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| Started by | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| First post | 2026-10-16 03:26 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-10-18 10:59 +0000 |
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Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 04:04 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:24 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-16 19:27 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 22:20 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 01:13 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-17 02:32 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-17 18:33 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 03:04 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 11:41 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-18 12:45 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 16:05 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 17:25 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 20:19 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-16 19:24 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 22:16 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 22:53 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-16 06:02 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI "Peyton" <peyton@solacium.us> - 2026-10-15 23:26 -0700
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-16 06:42 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-16 07:41 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-16 06:39 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-16 04:22 -0400
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 10:54 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 09:19 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-17 08:40 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:52 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-17 20:47 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-17 23:29 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-10-19 17:18 -0300
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Helmut Waitzmann <nn.throttle@erine.email> - 2026-10-21 00:54 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-23 18:50 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-23 23:59 -0400
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-24 11:53 +0200
Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-24 12:10 +0000
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-24 18:53 +0200
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-26 00:28 -0400
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-26 06:20 +0100
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-26 03:38 -0400
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-27 05:01 +0100
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-27 12:24 -0400
[OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-28 01:12 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 05:26 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-28 19:33 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-29 00:19 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-29 12:27 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-30 03:40 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 19:24 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-30 23:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-31 04:14 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 11:40 +0100
Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-31 10:49 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-31 13:11 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 19:53 +0100
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 19:56 +0100
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-31 22:41 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 12:31 +0100
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-11-01 20:50 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:40 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-02 23:27 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-31 14:11 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-31 16:57 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 19:56 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-31 22:11 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 04:18 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-01 17:22 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 12:59 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-01 17:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) FF <fflud@linux.rocks> - 2026-11-01 18:09 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-02 23:32 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-03 00:26 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:57 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-03 02:17 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 22:22 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:24 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 04:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:28 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 08:36 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 22:29 +0000
Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-01 01:08 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 13:03 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-11-01 10:58 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 22:27 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-31 21:57 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 13:07 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 22:32 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-02 23:35 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-02 23:22 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 03:02 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:50 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:28 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 21:18 -0500
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 08:40 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:31 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 18:32 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 19:51 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:40 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 16:49 -0800
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 11:31 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Josef Möllers <josef@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-28 17:01 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-28 17:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-28 18:18 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2026-10-28 23:28 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-29 00:11 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-29 00:46 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 22:36 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 09:13 -0700
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-29 18:13 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-30 04:00 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-10-29 17:37 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-10-29 20:01 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-29 21:18 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-10-29 21:40 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-29 23:58 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-10-30 15:14 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 00:09 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-30 04:33 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-30 11:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-30 17:52 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-30 17:14 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 19:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-30 18:26 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 19:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-30 20:12 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-10-31 11:07 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-31 21:38 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 04:30 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-01 10:16 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:13 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 09:35 -0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 20:27 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 13:50 -0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 20:42 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:42 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-03 16:38 +0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 08:40 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-03 07:29 -0700
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-04 02:02 +0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 19:45 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 18:17 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 16:45 -0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 21:00 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-02 02:16 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 04:48 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 14:13 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 06:47 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:02 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 19:48 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 20:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-11-02 17:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 20:25 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 03:56 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:03 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 13:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 19:56 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-03 16:42 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-03 19:40 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 01:28 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-02 09:41 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 11:22 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:11 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 13:57 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-03 00:20 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:45 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-03 11:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 13:02 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-11-03 13:26 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-03 07:35 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 18:06 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 14:29 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 14:28 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-03 00:08 +0100
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 21:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11b3e82$1h3cv$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94246 |
On Sun, 18 Oct 2026 14:38:31 -0600, Blaine wrote: > I had to put numpy back on the shelf. The use I found for it to this > point was 3D placement. But it says somewhere in small print: don't > use this for small vectors (3 per vector in 3D placement). Did you understand that by “small vectors” they meant “arrays of few elements”, not “vectors with dimensions as few as 3”?
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| From | Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 16:07 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <11b3fur$1hpjj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94248 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sun, 18 Oct 2026 14:38:31 -0600, Blaine wrote: > >> I had to put numpy back on the shelf. The use I found for it to this >> point was 3D placement. But it says somewhere in small print: don't >> use this for small vectors (3 per vector in 3D placement). > > Did you understand that by “small vectors” they meant “arrays of few > elements”, not “vectors with dimensions as few as 3”? > True. Perchance I could have wrapped the vectors together making a data group of larger size. -- Can you strip away so we may start again? "There’s a switch and they don't seem authentic or themselves. It feels like I’m an unnecessary body and it’s a waste of time to even be there." -- Grim, playful Blaine.
