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  Micro$oft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-06-30 14:13 +0000
    Re: Micro$oft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-06-30 15:26 +0000
      Re: Micro$oft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-30 18:51 +0000
        Re: Micro$oft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-01 14:41 -0500
      Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-30 21:52 +0000
        Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-30 23:16 +0000
          Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-01 00:03 +0000
            Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-01 01:48 +0000
              Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-01 04:54 +0000
                Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-01 04:23 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-01 17:17 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-01 20:22 +0100
                Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-01 12:00 +0200
                Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 07:53 -0700
              Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-01 08:40 +0100
                Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery (WSL) "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 23:39 +0800
      Re: Micro$oft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-30 23:07 +0000
        Re: Micro$oft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-07-01 05:47 +0000
          Re: Micro$oft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-01 17:26 +0000
            Re: Micro$oft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-07-02 06:23 +0000
              Re: Micro$oft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-03 03:02 -0400
                Re: Micro$oft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-07-03 08:41 +0000

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#88534 — Micro$oft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery

Micro$oft is such a great OS that they've always needed sabotage
and bribery to succeed:

<https://www.makeuseof.com/microsofts-windows-fake-error-ended-in-a-280-million-settlement/>


GNU/Linux, in sharp contrast, blazes forever forward ahead with superior
quality.

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#88535

>Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net>wrote:
>>Micro$oft is such a great OS that they've always needed sabotage
>and bribery to succeed:
>
><https://www.makeuseof.com/microsofts-windows-fake-error-ended-in-a-280-million-settlement/>
>
>
>GNU/Linux, in sharp contrast, blazes forever forward ahead with superior
>quality.

Yes I have run win 3.1 on top of DRDOS, with trumpet winsock for internet.

But moved to Linux with SLS, Soft Landing Systems around 1992
 https://itsfoss.com/earliest-linux-distros/

Used and tried many distros.


I have read that these days Microsoft has shares in hardware companies
and making ever more bloated software forces people to buy ever more powerful hardware...

All about dollars..

I am posting this from a Raspberry Pi 4 8 GB with a 4 TB Toshibaba harddisc connected.
Nothing I cannot do
raspberrypi: ~ # uname -a
Linux raspberrypi 5.15.32-v7l+ #1538 SMP Thu Mar 31 19:39:41 BST 2022 armv7l GNU/Linux

2022 ? what's new?
I think it is running Debian
If I need something I write the code and open source it:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/newsflex/download.html

Many times you need no OS at all, just a micro and some asm:
 https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/index.html

But you need to understand the hardware AND the problem you want to solve, or thing you want to do,

Am developing some precision software on this Raspberry last few days... no problems.
Internet connection via a Huawei 4G USB modem, radio and RF stuff via RTL_SDR USB sticks.
Audio, video too...

gcc a very nice C compiler.

Who needs Microsoft? I do not need it, and with US listening in / having a say in it, it is probably a security risk.

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#88543

On 2026-06-30, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

> Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net>wrote:
>
>> Micro$oft is such a great OS that they've always needed sabotage
>> and bribery to succeed:
>
> <https://www.makeuseof.com/microsofts-windows-fake-error-ended-in-a-280-million-settlement/>
>
> GNU/Linux, in sharp contrast, blazes forever forward ahead with superior
> quality.

In my Amiga days I got hold of an Amiga port of Samba, which
enabled me to access files on a Windows machine.  Part of a
software update for Windows 2000 was a patch which made Windows
boxes send an invalid command to SMB boxes to which it was
connecting, and checking the response.  If it wasn't exactly
what a Windows box would return, it would refuse to connect.
It took the Amiga gurus only two or three days to come up
with a fix for that one.

> I have read that these days Microsoft has shares in hardware
> companies and making ever more bloated software forces people
> to buy ever more powerful hardware...
>
> All about dollars..

Just the other day a friend threw out a perfectly functioning
HP LaserJet printer because Windows declared it to be too old.

