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Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it.

Started bySales <sales@drpepper.com>
First post2024-12-07 15:08 -0800
Last post2024-12-09 10:26 -0600
Articles 20 on this page of 362 — 13 participants

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  Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Sales <sales@drpepper.com> - 2024-12-07 15:08 -0800
    Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 18:47 -0500
      Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 15:51 -0800
        Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 19:12 -0500
          Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 16:46 -0800
            Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 19:59 -0500
              Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 17:04 -0800
                Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 20:18 -0500
                  Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 17:27 -0800
                    Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 20:33 -0500
                      Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 17:49 -0800
                        Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 21:01 -0500
                          Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 18:13 -0800
                            Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 22:45 -0500
                              Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 20:08 -0800
                                Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 23:24 -0500
                                  Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 22:47 -0800
                                    Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-08 08:15 -0500
                                      Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-08 10:37 -0800
                                        Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-08 15:37 -0500
                                          Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-08 15:34 -0800
                                            Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-08 18:57 -0500
                                              Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-08 16:13 -0800
                                                Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-08 19:19 -0500
                                                  Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-08 16:25 -0800
                                                    Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-08 19:49 -0500
                                                      Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-08 16:52 -0800
                                                        Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-08 20:05 -0500
                                                          Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-08 17:14 -0800
                                                          Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-09 07:38 -0500
                                                            Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 08:23 -0500
                                                              Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 10:40 -0600
                                                                Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-09 13:52 -0500
                                                                  Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 14:05 -0500
                                                                    Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-10 09:13 -0600
                                                              Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 10:39 -0800
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                                                                Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-10 11:28 -0500
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                                                      Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 10:39 -0600
                                              Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 10:37 -0600
                                Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-08 00:26 -0500
                                  Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-07 22:47 -0800
                                  Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 10:41 -0600
                          Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 10:34 -0600
                      Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-09 10:30 -0600
              Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-07 21:14 -0500
                Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 22:45 -0500
                  Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-08 03:54 +0000
                  Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-08 07:42 -0500
                    Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-08 08:21 -0500
                      Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-08 10:39 -0800
                        Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-08 15:41 -0500
                          Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-08 15:32 -0800
                            Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-08 18:59 -0500
                              Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-08 16:24 -0800
                                Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-08 19:47 -0500
                                  Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-08 16:53 -0800
                                    Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-08 20:06 -0500
                                      Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-08 17:16 -0800
                                        Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-08 20:20 -0500
                                          Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-08 18:02 -0800
                                            Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 10:31 -0500
                                              Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 10:44 -0800
                                                Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 14:09 -0500
                                                  Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 11:21 -0800
                                                    Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 14:31 -0500
                                                      Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 11:33 -0800
                                                        Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 14:52 -0500
                                                          Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 12:28 -0800
                                                            Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 15:49 -0500
                                                              Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-09 14:29 -0800
                                                                Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-10 10:05 -0500
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                                                                        Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-10 13:53 -0500
                                                                          Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-10 13:06 -0600
                                                                          Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-10 11:19 -0800
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                                                                                                  Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-11 13:26 -0600
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                                                                                                Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-11 20:42 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Howie Feltersnatch <a@apple.sux> - 2024-12-14 20:53 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-14 12:06 -0800
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                                                                                              Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-10 15:41 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-11 00:27 +0000
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                                                                                        Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Howie Feltersnatch <a@apple.sux> - 2024-12-14 20:18 +0100
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                      Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-08 14:45 -0500
                        Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-08 15:47 -0500
                          Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-08 17:34 -0500
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                            Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-08 19:04 -0500
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                                Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-08 19:48 -0500
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                                                            Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 03:29 -0500
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                                                                                                                                        Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. paranoia <mixmaster@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2025-01-03 22:23 -0800
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                                                                                                                                                  Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. AlphaHeater <AlphaHeater21@6959.concepte.store> - 2025-01-06 02:52 +0000
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#683206

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-01-06 15:49 -0800
Message-ID<vlhq6u$1s08m$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#683171
On 2025-01-06 11:36, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> MS would've eventually prevailed, but at what cost?
>>>>
>>>> So they paid $100 million to avoid... ...nothing?
>>>
>>> It's definitely not nothing, it's a drag.
>>
>> Look.
>>
>> Learn to admit when you're wrong.
> 
> 
> Take that advice, yourself.
> 
> 
>> People who actually know about operating systems have pointed out...
>>
>> ...IN DETAIL...
>>
>> ...how Windows NT copied the design and architecture of VMS.
> 
> 
> That's not a contradiction of my claim.  They didn't copy code.  It's
> unlikely DEC would prove anything infringing, in fact impossible.
> 

Not copying CODE doesn't mean not copying ANYTHING.