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| From | Piergiorgio Sartor <piergiorgio.sartor.this.should.not.be.used@nexgo.REMOVETHIS.de> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 23:44 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <17rfqm-jkc1.ln1@lazy.lzy> |
| In reply to | #94237 |
On 18/10/2026 22.05, rbowman wrote: [...] > Confusing but after seeing posts like 'Hi, I'm starting to learn Python. > How do I use numpy?' you want to scream 'learn the basics first!' Why? Maybe such person is interested in numpy for something matlab-like, but not in python as such. Which brings us back to the "too many libraries" pyhton has. For any thinkable application there is likely a python library, but the person interested in the application, might not really be interested in python, if not for the convenience of having almost everything already cooked. A bit of chicken / egg problem... bye, -- piergiorgio
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 22:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11b3g34$1h3cv$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94253 |
On Sun, 18 Oct 2026 23:44:33 +0200, Piergiorgio Sartor wrote: > Which brings us back to the "too many libraries" [Python] has. At some point, people were staying away from Python because it didn’t have enough libraries. Now the new excuse is that it has too many. It’s not like getting married, you know; you can try a few, pick the one(s) you find useful, and chuck the rest. That’s what choice is all about, and Open Source is all about choice. > For any thinkable application there is likely a python library, but > the person interested in the application, might not really be > interested in python, if not for the convenience of having almost > everything already cooked. That's what attracts people to Python. Why do you think Python has been able to achieve such a state, to a greater extent than any prior language? Even overtaking ones that had some quite big corporate heavyweight sponsorship behind them? Clue: it must have been something about the core language to begin with, that made it such an attactive basis to build on. > A bit of chicken / egg problem... It’s not Python that has the chicken/egg problem ...
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| From | Piergiorgio Sartor <piergiorgio.sartor.this.should.not.be.used@nexgo.REMOVETHIS.de> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 09:54 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <kuugqm-7ub.ln1@lazy.lzy> |
| In reply to | #94258 |
On 19/10/2026 00.09, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: [...] > At some point, people were staying away from Python because it didn’t > have enough libraries. Now the new excuse is that it has too many. No, the situation is the opposite. People use python because of the libraries, the very easy way to use them, but might not care less about the language itself. The language is just a commodity, it has no rewarding features, except for the libraries. Note that this is just an interpretation, not necessarily my opinion. Generally speaking I find the language OKish, even if I can see few improvements here and there. > It’s not like getting married, you know; you can try a few, pick the > one(s) you find useful, and chuck the rest. That’s what choice is all > about, and Open Source is all about choice. Oh, I cannot agree more. >> For any thinkable application there is likely a python library, but >> the person interested in the application, might not really be >> interested in python, if not for the convenience of having almost >> everything already cooked. > > That's what attracts people to Python. > > Why do you think Python has been able to achieve such a state, to a > greater extent than any prior language? Even overtaking ones that had > some quite big corporate heavyweight sponsorship behind them? > > Clue: it must have been something about the core language to begin > with, that made it such an attactive basis to build on. Not 100% sure about that. Initially python was sold as java replacement, but free from corporate interests. Later it developed in something much greater. To the point that even corporates adopted it. Just a different perspective. >> A bit of chicken / egg problem... > > It’s not Python that has the chicken/egg problem ... Of course not, but some users have it. bye, -- piergiorgio
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 08:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11b4l2g$1st2r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94292 |
On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 09:54:28 +0200, Piergiorgio Sartor wrote: > On 19/10/2026 00.09, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >> Why do you think Python has been able to achieve such a state, to a >> greater extent than any prior language? Even overtaking ones that >> had some quite big corporate heavyweight sponsorship behind them? >> >> Clue: it must have been something about the core language to begin >> with, that made it such an attactive basis to build on. > > Not 100% sure about that. > > Initially python was sold as java replacement, but free from > corporate interests. How was it “sold”, if it was being given away for free by a nonprofit dependent on volunteer support? Remember the corporate interests have access to million-dollar publicity budgets that no Free Software project can afford. Consider Microsoft Basic, for example, with the backing of the world’s most powerful computer company behind it. For building up a critical mass of libraries, it had a head start, not just of a few years, but of a decade or two, on Python. Yet nobody uses it any more. How come? Even Java had the support of Sun, probably the most successful Unix company. Yet Python has managed to overtake that, as well.