> Who needs Microsoft? I do not need it, and with US listening
> in / having a say in it, it is probably a security risk.

Yup.  Ditto for Apple, Google...

To paraphrase Ted Nelson in _Computer Lib_:

    Microsoft is not a necessary evil.
    Microsoft is not necessary.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  No artificial
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  intelligence was
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  used in the creation
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  of this post.

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#88589

Charlie Gibbs wrote:

>In my Amiga days I got hold of an Amiga port of Samba, which
>enabled me to access files on a Windows machine.  Part of a
>software update for Windows 2000 was a patch which made Windows
>boxes send an invalid command to SMB boxes to which it was
>connecting, and checking the response.  If it wasn't exactly
>what a Windows box would return, it would refuse to connect.

A nice example of Microshaft's immoral "business tactics" that have
been defended by Wintrolls, in here.

>It took the Amiga gurus only two or three days to come up
>with a fix for that one.

Was that before or after Micro$oft was forced by anti-trust lawsuit to
provide  the documentation needed for implementation of all of the
workgroup server protocols?

https://www.samba.org/samba/PFIF/

-- 
"unless it's illegal then the company hasn't done anything wrong."  -
trolling fsckwit "Exekiel"

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#88544 — Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 15:26:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

> I have read that these days Microsoft has shares in hardware
> companies and making ever more bloated software forces people to buy
> ever more powerful hardware...

It’s not working any more though, is it. Now they’re trying
desperately to make Windows more Linux-like -- but they can't do it
without an actual Linux kernel in there
<https://www.infoworld.com/article/4188967/making-windows-a-developer-platform-again.html>:

    Much of the Windows developer experience has moved back to the
    command line via Windows’ rearchitected terminal, underscoring the
    need for a consistent experience across the multiple development
    environments running on your PC. The context switch between a
    Linux environment through WSL or in a Visual Studio remote
    terminal and the Windows PowerShell and cmd environment can be
    jarring.

Much of that “jarring” comes from the fact that the whole Windows
environment is inherently unsuited to command-line operation, and
Microsoft can’t seem to do anything about that.

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#88547 — Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 21:52:32 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> Much of that “jarring” comes from the fact that the whole Windows
> environment is inherently unsuited to command-line operation, and
> Microsoft can’t seem to do anything about that.

Funny, I've been mostly using cmd on Windows for years with gVim as my 
primary editor. I will admit the relatively new Windows Terminal is nice. 
I can have a couple of Windows tabs and a tab for the WSL instance. About 
all I do in PowerShell is copypasta stuff I usually don't understand. 

I did start using VS Code with the Angular project but then I use Code on 
Linux too.

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#88553 — Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery

On 2026-06-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 21:52:32 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> Much of that “jarring” comes from the fact that the whole Windows
>> environment is inherently unsuited to command-line operation, and
>> Microsoft can’t seem to do anything about that.
>
> Funny, I've been mostly using cmd on Windows for years with gVim as my 
> primary editor. I will admit the relatively new Windows Terminal is nice. 
> I can have a couple of Windows tabs and a tab for the WSL instance. About 
> all I do in PowerShell is copypasta stuff I usually don't understand. 

I found a collection of Unix-style utilities (ls, grep, cut, uniq,
etc.) years ago.  The .EXEs' date stamps range from 1999 to 2003.
They're enough for me to sort of pretend I'm using real tools,
rather than CMD.EXE's brain-damaged not-quite-equivalents.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  No artificial
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  intelligence was
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  used in the creation
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  of this post.

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#88554 — Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery

On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 00:03:42 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> I found a collection of Unix-style utilities (ls, grep, cut, uniq,
> etc.) years ago. The .EXEs' date stamps range from 1999 to 2003.
> They're enough for me to sort of pretend I'm using real tools,
> rather than CMD.EXE's brain-damaged not-quite-equivalents.

