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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-07-26 01:09 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-07-27 20:04 +0200 |
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Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 01:09 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-26 07:22 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 20:37 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:16 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2026-07-26 20:00 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-26 22:40 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:10 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-26 21:24 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:02 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 02:59 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 23:18 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Epherma <epherma@remort.app.invalid> - 2026-07-26 20:31 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 04:35 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 06:37 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:45 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:10 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 19:52 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 15:17 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 16:22 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-27 11:51 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:22 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-29 08:25 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 08:04 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:09 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:33 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:35 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:08 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:32 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:10 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:46 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 12:32 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:47 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-29 23:41 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-29 22:54 +0200
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:30 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:42 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-29 23:38 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 04:04 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-30 12:33 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 19:03 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 01:54 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-30 21:13 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-07-30 23:47 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-07-30 23:30 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-30 12:34 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 19:11 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-30 21:11 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-07-30 14:05 -0300
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 14:51 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:07 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 04:42 +0000
Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread (was: Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 08:48 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 17:19 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:40 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 21:22 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 14:44 -0700
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 23:37 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 21:47 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 00:24 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 04:23 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 23:46 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:07 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-29 01:50 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 07:58 -0700
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 18:11 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:16 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 19:21 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:54 +0200
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:43 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 21:36 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:51 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 02:32 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-27 17:57 -0400
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 00:03 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:11 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:38 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:19 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-29 08:19 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:11 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:27 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 04:46 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 15:47 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:45 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:03 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 06:35 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-27 16:12 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 21:07 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:19 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 03:08 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 23:19 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 03:30 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 15:07 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 15:48 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:27 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 01:02 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:10 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 00:01 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:19 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:37 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:43 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-27 16:22 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:07 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 00:10 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:20 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:40 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 23:00 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 09:37 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 18:24 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-28 10:48 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:29 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 23:02 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-29 08:36 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 22:57 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-28 10:24 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:24 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:22 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:16 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 22:51 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2026-07-26 23:27 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:23 -0400
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 04:42 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:43 -0400
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:57 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:06 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-28 15:22 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:13 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:17 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:07 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:15 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:18 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:59 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:59 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:15 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:20 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:51 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 09:00 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:47 -0400
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:18 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:11 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:18 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:23 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:52 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:10 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-07-27 15:45 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-27 16:16 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:24 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 19:55 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 09:59 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:59 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:25 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:07 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:48 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:00 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 00:59 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 08:54 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:08 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 20:04 +0200
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| From | "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 01:54 +0500 |
| Message-ID | <114gdmt$24p37$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89264 |
31.07.2026 00:03, rbowman wrote: > Fedora is semi-rolling and has fewer surprises than a rolling > release like Arch Never have any problems with Arch Linux for a decade, the only one THE VERY BIG THING was systemd introducing. This cause "little" pain, mostly with bad rc scripts conversion to systemd units and overall third party software hickups with systemd. And that's it. All other things was purely third party software bugs and AUR maintainer fuckups :). Just subscribe to Arch news (e.g. via RSS) and read them before updating. All neccessary manual actions will be there. And try to update your system at least once per week (I do it on saturdays with morning coffee). Actually, I was surprised how systemd was made so good comparing to another software from same author - PulseAudio :).
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 21:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <114geqa$24ndu$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89274 |
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 01:54:50 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote: > Actually, I was surprised how systemd was made so good comparing to > another software from same author - PulseAudio :). It’s the only service manager I know of that also works for user sessions, not just for systemwide services. And that goes for its log handling, too.
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| From | vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 23:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <114gnpk$25vi4$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89275 |
At Thu, 30 Jul 2026 21:13:46 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 01:54:50 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote: > > > Actually, I was surprised how systemd was made so good comparing to > > another software from same author - PulseAudio :). > > It’s the only service manager I know of that also works for user > sessions, not just for systemwide services. *cough* launchd *cough* > > And that goes for its log handling, too. Well, MacOS kept syslogd separate. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the idea for systemd came from MacOS's launchd. BTW: Whenever someone posts their reminiscences of all the trouble they had with printing on Linux, I point out that nowadays, Linux printing is as easy as on MacOS -- thanks to CUPS. (Our household is dual-Unix -- Linux on my desktop, MacOS on Mrs. vallor's Mac Studio. Same goes for our phones. ;) ) -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 Mem: 258G OS: Linux 7.1.5 D: Mint 22.3 DE: Xfce 4.18 (X11) NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090Ti (24G) (610.43.02) "I'd love to, but I prefer to remain an enigma."