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| From | Piergiorgio Sartor <piergiorgio.sartor.this.should.not.be.used@nexgo.REMOVETHIS.de> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 10:55 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <hh2hqm-6ub.ln1@lazy.lzy> |
| In reply to | #94297 |
On 19/10/2026 10.40, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: [...] > How was it “sold”, if it was being given away for free by a nonprofit > dependent on volunteer support? Oh, come on! Sold! "Sold"? It's common English expression, not involving money, but intentions. It means some people, users, developers, were "advertising" (without any budget) python as a nice alternative to java (which was seen more closed). That's it. Budget does not play a role, here. I remember clearly an article chastising java for becoming "irrelevant *scripting* language (like python)". Imagine that... This is a different perspective, alternative to "language is so good, that's why it's successful". > Remember the corporate interests have access to million-dollar > publicity budgets that no Free Software project can afford. That does not seem to work either way. Linux was successful without publicity budget, it seems. On the other hand, OS/2 was not that successful, despite a large potential publicity budget. So what? Things are not always what they seem or what they are supposed or the are wished to be. bye, -- piergiorgio
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-20 00:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11b6e50$2irrr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94299 |
On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 10:55:45 +0200, Piergiorgio Sartor wrote: > On 19/10/2026 10.40, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> How was it “sold”, if it was being given away for free by a >> nonprofit dependent on volunteer support? > >> Remember the corporate interests have access to million-dollar >> publicity budgets that no Free Software project can afford. > > That does not seem to work either way. Linux was successful without > publicity budget, it seems. On the other hand, OS/2 was not that > successful, despite a large potential publicity budget. You’re just reinforcing the point I was trying to make. YOu seemed to suggest that it was some kind of publicity campaign that led to the popularity of Python. I am saying it is down to the inherent quality of the product, nothing more. You seem to be backing that up here.
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| From | Piergiorgio Sartor <piergiorgio.sartor.this.should.not.be.used@nexgo.REMOVETHIS.de> |
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| Date | 2026-10-20 08:08 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <q4djqm-474.ln1@lazy.lzy> |
| In reply to | #94368 |
On 20/10/2026 02.54, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 10:55:45 +0200, Piergiorgio Sartor wrote: > >> On 19/10/2026 10.40, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> How was it “sold”, if it was being given away for free by a >>> nonprofit dependent on volunteer support? >> >>> Remember the corporate interests have access to million-dollar >>> publicity budgets that no Free Software project can afford. >> >> That does not seem to work either way. Linux was successful without >> publicity budget, it seems. On the other hand, OS/2 was not that >> successful, despite a large potential publicity budget. > > You’re just reinforcing the point I was trying to make. YOu seemed to > suggest that it was some kind of publicity campaign that led to the > popularity of Python. I am saying it is down to the inherent quality > of the product, nothing more. You seem to be backing that up here. I never said the opposite. You seem so keen to defend python that every comment should be taken as negative so to requires a crusade. The point I was making was not that python is "bad". Simply that people can choose python, not because the language is particularly "exciting", but because it can solve a problem very quickly (thanks to the huge amount of libraries). That's quite different than saying "python is a bad language" and it is also different that saying "python is a good language". It does not comment on the language qualities themselves. It simply takes them apart and point out at different aspects. I understand you saying that the amount of libraries are a consequence of the language qualities, but it could also be a consequence of something else. Like nothing better to use. perl was used, but we all know perl... java? wow... C/C++, much, much faster, but ehi... You can draw a parallel between C and C++ in the same way. C++ allows to solve some problems in a quicker way than C (better way is a matter of discussion up to nowadays). In C you can do almost directly exactly the same as C++, but with more effort. Just consider that the first C++ compiler was convertig from C++ to C and then using the standard C compiler. So, people can choose C++ not because is a nice, OO, fancy language, but just because to write to a file it can use ">>" instead of boring "fopen()" / "fclose()". And, in fact, it's plenty of C++ code written as it was C, just with minor "simplifications". Got the point? bye, -- piergiorgio
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-20 07:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11b76gr$2pud0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94379 |
On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 08:08:58 +0200, Piergiorgio Sartor wrote: > On 20/10/2026 02.54, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >> You’re just reinforcing the point I was trying to make. YOu seemed >> to suggest that it was some kind of publicity campaign that led to >> the popularity of Python. I am saying it is down to the inherent >> quality of the product, nothing more. You seem to be backing that >> up here. > > I never said the opposite. You said users used Python for the libraries, they couldn’t care less about the language. I pointed out that those rich libraries are there with Python rather than some other language precisely because of the unique strengths of the Python language.