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#683207

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-01-06 19:01 -0500
Message-ID<h8ronjlu6an93e6vh5ebk2om0m49kdbouv@4ax.com>
In reply to#683206
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>> Windows NT copied the design and architecture of VMS.
>> 
>> That's not a contradiction of my claim.  They didn't copy code.  It's
>> unlikely DEC would prove anything infringing, in fact impossible.
>
>Not copying CODE doesn't mean not copying ANYTHING.


What, tangibly, was copied?  An idea?  It's a typical case of claiming
ownership of something intangible.  MS did settle but not *lose* the
case.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#683210

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-01-06 16:20 -0800
Message-ID<vlhs0h$1s6j2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#683207
On 2025-01-06 16:01, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>> Windows NT copied the design and architecture of VMS.
>>>
>>> That's not a contradiction of my claim.  They didn't copy code.  It's
>>> unlikely DEC would prove anything infringing, in fact impossible.
>>
>> Not copying CODE doesn't mean not copying ANYTHING.
> 
> 
> What, tangibly, was copied?  An idea?  It's a typical case of claiming
> ownership of something intangible.  MS did settle but not *lose* the
> case.
Code isn't tangible, you idiot.

And Microsoft settled for 7% of the annual net income at the time.

You don't spend 9 figures to avoid a lawsuit you'd win.

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#683216

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-01-06 19:35 -0500
Message-ID<4jtonjl0hlc8u0pcfhphftgp0mrv320rdp@4ax.com>
In reply to#683210
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>> Windows NT copied the design and architecture of VMS.
>>>>
>>>> That's not a contradiction of my claim.  They didn't copy code.  It's
>>>> unlikely DEC would prove anything infringing, in fact impossible.
>>>
>>> Not copying CODE doesn't mean not copying ANYTHING.
>> 
>> What, tangibly, was copied?  An idea?  It's a typical case of claiming
>> ownership of something intangible.  MS did settle but not *lose* the
>> case.
>Code isn't tangible, you idiot.


Uh, it is.


>And Microsoft settled for 7% of the annual net income at the time.
>
>You don't spend 9 figures to avoid a lawsuit you'd win.


Sure you do if winning would be a distraction/PITA.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#683219

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-01-06 16:41 -0800
Message-ID<vlht7h$1sfg9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#683216
On 2025-01-06 16:35, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> Windows NT copied the design and architecture of VMS.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not a contradiction of my claim.  They didn't copy code.  It's
>>>>> unlikely DEC would prove anything infringing, in fact impossible.
>>>>
>>>> Not copying CODE doesn't mean not copying ANYTHING.
>>>
>>> What, tangibly, was copied?  An idea?  It's a typical case of claiming
>>> ownership of something intangible.  MS did settle but not *lose* the
>>> case.
>> Code isn't tangible, you idiot.
> 
> 
> Uh, it is.

No. It is not:

'tangible | ˈtanjəb(ə)l |
adjective
perceptible by touch: the atmosphere of neglect and abandonment was 
almost tangible.'

> 
> 
>> And Microsoft settled for 7% of the annual net income at the time.
>>
>> You don't spend 9 figures to avoid a lawsuit you'd win.
> 
> 
> Sure you do if winning would be a distraction/PITA.

No. You really don't.

One hundred MILLION dollars.

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#683225

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-01-06 19:54 -0500
Message-ID<rluonjpc86nueeusbm099rmtcp4tnvbet0@4ax.com>
In reply to#683219
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> Windows NT copied the design and architecture of VMS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not a contradiction of my claim.  They didn't copy code.  It's
>>>>>> unlikely DEC would prove anything infringing, in fact impossible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not copying CODE doesn't mean not copying ANYTHING.
>>>>
>>>> What, tangibly, was copied?  An idea?  It's a typical case of claiming
>>>> ownership of something intangible.  MS did settle but not *lose* the
>>>> case.
>>> Code isn't tangible, you idiot.
>> 
>> Uh, it is.
>
>No. It is not:
>
>'tangible | ?tanj?b(?)l |
>adjective
>perceptible by touch: the atmosphere of neglect and abandonment was 
>almost tangible.'


