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"Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."?

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  "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2011-11-05 23:39 -0700
    Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-11-06 12:04 +0000
      Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? Christian Franke <Christian.Franke@t-online.de> - 2011-11-06 18:54 +0100
        Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2011-11-07 14:13 -0600
          Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2011-11-07 23:10 -0800
            Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? Bill Marcum <bill@lat.localnet> - 2011-11-09 11:42 -0500
              Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2011-11-10 06:36 -0800
    Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-11-07 06:33 +1100
    Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? (thanks!) Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2011-11-06 12:19 -0800
    Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? philo <philo@invalid.not> - 2011-11-06 20:40 -0600
      Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2011-11-07 12:57 +0000
      Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.org (GMAN) - 2011-11-07 15:26 +0000
        Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2011-11-07 15:32 +0000
          Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2011-11-07 07:39 -0800
            Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2011-11-07 16:17 +0000
              Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2011-11-07 08:33 -0800
              Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? Kevin Snodgrass <kdsnodgrass@yahoo.com> - 2011-11-07 19:01 +0000
                Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2011-11-07 20:20 +0000
                  Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2011-11-07 14:27 -0600
                    Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2011-11-08 10:17 +0000
                      Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2011-11-09 05:53 -0800
                        Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2011-11-09 15:03 +0000
                          Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2011-11-10 06:30 -0800
              Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.org (GMAN) - 2011-11-07 19:30 +0000
        Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2011-11-07 07:37 -0800
      Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2011-11-07 14:02 -0600

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#764 — "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."?

From	Ant <ant@zimage.comANT>
Date	2011-11-05 23:39 -0700
Subject	"Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."?
Message-ID	<L-6dnVJjDMsKtivTnZ2dnUVZ_r0AAAAA@earthlink.com>

Hi.

Is this error something to worry about quickly (will have to buy a new 
HDD if it is urgent. but they are expensive due to Thailand's flood :()?

Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:58:13 -0700
From: root
To: root
Subject: SMART error (Usage) detected on host: FooBar

This email was generated by the smartd daemon running on:

    host name: FooBar
   DNS domain: localdomain
   NIS domain: (none)

The following warning/error was logged by the smartd daemon:

Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours.

For details see host's SYSLOG.

You can also use the smartctl utility for further investigation.
Another email message will be sent in 24 hours if the problem persists.


Syslog showed:
# cat /var/log/syslog |grep smart
Nov  5 13:04:35 FooBar smartd[2815]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART 
Prefailure Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 58 to 57
Nov  5 13:04:35 FooBar smartd[2815]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage 
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 36 to 35
Nov  5 13:04:35 FooBar smartd[2815]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage 
Attribute: 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered changed from 58 to 57
Nov  5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: smartd 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365 
[i686-linux-2.6.32-5-686] (local build)
Nov  5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce 
Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
Nov  5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Opened configuration file 
/etc/smartd.conf
Nov  5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Drive: DEVICESCAN, implied '-a' 
Directive on line 21 of file /etc/smartd.conf
Nov  5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Configuration file /etc/smartd.conf 
was parsed, found DEVICESCAN, scanning devices
Nov  5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda, type changed from 
'scsi' to 'sat'
Nov  5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], opened
Nov  5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], ST380011A, 
S/N:4JV5P7LN, FW:8.01, 80.0 GB
Nov  5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], found in 
smartd database.
Nov  5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], is SMART 
capable. Adding to "monitor" list.
Nov  5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], state read 
from /var/lib/smartmontools/smartd.ST380011A-4JV5P7LN.ata.state
Nov  5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb, type changed from 
'scsi' to 'sat'
Nov  5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], opened
Nov  5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], QUANTUM 
FIREBALLP LM15, S/N:183006136328, FW:A35.0700, 15.0 GB
Nov  5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], found in 
smartd database.
Nov  5 13:28:11 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], is SMART 
capable. Adding to "monitor" list.
Nov  5 13:28:11 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], state read 
from 
/var/lib/smartmontools/smartd.QUANTUM_FIREBALLP_LM15-183006136328.ata.state
Nov  5 13:28:11 FooBar smartd[2784]: Monitoring 2 ATA and 0 SCSI devices
Nov  5 13:28:11 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage 
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 35 to 36
Nov  5 13:28:12 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], state 
written to /var/lib/smartmontools/smartd.ST380011A-4JV5P7LN.ata.state
Nov  5 13:28:12 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], state 
written to 
/var/lib/smartmontools/smartd.QUANTUM_FIREBALLP_LM15-183006136328.ata.state
Nov  5 13:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: smartd has fork()ed into background 
mode. New PID=2786.
Nov  5 13:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: file /var/run/smartd.pid written 
containing PID 2786
Nov  5 14:28:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage 
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 36 to 34
Nov  5 14:58:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage 
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 34 to 36
Nov  5 15:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage 
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 36 to 37
Nov  5 16:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage 
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 37 to 38
Nov  5 16:58:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage 
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 38 to 35
Nov  5 17:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage 
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 35 to 37
Nov  5 18:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage 
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 37 to 38
Nov  5 19:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage 
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 38 to 36
Nov  5 20:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage 
Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours changed from 44 to 43
Nov  5 20:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage 
Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 36 to 37
Nov  5 22:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], Failed 
SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours.
Nov  5 22:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Sending warning via 
/usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner to root ...
Nov  5 22:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Warning via 
/usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner to root: successful
Nov  5 22:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], SMART Usage 
Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours changed from 2 to 1

This timing seems/appears to be related to my earlier reboot (did not 
power off) of this very old 2005's Debian box due its yesterday's Kernel 
v2.6.32-5-686 upgrade (not version, just its package with fixes). I had 
no problems with the reboot (but wasn't looking at its screen though).


I ran its detail reports before doing an extended self-test:
# smartctl -a /dev/sdb
smartctl 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365 [i686-linux-2.6.32-5-686] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Quantum Fireball Plus LM
Device Model:     QUANTUM FIREBALLP LM15
Serial Number:    183006136328
Firmware Version: A35.0700
User Capacity:    15,020,457,984 bytes [15.0 GB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   5
ATA Standard is:  ATA/ATAPI-5 T13 1321D revision 1
Local Time is:    Sat Nov  5 23:05:31 2011 PDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
See vendor-specific Attribute list for marginal Attributes.

