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On 2014-06-11, Rahul <nospam@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote in 
> news:sh6m6bxnml.ln2@goaway.wombat.san-francisco.ca.us:
>
>> No, I didn't feel an 'f'.  :)
>
> Damn my fast fingers. :)
>
>
>> Sure, I was a little concerned about moving from LILO to GRUB.  But when
>> I tried it and it didn't cause any problems I just did it.  I am trying
>> to have the same attitude with systemd: I am going to try it before I
>> say "yech".  And if I do say "yech", I'll make sure I know why.
>
> Yes, there's that. OTOH, there's some things common to systemd / grub2 etc. 
> that makes me loathe them: 
>
> (1) They all look like solutions in search of a problem. I really wasn't 
> feeling a functionality constraint in initd, grub, syslog etc. Do I really 
> care if the system boots a tiny bit faster if at all. 

Actually systemd looks like a "solution" looking for problems to create. 
It is obscure. It is cumbersome. It makes altering things hard. 
The log files are databases, which means that unless  you have a
database (journalctl) reader around, they are impossible to read. 
It demands that other things comply with it, rather than the other way
around (eg the demand that /usr and all its tree be mounted on boot).

I have found myself at the pointy end of too many boot crashes. 


>
> (2) Take syslog. Enhancements that rsyslog offered I'm far more receptive 
> to. The transition was seamless, the external interface was more or less 
> preserved. The alternative was lightweight and only improved upon the 
> predecessor in small ways where needed. 
>
> (3) As opposed to that most of this systemd stuff seems bloated. Those 
> settings files and scripts are a monstroiety. They seem to be straying away 

Many are not compiled programs rather than scripts. 

> from the great Linux philosophy of having simple, easy to use files & short  
> command names etc. systemd seems to be adding layers to ostinsebly hide 
> complexity but which in fact makes dealing with the system worse. 
>
> Yes, try it but I feel very disinclined to see any good in them. 

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      Re: hardware upgrade comment Rahul <nospam@invalid.invalid> - 2014-06-11 07:36 +0000
        Re: hardware upgrade comment Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2014-06-11 07:43 -0700
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