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tangible

2: capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind


>>> And Microsoft settled for 7% of the annual net income at the time.
>>>
>>> You don't spend 9 figures to avoid a lawsuit you'd win.
>> 
>> Sure you do if winning would be a distraction/PITA.
>
>No. You really don't.
>
>One hundred MILLION dollars.


They could afford it.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#683226

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-01-06 16:56 -0800
Message-ID<vlhu4o$1sju4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#683225
On 2025-01-06 16:54, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>> Windows NT copied the design and architecture of VMS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's not a contradiction of my claim.  They didn't copy code.  It's
>>>>>>> unlikely DEC would prove anything infringing, in fact impossible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not copying CODE doesn't mean not copying ANYTHING.
>>>>>
>>>>> What, tangibly, was copied?  An idea?  It's a typical case of claiming
>>>>> ownership of something intangible.  MS did settle but not *lose* the
>>>>> case.
>>>> Code isn't tangible, you idiot.
>>>
>>> Uh, it is.
>>
>> No. It is not:
>>
>> 'tangible | ?tanj?b(?)l |
>> adjective
>> perceptible by touch: the atmosphere of neglect and abandonment was
>> almost tangible.'
> 
> 
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tangible
> 
> 2: capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind

Good!

And you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't 
be "precisely identifed"?

> 
> 
>>>> And Microsoft settled for 7% of the annual net income at the time.
>>>>
>>>> You don't spend 9 figures to avoid a lawsuit you'd win.
>>>
>>> Sure you do if winning would be a distraction/PITA.
>>
>> No. You really don't.
>>
>> One hundred MILLION dollars.
> 
> 
> They could afford it.
And they could have afforded the lawyers more easily.

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#683230

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-01-06 20:09 -0500
Message-ID<bivonjpth3b5veva8j6hrfr3glm2jnlato@4ax.com>
In reply to#683226
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> Windows NT copied the design and architecture of VMS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's not a contradiction of my claim.  They didn't copy code.  It's
>>>>>>>> unlikely DEC would prove anything infringing, in fact impossible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not copying CODE doesn't mean not copying ANYTHING.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What, tangibly, was copied?  An idea?  It's a typical case of claiming
>>>>>> ownership of something intangible.  MS did settle but not *lose* the
>>>>>> case.
>>>>> Code isn't tangible, you idiot.
>>>>
>>>> Uh, it is.
>>>
>>> No. It is not:
>>>
>>> 'tangible | ?tanj?b(?)l |
>>> adjective
>>> perceptible by touch: the atmosphere of neglect and abandonment was
>>> almost tangible.'
>> 
>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tangible
>> 
>> 2: capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind
>
>Good!
>
>And you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't 
>be "precisely identifed"?


They never were in this case.


>>>>> And Microsoft settled for 7% of the annual net income at the time.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't spend 9 figures to avoid a lawsuit you'd win.
>>>>
>>>> Sure you do if winning would be a distraction/PITA.
>>>
>>> No. You really don't.
>>>
>>> One hundred MILLION dollars.
>> 
>> They could afford it.
>And they could have afforded the lawyers more easily.


How is that easier?

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#683231

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-01-06 17:12 -0800
Message-ID<vlhv2l$1sk15$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#683230
On 2025-01-06 17:09, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>>>> Windows NT copied the design and architecture of VMS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's not a contradiction of my claim.  They didn't copy code.  It's
>>>>>>>>> unlikely DEC would prove anything infringing, in fact impossible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not copying CODE doesn't mean not copying ANYTHING.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What, tangibly, was copied?  An idea?  It's a typical case of claiming
>>>>>>> ownership of something intangible.  MS did settle but not *lose* the
>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>> Code isn't tangible, you idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Uh, it is.
>>>>
>>>> No. It is not:
>>>>
>>>> 'tangible | ?tanj?b(?)l |
>>>> adjective
>>>> perceptible by touch: the atmosphere of neglect and abandonment was
>>>> almost tangible.'
>>>
>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tangible
>>>
>>> 2: capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind
>>
>> Good!
>>
>> And you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>> be "precisely identifed"?
> 
> 
> They never were in this case.

