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  Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 01:44 +0800
    Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? german newsgroups <usualsuspectrider@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 06:51 +0200
      Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 16:04 +0800
      Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-06-30 20:05 +1000
      Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-30 18:51 +0000
        Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-07-01 20:28 +1000
          Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-01 13:20 +0100
            Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-07-02 22:11 +1000
              Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 21:07 +0000
                Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-07-03 20:46 +1000
              Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 03:19 +0000

#88525 — Re: What does "libre" refer to in the context of a software license?

On 6/29/2026 8:59 PM, John C. wrote:
> 
> In software licensing, "libre" refers to freedom, not price. Borrowed
> from Romance languages, it is used to specifically distinguish ...

LibreOffice - Wikipedia
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice>

LibreOffice vs OpenOffice — LibreOffice
<https://www.libreoffice.org/libreoffice-vs-openoffice/>

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#88528

Le 29/06/2026 à 19:44, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit :
> On 6/29/2026 8:59 PM, John C. wrote:
>>
>> In software licensing, "libre" refers to freedom, not price. Borrowed
>> from Romance languages, it is used to specifically distinguish ...
> 
> LibreOffice - Wikipedia
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice>
> 
> LibreOffice vs OpenOffice — LibreOffice
> <https://www.libreoffice.org/libreoffice-vs-openoffice/>
> 

free means if you want, you could get the source, rewrite it
et do a another version of the software !
may be the name will be "caca version" because, a team is
10000 peoples !



-- 
Amicalement,

Frenchy Friendly, & French touch !

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#88529

On 6/30/2026 12:51 PM, german newsgroups wrote:
> 
> free means if you want, you could get the source, rewrite it
> et do a another version of the software !
> may be the name will be "caca version" because, a team is
> 10000 peoples !
Let me introduce you an english word that's
very hard to spell and remember:

ESPIONAGE中文(繁體)翻譯：劍橋詞典
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/zht/%E8%A9%9E%E5%85%B8/%E8%8B%B1%E8%AA%9E-%E6%BC%A2%E8%AA%9E-%E7%B9%81%E9%AB%94/espionage>

Espionage - Wikipedia
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage>

Meow.... The game is afoot!! :)



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   / v \  May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
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    ^ ^   https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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#88531

On 30/06/2026 2:51 pm, german newsgroups wrote:
> Le 29/06/2026 à 19:44, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit :
>> On 6/29/2026 8:59 PM, John C. wrote:
>>>
>>> In software licensing, "libre" refers to freedom, not price. Borrowed
>>> from Romance languages, it is used to specifically distinguish ...
>>
>> LibreOffice - Wikipedia
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice>
>>
>> LibreOffice vs OpenOffice — LibreOffice
>> <https://www.libreoffice.org/libreoffice-vs-openoffice/>
>>
> 
> free means if you want, you could get the source, rewrite it
> et do a another version of the software !
> may be the name will be "caca version" because, a team is
> 10000 peoples !
> 
Does caca really mean 10,000 (i.e. 100 x 100)??

I thought 'caca' might have meant what you might find in a Baby's 
nappy!! ;-P .... so a 'caca version' might have been pretty sh%$
-- 
Daniel70

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#88542

On 2026-06-30, german newsgroups <usualsuspectrider@gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 29/06/2026 à 19:44, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit :
>
>> On 6/29/2026 8:59 PM, John C. wrote:
>>
>>> In software licensing, "libre" refers to freedom, not price. Borrowed
>>> from Romance languages, it is used to specifically distinguish ...
>> 
>> LibreOffice - Wikipedia
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice>
>> 
>> LibreOffice vs OpenOffice — LibreOffice
>> <https://www.libreoffice.org/libreoffice-vs-openoffice/>
>
> free means if you want, you could get the source, rewrite it
> et do a another version of the software !
> may be the name will be "caca version" because, a team is
> 10000 peoples !

Compare "free as in speech" with "free as in beer".

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#88579

On 1/07/2026 4:51 am, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-06-30, german newsgroups <usualsuspectrider@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Le 29/06/2026 à 19:44, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit :
>>> On 6/29/2026 8:59 PM, John C. wrote:
>>>
>>>> In software licensing, "libre" refers to freedom, not price. Borrowed
>>>> from Romance languages, it is used to specifically distinguish ...
>>>
>>> LibreOffice - Wikipedia
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice>
>>>
>>> LibreOffice vs OpenOffice — LibreOffice
>>> <https://www.libreoffice.org/libreoffice-vs-openoffice/>
>>
>> free means if you want, you could get the source, rewrite it
>> et do a another version of the software !
>> may be the name will be "caca version" because, a team is
>> 10000 peoples !
> 
> Compare "free as in speech" with "free as in beer".
> 
To me, "free as in speech" is ME being able to say whatever I want .... 
whereas with "free as in beer" that's someone wanting to get my 
attention to SELL me something (maybe a brand of beer!!).

