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| Started by | Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> |
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| First post | 2014-06-28 11:25 -0700 |
| Last post | 2014-07-04 17:54 +1000 |
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Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-06-28 11:25 -0700
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 15:11 -0400
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) - 2014-06-28 11:25 -0800
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-29 05:38 +1000
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 15:55 -0400
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) - 2014-06-28 12:59 -0800
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 18:02 -0400
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Larry Blanchard <lblanch@fastmail.fm> - 2014-06-28 23:55 +0000
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) - 2014-06-28 17:20 -0800
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2014-06-28 20:26 -0600
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) - 2014-06-28 21:17 -0800
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) - 2014-06-28 17:11 -0800
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 23:39 -0400
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) - 2014-06-28 21:29 -0800
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-29 02:21 -0400
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Larry Blanchard <lblanch@fastmail.fm> - 2014-06-28 23:52 +0000
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) - 2014-06-28 17:03 -0800
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2014-06-29 15:23 -0400
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-06-29 15:12 -0700
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2014-06-29 17:36 -0600
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2014-07-01 10:37 +0100
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-01 16:14 +0000
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-02 23:13 -0700
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2014-07-03 02:13 -0400
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2014-06-28 22:08 +0000
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 19:42 -0400
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2014-07-01 10:41 +0100
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Lusotec <nomail@nomail.not> - 2014-07-01 11:31 +0100
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-06-28 23:31 -0700
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-06-30 06:30 +1000
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2014-06-29 08:39 +0100
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-06-29 12:01 -0700
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-29 16:53 -0400
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-06-29 15:13 -0700
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-29 21:30 -0400
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? hal-usenet@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal Murray) - 2014-07-01 02:54 -0500
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Poutnik <Poutnik@privacy.net> - 2014-07-01 10:39 +0200
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-07-02 09:49 +1000
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2014-07-02 08:18 +0100
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-02 23:16 -0700
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-29 12:36 -0400
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-29 14:06 -0400
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2014-07-03 02:16 -0400
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-02 23:19 -0700
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-03 18:55 +1200
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? "Charles T. Smith" <cts.private.yahoo@gmail.com> - 2014-07-03 12:46 +0000
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-03 14:31 -0400
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-03 19:57 +0100
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? "whacker james" <wj852@gmail.com> - 2014-07-04 09:02 +1000
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-04 00:23 +0100
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? Måns Rullgård <mans@mansr.com> - 2014-07-04 00:29 +0100
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-04 00:47 +0100
Re: Is it true that it is a bad idea to put a swap/pagefile on a SSD? "whacker james" <wj852@gmail.com> - 2014-07-04 17:54 +1000
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-29 12:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1406291232430.6254@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #2454 |
On Sat, 28 Jun 2014, Ant wrote:
> Because that wears out the SSD quickly, and it is better to put it on a slow
> HDD. If so, then how do computer (especially laptop/notebook) users with only
> a SSD (not hybrids with HDDs) do this? I assume Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux
> follow this rule?
>
My Acer Aspire One netbook came before they moved to a mechanical hard
drive; it simply doesn't use swap.
Swap was necessary in the old days when you had 8megs of RAM and needed
more to run KDE. But the more memory, the less need for swap. I just
realized last week I turned off swap by accident, I haven't noticed any
problem as a result, but then I have 2gigs of RAM. So many people now have
more, that swap becomes less and less important. If you find swap is
being used a lot, then it's time to consider more RAM, rather than how to
handle swap.
Anything that does a lot of writes to the disk is something to watch if
you've got a solid state drive. Deal with setting things up so you aren't
doing that constant write, and the solid state drive will be fine.