You were present for this, were you?

You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication 
protocols, etc....

...you think that all was written down?

You think that they just sat down and started coding?

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#683232

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-01-06 20:23 -0500
Message-ID<jc0pnj1kqv3ikka8nf2or2nmviq8cu97bl@4ax.com>
In reply to#683231
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> Windows NT copied the design and architecture of VMS.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's not a contradiction of my claim.  They didn't copy code.  It's
>>>>>>>>>> unlikely DEC would prove anything infringing, in fact impossible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not copying CODE doesn't mean not copying ANYTHING.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What, tangibly, was copied?  An idea?  It's a typical case of claiming
>>>>>>>> ownership of something intangible.  MS did settle but not *lose* the
>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>> Code isn't tangible, you idiot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uh, it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> No. It is not:
>>>>>
>>>>> 'tangible | ?tanj?b(?)l |
>>>>> adjective
>>>>> perceptible by touch: the atmosphere of neglect and abandonment was
>>>>> almost tangible.'
>>>>
>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tangible
>>>>
>>>> 2: capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind
>>>
>>> Good!
>>>
>>> And you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>> 
>> They never were in this case.
>
>You were present for this, were you?
>
>You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication 
>protocols, etc....
>
>...you think that all was written down?
>
>You think that they just sat down and started coding?


Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#683233

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-01-06 17:27 -0800
Message-ID<vlhvuo$1ssma$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#683232
On 2025-01-06 17:23, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows NT copied the design and architecture of VMS.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's not a contradiction of my claim.  They didn't copy code.  It's
>>>>>>>>>>> unlikely DEC would prove anything infringing, in fact impossible.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not copying CODE doesn't mean not copying ANYTHING.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What, tangibly, was copied?  An idea?  It's a typical case of claiming
>>>>>>>>> ownership of something intangible.  MS did settle but not *lose* the
>>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>> Code isn't tangible, you idiot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uh, it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. It is not:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'tangible | ?tanj?b(?)l |
>>>>>> adjective
>>>>>> perceptible by touch: the atmosphere of neglect and abandonment was
>>>>>> almost tangible.'
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tangible
>>>>>
>>>>> 2: capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind
>>>>
>>>> Good!
>>>>
>>>> And you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>>
>>> They never were in this case.
>>
>> You were present for this, were you?
>>
>> You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>> protocols, etc....
>>
>> ...you think that all was written down?
>>
>> You think that they just sat down and started coding?
> 
> 
> Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
> what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.

And yet, Microsoft paid $100 MILLION dollars to avoid a lawsuit.

And many people have described all the ways that NT copied VMS.

> 

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#683234

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-01-06 20:37 -0500
Message-ID<551pnjl9k6fh62br80j5fmn8j3gipg7tsl@4ax.com>
In reply to#683233
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>> you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>>>
>>>> They never were in this case.
>>>
>>> You were present for this, were you?
>>>
>>> You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>>> protocols, etc....
>>>
>>> ...you think that all was written down?
>>>
>>> You think that they just sat down and started coding?
>> 
>> Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
>> what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.
>
>And yet, Microsoft paid $100 MILLION dollars to avoid a lawsuit.
>
>And many people have described all the ways that NT copied VMS.


They wanted the suit to go away, they settled, it's not capitulation
to the suit's real claim, they could've defeated that.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#683235

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-01-06 17:49 -0800
Message-ID<vli170$1t2ml$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#683234
On 2025-01-06 17:37, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>>>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>>>>
>>>>> They never were in this case.
>>>>
>>>> You were present for this, were you?
>>>>
>>>> You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>>>> protocols, etc....
>>>>
>>>> ...you think that all was written down?
>>>>
>>>> You think that they just sat down and started coding?
>>>
>>> Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
>>> what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.
>>
>> And yet, Microsoft paid $100 MILLION dollars to avoid a lawsuit.
>>
>> And many people have described all the ways that NT copied VMS.
> 
> 
> They wanted the suit to go away, they settled, it's not capitulation
> to the suit's real claim, they could've defeated that.
> 

I provided you with a source that says that structures from VMS were 
copied almost verbatim.