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x80) Offline data collection activity
                                         was never started.
                                         Auto Offline Data Collection: 
Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0) The previous self-test routine 
completed
                                         without error or no self-test 
has ever
                                         been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:                (   46) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:                    (0x1b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                                         Auto Offline data collection 
on/off support.
                                         Suspend Offline collection upon new
                                         command.
                                         Offline surface scan supported.
                                         Self-test supported.
                                         No Conveyance Self-test supported.
                                         No Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
                                         power-saving mode.
                                         Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
                                         No General Purpose Logging support.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (  13) minutes.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 11
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE 
UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
   1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x0029   100   253   020    Pre-fail 
Offline      -       0
   3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0027   078   063   020    Pre-fail 
Always       -       2828
   4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   097   097   008    Old_age 
Always       -       2392
   5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   020    Pre-fail 
Always       -       0
   7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000b   100   100   023    Pre-fail 
Always       -       0
   9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012   001   001   001    Old_age 
Always   FAILING_NOW 64880
  10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0026   100   100   020    Old_age 
Always       -       0
  11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0013   100   100   020    Pre-fail 
Always       -       0
  12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   097   097   008    Old_age 
Always       -       2278
  13 Read_Soft_Error_Rate    0x000b   100   100   023    Pre-fail 
Always       -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x001a   200   200   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       0
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0010   100   100   020    Old_age 
Offline      -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always 
       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   253   000    Old_age 
Offline      -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 0
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 0
Warning: ATA Specification requires self-test log structure revision 
number = 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining 
LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     63409 
      -
# 2  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     58068 
      -
# 3  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     54663 
      -
# 4  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     53303 
      -
# 5  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     46603 
      -
# 6  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     15067 
      -
# 7  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     13222 
      -
# 8  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     13218 
      -
# 9  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      8391 
      -
#10  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      8391 
      -

Device does not support Selective Self Tests/Logging


So I decided to run gsmartcontrol v5.41 (GUI version of smartctl) and it 
also marked Power_On_Hours as a problem. I ran a long test and it 
started with loud noises (a fan/motor or something spinning?) for about 
30 seconds. That doesn't sound good to me. Anyways, here is the report 
after the long test which said no errors/problems:

# smartctl -a /dev/sdb
smartctl 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365 [i686-linux-2.6.32-5-686] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Quantum Fireball Plus LM
Device Model:     QUANTUM FIREBALLP LM15
Serial Number:    183006136328
Firmware Version: A35.0700
User Capacity:    15,020,457,984 bytes [15.0 GB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   5
ATA Standard is:  ATA/ATAPI-5 T13 1321D revision 1
Local Time is:    Sat Nov  5 23:36:57 2011 PDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
See vendor-specific Attribute list for marginal Attributes.

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x80) Offline data collection activity
                                         was never started.
                                         Auto Offline Data Collection: 
Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0) The previous self-test routine 
completed
                                         without error or no self-test 
has ever
                                         been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:                (   46) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:                    (0x1b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                                         Auto Offline data collection 
on/off support.
                                         Suspend Offline collection upon new
                                         command.
                                         Offline surface scan supported.
                                         Self-test supported.
                                         No Conveyance Self-test supported.
                                         No Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
                                         power-saving mode.
                                         Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
                                         No General Purpose Logging support.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (  13) minutes.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 11
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE 
UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
   1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x0029   100   253   020    Pre-fail 
Offline      -       0
   3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0027   078   063   020    Pre-fail 
Always       -       2828
   4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   097   097   008    Old_age 
Always       -       2392
   5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   020    Pre-fail 
Always       -       0
   7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000b   100   100   023    Pre-fail 
Always       -       0
   9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012   001   001   001    Old_age 
Always   FAILING_NOW 64880
  10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0026   100   100   020    Old_age 
Always       -       0
  11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0013   100   100   020    Pre-fail 
Always       -       0
  12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   097   097   008    Old_age 
Always       -       2278
  13 Read_Soft_Error_Rate    0x000b   100   100   023    Pre-fail 
Always       -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x001a   200   200   000    Old_age   Always 
       -       0
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0010   100   100   020    Old_age 
Offline      -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always 
       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   253   000    Old_age 
Offline      -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 0
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 0
Warning: ATA Specification requires self-test log structure revision 
number = 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining 
LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     64880 
      -
# 2  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     63409 
      -
# 3  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     58068 
      -
# 4  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     54663 
      -
# 5  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     53303 
      -
# 6  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     46603 
      -
# 7  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     15067 
      -
# 8  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     13222 
      -
# 9  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     13218 
      -
#10  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      8391 
      -
#11  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      8391 
      -

Device does not support Selective Self Tests/Logging


Thank you in advance. :)
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#765

From	Arno <me@privacy.net>
Date	2011-11-06 12:04 +0000
Message-ID	<9hnbdlFj3jU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#764

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
> Hi.

> Is this error something to worry about quickly (will have to buy a new 
> HDD if it is urgent. but they are expensive due to Thailand's flood :()?

> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:58:13 -0700
> From: root
> To: root
> Subject: SMART error (Usage) detected on host: FooBar

> This email was generated by the smartd daemon running on:

>    host name: FooBar
>   DNS domain: localdomain
>   NIS domain: (none)

> The following warning/error was logged by the smartd daemon:

> Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours.

> For details see host's SYSLOG.

> You can also use the smartctl utility for further investigation.
> Another email message will be sent in 24 hours if the problem persists.

Don't worry. This means the drive manufacturer thinks it is about 
time that you buy a new one, but otherwise the drive is fine.

This is a pure uptime count that expires when a pre-set 
usage time is reached.

Arno
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#766

From	Christian Franke <Christian.Franke@t-online.de>
Date	2011-11-06 18:54 +0100
Message-ID	<4EB6C9DF.6010607@t-online.de>
In reply to	#765

Arno wrote:
> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Ant<...>  wrote:
> ...
>
>> Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours.
>
>> For details see host's SYSLOG.
>
>> You can also use the smartctl utility for further investigation.
>> Another email message will be sent in 24 hours if the problem persists.
>

You can add '-i 9' to the smartd.conf entry for this device to suppress 
future warning mails.

Smartd reported the failed attribute because VALUE <= THRESH:

ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  ... VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE ... WHEN_FAILED RAW...
...
.9 Power_On_Hours   ... 001   001   001    Old_age  FAILING_NOW 64880

> Don't worry. This means the drive manufacturer thinks it is about
> time that you buy a new one, but otherwise the drive is fine.
>
> This is a pure uptime count that expires when a pre-set
> usage time is reached.
>

Yes. Other attributes look good, even after 64880 hours (7+ years) 
uptime :-)

Many recent drives return threshold 0 for Power_On_Hours and all other 
usage ("Old_age") attributes which means that these would never "fail".

Christian

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#780

From	ANTant@zimage.com (Ant)
Date	2011-11-07 14:13 -0600
Message-ID	<CcSdnfUbN7B7piXTnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to	#766

> >> Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours.
> >
> >> For details see host's SYSLOG.
> >
> >> You can also use the smartctl utility for further investigation.
> >> Another email message will be sent in 24 hours if the problem persists.

> You can add '-i 9' to the smartd.conf entry for this device to suppress 
> future warning mails.

OK. I just got another e-mail about it this morning. I assume it will
keep doing that daily until I stop using that old school IDE/PATA HDD.
:( So, I will tell it to stop telling me about it then. 

