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Bad combination of scanner and motherboard?

Started byPeter Chant <pete@petezilla.co.uk>
First post2013-12-28 12:03 +0000
Last post2013-12-28 21:23 +0000
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  Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? Peter Chant <pete@petezilla.co.uk> - 2013-12-28 12:03 +0000
    Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? philo  <philo@privacy.net> - 2013-12-28 07:07 -0600
      Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? Peter Chant <pete@petezilla.co.uk> - 2013-12-28 15:42 +0000
        Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? philo  <philo@privacy.net> - 2013-12-28 10:18 -0600
          Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2013-12-28 16:47 +0000
            Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? Peter Chant <pete@petezilla.co.uk> - 2013-12-28 21:22 +0000
              Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? philo  <philo@privacy.net> - 2013-12-28 16:04 -0600
                Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? Peter Chant <pete@petezilla.co.uk> - 2013-12-29 00:29 +0000
              Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.Carlqvist@deadspam.com> - 2013-12-29 12:15 +0000
                Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? Peter Chant <pete@petezilla.co.uk> - 2013-12-29 12:50 +0000
                Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? Peter Chant <pete@petezilla.co.uk> - 2013-12-29 13:05 +0000
                  Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.Carlqvist@deadspam.com> - 2013-12-29 17:35 +0000
                    Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? Peter Chant <pete@petezilla.co.uk> - 2013-12-29 21:00 +0000
                      Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? philo  <philo@privacy.net> - 2013-12-29 15:02 -0600
                        Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.Carlqvist@deadspam.com> - 2013-12-30 00:18 +0000
                          Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? philo  <philo@privacy.net> - 2013-12-29 18:26 -0600
                            Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? Peter Chant <pete@petezilla.co.uk> - 2013-12-30 10:46 +0000
                          Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? Pascal Hambourg <boite-a-spam@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2013-12-31 20:09 +0100
                            Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? Peter Chant <pete@petezilla.co.uk> - 2014-01-01 22:46 +0000
                              Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.Carlqvist@deadspam.com> - 2014-01-02 15:47 +0000
                                Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? Peter Chant <pete@petezilla.co.uk> - 2014-01-03 21:50 +0000
                                  Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? margaretict@googlemail.com - 2014-01-29 02:25 -0800
    Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? Allodoxaphobia <knock_yourself_out@example.net> - 2013-12-28 18:47 +0000
      Re: Bad combination of scanner and motherboard? Peter Chant <pete@petezilla.co.uk> - 2013-12-28 21:23 +0000

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#2169

FromPeter Chant <pete@petezilla.co.uk>
Date2014-01-03 21:50 +0000
Message-ID<eunjpaxjrd.ln2@phoenix.fire>
In reply to#2168
On 01/02/2014 03:47 PM, Henrik Carlqvist wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Jan 2014 22:46:19 +0000, Peter Chant wrote:
>> Either way, I've tried a Y cable on the PC to give more power that way -
>> to no avail.  Did not try it with the hub.  Suspect it is a
>> firmware/chipset clash somewhere.
> 
> Too bad. I haven't heard of any such clash before, but I have seen some 
> USB 3 ports being capable of totally hanging the machine when used.
> 
> Sorry that we were not able to solve your problem.
> 

Thank you for your time, it is appreciated.  I only posted here when I
though I'd exchausted all avenues.

> One final test which will not solve your problem: Does the scanner work 
> when connected to the computer where it has previously worked, but with 
> the USB hub between the computer and the scanner?
> 

Not tried that.  Scanner currently at parents - I'll pick it up soonish
as it is doing no good there.

> If not, it might instead of a current problem be a voltage problem, but 
> that problem cannot be solved with a Y-cable. Maybe it would be possible 
> to solve with another hub or another power supply for the hub.
> 

Hmm.  Only have the one powered hub!  If it is a voltage issue seems odd
to have bad luck with both the PC and the hub.  However, trying the hub
with a PC that it has worked with might chase down any hub issues.

> If the scanner still works on the working computer with the hub connected 
> it might be a chipset clash as you say, or possibly some software 
> difference between the machines which has been overlooked.