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| From | Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-20 18:06 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <11b8vlj$3fs78$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94381 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 08:08:58 +0200, Piergiorgio Sartor wrote: > >> On 20/10/2026 02.54, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>> You’re just reinforcing the point I was trying to make. YOu seemed >>> to suggest that it was some kind of publicity campaign that led to >>> the popularity of Python. I am saying it is down to the inherent >>> quality of the product, nothing more. You seem to be backing that >>> up here. >> >> I never said the opposite. > > You said users used Python for the libraries, they couldn’t care less > about the language. > > I pointed out that those rich libraries are there with Python rather > than some other language precisely because of the unique strengths of > the Python language. > If it were entirely based on merit, there would be messages in the comp.lang.ml newsgroup. -- Can you strip away so we may start again? "There’s a switch and they don't seem authentic or themselves. It feels like I’m an unnecessary body and it’s a waste of time to even be there." -- Grim, playful Blaine.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 02:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <njqo4mFei39U70@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94436 |
On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 18:06:11 -0600, Blaine wrote: > If it were entirely based on merit, there would be messages in the > comp.lang.ml newsgroup. Everybody moved to Ocaml...
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 07:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Q4ecnaBZuvazYUj3nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #94297 |
On 10/19/26 04:40, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 09:54:28 +0200, Piergiorgio Sartor wrote: > >> On 19/10/2026 00.09, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>> Why do you think Python has been able to achieve such a state, to a >>> greater extent than any prior language? Even overtaking ones that >>> had some quite big corporate heavyweight sponsorship behind them? >>> >>> Clue: it must have been something about the core language to begin >>> with, that made it such an attactive basis to build on. >> >> Not 100% sure about that. >> >> Initially python was sold as java replacement, but free from >> corporate interests. > > How was it “sold”, if it was being given away for free by a nonprofit > dependent on volunteer support? > > Remember the corporate interests have access to million-dollar > publicity budgets that no Free Software project can afford. > > Consider Microsoft Basic, for example, with the backing of the world’s > most powerful computer company behind it. For building up a critical > mass of libraries, it had a head start, not just of a few years, but > of a decade or two, on Python. Yet nobody uses it any more. How come? > > Even Java had the support of Sun, probably the most successful Unix > company. Yet Python has managed to overtake that, as well. I find Python pleasant to code with. Pascal is a bit more elegant but for me Python and Pascal tie for "most likable". 'C' ... kind of like building a car engine from the bolts on up.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-20 21:33 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m8skqmxtdo.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #94297 |
On 2026-10-19 10:40, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 09:54:28 +0200, Piergiorgio Sartor wrote: > >> On 19/10/2026 00.09, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>> Why do you think Python has been able to achieve such a state, to a >>> greater extent than any prior language? Even overtaking ones that >>> had some quite big corporate heavyweight sponsorship behind them? >>> >>> Clue: it must have been something about the core language to begin >>> with, that made it such an attactive basis to build on. >> >> Not 100% sure about that. >> >> Initially python was sold as java replacement, but free from >> corporate interests. > > How was it “sold”, if it was being given away for free by a nonprofit > dependent on volunteer support? > > Remember the corporate interests have access to million-dollar > publicity budgets that no Free Software project can afford. > > Consider Microsoft Basic, for example, with the backing of the world’s > most powerful computer company behind it. For building up a critical > mass of libraries, it had a head start, not just of a few years, but > of a decade or two, on Python. Yet nobody uses it any more. How come? Too many dialects. > > Even Java had the support of Sun, probably the most successful Unix > company. Yet Python has managed to overtake that, as well. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-21 02:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <njqnmoFei39U69@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94428 |
On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 21:33:10 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-10-19 10:40, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 09:54:28 +0200, Piergiorgio Sartor wrote: >> >>> On 19/10/2026 00.09, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>> Why do you think Python has been able to achieve such a state, to a >>>> greater extent than any prior language? Even overtaking ones that had >>>> some quite big corporate heavyweight sponsorship behind them? >>>> >>>> Clue: it must have been something about the core language to begin >>>> with, that made it such an attactive basis to build on. >>> >>> Not 100% sure about that. >>> >>> Initially python was sold as java replacement, but free from corporate >>> interests. >> >> How was it “sold”, if it was being given away for free by a nonprofit >> dependent on volunteer support? >> >> Remember the corporate interests have access to million-dollar >> publicity budgets that no Free Software project can afford. >> >> Consider Microsoft Basic, for example, with the backing of the world’s >> most powerful computer company behind it. For building up a critical >> mass of libraries, it had a head start, not just of a few years, but of >> a decade or two, on Python. Yet nobody uses it any more. How come? > Too many dialects. 'Nobody' is an exaggeration. https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ A problem in the Microsoft world is VB 6.0 and VB.NET are quite a bit different and converting 6.0 code to .NET wasn't as easy as advertised. VB.NET is closer to C# than the traditional VB so I think many moved on to C#.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 19:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <njnadrFei39U50@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94292 |