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#683236

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-01-06 20:55 -0500
Message-ID<aa2pnj5sn95ilgrri31vnlemllajkee61r@4ax.com>
In reply to#683235
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>>>>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They never were in this case.
>>>>>
>>>>> You were present for this, were you?
>>>>>
>>>>> You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>>>>> protocols, etc....
>>>>>
>>>>> ...you think that all was written down?
>>>>>
>>>>> You think that they just sat down and started coding?
>>>>
>>>> Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
>>>> what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.
>>>
>>> And yet, Microsoft paid $100 MILLION dollars to avoid a lawsuit.
>>>
>>> And many people have described all the ways that NT copied VMS.
>> 
>> They wanted the suit to go away, they settled, it's not capitulation
>> to the suit's real claim, they could've defeated that.
>
>I provided you with a source that says that structures from VMS were 
>copied almost verbatim.


And that is infringement?  We can copyright abstract layouts?

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#683237

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-01-06 18:05 -0800
Message-ID<vli24h$1t2mm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#683236
On 2025-01-06 17:55, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>> you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>>>>>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They never were in this case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You were present for this, were you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>>>>>> protocols, etc....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...you think that all was written down?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You think that they just sat down and started coding?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
>>>>> what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.
>>>>
>>>> And yet, Microsoft paid $100 MILLION dollars to avoid a lawsuit.
>>>>
>>>> And many people have described all the ways that NT copied VMS.
>>>
>>> They wanted the suit to go away, they settled, it's not capitulation
>>> to the suit's real claim, they could've defeated that.
>>
>> I provided you with a source that says that structures from VMS were
>> copied almost verbatim.
> 
> 
> And that is infringement?  We can copyright abstract layouts?
You're dragging the goalposts.

Whether or not it is "infringment", it was COPYING.

'The similarities between VMS and NT are striking. The VMS Interrupt 
Priority Level became the Interrupt Request Level in NT, the 
Asynchronous System Trap became the Asynchronous Procedure Call, a Fork 
Procedure became the Deferred Procedure Call, while some other 
terminology was copied verbatim.'

<https://www.abortretry.fail/p/the-history-of-windows-nt-31>

'copied verbatim'

Got it yet? No?

Okay!

'Those similarities could fill a book. In fact, you can read sections of 
VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures (Digital Press) as an accurate 
description of NT internals simply by translating VMS terms to NT terms. 
Table 1 lists a few VMS terms and their NT translations.'

<https://www.itprotoday.com/server-virtualization/windows-nt-and-vms-the-rest-of-the-story>

That last one was authored by:

"Mark Eugene Russinovich (born December 22, 1966) is a Spanish-born 
American software engineer and author who serves as CTO of Microsoft Azure."

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Russinovich>

But what would the guy who wrote a product to "manage, diagnose, 
troubleshoot, and monitor a Microsoft Windows environment." know about 
Windows NT.

