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Re: CLASS in Europe and America

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On 10/08/2026 04:59, c186282 wrote:
> On 8/9/26 10:10, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>> On 2026-08-08 17:54, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 8/8/26 03:03, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> On 2026-08-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>     The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're
>>>>>     tech-savvy. Bear that in mind.
>>>>
>>>> Some of them are in the USA itself.  Can you say "tech oligarchs"?
>>>>
>>>> Unless you define "USA" as the oligarchs themselves, of course.
>>>
>>>    Nah, USA isn't that 'simple' - and too volatile.
>>>    The rich become poor and the poor become rich
>>>    too easily, too often, in the USA to sustain
>>>    a traditional oligarchy. It's easier in Europe
>>>    with its more rigid/established classes.
>>
>> As an immigrant from Europe (Denmark) I see much more class 
>> entrenchment in the USA than in the parts of Europe that I am 
>> intimately familar with. Americans TELL themselves (or each other) 
>> that they have high social mobility, but it is FAR easier to start a 
>> new business in most of Europe. Universal health care is one huge reason.
> 
>    The UK is still probably THE worst in the
>    vicinity about 'class'. You're either "born
>    to" whatever or you'll get squeezed out,
>    never be seen as a real "peer".
> 
I see you have never visited

>    It MAY be easier to start a biz in the EU. Never
>    looked into the details. However I do keep seeing
>    news from the EU about smaller biz collapsing
>    under huge tax and regulatory burdens. So "start",
>    maybe easier, "keep", not so much.
> 
>    And you don't have to own a biz to "get ahead".
>    Just don't spend every coin you earn as fast as
>    you earn it. Persistence in a large biz tends
>    to pay off as well - alas Gen-Z/A2 don't seem
>    to GRASP that. If they're not CEO in six months
>    they jump ship and start over, and over, and over ...
> 
>    Anyway, USA is about "opportunity" - IF you can
>    spot it. The original "old money" crowd is pretty
>    weak and thus things change fast.
> 
>    "Old money" - grandpa MAKES it, the kids SURF
>    on it and the grand-kids BLOW it all. That's
>    the normal cycle in USA.
> 

No class at all.

-- 
"Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and 
higher education positively fortifies it."

    - Stephen Vizinczey

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