On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 09:54:28 +0200, Piergiorgio Sartor wrote: > Initially python was sold as java replacement, > but free from corporate interests. In the late '90s and well into the 2000s they weren't even in the same sphere. JSP, Tomcat, Java EE, browser applets, and the supposed 'write once, run anywhere' ability was Java's selling points. Microsoft's J++ experiment was aimed at C++ for desktop applications. It depends on your definition of 'initially'.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 21:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11b3e5a$1h3cv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94126 |
On 18 Oct 2026 09:57:01 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: > So, telling beginners that python is great because it has so many > packages, but one should try to avoid using them can be a little bit > confusing. More likely an indication that the person giving such advice is ... confused ... ;)
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 00:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <KuOdnQWAzoudBkj3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #94126 |
On 10/18/26 05:57, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: > Le 18-10-2026, Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> a écrit : >> >> Because I tricked you into thinking, "To begin" means "well here we go >> again." I intentionally made it obscure that I am instructing the >> beginner on this point. I am suggesting that someone "new" to Python >> shouldn't import very many packages, as they can overlap problematically. > > One of the power of python is the number of available packages. As the > saying go, in C you have a million ways to do what you want when in > python you have a million packages to do what you want. > > So, telling beginners that python is great because it has so many > packages, but one should try to avoid using them can be a little bit > confusing. However the number of libs, there is more GOOD DOCUMENTATION these days for the Python stuff. Too much 'C' stuff just ASSUMES you know every what/why/how because you're such a great mighty 'C' programmer, of course. Also can be many more options, ok optional SCREW-UPS, with any 'C' libs you find. The more 'plain English' aspects of Python often get you going sooner with less bullshit. Leave the fiddly 'C' to the people who write the Python libs. Python, mostly, Just Works smooth and simple. There are advantages in 'C' and advantages in Python. All depends on what you are DOING. As said, for 30+ years I did most everything in 'C' or Pascal. Past five years, almost entirely in Python. Pascal is more elegant and self-documenting, and FPC/Lazarus IS by far the quickest way to a usable GUI, but some of the functions/structures ARE less clean than 'C', kinda afterthoughts glued on to the Wirthian foundation. Pick the best tool for the job at hand. No 'religion'. These days, for 90% at least, the Best Tool is probably Python. Some stuff you'll have to strong- arm it to do ... so look elsewhere. Oh, 'found' for Linux, the TCC, Tiny-C Compiler. Does MANY useful things GCC and LLVM/Clang can do but produces tighter code faster. Added it to Code::Blocks as an option easy to switch to. Great for 'utilities'. Still trying to find a good use/reason for 'D' - still preferable to Rust in my aesthetic :-) Oh well, there's always FORTRAN and COBOL ... do on odd occasion write something in FORTRAN, but would rather forget COBOL :-)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 02:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <njiqeaFei39U22@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94082 |
On Sat, 17 Oct 2026 20:36:37 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> ... so well that now some distros don't let you install libraries with >> pip if you are not in a virtual environment. > > Do other languages get away with allowing you to override standard > system libraries without breaking things? I prefer venvs, particularly when using uv to set a Python version. For example when tensorflow says Python 3.9-3.12 they don't mean 3.13, 3.14, or 3.15. One annoyance is the different site packages on the various distros. For example on Fedora you can install python3-ruff as a site package with dnf. On Ubuntu 26.04 you get 'Error: Unable to locate package python3- ruff' and have to install it in a venv. No big deal but it's easier to create the venv for the project just in case.
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| From | John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 12:14 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <11b265k$11csg$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94101 |
On 18/10/2026 04:49, rbowman wrote: [..] > One annoyance is the different site packages on the various distros. For > example on Fedora you can install python3-ruff as a site package with > dnf. On Ubuntu 26.04 you get 'Error: Unable to locate package python3- > ruff' and have to install it in a venv. Or use docker. -- Static tumblelog generator: https://github.com/john-bokma/tumblelog/ Available as Python or Perl. Example tumblelog: https://plurrrr.com/
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