LOL

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#683241

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-01-06 21:11 -0500
Message-ID<i43pnj5s4fl3u72iu4tddtmh2kg6vmdifu@4ax.com>
In reply to#683237
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>>>>>>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They never were in this case.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You were present for this, were you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>>>>>>> protocols, etc....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...you think that all was written down?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You think that they just sat down and started coding?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
>>>>>> what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet, Microsoft paid $100 MILLION dollars to avoid a lawsuit.
>>>>>
>>>>> And many people have described all the ways that NT copied VMS.
>>>>
>>>> They wanted the suit to go away, they settled, it's not capitulation
>>>> to the suit's real claim, they could've defeated that.
>>>
>>> I provided you with a source that says that structures from VMS were
>>> copied almost verbatim.
>> 
>> And that is infringement?  We can copyright abstract layouts?
>You're dragging the goalposts.
>
>Whether or not it is "infringment", it was COPYING.
>
>'The similarities between VMS and NT are striking. The VMS Interrupt 
>Priority Level became the Interrupt Request Level in NT, the 
>Asynchronous System Trap became the Asynchronous Procedure Call, a Fork 
>Procedure became the Deferred Procedure Call, while some other 
>terminology was copied verbatim.'
>
><https://www.abortretry.fail/p/the-history-of-windows-nt-31>
>
>'copied verbatim'
>
>Got it yet? No?
>
>Okay!
>
>'Those similarities could fill a book. In fact, you can read sections of 
>VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures (Digital Press) as an accurate 
>description of NT internals simply by translating VMS terms to NT terms. 
>Table 1 lists a few VMS terms and their NT translations.'
>
><https://www.itprotoday.com/server-virtualization/windows-nt-and-vms-the-rest-of-the-story>
>
>That last one was authored by:
>
>"Mark Eugene Russinovich (born December 22, 1966) is a Spanish-born 
>American software engineer and author who serves as CTO of Microsoft Azure."
>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Russinovich>
>
>But what would the guy who wrote a product to "manage, diagnose, 
>troubleshoot, and monitor a Microsoft Windows environment." know about 
>Windows NT.
>
>LOL


Russinovich is *God*, first of all.  Hail him, like Linus and Richard.
Great programmer for all time.  But he's not suggesting that actual
VMS code was "copied" by MS, it's ideas, more abstract.  It's not
infringement.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#683245

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-01-06 18:58 -0800
Message-ID<vli586$1t2mm$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#683241
On 2025-01-06 18:11, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>>>> you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>>>>>>>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They never were in this case.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You were present for this, were you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>>>>>>>> protocols, etc....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...you think that all was written down?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You think that they just sat down and started coding?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
>>>>>>> what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet, Microsoft paid $100 MILLION dollars to avoid a lawsuit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And many people have described all the ways that NT copied VMS.
>>>>>
>>>>> They wanted the suit to go away, they settled, it's not capitulation
>>>>> to the suit's real claim, they could've defeated that.
>>>>
>>>> I provided you with a source that says that structures from VMS were
>>>> copied almost verbatim.
>>>
>>> And that is infringement?  We can copyright abstract layouts?
>> You're dragging the goalposts.
>>
>> Whether or not it is "infringment", it was COPYING.
>>
>> 'The similarities between VMS and NT are striking. The VMS Interrupt
>> Priority Level became the Interrupt Request Level in NT, the
>> Asynchronous System Trap became the Asynchronous Procedure Call, a Fork
>> Procedure became the Deferred Procedure Call, while some other
>> terminology was copied verbatim.'
>>
>> <https://www.abortretry.fail/p/the-history-of-windows-nt-31>
>>
>> 'copied verbatim'
>>
>> Got it yet? No?
>>
>> Okay!
>>
>> 'Those similarities could fill a book. In fact, you can read sections of
>> VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures (Digital Press) as an accurate
>> description of NT internals simply by translating VMS terms to NT terms.
>> Table 1 lists a few VMS terms and their NT translations.'
>>
>> <https://www.itprotoday.com/server-virtualization/windows-nt-and-vms-the-rest-of-the-story>
>>
>> That last one was authored by:
>>
>> "Mark Eugene Russinovich (born December 22, 1966) is a Spanish-born
>> American software engineer and author who serves as CTO of Microsoft Azure."
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Russinovich>
>>
>> But what would the guy who wrote a product to "manage, diagnose,
>> troubleshoot, and monitor a Microsoft Windows environment." know about
>> Windows NT.
>>
>> LOL
> 
> 
> Russinovich is *God*, first of all.  Hail him, like Linus and Richard.
> Great programmer for all time.  But he's not suggesting that actual
> VMS code was "copied" by MS, it's ideas, more abstract.  It's not
> infringement.

But the threshold was NEVER infringement, dickhead.

You claimed that nothing was "copied".

The IDEAS were copied.

VERBATIM.