Am I wrong??
-- 
Daniel70

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#88580

On 2026/7/1 11:28:50, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 1/07/2026 4:51 am, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2026-06-30, german newsgroups <usualsuspectrider@gmail.com> wrote:
[]
>>> free means if you want, you could get the source, rewrite it
>>> et do a another version of the software !
>>> may be the name will be "caca version" because, a team is
>>> 10000 peoples !
>>
>> Compare "free as in speech" with "free as in beer".
>>
> To me, "free as in speech" is ME being able to say whatever I want .... 
> whereas with "free as in beer" that's someone wanting to get my 
> attention to SELL me something (maybe a brand of beer!!).
> 
> Am I wrong??

In practice, yes.

The two "free"s are usually brought up in the context of software; that
which is "free as in speech", usually applied to open source, means you
are free to do whatever you want with it, including changing all sorts
of settings; it usually doesn't cost anything either, though sometimes
(e. g. some Linux distributions, AIUI) there is a minor charge for the
convenience; the point usually being made when the two "free"s are
brought up is that it's not cost that is the main freedom being
considered. Free as in beer would be software that's free to download
and use, but over which you may have little choice about how it works
(including settings), or even information on how it works - it usually
_isn't_ source-code available, for example. A _good_ (IMO) example of
free-as-in-beer software is IrfanView (for private use - though Irfan
does accept donations); there are plenty of bad examples, such as those
that include malware or at least ad.s and information-grathering (I
think many "app"s, and browser add-ons, are such). I'll leave others to
give examples of good (and bad - there must be some!) free-as-in-speech
softwares.
-- 
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Never be led astray onto the path of virtue.

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#88594

On 1/07/2026 10:20 pm, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/7/1 11:28:50, Daniel70 wrote:
>> On 1/07/2026 4:51 am, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2026-06-30, german newsgroups <usualsuspectrider@gmail.com> wrote:
> []
>>>> free means if you want, you could get the source, rewrite it
>>>> et do a another version of the software !
>>>> may be the name will be "caca version" because, a team is
>>>> 10000 peoples !
>>>
>>> Compare "free as in speech" with "free as in beer".
>>>
>> To me, "free as in speech" is ME being able to say whatever I want ....
>> whereas with "free as in beer" that's someone wanting to get my
>> attention to SELL me something (maybe a brand of beer!!).
>>
>> Am I wrong??
> 
> In practice, yes.
> 
> The two "free"s are usually brought up in the context of software; that
> which is "free as in speech", usually applied to open source, means you
> are free to do whatever you want with it, including changing all sorts
> of settings; it usually doesn't cost anything either, though sometimes
> (e. g. some Linux distributions, AIUI) there is a minor charge for the
> convenience; the point usually being made when the two "free"s are
> brought up is that it's not cost that is the main freedom being
> considered. Free as in beer would be software that's free to download
> and use, but over which you may have little choice about how it works
> (including settings), or even information on how it works - it usually
> _isn't_ source-code available, for example. A _good_ (IMO) example of
> free-as-in-beer software is IrfanView (for private use - though Irfan
> does accept donations); there are plenty of bad examples, such as those
> that include malware or at least ad.s and information-grathering (I
> think many "app"s, and browser add-ons, are such). I'll leave others to
> give examples of good (and bad - there must be some!) free-as-in-speech
> softwares.
> 
Gee Whiz!! Didn't I just type that?? More succinct, or explicit, maybe, 
but the same. ;-P
-- 
Daniel70

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#88597

On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 22:11:23 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:

> Gee Whiz!! Didn't I just type that?? More succinct, or explicit, maybe, 
> but the same. ;-P

The Four Freedoms:
<https://www.fsf.org/blogs/gnu-press/limited-time-only-get-our-new-four-freedoms-shirt-with-an-fsf-membership>

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#88606

On 3/07/2026 7:07 am, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 22:11:23 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
> 
>> Gee Whiz!! Didn't I just type that?? More succinct, or explicit, maybe,
>> but the same. ;-P
> 
> The Four Freedoms:
> <https://www.fsf.org/blogs/gnu-press/limited-time-only-get-our-new-four-freedoms-shirt-with-an-fsf-membership>
> 
Hmm! Lawrence, did you notice that that link is from Dec, 2017??

Our Freedoms ARE Gone, Man, GONE!! ;-P
-- 
Daniel70

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#88602

On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 22:11:23 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:

> Gee Whiz!! Didn't I just type that?? More succinct, or explicit,
> maybe, but the same. ;-P

The Four Freedoms:
<https://fsfe.org/freesoftware/freesoftware.en.html>.

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