Thinking about it, instead of trying to graft Linux-style
functionality onto the Windows command line, why don’t they just have
a desktop menu option that says “Open Linux Terminal”. This will
directly open window offering a native Linux command line, where you
can have full access to the Linux environment without having to go
through any cumbersome kind of Windows-based intermediary at all.

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#88559 — Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery

On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 01:48:33 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 00:03:42 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> I found a collection of Unix-style utilities (ls, grep, cut, uniq,
>> etc.) years ago. The .EXEs' date stamps range from 1999 to 2003.
>> They're enough for me to sort of pretend I'm using real tools, rather
>> than CMD.EXE's brain-damaged not-quite-equivalents.
> 
> Thinking about it, instead of trying to graft Linux-style functionality
> onto the Windows command line, why don’t they just have a desktop menu
> option that says “Open Linux Terminal”. This will directly open window
> offering a native Linux command line, where you can have full access to
> the Linux environment without having to go through any cumbersome kind
> of Windows-based intermediary at all.

You mean the pulldown in Windows Terminal that says fedora and when you 
select it you're in Fedora? Have you ever used Windows or do you just 
bitch about it?

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#88571 — Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery

On 7/1/26 00:54, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 01:48:33 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 00:03:42 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> I found a collection of Unix-style utilities (ls, grep, cut, uniq,
>>> etc.) years ago. The .EXEs' date stamps range from 1999 to 2003.
>>> They're enough for me to sort of pretend I'm using real tools, rather
>>> than CMD.EXE's brain-damaged not-quite-equivalents.
>>
>> Thinking about it, instead of trying to graft Linux-style functionality
>> onto the Windows command line, why don’t they just have a desktop menu
>> option that says “Open Linux Terminal”. This will directly open window
>> offering a native Linux command line, where you can have full access to
>> the Linux environment without having to go through any cumbersome kind
>> of Windows-based intermediary at all.
> 
> You mean the pulldown in Windows Terminal that says fedora and when you
> select it you're in Fedora? Have you ever used Windows or do you just
> bitch about it?

   Well, I wouldn't encourage anyone, EVER, to
   use Winders  :-)

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#88584 — Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery

On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 04:23:59 -0400, c186282 wrote:

> On 7/1/26 00:54, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 01:48:33 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 00:03:42 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> I found a collection of Unix-style utilities (ls, grep, cut, uniq,
>>>> etc.) years ago. The .EXEs' date stamps range from 1999 to 2003.
>>>> They're enough for me to sort of pretend I'm using real tools, rather
>>>> than CMD.EXE's brain-damaged not-quite-equivalents.
>>>
>>> Thinking about it, instead of trying to graft Linux-style
>>> functionality onto the Windows command line, why don’t they just have
>>> a desktop menu option that says “Open Linux Terminal”. This will
>>> directly open window offering a native Linux command line, where you
>>> can have full access to the Linux environment without having to go
>>> through any cumbersome kind of Windows-based intermediary at all.
>> 
>> You mean the pulldown in Windows Terminal that says fedora and when you
>> select it you're in Fedora? Have you ever used Windows or do you just
>> bitch about it?
> 
>    Well, I wouldn't encourage anyone, EVER, to use Winders  :-)

That's fine if you're not a working programmer. 

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#88587 — Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery

On 01/07/2026 18:17, rbowman wrote:
>>     Well, I wouldn't encourage anyone, EVER, to use Winders  🙂
> That's fine if you're not a working programmer.

Having to eat shit for money is not the sane as telling people to go out 
and find some of their own because they will enjoy it.

-- 
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly 
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential 
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations 
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with 
what it actually is.

