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Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released

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From Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net>
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Subject Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released
Date 15 Dec 2025 01:14:22 GMT
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On 2025-12-15, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On 15 Dec 2025 00:41:17 GMT, Robert Riches wrote:
>
>> If by that you mean that Linux has more-or-less unified the
>> mainstream, I'll wait to pass judgement until I see how much damage
>> the systemd Trojan horse and Wayla[ni]d do.
>
> I don’t know why you see them as causing “damage”. People only use
> them because they are better than the alternatives -- and those who
> disagree continue to use something else.

For systemd, by "damage" I mean the first test VM I did with
(IIRC) Mageia 2 where the freshly installed system hung during
boot, then after several minutes systemd timed out everything,
and the system came up on a zombie-like state.  Some of the RAIDs
had assembled, but some had not.  The default package list had
not installed the tool necessary to decrypt the binary journal.
I also mean the many reports of legitimate bug reports being
summarily closed as "will not fix".  Devuan works quite nicely
for me.

For Wayla[ni]d, I mean the reported throwing of network
transparency (and perhaps other important use cases) out with the
bathwater and some credible-sounding reports that it is not now
and will probably never be ready for prime time.

> Linux is all about choice.

Fully agree!

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-12-09 11:18 +0000
  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-09 23:30 +0000
    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-09 23:58 +0000
      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-10 10:30 +0100
        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 05:16 -0500
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:23 +0000
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-10 12:18 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 22:34 -0500
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-12-11 12:13 +0000
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 03:17 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 01:06 -0500
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 22:22 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-12-12 09:59 -0500
        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:21 +0000
        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-10 11:35 +0000
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 12:35 +0000
        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-10 08:58 -0800
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 17:17 +0000
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 01:03 -0500
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:43 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-11 12:15 +0100
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:44 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 22:50 -0500
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                Re: Freighters rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 19:33 +0000
                Re: Freighters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 13:24 +0100
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 12:43 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2025-12-13 15:17 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released bonkmaykr <bonkyboo@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-13 09:30 -0600
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-12-13 10:46 -0500
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2025-12-13 16:02 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 16:08 +0000
        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 12:27 +0000
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 23:46 +0100
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 02:05 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-14 11:33 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 20:25 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-12-15 01:31 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-15 10:43 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 01:06 +0100
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 03:41 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-12-15 03:49 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 04:05 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-17 23:46 +0100
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 22:14 -0500
      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-10 23:58 +0000
    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:19 +0000
      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:45 -0600
        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-11 04:06 +0000
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 01:25 -0500
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:38 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 22:36 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:41 -0500
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 08:15 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 22:36 -0500
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:45 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 19:59 +0000
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:28 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-15 00:41 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:45 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-15 01:14 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 02:59 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-15 03:41 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 04:46 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-16 04:17 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 21:52 +0000
        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 00:07 -0500

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