If not firmware perhaps UDEV, it seems not to be giving correct
permissions to the device via /dev/bus/???/??? but then root is having
no more luck with scanimage -L.  I'mm going to look through my bit box
to see if I have any spare PCI/usb cards to see if that affects
anything.  Not sure whether I have any spare or whether new PC as any
standard PCI slots!

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#2229

Frommargaretict@googlemail.com
Date2014-01-29 02:25 -0800
Message-ID<3122caf6-1222-4159-9468-af90ebf4c8f5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#2169
On Friday, January 3, 2014 9:50:38 PM UTC, Peter Chant wrote:
> On 01/02/2014 03:47 PM, Henrik Carlqvist wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 01 Jan 2014 22:46:19 +0000, Peter Chant wrote:
> 
> >> Either way, I've tried a Y cable on the PC to give more power that way -
> 
> >> to no avail.  Did not try it with the hub.  Suspect it is a
> 
> >> firmware/chipset clash somewhere.
> 
> > 
> 
> > Too bad. I haven't heard of any such clash before, but I have seen some 
> 
> > USB 3 ports being capable of totally hanging the machine when used.
> 
> > 
> 
> > Sorry that we were not able to solve your problem.
> 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for your time, it is appreciated.  I only posted here when I
> 
> though I'd exchausted all avenues.
> 
> 
> 
> > One final test which will not solve your problem: Does the scanner work 
> 
> > when connected to the computer where it has previously worked, but with 
> 
> > the USB hub between the computer and the scanner?
> 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Not tried that.  Scanner currently at parents - I'll pick it up soonish
> 
> as it is doing no good there.
> 
> 
> 
> > If not, it might instead of a current problem be a voltage problem, but 
> 
> > that problem cannot be solved with a Y-cable. Maybe it would be possible 
> 
> > to solve with another hub or another power supply for the hub.
> 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Hmm.  Only have the one powered hub!  If it is a voltage issue seems odd
> 
> to have bad luck with both the PC and the hub.  However, trying the hub
> 
> with a PC that it has worked with might chase down any hub issues.
> 
> 
> 
> > If the scanner still works on the working computer with the hub connected 
> 
> > it might be a chipset clash as you say, or possibly some software 
> 
> > difference between the machines which has been overlooked.
> 
> 
> 
> If not firmware perhaps UDEV, it seems not to be giving correct
> 
> permissions to the device via /dev/bus/???/??? but then root is having
> 
> no more luck with scanimage -L.  I'mm going to look through my bit box
> 
> to see if I have any spare PCI/usb cards to see if that affects
> 
> anything.  Not sure whether I have any spare or whether new PC as any
> 
> standard PCI slots!

Probably after the fact this one- however- had similar problem with my scanner. Canon would only work when directly connected to the USB socket in my laptop but not via hub- On my desk top had 3 types of USB - front ones I have always found to be unreliable so do not use them, the back ones that are inbuilt have limited power. The best ones are from an ISA card and they seem to be the ones that have the most power. I also saw a powered Hub on a web site for £20.

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#2152

FromAllodoxaphobia <knock_yourself_out@example.net>
Date2013-12-28 18:47 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlbu754.2h60.knock_yourself_out@vps.jonz.net>
In reply to#2147
On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 12:03:35 +0000, Peter Chant wrote:
>
> Epsom scanner works first time on all machines.

  ... and good for relaxing the motherboard bus and drawing 
  toxins from the cache memory.

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#2154

FromPeter Chant <pete@petezilla.co.uk>
Date2013-12-28 21:23 +0000
Message-ID<bi8tfpFbco9U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#2152
On 12/28/2013 06:47 PM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 12:03:35 +0000, Peter Chant wrote:
>>
>> Epsom scanner works first time on all machines.
>
>    ... and good for relaxing the motherboard bus and drawing
>    toxins from the cache memory.
>

That explains it, whereas a Canon perforates the motherboard and also 
the building it is housed in...

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