Do I just add "/dev/sdb -i 9" line (without quotation marks) to the 
bottom of my /etc/smartd.conf file? I am not sure if that is correct or 
not. :)
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#786

From	Ant <ant@zimage.comANT>
Date	2011-11-07 23:10 -0800
Message-ID	<M_ydnYfNHtZSSCXTnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to	#780

On 11/7/2011 12:13 PM PT, Ant typed:

>>>> Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours.
>>>> For details see host's SYSLOG.
>>>> You can also use the smartctl utility for further investigation.
>>>> Another email message will be sent in 24 hours if the problem persists.
>
>> You can add '-i 9' to the smartd.conf entry for this device to suppress
>> future warning mails.
>
> OK. I just got another e-mail about it this morning. I assume it will
> keep doing that daily until I stop using that old school IDE/PATA HDD.
> :( So, I will tell it to stop telling me about it then.
>
> Do I just add "/dev/sdb -i 9" line (without quotation marks) to the
> bottom of my /etc/smartd.conf file? I am not sure if that is correct or
> not. :)

Hmm, that didn't work and I just got another e-mail about it. Here's 
what my smartd.conf file looks like in case I did it wrong or whatever:

$ cat /etc/smartd.conf
# Sample configuration file for smartd.  See man smartd.conf.

# Home page is: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

# smartd will re-read the configuration file if it receives a HUP
# signal

# The file gives a list of devices to monitor using smartd, with one
# device per line. Text after a hash (#) is ignored, and you may use
# spaces and tabs for white space. You may use '\' to continue lines.

# You can usually identify which hard disks are on your system by
# looking in /proc/ide and in /proc/scsi.

# The word DEVICESCAN will cause any remaining lines in this
# configuration file to be ignored: it tells smartd to scan for all
# ATA and SCSI devices.  DEVICESCAN may be followed by any of the
# Directives listed below, which will be applied to all devices that
# are found.  Most users should comment out DEVICESCAN and explicitly
# list the devices that they wish to monitor.
DEVICESCAN -d removable -n standby -m root -M exec 
/usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner

# Alternative setting to ignore temperature and power-on hours reports
# in syslog.
#DEVICESCAN -I 194 -I 231 -I 9

# Alternative setting to report more useful raw temperature in syslog.
#DEVICESCAN -R 194 -R 231 -I 9

# Alternative setting to report raw temperature changes >= 5 Celsius
# and min/max temperatures.
#DEVICESCAN -I 194 -I 231 -I 9 -W 5

# First (primary) ATA/IDE hard disk.  Monitor all attributes, enable
# automatic online data collection, automatic Attribute autosave, and
# start a short self-test every day between 2-3am, and a long self test
# Saturdays between 3-4am.
#/dev/hda -a -o on -S on -s (S/../.././02|L/../../6/03)

# Monitor SMART status, ATA Error Log, Self-test log, and track
# changes in all attributes except for attribute 194
#/dev/hdb -H -l error -l selftest -t -I 194

# Monitor all attributes except normalized Temperature (usually 194),
# but track Temperature changes >= 4 Celsius, report Temperatures
# >= 45 Celsius and changes in Raw value of Reallocated_Sector_Ct (5).
# Send mail on SMART failures or when Temperature is >= 55 Celsius.
#/dev/hdc -a -I 194 -W 4,45,55 -R 5 -m admin@example.com

# An ATA disk may appear as a SCSI device to the OS. If a SCSI to
# ATA Translation (SAT) layer is between the OS and the device then
# this can be flagged with the '-d sat' option. This situation may
# become common with SATA disks in SAS and FC environments.
# /dev/sda -a -d sat

# A very silent check.  Only report SMART health status if it fails
# But send an email in this case
#/dev/hdc -H -C 0 -U 0 -m admin@example.com

# First two SCSI disks.  This will monitor everything that smartd can
# monitor.  Start extended self-tests Wednesdays between 6-7pm and
# Sundays between 1-2 am
#/dev/sda -d scsi -s L/../../3/18
#/dev/sdb -d scsi -s L/../../7/01

# Monitor 4 ATA disks connected to a 3ware 6/7/8000 controller which uses
# the 3w-xxxx driver. Start long self-tests Sundays between 1-2, 2-3, 3-4,
# and 4-5 am.
# NOTE: starting with the Linux 2.6 kernel series, the /dev/sdX interface
# is DEPRECATED.  Use the /dev/tweN character device interface instead.
# For example /dev/twe0, /dev/twe1, and so on.
#/dev/sdc -d 3ware,0 -a -s L/../../7/01
#/dev/sdc -d 3ware,1 -a -s L/../../7/02
#/dev/sdc -d 3ware,2 -a -s L/../../7/03
#/dev/sdc -d 3ware,3 -a -s L/../../7/04

# Monitor 2 ATA disks connected to a 3ware 9000 controller which
# uses the 3w-9xxx driver (Linux, FreeBSD). Start long self-tests Tuesdays
# between 1-2 and 3-4 am.
#/dev/twa0 -d 3ware,0 -a -s L/../../2/01
#/dev/twa0 -d 3ware,1 -a -s L/../../2/03

# Monitor 2 SATA (not SAS) disks connected to a 3ware 9000 controller which
# uses the 3w-sas driver (Linux, FreeBSD). Start long self-tests Tuesdays
# between 1-2 and 3-4 am.
#/dev/twl0 -d 3ware,0 -a -s L/../../2/01
#/dev/twa0 -d 3ware,1 -a -s L/../../2/03

# Same as above for Windows. Option '-d 3ware,N' is not necessary,
# disk (port) number is specified in device name.
# NOTE: On Windows, DEVICESCAN works also for 3ware controllers.
#/dev/hdc,0 -a -s L/../../2/01
#/dev/hdc,1 -a -s L/../../2/03
#
# Monitor 2 disks connected to the first HP SmartArray controller which
# uses the cciss driver. Start long tests on Sunday nights and short
# self-tests every night and send errors to root
#/dev/cciss/c0d0 -d cciss,0 -a -s (L/../../7/02|S/../.././02) -m root
#/dev/cciss/c0d0 -d cciss,1 -a -s (L/../../7/03|S/../.././03) -m root

# Monitor 3 ATA disks directly connected to a HighPoint RocketRAID. 
Start long
# self-tests Sundays between 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4 am.
#/dev/sdd -d hpt,1/1 -a -s L/../../7/01
#/dev/sdd -d hpt,1/2 -a -s L/../../7/02
#/dev/sdd -d hpt,1/3 -a -s L/../../7/03

# Monitor 2 ATA disks connected to the same PMPort which connected to the
# HighPoint RocketRAID. Start long self-tests Tuesdays between 1-2 and 
3-4 am
#/dev/sdd -d hpt,1/4/1 -a -s L/../../2/01
#/dev/sdd -d hpt,1/4/2 -a -s L/../../2/03