Michael
> Currently, I have a Debian stable box that uses an 115 GB Corsair Force
> Series F115 SSD since 11/24/2001. It ran almost 24/7. I do have a very old
> PATA/IDE HDD too, but it is mostly for storage. I'd think it would be too
> slow for virtual memory (VM) if it was on it. However, my Debian box (2 GB of
> RAM) doesn't use it much according to top with a VM (512 MB of RAM for an
> updated Windows XP Pro. SP3):
>
> $ top - 11:13:23 up 23 days, 4:39, 3 users, load average: 0.21, 0.11, 0.08
> Tasks: 174 total, 1 running, 172 sleeping, 1 stopped, 0 zombie
> %Cpu(s): 1.1 us, 1.2 sy, 0.0 ni, 97.7 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0
> st
> KiB Mem: 2060516 total, 1976072 used, 84444 free, 223096 buffers
> KiB Swap: 3905532 total, 99548 used, 3805984 free, 439456 cached
>
> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
> 4907 ant 20 0 1477m 655m 593m S 0.3 32.6 9:21.44 VirtualBox
> 3231 ant 20 0 326m 135m 4880 S 0.0 6.7 2:06.69 ruby
> 4631 ant 20 0 2955m 104m 36m S 1.3 5.2 15:42.50 plasma-desktop
> 4621 ant 20 0 2689m 73m 28m S 1.3 3.6 20:39.79 kwin
> 10202 ant 20 0 389m 41m 27m S 0.0 2.1 0:05.09 kscreenlocker
> 5290 root 20 0 178m 41m 17m S 1.7 2.0 187:13.77 Xorg
> 4835 ant 20 0 589m 39m 20m S 0.0 1.9 0:10.53 VirtualBox
> 4665 ant 20 0 785m 36m 10m S 0.0 1.8 0:07.64 krunner
> 4683 ant 20 0 531m 26m 8876 S 0.0 1.3 0:00.78 kmix
> 4601 ant 20 0 354m 15m 13m S 0.0 0.8 0:00.38 kdeinit4
> 4628 ant 20 0 619m 14m 6644 S 0.0 0.7 0:01.01 knotify4
> 4604 ant 20 0 703m 14m 8100 S 0.0 0.7 0:06.77 kded4
> 4619 ant 20 0 531m 11m 6188 S 0.0 0.6 0:00.37 ksmserver
> 4708 ant 20 0 283m 10m 6148 S 0.0 0.5 0:00.25 klipper
> 4680 ant 20 0 364m 10m 6012 S 0.0 0.5 0:00.16 polkit-kde-auth
> 12819 root 20 0 65312 10m 1732 S 0.0 0.5 1:26.60 python
> ...
>
> Thank you in advance. :)
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-06-29 14:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <290620141406285729%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #2477 |
In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1406291232430.6254@darkstar.example.org>, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote: > > Because that wears out the SSD quickly, and it is better to put it on a slow > > HDD. If so, then how do computer (especially laptop/notebook) users with > > only a SSD (not hybrids with HDDs) do this? I assume Windows, Mac OS X, and > > Linux follow this rule? > > > My Acer Aspire One netbook came before they moved to a mechanical hard > drive; it simply doesn't use swap. that's a low end netbook. normal laptops use swap. > Swap was necessary in the old days when you had 8megs of RAM and needed > more to run KDE. But the more memory, the less need for swap. I just > realized last week I turned off swap by accident, I haven't noticed any > problem as a result, but then I have 2gigs of RAM. So many people now have > more, that swap becomes less and less important. If you find swap is > being used a lot, then it's time to consider more RAM, rather than how to > handle swap. 2 gigs of ram is nothing these days. > Anything that does a lot of writes to the disk is something to watch if > you've got a solid state drive. Deal with setting things up so you aren't > doing that constant write, and the solid state drive will be fine. there is no need to worry about it and nothing to set up. early ssds had reliability issues but those have long been resolved. ssds will outlast hard drives and with a *lot* more speed.
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| From | Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-03 02:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53b4f520$1@news.bnb-lp.com> |
| In reply to | #2454 |
On 28/06/2014 2:25 PM, Ant wrote: > Because that wears out the SSD quickly, and it is better to put it on a > slow HDD. If so, then how do computer (especially laptop/notebook) users > with only a SSD (not hybrids with HDDs) do this? I assume Windows, Mac > OS X, and Linux follow this rule? Yeah, worrying about the lifespan of an SSD is useless, it'll outlast any hard drive these days. Just put the pagefile on it, if you like. Yousuf Khan
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| From | Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> |
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| Date | 2014-07-02 23:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <-NCdnb3ykOF_aCnOnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #2502 |
On 7/2/2014 11:16 PM PT, Yousuf Khan typed:
>> Because that wears out the SSD quickly, and it is better to put it on a
>> slow HDD. If so, then how do computer (especially laptop/notebook) users
>> with only a SSD (not hybrids with HDDs) do this? I assume Windows, Mac
>> OS X, and Linux follow this rule?
