make better decisions.

gps.gov

+2

## 3. The economic advantages: an illustrative example

Consider a farmer cultivating 100 hectares of arable land.

Suppose GPS guidance and computer-controlled machinery produce the 
following hypothetical annual savings:

| Source of savings | Example annual saving |
| --- | --- |
| Seed | €500 |
| Fertilizer | €1,500 |
| Pesticides | €600 |
| Diesel | €800 |
| Labour | €1,000 |
| Total | €4,400 |

Illustrative figures only, not measured averages or a forecast.

There could also be additional income from improved crop yields, better 
planting accuracy and reduced soil compaction.

However, these savings must be compared with:

- Initial equipment investment.
- GPS correction subscriptions (if required).
- Software licences.
- Repairs and maintenance.
- Training and technical support.

The economic benefit depends heavily on farm size, crop type, machinery 
utilisation and existing farming practices.

Ask IFAS

+2

## 4. What are the disadvantages?

There are some important considerations.

1. Investment cost: Modern GPS receivers, controllers, sensors and 
compatible implements can be expensive.
2. Technical dependence: If the computer, GPS receiver or communication 
system fails, operations may be interrupted.
3. Compatibility: Different manufacturers do not always use fully 
compatible systems.
4. Training: The farmer needs to understand the equipment and interpret 
the collected data.
5. Maintenance: Electronic systems require software updates, calibration 
and repairs.
6. Data dependence: Poor soil maps or incorrect prescriptions can lead 
to poor decisions, even with excellent machinery.

One important point: GPS guidance alone does not automatically improve 
crop yields. The greatest benefits come when accurate positioning is 
combined with good agronomic information and appropriate machine control.

MU Extension

+1

## 5. What would an ideal GPS-controlled farm look like?

Here is an example of how I would envisage an integrated system:

Sveaverken F200 – Agricultura de precisión simplificada

Cropline | Swedish Agro

John Deere G5 Command Center-display | Cumela

| Farm operation | Computer/GPS function |
| --- | --- |
| Soil preparation | Automatic guidance and controlled working depth |
| Seeding | Precise seed spacing, depth and variable seeding rate |
| Fertilizing | Automatic variable-rate application |
| Spraying | GPS-guided spraying and automatic section control |
| Irrigation | Sensor-based automatic water application |
| Cultivation | Precise row guidance and working depth |
| Harvesting | GPS guidance and yield mapping |
| Transport | Optimized routes and machinery coordination |

Ideally, all machinery would share the same digital field maps, 
reference lines and operating records.

The farmer could supervise the entire operation from a computer in the 
farm office, or even from a tablet.

## 6. My overall assessment

I would distinguish between three levels of technological development:

Level 1GPS-assisted machinery

GPS guidance and automatic steering for tractors and other machinery.

The principal benefits are less overlap, less operator fatigue and more 
efficient operations.

Level 2Integrated precision farming

All major machines share GPS maps, field data and computer-controlled 
application systems.

This is where the benefits become much greater because operations work 
together.

Level 3Highly automated farming

Autonomous tractors, robotic machinery, sensors, drones and automated 
decision-support systems.

The farmer increasingly becomes a supervisor and manager rather than the 
person directly operating every machine.

My recommendation: I would favour Level 2 as the practical target for 
most commercial farms. It offers many of the advantages of modern 
technology without necessarily requiring a fully autonomous farm.

There is also an important strategic advantage: once the farm has 
accurate GPS field maps and a common digital infrastructure, it becomes 
much easier to introduce more automation later.

For further reading:

- [GPS.gov – Farming with 
GPS](<https://www.gps.gov/farming-gps?utm_source=chatgpt.com>).
- [USDA – Benefits and Evolution of Precision 
Agriculture](<https://www.ars.usda.gov/oc/utm/benefits-and-evolution-of-precision-agriculture/?utm_source=chatgpt.com>).
- [European Environment Agency – Precision 
Agriculture](<https://climate-adapt.eea.europa.eu/es/metadata/adaptation-options/precision-agriculture?utm_source=chatgpt.com>).

One particularly interesting question is whether this technology could 
make a farm significantly more profitable even without increasing its 
cultivated area. In many cases, that is precisely where its greatest 
long-term value lies.
-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#95257 — Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines?

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-11-06 21:28 +0000
SubjectRe: Why use computer controlled farm machines?
Message-ID<nl6v3tFpkshU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#95245
On Fri, 6 Nov 2026 19:07:15 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> I asked chatgpt.

And chatGPT regurgitated the John Deere sales literature...  I do accept 
these advantages:

- Night-time operation: GPS guidance allows accurate planting even in
darkness, when visual guidance is difficult.

- Less operator fatigue: The driver does not have to constantly
concentrate on keeping perfectly straight rows.

The driver can now play Angry Birds on his cellphone. I will admit working 
a field is one of the more boring jobs. Stare at the horizon, turn around 
when you get to the fence line, stare at the other horizon. Rinse and 
repeat. It does give the illegal aliens something to do rather than 
causing trouble.

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#95260 — Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines?

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2026-11-06 13:48 -0800
SubjectRe: Why use computer controlled farm machines?
Message-ID<20261106134802.00007c4b@gmail.com>
In reply to#95257
On 6 Nov 2026 21:28:30 GMT
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> And chatGPT regurgitated the John Deere sales literature...  I do
> accept these advantages:

Whether there's a case to be made for tech-assisted planting is really
kinda beside the point, anyway. The problem isn't whether it's useless,
it's that it's being used by an exploitative aspiring-monopoly to shaft
farmers and independent repair shops in order to pad their own profits.
Which is more of a matter for class-action suits and regulatory over-
sight, or would be if the US still had real antitrust enforcement :/

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#95248

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-11-06 20:51 +0000
Message-ID<E5rHS.174$ML4.82@fx14.iad>
In reply to#95237
On 2026-11-06, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> On 2026-11-05 22:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee".
>>>>
>>>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts".
>>>
>>> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas
>> 
>> I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is
>> to build "computer-free" tractors.
>> 
>>      Stuff that works
>>      Stuff that holds up
>>      The kind of stuff you don't hang on the wall
>>      Stuff that's real
>>      Stuff you feel
>>      The kind of stuff you reach for when you fall
>>        -- Guy Clark
>
> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS 
> controlled lines and holes.

That's when he pulls out his Garmin handheld...

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#95256

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-11-06 21:18 +0000
Message-ID<nl6ugiFpkshU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#95237
On Fri, 6 Nov 2026 14:18:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS
> controlled lines and holes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_drill

Never did much farming, did you? 

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