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| From | vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 23:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <114gmr8$25vi4$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89264 |
At 30 Jul 2026 19:03:25 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:33:25 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > > > On 2026-07-30 06:04, rbowman wrote: > >> On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 23:38:06 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> > >>> The "updates" usually aren't much. > >>> > >>> EXCEPT perhaps browsers ... the Bad Guys are constantly trying to > >>> infiltrate browsers. It's an ongoing war, kinda in the literal > >>> sense. > >> > >> Maybe. Fedora just got another kernel after a massive 9 hours of > >> uptime. > >> Important to me? Probably not. Do I want to skip 10 kernels before > >> updating? No. > > > > If I get another kernel that fast, it is because there was an error when > > making the previous one. I usually get about one a month. > > Leap 16 uses the 6.12 LTS from November 2024. Fedora is at 7.1.5. It > probably makes no difference to me but so it goes. For example 6.19 > included improvements for btrfs. Both my Leap and Fedora boxes use btrfs > but I haven't noticed a difference. > > Leap 16 is Python 3.13. In October it will only receive security fixes. > Fedora 45 is scheduled to move to 3.15 in October when it is released. I > expect there will be more fixes. > > Plasma on Fedora is 6.7.2, 6.4.3 on Leap, and so forth. > > Part of the decision making when selecting a distribution is how up to > date you want to be. Fedora is semi-rolling and has fewer surprises than a > rolling release like Arch or Tumbleweed while staying close to the newest > versions. Leap is downstream of SLED and arguably is more stable. Ubuntu > sort of splits the difference. 26.04's kernel is 7,0, which would have > been 6.20 except Torvalds ran out of fingers and toes. It's a LTS release > so while it has Python 3.14 I don't expect it will ever get 3.15. Ubuntu > derivatives like Mint are a mixed bag. Mint's kernel is 6.17, its Python > is 3.12. Newer kernel than Leap, older Python. I'm using those as > indicators. systemd is 259 on Fedora and Ubuntu, 257 on Leap, etc. > > The nice thing about Linux is you get to pick your poison. Just a note about Mint -- you can install a later kernel using the update manager, under view > Linux kernels. (The latest is 7.0.0.) -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 Mem: 258G OS: Linux 7.1.5 D: Mint 22.3 DE: Xfce 4.18 (X11) NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090Ti (24G) (610.43.02) "I have enough trouble single-tasking!"
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 12:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <114fue5$1udhq$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89183 |
John Ames wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed): > On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 08:25:18 -0400 > Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: > >> And systemd seems to be to be a good thing. It sure minimizes boot >> times. > > Does anybody really care about boot times anymore? *nix uptimes can > generally be measured in months or years, and off an SSD even my pokey > little Eee 904 (running Devuan with sysvinit) goes from zero to display > manager in less than a minute. I care about boot times for my main laptop, as I don't use the suspend or hibernate functionality. Once past the 5-second GRUB screen, it's 10 seconds until sddm gives the login prompt. The only downside is that sometimes a 90-second needless wait time occurs before shutdown. I shortened that a lot, but it came back. -- Law stands mute in the midst of arms. -- Marcus Tullius Cicero
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 19:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nd1lupF9i60U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89250 |
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:34:13 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > The only downside is that sometimes a 90-second needless wait time > occurs before shutdown. I shortened that a lot, but it came back. 'sudo shutdown' ? I'll have to try that. I sometimes do 'sudo shutdown -r now' out of old habits but 'sudo reboot' gets the job done with fewer keystrokes. The only thing I shutdown is the Win11 laptop after its monthly update.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 21:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114gb57$23orj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89265 |