>
> Yeah, worrying about the lifespan of an SSD is useless, it'll outlast
> any hard drive these days. Just put the pagefile on it, if you like.
Cool and thanks. :)
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-03 18:55 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <030720141855498937%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #2502 |
In article <53b4f520$1@news.bnb-lp.com>, Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> wrote: > On 28/06/2014 2:25 PM, Ant wrote: > > > > Because that wears out the SSD quickly, and it is better to put it on a > > slow HDD. If so, then how do computer (especially laptop/notebook) users > > with only a SSD (not hybrids with HDDs) do this? I assume Windows, Mac > > OS X, and Linux follow this rule? > > Yeah, worrying about the lifespan of an SSD is useless, it'll outlast > any hard drive these days. Just put the pagefile on it, if you like. Yep, just don't put your swapfile on it. ;-)
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| From | "Charles T. Smith" <cts.private.yahoo@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-03 12:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lp3jbu$j5b$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #2502 |
On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 02:16:02 -0400, Yousuf Khan wrote: > On 28/06/2014 2:25 PM, Ant wrote: >> Because that wears out the SSD quickly, and it is better to put it on a >> slow HDD. If so, then how do computer (especially laptop/notebook) >> users with only a SSD (not hybrids with HDDs) do this? I assume >> Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux follow this rule? > > Yeah, worrying about the lifespan of an SSD is useless, it'll outlast > any hard drive these days. Just put the pagefile on it, if you like. > > Yousuf Khan Can you refer to any professionally done publications substantiating that? Or is it just your gut feeling?
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-07-03 14:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <030720141431590984%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #2506 |
In article <lp3jbu$j5b$1@dont-email.me>, Charles T. Smith <cts.private.yahoo@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Because that wears out the SSD quickly, and it is better to put it on a > >> slow HDD. If so, then how do computer (especially laptop/notebook) > >> users with only a SSD (not hybrids with HDDs) do this? I assume > >> Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux follow this rule? > > > > Yeah, worrying about the lifespan of an SSD is useless, it'll outlast > > any hard drive these days. Just put the pagefile on it, if you like. > > > > Yousuf Khan > > Can you refer to any professionally done publications substantiating > that? Or is it just your gut feeling? there have been many such tests, some of which were posted to this thread. some ssd makers offer as much as a 10 year warranty, which is unheard of for hard drives, because they know it will last longer.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-07-03 19:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <lp4936$m7u$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #2507 |
On 03/07/14 19:31, nospam wrote: > In article <lp3jbu$j5b$1@dont-email.me>, Charles T. Smith > <cts.private.yahoo@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> Because that wears out the SSD quickly, and it is better to put it on a >>>> slow HDD. If so, then how do computer (especially laptop/notebook) >>>> users with only a SSD (not hybrids with HDDs) do this? I assume >>>> Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux follow this rule? >>> >>> Yeah, worrying about the lifespan of an SSD is useless, it'll outlast >>> any hard drive these days. Just put the pagefile on it, if you like. >>> >>> Yousuf Khan >> >> Can you refer to any professionally done publications substantiating >> that? Or is it just your gut feeling? > > there have been many such tests, some of which were posted to this > thread. > > some ssd makers offer as much as a 10 year warranty, which is unheard > of for hard drives, because they know it will last longer. > Indeed. A friend of mine who plays with extremely large mathematical matrices - tens of gigabytes sized ones - and runs computations 24x7 - used to wear his hard drives out in just under the warranty period. About a year. -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
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| From | "whacker james" <wj852@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-04 09:02 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <c1m5q8Fd5cuU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2508 |