# HERE IS A LIST OF DIRECTIVES FOR THIS CONFIGURATION FILE.
# PLEASE SEE THE smartd.conf MAN PAGE FOR DETAILS
#
#   -d TYPE Set the device type: ata, scsi, marvell, removable, 3ware,N, 
hpt,L/M/N
#   -T TYPE set the tolerance to one of: normal, permissive
#   -o VAL  Enable/disable automatic offline tests (on/off)
#   -S VAL  Enable/disable attribute autosave (on/off)
#   -n MODE No check. MODE is one of: never, sleep, standby, idle
#   -H      Monitor SMART Health Status, report if failed
#   -l TYPE Monitor SMART log.  Type is one of: error, selftest
#   -f      Monitor for failure of any 'Usage' Attributes
#   -m ADD  Send warning email to ADD for -H, -l error, -l selftest, and -f
#   -M TYPE Modify email warning behavior (see man page)
#   -s REGE Start self-test when type/date matches regular expression 
(see man page)
#   -p      Report changes in 'Prefailure' Normalized Attributes
#   -u      Report changes in 'Usage' Normalized Attributes
#   -t      Equivalent to -p and -u Directives
#   -r ID   Also report Raw values of Attribute ID with -p, -u or -t
#   -R ID   Track changes in Attribute ID Raw value with -p, -u or -t
#   -i ID   Ignore Attribute ID for -f Directive
#   -I ID   Ignore Attribute ID for -p, -u or -t Directive
#   -C ID   Report if Current Pending Sector count non-zero
#   -U ID   Report if Offline Uncorrectable count non-zero
#   -W D,I,C Monitor Temperature D)ifference, I)nformal limit, C)ritical 
limit
#   -v N,ST Modifies labeling of Attribute N (see man page)
#   -a      Default: equivalent to -H -f -t -l error -l selftest -C 197 
-U 198
#   -F TYPE Use firmware bug workaround. Type is one of: none, samsung
#   -P TYPE Drive-specific presets: use, ignore, show, showall
#    #      Comment: text after a hash sign is ignored
#    \      Line continuation character
# Attribute ID is a decimal integer 1 <= ID <= 255
# except for -C and -U, where ID = 0 turns them off.
# All but -d, -m and -M Directives are only implemented for ATA devices
#
# If the test string DEVICESCAN is the first uncommented text
# then smartd will scan for devices /dev/hd[a-l] and /dev/sd[a-z]
# DEVICESCAN may be followed by any desired Directives.

/dev/sdb -i 9
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#797

From	Bill Marcum <bill@lat.localnet>
Date	2011-11-09 11:42 -0500
Message-ID	<75nqo8-ru7.ln1@lat.localnet>
In reply to	#786

On 2011-11-08, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> On 11/7/2011 12:13 PM PT, Ant typed:
>
>>>>> Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours.
>>>>> For details see host's SYSLOG.
>>>>> You can also use the smartctl utility for further investigation.
>>>>> Another email message will be sent in 24 hours if the problem persists.
>>
>>> You can add '-i 9' to the smartd.conf entry for this device to suppress
>>> future warning mails.
>>
>> OK. I just got another e-mail about it this morning. I assume it will
>> keep doing that daily until I stop using that old school IDE/PATA HDD.
>> :( So, I will tell it to stop telling me about it then.
>>
>> Do I just add "/dev/sdb -i 9" line (without quotation marks) to the
>> bottom of my /etc/smartd.conf file? I am not sure if that is correct or
>> not. :)
>
> Hmm, that didn't work and I just got another e-mail about it. Here's 
> what my smartd.conf file looks like in case I did it wrong or whatever:
>
As it says in the file, you need to comment out the DEVICESCAN line or
the remaining lines will be ignored.  You will also need to add or
uncomment lines for any other drives to be scanned.
(Lines beginning with # are comments.)

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#801

From	Ant <ant@zimage.comANT>
Date	2011-11-10 06:36 -0800
Message-ID	<xfudnaXiPp_FfCbTnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to	#797

On 11/9/2011 8:42 AM PT, Bill Marcum typed:

>>>>>> Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours.
>>>>>> For details see host's SYSLOG.
>>>>>> You can also use the smartctl utility for further investigation.
>>>>>> Another email message will be sent in 24 hours if the problem persists.
>>>
>>>> You can add '-i 9' to the smartd.conf entry for this device to suppress
>>>> future warning mails.
>>>
>>> OK. I just got another e-mail about it this morning. I assume it will
>>> keep doing that daily until I stop using that old school IDE/PATA HDD.
>>> :( So, I will tell it to stop telling me about it then.
>>>
>>> Do I just add "/dev/sdb -i 9" line (without quotation marks) to the
>>> bottom of my /etc/smartd.conf file? I am not sure if that is correct or
>>> not. :)
>>
>> Hmm, that didn't work and I just got another e-mail about it. Here's
>> what my smartd.conf file looks like in case I did it wrong or whatever:
>>
> As it says in the file, you need to comment out the DEVICESCAN line or
> the remaining lines will be ignored.  You will also need to add or
> uncomment lines for any other drives to be scanned.
> (Lines beginning with # are comments.)

Ah, so I have to specify each HDD to do that. I was hoping there was a 
way to set it for ALL and ANY HDDs connected to the PC.
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#767

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date	2011-11-07 06:33 +1100
Message-ID	<9ho5nsFk5tU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#764

Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote

> Hi.

Lo.

> Is this error something to worry about quickly

Nope, its an ancient drive which is still working fine.

> (will have to buy a new HDD if it is urgent. but they are expensive due to Thailand's flood :()?

Thats varied significantly world wide. Mine havent
even gone up 10% for some reason, 2TB samsungs
and the cheapest 3TB drives around.

> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:58:13 -0700
> From: root
> To: root
> Subject: SMART error (Usage) detected on host: FooBar

> This email was generated by the smartd daemon running on:

>    host name: FooBar
>   DNS domain: localdomain
>   NIS domain: (none)

> The following warning/error was logged by the smartd daemon:

> Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours.

Thats just a fancy way of saying that its a VERY old drive.

Havent seen a fireball in a FUCKING long time now.

> For details see host's SYSLOG.

> You can also use the smartctl utility for further investigation.
> Another email message will be sent in 24 hours if the problem persists.