On 30/07/2026 20:11, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:34:13 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > >> The only downside is that sometimes a 90-second needless wait time >> occurs before shutdown. I shortened that a lot, but it came back. > > 'sudo shutdown' ? I'll have to try that. I sometimes do 'sudo shutdown -r > now' out of old habits but 'sudo reboot' gets the job done with fewer > keystrokes. The only thing I shutdown is the Win11 laptop after its > monthly update. Oddly enough sometimes reboot isn't enough: some hardware needs a full power off -- "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them" Margaret Thatcher
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| From | Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 14:05 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <87qzkk4dd6.fsf@safunu.org> |
| In reply to | #89250 |
Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> writes: > John Ames wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed): > >> On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 08:25:18 -0400 >> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: >> >>> And systemd seems to be to be a good thing. It sure minimizes boot >>> times. >> >> Does anybody really care about boot times anymore? *nix uptimes can >> generally be measured in months or years, and off an SSD even my pokey >> little Eee 904 (running Devuan with sysvinit) goes from zero to display >> manager in less than a minute. > > I care about boot times for my main laptop, as I don't use the > suspend or hibernate functionality. Once past the 5-second GRUB > screen, it's 10 seconds until sddm gives the login prompt. > > The only downside is that sometimes a 90-second needless wait time > occurs before shutdown. I shortened that a lot, but it came back. I tried Void Linux very recently and the start-up time is very impressive. It doesn't run systemd. It runs runit, a beautiful daemon manager.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 14:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <20260730145157.00001417@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #89250 |
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:34:13 -0400 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: > > Does anybody really care about boot times anymore? *nix uptimes can > > generally be measured in months or years, and off an SSD even my > > pokey little Eee 904 (running Devuan with sysvinit) goes from zero > > to display manager in less than a minute. > > I care about boot times for my main laptop, as I don't use the > suspend or hibernate functionality. Far be it from me to tell you how to use your machine...but I'm curious why you wouldn't?
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 16:07 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114d4vu$v1c8$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89181 |
On 29/07/2026 13:25, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > Farley Flud wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed): > >> On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 11:51:05 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: >> >>> You think Debian and Arch are now corporatized? >> >> No, but since the software they have chosen is controlled >> by corporations then there isn't much difference, is there? >> >> You may claim not to support the Chinese but yet your home >> is stuffed from floor to ceiling with Chinese goods. >> >> Both Debian and Arch have chosen to follow their lord and >> master called IBM/RedHat. > > :-D > > I tend to believe both distros are driven by technical > considerations. > > And systemd seems to be to be a good thing. It sure minimizes boot > times. > Seriously I haven't noticed any difference -- "Corbyn talks about equality, justice, opportunity, health care, peace, community, compassion, investment, security, housing...." "What kind of person is not interested in those things?" "Jeremy Corbyn?"
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-27 04:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1146njj$2tuqd$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89088 |
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 20:31:31 -0700, Epherma wrote: > See also the suppression of Xlibre by huge corporate interests. I wonder how that works; does anybody come round to your house and tell you not to install XLibre? Do cryptic messages pop up on your TV or radio every time you think about installing XLibre? Do you find your downloads of XLibre mysteriously dropping out? Do you find, instead of an XLibre package on your machine, just a text file saying “don’t try this again -- or else”?