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#88578 — Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery

On 2026-07-01 06:54, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 01:48:33 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 00:03:42 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> I found a collection of Unix-style utilities (ls, grep, cut, uniq,
>>> etc.) years ago. The .EXEs' date stamps range from 1999 to 2003.
>>> They're enough for me to sort of pretend I'm using real tools, rather
>>> than CMD.EXE's brain-damaged not-quite-equivalents.
>>
>> Thinking about it, instead of trying to graft Linux-style functionality
>> onto the Windows command line, why don’t they just have a desktop menu
>> option that says “Open Linux Terminal”. This will directly open window
>> offering a native Linux command line, where you can have full access to
>> the Linux environment without having to go through any cumbersome kind
>> of Windows-based intermediary at all.
> 
> You mean the pulldown in Windows Terminal that says fedora and when you
> select it you're in Fedora? Have you ever used Windows or do you just
> bitch about it?
> 

Considering the groups to which you are posting, finding people that do 
not use or even hate Windows should not be a surprise to you. >:-)

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#88581 — Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery

On 1 Jul 2026 04:54:00 GMT
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> > Thinking about it, instead of trying to graft Linux-style
> > functionality onto the Windows command line, why don’t they just
> > have a desktop menu option that says “Open Linux Terminal”. This
> > will directly open window offering a native Linux command line,
> > where you can have full access to the Linux environment without
> > having to go through any cumbersome kind of Windows-based
> > intermediary at all.  
> 
> You mean the pulldown in Windows Terminal that says fedora and when
> you select it you're in Fedora? Have you ever used Windows or do you
> just bitch about it?

I think we all know the answer to *that* question.

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#88569 — Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery

Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
> Thinking about it, instead of trying to graft Linux-style
> functionality onto the Windows command line, why don’t they just have
> a desktop menu option that says “Open Linux Terminal”. This will
> directly open window offering a native Linux command line, where you
> can have full access to the Linux environment without having to go
> through any cumbersome kind of Windows-based intermediary at all.

They do, that’s what WSL is.

-- 
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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#88582 — Re: Microsoft Success Built On Sabotage And Bribery (WSL)

On 7/1/2026 3:40 PM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> 
> They do, that’s what WSL is.
> 


Stealing paswords?
And command-lines?
And human relation?


-- 

    @~@   Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
   / v \  May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
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    ^ ^   https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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#88546

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 15:26:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

> I am posting this from a Raspberry Pi 4 8 GB with a 4 TB Toshibaba
> harddisc connected.
> Nothing I cannot do raspberrypi: ~ # uname -a Linux raspberrypi
> 5.15.32-v7l+ #1538 SMP Thu Mar 31 19:39:41 BST 2022 armv7l GNU/Linux
> 
> 2022 ? what's new?
> I think it is running Debian If I need something I write the code and
> open source it:

I'm running a Pi 5 with the Raspberry Pi OS which is Debian based. uname 
shows a 6.18 kernel and 06/09/2026. Right now it's running a weather page.

Temperature: 81.7 F
Humidity: 36.0%

Outside Temperature: 69.8 F
Outside Humidity: 52.8%

The inside temperature comes from a DHT11 and I scrape the NWS site for 
the current outside temperature and humidity. I thought it felt a little 
stuffy, but it has been in the 50s and raining so I closed the windows. 
Time for some natural AC.

I definitely could use it for my main machine in a pinch. I bought it 
before the prices went crazy.

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#88561

>rbowman <bowman@montana.com>wrote:
>>On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 15:26:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>
>> I am posting this from a Raspberry Pi 4 8 GB with a 4 TB Toshibaba
>> harddisc connected.
>> Nothing I cannot do raspberrypi: ~ # uname -a Linux raspberrypi
>> 5.15.32-v7l+ #1538 SMP Thu Mar 31 19:39:41 BST 2022 armv7l GNU/Linux
>> 
>> 2022 ? what's new?
>> I think it is running Debian If I need something I write the code and
>> open source it:
>
>I'm running a Pi 5 with the Raspberry Pi OS which is Debian based. uname 
>shows a 6.18 kernel and 06/09/2026. Right now it's running a weather page.
>
>Temperature: 81.7 F
>Humidity: 36.0%
>
>Outside Temperature: 69.8 F
>Outside Humidity: 52.8%

Yes, I am receiving my outside weather sensor with a RTL_SDR USB stick
and the 'rtl_433' program, temperature and humidity.
It can receive other sensors in the area too if in range.