> Syslog showed:
> # cat /var/log/syslog |grep smart
> Nov  5 13:04:35 FooBar smartd[2815]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Prefailure Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed 
> from 58 to 57
> Nov  5 13:04:35 FooBar smartd[2815]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed 
> from 36 to 35
> Nov  5 13:04:35 FooBar smartd[2815]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered changed 
> from 58 to 57
> Nov  5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: smartd 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365 [i686-linux-2.6.32-5-686] (local build)
> Nov  5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
> Nov  5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Opened configuration file /etc/smartd.conf
> Nov  5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Drive: DEVICESCAN, implied '-a' Directive on line 21 of file /etc/smartd.conf
> Nov  5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Configuration file /etc/smartd.conf was parsed, found DEVICESCAN, scanning 
> devices
> Nov  5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda, type changed from 'scsi' to 'sat'
> Nov  5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], opened
> Nov  5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], ST380011A, S/N:4JV5P7LN, FW:8.01, 80.0 GB
> Nov  5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], found in smartd database.
> Nov  5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], is SMART capable. Adding to "monitor" list.
> Nov  5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], state read from 
> /var/lib/smartmontools/smartd.ST380011A-4JV5P7LN.ata.state
> Nov  5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb, type changed from 'scsi' to 'sat'
> Nov  5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], opened
> Nov  5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], QUANTUM FIREBALLP LM15, S/N:183006136328, FW:A35.0700, 
> 15.0 GB
> Nov  5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], found in smartd database.
> Nov  5 13:28:11 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], is SMART capable. Adding to "monitor" list.
> Nov  5 13:28:11 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], state read from 
> /var/lib/smartmontools/smartd.QUANTUM_FIREBALLP_LM15-183006136328.ata.state
> Nov  5 13:28:11 FooBar smartd[2784]: Monitoring 2 ATA and 0 SCSI devices
> Nov  5 13:28:11 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed 
> from 35 to 36
> Nov  5 13:28:12 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], state written to 
> /var/lib/smartmontools/smartd.ST380011A-4JV5P7LN.ata.state
> Nov  5 13:28:12 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], state written to 
> /var/lib/smartmontools/smartd.QUANTUM_FIREBALLP_LM15-183006136328.ata.state
> Nov  5 13:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: smartd has fork()ed into background mode. New PID=2786.
> Nov  5 13:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: file /var/run/smartd.pid written containing PID 2786
> Nov  5 14:28:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed 
> from 36 to 34
> Nov  5 14:58:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed 
> from 34 to 36
> Nov  5 15:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed 
> from 36 to 37
> Nov  5 16:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed 
> from 37 to 38
> Nov  5 16:58:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed 
> from 38 to 35
> Nov  5 17:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed 
> from 35 to 37
> Nov  5 18:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed 
> from 37 to 38
> Nov  5 19:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed 
> from 38 to 36
> Nov  5 20:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours changed from 44 
> to 43
> Nov  5 20:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed 
> from 36 to 37
> Nov  5 22:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours.
> Nov  5 22:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Sending warning via /usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner to root ...
> Nov  5 22:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Warning via /usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner to root: successful
> Nov  5 22:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours changed from 2 to 
> 1

All of that is it just saying those values have changed. No big deal.

> This timing seems/appears to be related to my earlier reboot (did not power off) of this very old 2005's Debian box 
> due its yesterday's Kernel v2.6.32-5-686 upgrade (not version, just its package with fixes). I had no problems with 
> the reboot (but wasn't looking at its screen though).

I dont believe its significant.

> I ran its detail reports before doing an extended self-test:
> # smartctl -a /dev/sdb
> smartctl 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365 [i686-linux-2.6.32-5-686] (local build)
> Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
>
> === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
> Model Family:     Quantum Fireball Plus LM
> Device Model:     QUANTUM FIREBALLP LM15
> Serial Number:    183006136328
> Firmware Version: A35.0700
> User Capacity:    15,020,457,984 bytes [15.0 GB]
> Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
> Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
> ATA Version is:   5
> ATA Standard is:  ATA/ATAPI-5 T13 1321D revision 1
> Local Time is:    Sat Nov  5 23:05:31 2011 PDT
> SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
> SMART support is: Enabled
>
> === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
> See vendor-specific Attribute list for marginal Attributes.
>
> General SMART Values:
> Offline data collection status:  (0x80) Offline data collection activity
>                                         was never started.
>                                         Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
> Self-test execution status:      (   0) The previous self-test routine completed
>                                         without error or no self-test has ever
>                                         been run.
> Total time to complete Offline
> data collection:                (   46) seconds.
> Offline data collection
> capabilities:                    (0x1b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
>                                         Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
>                                         Suspend Offline collection upon new
>                                         command.
>                                         Offline surface scan supported.
>                                         Self-test supported.
>                                         No Conveyance Self-test supported.
>                                         No Selective Self-test supported.
> SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
>                                         power-saving mode.
>                                         Supports SMART auto save timer.
> Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
>                                         No General Purpose Logging support.
> Short self-test routine
> recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
> Extended self-test routine
> recommended polling time:        (  13) minutes.
>
> SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 11
> Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
>   1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x0029   100   253   020    Pre-fail Offline      -       0
>   3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0027   078   063   020    Pre-fail Always       -       2828
>   4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   097   097   008    Old_age Always       -       2392
>   5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   020    Pre-fail Always       -       0
>   7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000b   100   100   023    Pre-fail Always       -       0
>   9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012   001   001   001    Old_age Always   FAILING_NOW 64880
>  10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0026   100   100   020    Old_age Always       -       0
>  11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0013   100   100   020    Pre-fail Always       -       0
>  12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   097   097   008    Old_age Always       -       2278
>  13 Read_Soft_Error_Rate    0x000b   100   100   023    Pre-fail Always       -       0
> 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x001a   200   200   000    Old_age   Always -       0
> 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0010   100   100   020    Old_age Offline      -       0
> 197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always -       0
> 198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   253   000    Old_age Offline      -       0

Those are all fine.

> SMART Error Log Version: 0
> No Errors Logged
>
> SMART Self-test log structure revision number 0
> Warning: ATA Specification requires self-test log structure revision number = 1
> Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
> # 1  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     63409 -
> # 2  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     58068 -
> # 3  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     54663 -
> # 4  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     53303 -
> # 5  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     46603 -
> # 6  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     15067 -
> # 7  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     13222 -
> # 8  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     13218 -
> # 9  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      8391 -
> #10  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      8391 -
>
> Device does not support Selective Self Tests/Logging

> So I decided to run gsmartcontrol v5.41 (GUI version of smartctl) and it also marked Power_On_Hours as a problem.

Again, its just saying its a VERY old drive, no news.

> I ran a long test and it started with loud noises (a fan/motor or something spinning?) for about  30 seconds. That 
> doesn't sound good to me.

May just be the power supply fan.

> Anyways,  here is the report  after the long test which said no errors/problems:

> # smartctl -a /dev/sdb
> smartctl 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365 [i686-linux-2.6.32-5-686] (local build)
> Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
>
> === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
> Model Family:     Quantum Fireball Plus LM
> Device Model:     QUANTUM FIREBALLP LM15
> Serial Number:    183006136328
> Firmware Version: A35.0700
> User Capacity:    15,020,457,984 bytes [15.0 GB]
> Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
> Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
> ATA Version is:   5
> ATA Standard is:  ATA/ATAPI-5 T13 1321D revision 1
> Local Time is:    Sat Nov  5 23:36:57 2011 PDT
> SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
> SMART support is: Enabled
>
> === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
> See vendor-specific Attribute list for marginal Attributes.
>
> General SMART Values:
> Offline data collection status:  (0x80) Offline data collection activity
>                                         was never started.
>                                         Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
> Self-test execution status:      (   0) The previous self-test routine completed
>                                         without error or no self-test has ever
>                                         been run.
> Total time to complete Offline
> data collection:                (   46) seconds.
> Offline data collection
> capabilities:                    (0x1b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
>                                         Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
>                                         Suspend Offline collection upon new
>                                         command.
>                                         Offline surface scan supported.
>                                         Self-test supported.
>                                         No Conveyance Self-test supported.
>                                         No Selective Self-test supported.
> SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
>                                         power-saving mode.
>                                         Supports SMART auto save timer.
> Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
>                                         No General Purpose Logging support.
> Short self-test routine
> recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
> Extended self-test routine
> recommended polling time:        (  13) minutes.
>
> SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 11
> Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
>   1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x0029   100   253   020    Pre-fail Offline      -       0
>   3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0027   078   063   020    Pre-fail Always       -       2828
>   4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   097   097   008    Old_age Always       -       2392
>   5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   020    Pre-fail Always       -       0
>   7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000b   100   100   023    Pre-fail Always       -       0
>   9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012   001   001   001    Old_age Always   FAILING_NOW 64880
>  10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0026   100   100   020    Old_age Always       -       0
>  11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0013   100   100   020    Pre-fail Always       -       0
>  12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   097   097   008    Old_age Always       -       2278
>  13 Read_Soft_Error_Rate    0x000b   100   100   023    Pre-fail Always       -       0
> 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x001a   200   200   000    Old_age   Always -       0
> 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0010   100   100   020    Old_age Offline      -       0
> 197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always -       0
> 198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   253   000    Old_age Offline      -       0