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-27 08:48 +0100 |
| Subject | Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread (was: Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late) |
| Message-ID | <11472fn$30n9l$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89090 |
On 2026-07-27, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 20:31:31 -0700, Epherma wrote: > >> See also the suppression of Xlibre by huge corporate interests. > > I wonder how that works; does anybody come round to your house and > tell you not to install XLibre? Do cryptic messages pop up on your TV > or radio every time you think about installing XLibre? Do you find > your downloads of XLibre mysteriously dropping out? Do you find, > instead of an XLibre package on your machine, just a text file saying > “don’t try this again -- or else”? I think you're confusing manipulation by corporate interests with dystopian science fiction. You may have had a point there, but it seems to me you completely ruined any chance of a serious argument with these exaggerated examples? -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-27 17:19 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <wwvv7a0tngh.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #89095 |
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> writes: > On 2026-07-27, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 20:31:31 -0700, Epherma wrote: >>> See also the suppression of Xlibre by huge corporate interests. >> >> I wonder how that works; does anybody come round to your house and >> tell you not to install XLibre? Do cryptic messages pop up on your TV >> or radio every time you think about installing XLibre? Do you find >> your downloads of XLibre mysteriously dropping out? Do you find, >> instead of an XLibre package on your machine, just a text file saying >> “don’t try this again -- or else”? > > I think you're confusing manipulation by corporate interests with > dystopian science fiction. > > You may have had a point there, but it seems to me you completely > ruined any chance of a serious argument with these exaggerated > examples? I assume you mean “suppression of Xlibre by huge corporate interests” is is exaggerated, since Lawrence’s response is so obviously sarcastic. It seems to me that the reality is that it’s largely ignored. Partly that’s due to of adoption of Wayland, perhaps, but it’s also substantially because if you do need X11, Xorg remains readily available. $ cat /etc/debian_version 13.6 $ dpkg -l xorg|tail -1 ii xorg 1:7.7+24+deb13u1 amd64 X.Org X Window System -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> |
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| Date | 2026-07-27 16:40 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <18c6331084faaaf8$15337$967852$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
| In reply to | #89109 |
On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 17:19:10 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > > It seems to me that the reality is that it’s largely ignored. Partly > that’s due to of adoption of Wayland, perhaps, but it’s also > substantially because if you do need X11, Xorg remains readily > available. > Here is yet another lackey who fails to understand the software that he uses. Only comparatively few programs use X11 directly (my fave text editor, cooledit, is an example.) Most programs employ graphical toolkits like GTK+ or Qt which then in turn will invoke X11. Well, guess what. IBM/RedHat controls the development of GTK+ and they will most like pull the plug on X11 compatibility in the future. Only Wayland (surprise, surprise) will be supported. Well, so what? All GTK+ software will still function as usual. Yes, but that only applies to application software. Other software, such as the long legacy of X11 window managers, will all be broken. Do you desire to use one of the excellent and still maintained X11 window managers? Tough luck, bozo. You won't be able to do so. Why not? Because IBM/RedHat has said so. That's why not. There is no other reason. -- Gentoo/LFS: Is there any-fucking-thing else?
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-27 21:22 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <ncq0g8FovvdU36@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89111 |
On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 16:40:48 +0000, Farley Flud wrote: > Well, guess what. IBM/RedHat controls the development of GTK+ > and they will most like pull the plug on X11 compatibility in the > future. > Only Wayland (surprise, surprise) will be supported. Who controls Qt? I never liked Gtk but I've been playing with it lately. I still don't like it. Ridiculously long function names that all start with gtk_ are a pain in the ass. It's ironic Gtk was developed because Qt wasn't 'free'. Be careful of what you wish for.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-27 14:44 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <20260727144410.000049a2@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #89121 |
On 27 Jul 2026 21:22:16 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > Who controls Qt? Used to be Nokia; these days it's apparently some manner of alliance between a publically-traded company and an open-source governing body, both specifically dedicated to it. The company is Finnish; I dunno about the org. Qt definitely seems less prone to infestation with Design Divas than the competition, in my observation.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-27 23:37 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <ncq8dtFovvdU37@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89122 |
On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 14:44:10 -0700, John Ames wrote: > On 27 Jul 2026 21:22:16 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> Who controls Qt? > > Used to be Nokia; these days it's apparently some manner of alliance > between a publically-traded company and an open-source governing body, > both specifically dedicated to it. The company is Finnish; I dunno about > the org. Qt definitely seems less prone to infestation with Design Divas > than the competition, in my observation. It started out as Trolltech. The trolls were great coders but their licensing was arcane. It was free for personal or open source use, but there was a license for commercial use. Unfortunately the commercial terms were so murky that it discouraged use. Like everything else it's been through changes of ownership. It was the commercial part that spurred the development of Gtk and GNOME. That seems to follow Qt. PyQt is developed by Riverbank Computing and has both GPL and commercial licensing. Nokia wanted to release it as LGPL but Riverbank refused so Nokia, and later the Qt Company developed their own Python bindings and released it as PySide under LGPL. 'Side' is supposedly Finnish for 'binding' but I think it really means 'Screw you, Riverbank!' The two are very close but the official Python version is PySide6.