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#683247

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-01-06 22:08 -0500
Message-ID<5g6pnjhjedc4coet4ndhdpqq0lcu5aunjj@4ax.com>
In reply to#683245
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>>>>>>>>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They never were in this case.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You were present for this, were you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>>>>>>>>> protocols, etc....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...you think that all was written down?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You think that they just sat down and started coding?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
>>>>>>>> what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yet, Microsoft paid $100 MILLION dollars to avoid a lawsuit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And many people have described all the ways that NT copied VMS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They wanted the suit to go away, they settled, it's not capitulation
>>>>>> to the suit's real claim, they could've defeated that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I provided you with a source that says that structures from VMS were
>>>>> copied almost verbatim.
>>>>
>>>> And that is infringement?  We can copyright abstract layouts?
>>> You're dragging the goalposts.
>>>
>>> Whether or not it is "infringment", it was COPYING.
>>>
>>> 'The similarities between VMS and NT are striking. The VMS Interrupt
>>> Priority Level became the Interrupt Request Level in NT, the
>>> Asynchronous System Trap became the Asynchronous Procedure Call, a Fork
>>> Procedure became the Deferred Procedure Call, while some other
>>> terminology was copied verbatim.'
>>>
>>> <https://www.abortretry.fail/p/the-history-of-windows-nt-31>
>>>
>>> 'copied verbatim'
>>>
>>> Got it yet? No?
>>>
>>> Okay!
>>>
>>> 'Those similarities could fill a book. In fact, you can read sections of
>>> VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures (Digital Press) as an accurate
>>> description of NT internals simply by translating VMS terms to NT terms.
>>> Table 1 lists a few VMS terms and their NT translations.'
>>>
>>> <https://www.itprotoday.com/server-virtualization/windows-nt-and-vms-the-rest-of-the-story>
>>>
>>> That last one was authored by:
>>>
>>> "Mark Eugene Russinovich (born December 22, 1966) is a Spanish-born
>>> American software engineer and author who serves as CTO of Microsoft Azure."
>>>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Russinovich>
>>>
>>> But what would the guy who wrote a product to "manage, diagnose,
>>> troubleshoot, and monitor a Microsoft Windows environment." know about
>>> Windows NT.
>>>
>>> LOL
>> 
>> Russinovich is *God*, first of all.  Hail him, like Linus and Richard.
>> Great programmer for all time.  But he's not suggesting that actual
>> VMS code was "copied" by MS, it's ideas, more abstract.  It's not
>> infringement.
>
>But the threshold was NEVER infringement, dickhead.
>
>You claimed that nothing was "copied".
>
>The IDEAS were copied.
>
>VERBATIM.


How would infringement not be the threshold?  Software patenting is
discredited.  DEC was just flaunting legal muscle, MS wisely got them
off their back.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#683249

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-01-06 20:42 -0800
Message-ID<vlibbj$22a36$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#683247
On 2025-01-06 19:08, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>>>>>>>>>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They never were in this case.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You were present for this, were you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>>>>>>>>>> protocols, etc....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...you think that all was written down?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You think that they just sat down and started coding?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
>>>>>>>>> what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yet, Microsoft paid $100 MILLION dollars to avoid a lawsuit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And many people have described all the ways that NT copied VMS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They wanted the suit to go away, they settled, it's not capitulation
>>>>>>> to the suit's real claim, they could've defeated that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I provided you with a source that says that structures from VMS were
>>>>>> copied almost verbatim.
>>>>>
>>>>> And that is infringement?  We can copyright abstract layouts?
>>>> You're dragging the goalposts.
>>>>
>>>> Whether or not it is "infringment", it was COPYING.
>>>>
>>>> 'The similarities between VMS and NT are striking. The VMS Interrupt
>>>> Priority Level became the Interrupt Request Level in NT, the
>>>> Asynchronous System Trap became the Asynchronous Procedure Call, a Fork
>>>> Procedure became the Deferred Procedure Call, while some other
>>>> terminology was copied verbatim.'
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.abortretry.fail/p/the-history-of-windows-nt-31>
>>>>
>>>> 'copied verbatim'
>>>>
>>>> Got it yet? No?
>>>>
>>>> Okay!
>>>>
>>>> 'Those similarities could fill a book. In fact, you can read sections of
>>>> VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures (Digital Press) as an accurate
>>>> description of NT internals simply by translating VMS terms to NT terms.
>>>> Table 1 lists a few VMS terms and their NT translations.'
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.itprotoday.com/server-virtualization/windows-nt-and-vms-the-rest-of-the-story>
>>>>
>>>> That last one was authored by:
>>>>
>>>> "Mark Eugene Russinovich (born December 22, 1966) is a Spanish-born
>>>> American software engineer and author who serves as CTO of Microsoft Azure."
>>>>
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Russinovich>
>>>>
>>>> But what would the guy who wrote a product to "manage, diagnose,
>>>> troubleshoot, and monitor a Microsoft Windows environment." know about
>>>> Windows NT.
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>>
>>> Russinovich is *God*, first of all.  Hail him, like Linus and Richard.
>>> Great programmer for all time.  But he's not suggesting that actual
>>> VMS code was "copied" by MS, it's ideas, more abstract.  It's not
>>> infringement.
>>
>> But the threshold was NEVER infringement, dickhead.
>>
>> You claimed that nothing was "copied".
>>
>> The IDEAS were copied.
>>
>> VERBATIM.
> 
> 
> How would infringement not be the threshold?  Software patenting is
> discredited.  DEC was just flaunting legal muscle, MS wisely got them
> off their back.
Because a legal standard isn't the measure of whether or not something 
was copied.