"The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:lp4936$m7u$1@news.albasani.net... > On 03/07/14 19:31, nospam wrote: >> In article <lp3jbu$j5b$1@dont-email.me>, Charles T. Smith >> <cts.private.yahoo@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> Because that wears out the SSD quickly, and it is better to put it on >>>>> a >>>>> slow HDD. If so, then how do computer (especially laptop/notebook) >>>>> users with only a SSD (not hybrids with HDDs) do this? I assume >>>>> Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux follow this rule? >>>> >>>> Yeah, worrying about the lifespan of an SSD is useless, it'll outlast >>>> any hard drive these days. Just put the pagefile on it, if you like. >>>> >>>> Yousuf Khan >>> >>> Can you refer to any professionally done publications substantiating >>> that? Or is it just your gut feeling? >> >> there have been many such tests, some of which were posted to this >> thread. >> >> some ssd makers offer as much as a 10 year warranty, which is unheard >> of for hard drives, because they know it will last longer. >> > Indeed. A friend of mine who plays with extremely large mathematical > matrices - tens of gigabytes sized ones - and runs computations 24x7 - > used to wear his hard drives out in just under the warranty period. > > About a year. I don’t believe that given that servers don’t.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-07-04 00:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <lp4okt$kht$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #2509 |
On 04/07/14 00:02, whacker james wrote: > > > "The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in message > news:lp4936$m7u$1@news.albasani.net... >> On 03/07/14 19:31, nospam wrote: >>> In article <lp3jbu$j5b$1@dont-email.me>, Charles T. Smith >>> <cts.private.yahoo@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>> Because that wears out the SSD quickly, and it is better to put it >>>>>> on a >>>>>> slow HDD. If so, then how do computer (especially laptop/notebook) >>>>>> users with only a SSD (not hybrids with HDDs) do this? I assume >>>>>> Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux follow this rule? >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, worrying about the lifespan of an SSD is useless, it'll outlast >>>>> any hard drive these days. Just put the pagefile on it, if you like. >>>>> >>>>> Yousuf Khan >>>> >>>> Can you refer to any professionally done publications substantiating >>>> that? Or is it just your gut feeling? >>> >>> there have been many such tests, some of which were posted to this >>> thread. >>> >>> some ssd makers offer as much as a 10 year warranty, which is unheard >>> of for hard drives, because they know it will last longer. >>> >> Indeed. A friend of mine who plays with extremely large mathematical >> matrices - tens of gigabytes sized ones - and runs computations 24x7 - >> used to wear his hard drives out in just under the warranty period. >> >> About a year. > > I don’t believe that given that servers don’t. *shrug*. Believe what you like. He was writing entire disks out and in every week. Servers don't do that. I know cos I ran em. Most servers 4-6 years. He was averaging, over three years, 15 months. -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
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| From | Måns Rullgård <mans@mansr.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-04 00:29 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <yw1xfviidnrm.fsf@unicorn.mansr.com> |
| In reply to | #2510 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: > On 04/07/14 00:02, whacker james wrote: >> >> >> "The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in message >> news:lp4936$m7u$1@news.albasani.net... >>> On 03/07/14 19:31, nospam wrote: >>>> In article <lp3jbu$j5b$1@dont-email.me>, Charles T. Smith >>>> <cts.private.yahoo@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> Because that wears out the SSD quickly, and it is better to put it >>>>>>> on a >>>>>>> slow HDD. If so, then how do computer (especially laptop/notebook) >>>>>>> users with only a SSD (not hybrids with HDDs) do this? I assume >>>>>>> Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux follow this rule? >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, worrying about the lifespan of an SSD is useless, it'll outlast >>>>>> any hard drive these days. Just put the pagefile on it, if you like. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yousuf Khan >>>>> >>>>> Can you refer to any professionally done publications substantiating >>>>> that? Or is it just your gut feeling? >>>> >>>> there have been many such tests, some of which were posted to this >>>> thread. >>>> >>>> some ssd makers offer as much as a 10 year warranty, which is unheard >>>> of for hard drives, because they know it will last longer. >>>> >>> Indeed. A friend of mine who plays with extremely large mathematical >>> matrices - tens of gigabytes sized ones - and runs computations 24x7 - >>> used to wear his hard drives out in just under the warranty period. >>> >>> About a year. >> >> I don’t believe that given that servers don’t. > > *shrug*. Believe what you like. He was writing entire disks out and in > every week. Servers don't do that. > > I know cos I ran em. Most servers 4-6 years. He was averaging, over > three years, 15 months. Was he using server-grade disks? These are usually rated for at least 10x the workload of consumer models. -- Måns Rullgård mans@mansr.com