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| From | Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> |
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| Date | 2026-07-27 21:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <18c643c7e3918e59$13824$874455$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
| In reply to | #89121 |
On 27 Jul 2026 21:22:16 GMT, rbowman wrote: > > Who controls Qt? I never liked Gtk but I've been playing with it lately. > I still don't like it. Ridiculously long function names that all start > with gtk_ are a pain in the ass. > Yes. They have even hijacked all the standard C type names in favor of their own. Hence C "int" becomes "gtk_int" although they designate the exact same thing. Also, faithfully following the latest fashion trends, they eschew the standard configuration files in favor of CSS markup. Modifying a simple font or color now requires a weeks-long odyssey of exploration. But it's not only GTK+ and Qt but also the plethora of other other graphical toolkits, such as Xforms, Fltk, Motif, Tk, etc., that will suffer with the enforced demise of X11. With one fell stroke IBM/RedHat will have destroyed all alternatives and forced everyone into its cattle pen. But the lackeys on this NG won't ever notice. All that they can muster is the installation of Ubuntu/Mint and then play their frivolous games. They are not savvy USERS; they are tawdry MOOCHERS. GNU/Linux is for true *users*, i.e. people that study and modify the FOSS software to suit their own needs. In a few years, my predictions will have proved true, but the morons on this NG will not have the mental capacity to ever notice. Corporations love stupid sheep. -- Gentoo/LFS: Is there any-fucking-thing else?
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| From | Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> |
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| Date | 2026-07-28 00:24 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <18c64c64d78eb25b$11352$566809$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
| In reply to | #89123 |
On 27 Jul 2026 23:46:29 GMT, rbowman wrote: > > I spent part of the last 25 years working with Motif. Even the legacy GUIs > on Windows used Motif with the NutCracker runtime and PTC X server. With > that much history the Motif code was completely entwined with XLib and Xt. > You're correct that the Gtk and Qt APIs sheltered you from getting down > and dirty with X11. The frontend replacement for the legacy GUIs was web > based Angular. No way could Motif be salvaged. What we did with placement, > app-defaults, IPC using XAtoms and so forth was exactly what the Wayland > people consider evil. > Both GTK+ and Qt can be built with, as of now, an optional Wayland integration using libwayland. Of course, X11 integration has been the standard default for both. However, LibreOffice, which can utilize either GTK+, Qt, or pure X11 frontends, demands that GTK+ be built with Wayland integration otherwise it will not run. This is true even if LibreOffice runs only within an X11 session. The trend is obvious. LibreOffice is another project that considers only the dictates of the mainstream distros. I have been told as much when reporting issues on the LibreOffice forums. Their developers will not ever address fringe concerns. But, getting back to graphical toolkits, I believe that Fltk also allows Wayland integration but the other common toolkits, such as Tk, Motif, and xforms do not and likely never will. IBM/RedHat gets its money from servers and hence security is, to them, of paramount importance. Their Wayland product has been designed from the ground up with security in mind. Each program can only run in isolation with no IPC. This may be fine for a public-facing server but it is a detriment to desktop workstations. Thus, productive desktop workstations will suffer tremendously just so those IBM/RedHat bastards can rake in more profit. -- Gentoo/LFS: Is there any-fucking-thing else?
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-28 04:23 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread |
| Message-ID | <ncqp56FovvdU40@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89129 |
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 00:24:58 +0000, Farley Flud wrote: > Both GTK+ and Qt can be built with, as of now, an optional Wayland > integration using libwayland. Of course, X11 integration has been the > standard default for both. I believe that is handled in GDK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDK pkg-config --libs gtk+-3.0 -lgtk-3 -lgdk-3 -lpangocairo-1.0 -lcairo-gobject -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lcairo -lharfbuzz -lgio-2.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -lz I get the same libs on Ubuntu 26.04 which is Wayland and MX 25.2 which is X11. /usr/include/gtk-3.0/gdk has both x11 and wayland subdirectories. I assume it gets sorted out there although I don't see any obvious #ifdef or other switch.
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