Again, those are fine.

> SMART Error Log Version: 0
> No Errors Logged
>
> SMART Self-test log structure revision number 0
> Warning: ATA Specification requires self-test log structure revision number = 1
> Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
> # 1  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     64880 -
> # 2  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     63409 -
> # 3  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     58068 -
> # 4  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     54663 -
> # 5  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     53303 -
> # 6  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     46603 -
> # 7  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     15067 -
> # 8  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     13222 -
> # 9  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     13218 -
> #10  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      8391 -
> #11  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      8391 -

> Device does not support Selective Self Tests/Logging

> Thank you in advance. :)

Still smirking.

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#768 — Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? (thanks!)

From	Ant <ant@zimage.comANT>
Date	2011-11-06 12:19 -0800
Subject	Re: "Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours."? (thanks!)
Message-ID	<B_ednYbS5v96divTnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to	#764

Thanks for the replies! I will ignore that one then. :) [smirking for 
Rod :P]


On 11/5/2011 11:39 PM PT, Ant typed:

> Hi.
>
> Is this error something to worry about quickly (will have to buy a new
> HDD if it is urgent. but they are expensive due to Thailand's flood :()?
>
> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:58:13 -0700
> From: root
> To: root
> Subject: SMART error (Usage) detected on host: FooBar
>
> This email was generated by the smartd daemon running on:
>
> host name: FooBar
> DNS domain: localdomain
> NIS domain: (none)
>
> The following warning/error was logged by the smartd daemon:
>
> Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], Failed SMART usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours.
>
> For details see host's SYSLOG.
>
> You can also use the smartctl utility for further investigation.
> Another email message will be sent in 24 hours if the problem persists.
>
>
> Syslog showed:
> # cat /var/log/syslog |grep smart
> Nov 5 13:04:35 FooBar smartd[2815]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART
> Prefailure Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 58 to 57
> Nov 5 13:04:35 FooBar smartd[2815]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
> Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 36 to 35
> Nov 5 13:04:35 FooBar smartd[2815]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
> Attribute: 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered changed from 58 to 57
> Nov 5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: smartd 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365
> [i686-linux-2.6.32-5-686] (local build)
> Nov 5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce
> Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
> Nov 5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Opened configuration file
> /etc/smartd.conf
> Nov 5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Drive: DEVICESCAN, implied '-a'
> Directive on line 21 of file /etc/smartd.conf
> Nov 5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Configuration file /etc/smartd.conf
> was parsed, found DEVICESCAN, scanning devices
> Nov 5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda, type changed from
> 'scsi' to 'sat'
> Nov 5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], opened
> Nov 5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], ST380011A,
> S/N:4JV5P7LN, FW:8.01, 80.0 GB
> Nov 5 13:28:09 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], found in
> smartd database.
> Nov 5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], is SMART
> capable. Adding to "monitor" list.
> Nov 5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], state read
> from /var/lib/smartmontools/smartd.ST380011A-4JV5P7LN.ata.state
> Nov 5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb, type changed from
> 'scsi' to 'sat'
> Nov 5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], opened
> Nov 5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], QUANTUM
> FIREBALLP LM15, S/N:183006136328, FW:A35.0700, 15.0 GB
> Nov 5 13:28:10 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], found in
> smartd database.
> Nov 5 13:28:11 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], is SMART
> capable. Adding to "monitor" list.
> Nov 5 13:28:11 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], state read
> from
> /var/lib/smartmontools/smartd.QUANTUM_FIREBALLP_LM15-183006136328.ata.state
> Nov 5 13:28:11 FooBar smartd[2784]: Monitoring 2 ATA and 0 SCSI devices
> Nov 5 13:28:11 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
> Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 35 to 36
> Nov 5 13:28:12 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], state
> written to /var/lib/smartmontools/smartd.ST380011A-4JV5P7LN.ata.state
> Nov 5 13:28:12 FooBar smartd[2784]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], state
> written to
> /var/lib/smartmontools/smartd.QUANTUM_FIREBALLP_LM15-183006136328.ata.state
> Nov 5 13:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: smartd has fork()ed into background
> mode. New PID=2786.
> Nov 5 13:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: file /var/run/smartd.pid written
> containing PID 2786
> Nov 5 14:28:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
> Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 36 to 34
> Nov 5 14:58:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
> Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 34 to 36
> Nov 5 15:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
> Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 36 to 37
> Nov 5 16:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
> Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 37 to 38
> Nov 5 16:58:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
> Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 38 to 35
> Nov 5 17:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
> Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 35 to 37
> Nov 5 18:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
> Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 37 to 38
> Nov 5 19:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
> Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 38 to 36
> Nov 5 20:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
> Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours changed from 44 to 43
> Nov 5 20:28:12 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage
> Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 36 to 37
> Nov 5 22:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], Failed SMART
> usage Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours.
> Nov 5 22:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Sending warning via
> /usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner to root ...
> Nov 5 22:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Warning via
> /usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner to root: successful
> Nov 5 22:58:13 FooBar smartd[2786]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], SMART Usage
> Attribute: 9 Power_On_Hours changed from 2 to 1
>
> This timing seems/appears to be related to my earlier reboot (did not
> power off) of this very old 2005's Debian box due its yesterday's Kernel
> v2.6.32-5-686 upgrade (not version, just its package with fixes). I had
> no problems with the reboot (but wasn't looking at its screen though).
>
>
> I ran its detail reports before doing an extended self-test:
> # smartctl -a /dev/sdb
> smartctl 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365 [i686-linux-2.6.32-5-686] (local build)
> Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
>
> === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
> Model Family: Quantum Fireball Plus LM
> Device Model: QUANTUM FIREBALLP LM15
> Serial Number: 183006136328
> Firmware Version: A35.0700
> User Capacity: 15,020,457,984 bytes [15.0 GB]
> Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical
> Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
> ATA Version is: 5
> ATA Standard is: ATA/ATAPI-5 T13 1321D revision 1
> Local Time is: Sat Nov 5 23:05:31 2011 PDT
> SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
> SMART support is: Enabled
>
> === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
> See vendor-specific Attribute list for marginal Attributes.
>
> General SMART Values:
> Offline data collection status: (0x80) Offline data collection activity
> was never started.
> Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
> Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed
> without error or no self-test has ever
> been run.
> Total time to complete Offline
> data collection: ( 46) seconds.
> Offline data collection
> capabilities: (0x1b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
> Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
> Suspend Offline collection upon new
> command.
> Offline surface scan supported.
> Self-test supported.
> No Conveyance Self-test supported.
> No Selective Self-test supported.
> SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
> power-saving mode.
> Supports SMART auto save timer.
> Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
> No General Purpose Logging support.
> Short self-test routine
> recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes.
> Extended self-test routine
> recommended polling time: ( 13) minutes.
>
> SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 11
> Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED
> RAW_VALUE
> 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x0029 100 253 020 Pre-fail Offline - 0
> 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0027 078 063 020 Pre-fail Always - 2828
> 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 097 097 008 Old_age Always - 2392
> 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 020 Pre-fail Always - 0
> 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 023 Pre-fail Always - 0
> 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 001 001 001 Old_age Always FAILING_NOW 64880
> 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0026 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 0
> 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 020 Pre-fail Always - 0
> 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 097 097 008 Old_age Always - 2278
> 13 Read_Soft_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 023 Pre-fail Always - 0
> 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x001a 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
> 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0010 100 100 020 Old_age Offline - 0
> 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 0
> 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0
>
> SMART Error Log Version: 0
> No Errors Logged
>
> SMART Self-test log structure revision number 0
> Warning: ATA Specification requires self-test log structure revision
> number = 1
> Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error
> # 1 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 63409 -
> # 2 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 58068 -
> # 3 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 54663 -
> # 4 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 53303 -
> # 5 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 46603 -
> # 6 Short offline Completed without error 00% 15067 -
> # 7 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 13222 -
> # 8 Short offline Completed without error 00% 13218 -
> # 9 Short offline Completed without error 00% 8391 -
> #10 Short offline Completed without error 00% 8391 -
>
> Device does not support Selective Self Tests/Logging
>
>
> So I decided to run gsmartcontrol v5.41 (GUI version of smartctl) and it
> also marked Power_On_Hours as a problem. I ran a long test and it
> started with loud noises (a fan/motor or something spinning?) for about
> 30 seconds. That doesn't sound good to me. Anyways, here is the report
> after the long test which said no errors/problems:
>
> # smartctl -a /dev/sdb
> smartctl 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365 [i686-linux-2.6.32-5-686] (local build)
> Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
>
> === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
> Model Family: Quantum Fireball Plus LM
> Device Model: QUANTUM FIREBALLP LM15
> Serial Number: 183006136328
> Firmware Version: A35.0700
> User Capacity: 15,020,457,984 bytes [15.0 GB]
> Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical
> Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
> ATA Version is: 5
> ATA Standard is: ATA/ATAPI-5 T13 1321D revision 1
> Local Time is: Sat Nov 5 23:36:57 2011 PDT
> SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
> SMART support is: Enabled
>
> === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
> See vendor-specific Attribute list for marginal Attributes.
>
> General SMART Values:
> Offline data collection status: (0x80) Offline data collection activity
> was never started.
> Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
> Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed
> without error or no self-test has ever
> been run.
> Total time to complete Offline
> data collection: ( 46) seconds.
> Offline data collection
> capabilities: (0x1b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
> Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
> Suspend Offline collection upon new
> command.
> Offline surface scan supported.
> Self-test supported.
> No Conveyance Self-test supported.
> No Selective Self-test supported.
> SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
> power-saving mode.
> Supports SMART auto save timer.
> Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
> No General Purpose Logging support.
> Short self-test routine
> recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes.
> Extended self-test routine
> recommended polling time: ( 13) minutes.
>
> SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 11
> Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED
> RAW_VALUE
> 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x0029 100 253 020 Pre-fail Offline - 0
> 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0027 078 063 020 Pre-fail Always - 2828
> 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 097 097 008 Old_age Always - 2392
> 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 020 Pre-fail Always - 0
> 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 023 Pre-fail Always - 0
> 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 001 001 001 Old_age Always FAILING_NOW 64880
> 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0026 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 0
> 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 020 Pre-fail Always - 0
> 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 097 097 008 Old_age Always - 2278
> 13 Read_Soft_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 023 Pre-fail Always - 0
> 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x001a 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
> 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0010 100 100 020 Old_age Offline - 0
> 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 0
> 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0
>
> SMART Error Log Version: 0
> No Errors Logged
>
> SMART Self-test log structure revision number 0
> Warning: ATA Specification requires self-test log structure revision
> number = 1
> Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error
> # 1 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 64880 -
> # 2 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 63409 -
> # 3 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 58068 -
> # 4 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 54663 -
> # 5 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 53303 -
> # 6 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 46603 -
> # 7 Short offline Completed without error 00% 15067 -
> # 8 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 13222 -
> # 9 Short offline Completed without error 00% 13218 -
> #10 Short offline Completed without error 00% 8391 -
> #11 Short offline Completed without error 00% 8391 -
>
> Device does not support Selective Self Tests/Logging
>
>
> Thank you in advance. :)
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#769

From	philo <philo@invalid.not>
Date	2011-11-06 20:40 -0600
Message-ID	<j97gf8$8k9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#764

On 11/06/2011 01:39 AM, Ant wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Is this error something to worry about quickly (will have to buy a new
> HDD if it is urgent. but they are expensive due to Thailand's flood :()?
>
> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:58:13 -0700
> From: root
> To: root
> Subject: SMART error (Usage) detected on host: FooBar
>

Though the drive is apparently still good...
it does have a lot of hours on it.

I don't know what the flood in Thailand did ...but I just checked NewEgg
and you can get a new hard drive for about 100USD or so.

I'd consider replacing it...but I don't think you have to rush.

OTOH: As long as all your data are backed up
and you keep it backed up. no need to worry

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#770

From	J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG>
Date	2011-11-07 12:57 +0000
Message-ID	<j98kjv$pmv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#769

On Sunday, November 6th, 2011, at 20:40:38h -0600, Philo advised:
 
> I'd consider replacing it...but I don't think you have to rush.

It is usually the belief that prices will rise and the rush to buy
that pushes the price up, not the actual shortage.

This happened with rice prices in 2008.

<http://www.npr.ORG/blogs/thesalt/2011/11/02/141771712/how-fear-drove-world-rice-markets-insane>

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#771

From	Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.org (GMAN)
Date	2011-11-07 15:26 +0000
Message-ID	<KMStq.23908$1x3.13744@en-nntp-16.dc1.easynews.com>
In reply to	#769

In article <j97gf8$8k9$1@dont-email.me>, philo <philo@invalid.not> wrote:
>On 11/06/2011 01:39 AM, Ant wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> Is this error something to worry about quickly (will have to buy a new
>> HDD if it is urgent. but they are expensive due to Thailand's flood :()?
>>
>> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:58:13 -0700
>> From: root
>> To: root
>> Subject: SMART error (Usage) detected on host: FooBar
>>
>
>
>Though the drive is apparently still good...
>it does have a lot of hours on it.
>
>I don't know what the flood in Thailand did ...but I just checked NewEgg
>and you can get a new hard drive for about 100USD or so.
>

Yes, but those same hard drives you see for $100 were just $59 weeks ago.