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-07-04 00:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <lp4q2f$mr8$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #2511 |
On 04/07/14 00:29, Måns Rullgård wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: > >> On 04/07/14 00:02, whacker james wrote: >>> >>> >>> "The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:lp4936$m7u$1@news.albasani.net... >>>> On 03/07/14 19:31, nospam wrote: >>>>> In article <lp3jbu$j5b$1@dont-email.me>, Charles T. Smith >>>>> <cts.private.yahoo@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> Because that wears out the SSD quickly, and it is better to put it >>>>>>>> on a >>>>>>>> slow HDD. If so, then how do computer (especially laptop/notebook) >>>>>>>> users with only a SSD (not hybrids with HDDs) do this? I assume >>>>>>>> Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux follow this rule? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, worrying about the lifespan of an SSD is useless, it'll outlast >>>>>>> any hard drive these days. Just put the pagefile on it, if you like. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yousuf Khan >>>>>> >>>>>> Can you refer to any professionally done publications substantiating >>>>>> that? Or is it just your gut feeling? >>>>> >>>>> there have been many such tests, some of which were posted to this >>>>> thread. >>>>> >>>>> some ssd makers offer as much as a 10 year warranty, which is unheard >>>>> of for hard drives, because they know it will last longer. >>>>> >>>> Indeed. A friend of mine who plays with extremely large mathematical >>>> matrices - tens of gigabytes sized ones - and runs computations 24x7 - >>>> used to wear his hard drives out in just under the warranty period. >>>> >>>> About a year. >>> >>> I don’t believe that given that servers don’t. >> >> *shrug*. Believe what you like. He was writing entire disks out and in >> every week. Servers don't do that. >> >> I know cos I ran em. Most servers 4-6 years. He was averaging, over >> three years, 15 months. > > Was he using server-grade disks? These are usually rated for at least > 10x the workload of consumer models. > Nope. normal consumer grade. Cost benefit showed it was in fact cheaper. Especially when half of em got replaced free under warranty ;-) -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
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| From | "whacker james" <wj852@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-04 17:54 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <c1n5abFivl3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2510 |
"The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:lp4okt$kht$1@news.albasani.net... > On 04/07/14 00:02, whacker james wrote: >> >> >> "The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in message >> news:lp4936$m7u$1@news.albasani.net... >>> On 03/07/14 19:31, nospam wrote: >>>> In article <lp3jbu$j5b$1@dont-email.me>, Charles T. Smith >>>> <cts.private.yahoo@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> Because that wears out the SSD quickly, and it is better to put it >>>>>>> on a >>>>>>> slow HDD. If so, then how do computer (especially laptop/notebook) >>>>>>> users with only a SSD (not hybrids with HDDs) do this? I assume >>>>>>> Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux follow this rule? >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, worrying about the lifespan of an SSD is useless, it'll outlast >>>>>> any hard drive these days. Just put the pagefile on it, if you like. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yousuf Khan >>>>> >>>>> Can you refer to any professionally done publications substantiating >>>>> that? Or is it just your gut feeling? >>>> >>>> there have been many such tests, some of which were posted to this >>>> thread. >>>> >>>> some ssd makers offer as much as a 10 year warranty, which is unheard >>>> of for hard drives, because they know it will last longer. >>>> >>> Indeed. A friend of mine who plays with extremely large mathematical >>> matrices - tens of gigabytes sized ones - and runs computations 24x7 - >>> used to wear his hard drives out in just under the warranty period. >>> >>> About a year. >> >> I don’t believe that given that servers don’t. > > > *shrug*. Believe what you like. He was writing entire disks out and in > every week. Servers don't do that. Bullshit. > I know cos I ran em. You don’t know what some servers do. > Most servers 4-6 years. He was averaging, over three years, 15 months. Likely he was doing something stupid like running the drives much too hot. And 15 months isnt just under the warranty period either.
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