I build a Pi 'hat' that has, among other chips,  an air pressure sensor and it is displayed in  the xgpspc program I wrote"
 https://panteltje.online/pub/boats_and_planes.gif
Other RTL_SDR USB sticks measure air-traffic, ship-traffic and GPS.
all goes to 'xgpspc'
 https://panteltje.online/pub/boats_and_planes.gif


>The inside temperature comes from a DHT11 and I scrape the NWS site for 
>the current outside temperature and humidity. I thought it felt a little 
>stuffy, but it has been in the 50s and raining so I closed the windows. 
>Time for some natural AC.
>
>I definitely could use it for my main machine in a pinch. I bought it 
>before the prices went crazy.

I have now 5 Raspberries, 4 are on 24/7, 3 of those are on a UPS, one very old one not in use as backup...

All together did cost less than an Apple ?

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#88585

On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 05:47:40 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

> Yes, I am receiving my outside weather sensor with a RTL_SDR USB stick
> and the 'rtl_433' program, temperature and humidity.
> It can receive other sensors in the area too if in range.

What sensor are you using? rtl_443 supports many protocols. I've got a 
RTL_SDR and have mostly used it for ADS-C.

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#88593

>rbowman <bowmqan@montana.com>wrote:
>>On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 05:47:40 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>
>> Yes, I am receiving my outside weather sensor with a RTL_SDR USB stick
>> and the 'rtl_433' program, temperature and humidity.
>> It can receive other sensors in the area too if in range.
>
>What sensor are you using? rtl_443 supports many protocols. I've got a 
>RTL_SDR and have mostly used it for ADS-C.

A cheap Nexus temperature and humidity sensor that hangs outside,
als has an inside box with diplay 


Using:
 rtl_433 -p 40 -R19 | weather sensor_to_xgpspc;

The -p is the frequency correction for the RTL stick.

For plane traffic I use dump1090, from this script:

raspberrypi: # cat /usr/local/send_planes_to_xgpspc
#!/bin/bash
#echo "Usage: send_planes_to_xgpspc device_number"
#echo "default device_number is 0"

if [ "$1" == "" ]
 then
  let device_number=0
 else
  device_number="$1"
 fi

#echo "device_number=$device_number"

#dump1090 --metric --interactive | grep -v  -e ---- -e Flight | awk '// { printf "%s %s %sm %skm/h %sN %sE\n", $1, $2, $3, $4, $5, $6}' | tee planes13.log | netcat -u 192.168.178.73 1079

#dump1090 --metric --interactive | grep -v  -e ---- -e Flight | awk '// { printf "%s %s %sm %skm/h %s %s\n", $1, $2, $3, $4, $5, $6}' | tee /root/planes.log | netcat -u 192.168.178.73 1079

dump1090 --device-index $device_number --metric --interactive | \
grep -v  -e ---- -e Flight | \
awk '// { printf "%s %s %sm %skm/h %s %s\n", $1, $2, $3, $4, $5, $6}' | \
tee /dev/stderr | \
netcat -u 192.168.178.73 1079

=================================

This sends the planes info to Raspbery with IP address 192.168.178.73 that runs 'xgpspc' using netcat

netcat is cool for communication between ethernet connected stuff
Some have multitasking operating systems ..  I also use computers for several tasks. :-)
Easy with those cheap Raspberries.

For air pressure I use a chip that is mounted on a raspi 'hat' I build,
that hat also holds compass and attitude chips:
 https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xgpspc/raspi_add_on_compass_accelerometer_pressure_GPS_interface_IMG_4949.JPG



  

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