>I'd consider replacing it...but I don't think you have to rush.
>
>OTOH: As long as all your data are backed up
>and you keep it backed up. no need to worry

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#772

From	J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG>
Date	2011-11-07 15:32 +0000
Message-ID	<j98tm6$lpj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#771

On Monday, November 7th, 2011 at 15:26:33h +0000, GMAN wrote:

> Yes, but those same hard drives you see for $100 were just $59 weeks
> ago.

Can you blame the multinational corporations for gouging consumers
on the artificially inflated prices when they have management bonuses
and stockholder dividends to pay?

Remember, it is not the material and manufacturing costs which affect
so much the final price, but what the market will bear -- ie what
walk-in traffic will pay for convenience because they "want it now".

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#774

From	Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Date	2011-11-07 07:39 -0800
Message-ID	<j98u47$q4c$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#772

On 11/07/2011 07:32 AM, J G Miller wrote:
> On Monday, November 7th, 2011 at 15:26:33h +0000, GMAN wrote:
>
>> Yes, but those same hard drives you see for $100 were just $59 weeks
>> ago.
>
> Can you blame the multinational corporations for gouging consumers
> on the artificially inflated prices when they have management bonuses
> and stockholder dividends to pay?
>
> Remember, it is not the material and manufacturing costs which affect
> so much the final price, but what the market will bear -- ie what
> walk-in traffic will pay for convenience because they "want it now".

	Actually it is the result of the flooding of Thailand as far
as I know.  The prices are up because the dealers want to make as
much as the customer will pay.  And it may be a while until the
Thai operations are up and making the stuff again.
	
	bliss

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#775

From	J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG>
Date	2011-11-07 16:17 +0000
Message-ID	<j9909v$a1o$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#774

On Monday, November 7th, 2011 at 07:39:51h -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> Actually it is the result of the flooding of Thailand as far
> as I know. 

You are missing the point entirely -- the disks in the stores were
bought at a price and already in the stores and being sold at a price before
the flooding occurred.

The sellers are now charging more for the disks that they had already
bought and so are artificially inflating the prices.

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#776

From	Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Date	2011-11-07 08:33 -0800
Message-ID	<j99187$he3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#775

On 11/07/2011 08:17 AM, J G Miller wrote:
> On Monday, November 7th, 2011 at 07:39:51h -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>
>
>> Actually it is the result of the flooding of Thailand as far
>> as I know.
>
> You are missing the point entirely -- the disks in the stores were
> bought at a price and already in the stores and being sold at a price before
> the flooding occurred.
>
> The sellers are now charging more for the disks that they had already
> bought and so are artificially inflating the prices.

	i think I mentioned that in my post.
	And it is not a big business conspiracy but
small businesses attempting to make a larger profit,
	
	Well off to vote and Jury Duty et al

	bye for now
	bliss

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#777

From	Kevin Snodgrass <kdsnodgrass@yahoo.com>
Date	2011-11-07 19:01 +0000
Message-ID	<j999ue$7v3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#775

On Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:17:04 +0000, J G Miller wrote:

> On Monday, November 7th, 2011 at 07:39:51h -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
> 
>> Actually it is the result of the flooding of Thailand as far as I know.
> 
> You are missing the point entirely -- the disks in the stores were
> bought at a price and already in the stores and being sold at a price
> before the flooding occurred.
> 
> The sellers are now charging more for the disks that they had already
> bought and so are artificially inflating the prices.

And if they don't increase the price NOW, to decrease demand, there will 
be no disks available soon.  Which would you rather have next month, 
available disks @ $100, or unavailable disks @ $59?  At this point I 
don't think anyone knows when manufacturing will return to "normal", but 
if it is a prolonged outage, there will be a huge drop in supply.  The 
supply/demand equation does require an increase in prices.

In business, you MUST charge what is called "replacement prices", i.e., a 
price that is profitable at the replacement cost of the product.  
Retailers (probably with actual knowledge) must sell at a price that 
allows them enough profit so they can AFFORD to buy replacement stocks.  
If they sell at the old replacement price, they can't afford to fill 
their shelves.  They will spiral into bankruptcy.

I see this all the time with gasoline, an industry I do have real world 
knowledge of.  If gas suddenly spikes (say, the nutjobs in Iran close the 
Straits of Hormuz to Saudi, Kuwaiti and Iraqi oil tankers) and a gas 
station doesn't immediately raise retail prices, they won't make enough 
money on existing stocks to pay for the next 7.9K gal (or 9.0 if triple 
axle) tanker truck from the pipeline terminal.  So they can only buy 1/2 
or 3/4 of a tanker, price goes up more, but they only charge $.10 over 
their actual cost like normal, and they don't make enough on this partial 
tanker to buy exact replacement volume.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  Their 
underground tanks will be empty in a few days, and the business will go 
under.

Education in free market macro economics sucks.  Most teachers, even in 
most universities, don't have a clue how a real free market works...

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#781

From	J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG>
Date	2011-11-07 20:20 +0000
Message-ID	<j99ei7$gsb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#777

On Monday, November 7th, 2011 at 19:01:34h +0000, Kevin Snodgrass wrote:

> And if they don't increase the price NOW, to decrease demand, there will
> be no disks available soon.

I was not aware that the only manufacturing plants in the world which
manufactured hard disks were the ones which had been flooded in Thailand.

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#782

From	ANTant@zimage.com (Ant)
Date	2011-11-07 14:27 -0600
Message-ID	<CcSdnfcbN7C1oiXTnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to	#781

J G Miller <miller@yoyo.org> wrote:
> On Monday, November 7th, 2011 at 19:01:34h +0000, Kevin Snodgrass wrote:

> > And if they don't increase the price NOW, to decrease demand, there will
> > be no disks available soon.

> I was not aware that the only manufacturing plants in the world which
> manufactured hard disks were the ones which had been flooded in Thailand.

It is bad to put everything in one area/basket. :(
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#789

From	J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG>
Date	2011-11-08 10:17 +0000
Message-ID	<j9avjj$s4q$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#782

On Monday, November 7th, 2011 at 14:27:20h -0600, Ant wrote:

> It is bad to put everything in one area/basket. :(

Of course it is.

That is why Western Digital operate hard disk manufacturing plants not
only in Thailand but also in Brazil

<http://www.hddoctor.NET/western-digital-begins-hard-drive-manufacturing-in-brazil/>

and Malaysia

<http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/5/25/business/6314044&sec=business>

I am sure that all Americans appreciate their companies investing overseas
like this and providing high tech manufacturing and research jobs for people
there rather than in the USofA.

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