Windows NT copied the design and architecture of VMS.

Period.

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#683896

Fromron <ronbarnes@linuxmail.org>
Date2025-01-12 22:59 -0800
Message-ID<vm2dkv$7r9$1@toxic.dizum.net>
In reply to#683247
On 1/6/2025 7:08 PM, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>>>>>>>>>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They never were in this case.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You were present for this, were you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>>>>>>>>>> protocols, etc....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...you think that all was written down?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You think that they just sat down and started coding?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
>>>>>>>>> what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yet, Microsoft paid $100 MILLION dollars to avoid a lawsuit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And many people have described all the ways that NT copied VMS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They wanted the suit to go away, they settled, it's not capitulation
>>>>>>> to the suit's real claim, they could've defeated that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I provided you with a source that says that structures from VMS were
>>>>>> copied almost verbatim.
>>>>>
>>>>> And that is infringement?  We can copyright abstract layouts?
>>>> You're dragging the goalposts.
>>>>
>>>> Whether or not it is "infringment", it was COPYING.
>>>>
>>>> 'The similarities between VMS and NT are striking. The VMS Interrupt
>>>> Priority Level became the Interrupt Request Level in NT, the
>>>> Asynchronous System Trap became the Asynchronous Procedure Call, a Fork
>>>> Procedure became the Deferred Procedure Call, while some other
>>>> terminology was copied verbatim.'
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.abortretry.fail/p/the-history-of-windows-nt-31>
>>>>
>>>> 'copied verbatim'
>>>>
>>>> Got it yet? No?
>>>>
>>>> Okay!
>>>>
>>>> 'Those similarities could fill a book. In fact, you can read sections of
>>>> VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures (Digital Press) as an accurate
>>>> description of NT internals simply by translating VMS terms to NT terms.
>>>> Table 1 lists a few VMS terms and their NT translations.'
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.itprotoday.com/server-virtualization/windows-nt-and-vms-the-rest-of-the-story>
>>>>
>>>> That last one was authored by:
>>>>
>>>> "Mark Eugene Russinovich (born December 22, 1966) is a Spanish-born
>>>> American software engineer and author who serves as CTO of Microsoft Azure."
>>>>
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Russinovich>
>>>>
>>>> But what would the guy who wrote a product to "manage, diagnose,
>>>> troubleshoot, and monitor a Microsoft Windows environment." know about
>>>> Windows NT.
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>>
>>> Russinovich is *God*, first of all.  Hail him, like Linus and Richard.
>>> Great programmer for all time.  But he's not suggesting that actual
>>> VMS code was "copied" by MS, it's ideas, more abstract.  It's not
>>> infringement.
>>
>> But the threshold was NEVER infringement, dickhead.
>>
>> You claimed that nothing was "copied".
>>
>> The IDEAS were copied.
>>
>> VERBATIM.
> 
> 
> How would infringement not be the threshold?  Software patenting is
> discredited.  DEC was just flaunting legal muscle, MS wisely got them
> off their back.

What about DECWindows?  Was DEC robbed twice?

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