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| Started by | Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> |
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| First post | 2024-12-25 17:48 +0000 |
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A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2024-12-25 17:48 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-25 12:22 -0600
Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2024-12-25 18:42 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-26 02:25 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-26 08:13 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-26 06:58 -0600
Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-26 15:06 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-26 16:21 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-27 10:13 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-27 07:50 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-27 15:03 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 14:11 -0600
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 15:18 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 14:36 -0600
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 15:43 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 14:56 -0600
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 15:59 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 15:05 -0600
Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-27 20:55 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 21:22 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-27 22:38 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 20:32 -0600
Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-27 22:38 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 21:47 -0600
Re: A New Machine Progresses rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-28 00:13 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 20:04 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-28 02:05 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 21:27 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses brock <brockt@allied_.abc> - 2024-12-28 09:29 +0100
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 08:33 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-12-28 07:30 -0700
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 10:45 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-12-28 11:45 -0700
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 13:50 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-12-29 04:47 -0700
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:48 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2024-12-31 04:11 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 16:08 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 04:28 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-01 02:00 -0800
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 11:58 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2025-01-01 12:31 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 14:22 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2025-01-01 14:49 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 14:55 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2025-01-01 16:49 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-02 08:06 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 18:22 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-03 08:20 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2025-01-01 17:04 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-02 08:05 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 07:25 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 04:26 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 11:56 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 07:27 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 10:52 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 22:54 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 15:24 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 14:44 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-06 07:51 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 04:21 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 11:55 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Ted <ted.street@yahoo.net> - 2024-12-28 10:53 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 12:41 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Ted <ted.street@yahoo.net> - 2024-12-28 12:45 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 12:56 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Ted <ted.street@yahoo.net> - 2024-12-28 13:02 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-28 16:58 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-28 10:58 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-28 16:58 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-29 02:48 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:59 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-29 22:37 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 19:48 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-30 02:04 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-31 10:44 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-31 21:21 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2024-12-31 13:47 -0800
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 16:52 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-31 22:43 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 18:29 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 15:41 -0800
Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-31 23:44 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 18:47 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-31 23:59 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:06 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-01 00:18 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:44 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-01 00:52 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 20:24 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-02 08:04 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2024-12-31 19:19 -0800
Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-02 08:03 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-02 08:02 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-02 08:01 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Klaus Schadenfreude <katt@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 13:25 -0800
Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-03 08:21 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Klaus Schadenfreude <katt@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 09:15 -0800
Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-31 17:12 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-28 01:57 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-28 02:11 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-28 14:02 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 10:11 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 12:22 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 15:27 -0600
Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-28 22:01 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 17:07 -0600
Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-28 23:20 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 18:24 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 18:39 -0600
Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-29 09:23 +0000
Re: A New Machine Progresses DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 19:14 -0500
Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 19:57 -0600
Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 20:01 -0600
Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 20:03 -0600
Re: A New Machine Progresses DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 18:50 -0500
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| From | Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 04:21 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <182anjlnp7bumipd473e4lqrk6i8r2cuqf@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #681486 |
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 13:50:04 -0500, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote: > >>> >> Some people handle DXM better than others. >>> > >>> >Only pussy junkies do that shit. >>> >>> Like you would know, heh. >> >>You do. > > >What I know is that DXM is one of the key drugs. Some are unaware of >it. Which doors does it unlock? NP: Atlanta Rhythm Section - Longing For A Feeling
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 11:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <jpsanj9ojb2se95piisi53msrqk5lnctel@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #682023 |
Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote: >>DXM is one of the key drugs. Some are unaware of >>it. > >Which doors does it unlock? The one to true genius. robocough.com -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Ted <ted.street@yahoo.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-28 10:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1815623405ca9a61$9524$406846$70dd7a6b@news.thecubenet.com> |
| In reply to | #681464 |
Skeeter wrote: > In article <afvvmjdfjk054oatsfrqddhasgua3ltne1@4ax.com>, > joelcrump@gmail.com says... >> >> brock <brockt@allied_.abc> wrote: >>> On 27 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some >>> news:kcoumjp98g9mjqo19iuo4ihvj6kp1uf0g1@4ax.com: >>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Please PM the name of your 'supplier' because even though I don't >>>>> partake I might make an exception this time. >>>>> Man are you brainwashed. >>>> >>>> https://robocough.com/20-99-per-bottle-robotablets-1-bottle/ >>> >>> While doing some island comm work, there were two guys who would buy >>> bottles of Robitussin and drink that stuff before they started the day. >>> We called them the robi twins. They would be so stoned that they >>> couldn't even hold a conversation. We used to take bets which one would >>> fall off a tower first. >> >> >> Some people handle DXM better than others. > > Only pussy junkies do that shit. > > Joel is a cock junkie.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-28 12:41 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <31e0nj5eppnra7f5hf81mf77tpqi3i74v0@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #681469 |
Ted <ted.street@yahoo.net> wrote: >Joel is a cock junkie. Only for trans women, not cis men. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Ted <ted.street@yahoo.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-28 12:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <18156855100baa6c$5$1948878$60dd6a6a@news.thecubenet.com> |
| In reply to | #681477 |
Joel wrote: > Ted <ted.street@yahoo.net> wrote: > >> Joel is a cock junkie. > > > Only for trans women, not cis men. > > Women don't have a cock, dumb fuck.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-28 12:56 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ise0njpcq6tbivlqrlasrs8gbqgntlt5tn@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #681478 |
Ted <ted.street@yahoo.net> wrote: >>> Joel is a cock junkie. >> >> Only for trans women, not cis men. >> >Women don't have a cock, dumb fuck. You don't have a BRAIN, DUMB FUCK. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Ted <ted.street@yahoo.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-28 13:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <18156938f6f43f61$17405$3091964$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com> |
| In reply to | #681480 |
Joel wrote: > Ted <ted.street@yahoo.net> wrote: > >>>> Joel is a cock junkie. >>> >>> Only for trans women, not cis men. >>> >> Women don't have a cock, dumb fuck. > > > You don't have a BRAIN, DUMB FUCK. > > https://postimg.cc/K1xRxGf8
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-28 16:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vkpt3l$i9t5$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681477 |
"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message news:31e0nj5eppnra7f5hf81mf77tpqi3i74v0@4ax.com... > Ted <ted.street@yahoo.net> wrote: > >>Joel is a cock junkie. > > > Only for trans women, not cis men. So only men with self delusions then?
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2024-12-28 10:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vkp77h$d0lu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681459 |
Joel wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
> brock <brockt@allied_.abc> wrote:
>>On 27 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
>>news:kcoumjp98g9mjqo19iuo4ihvj6kp1uf0g1@4ax.com:
>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Please PM the name of your 'supplier' because even though I don't
>>>>partake I might make an exception this time.
>>>>Man are you brainwashed.
>>>
>>> https://robocough.com/20-99-per-bottle-robotablets-1-bottle/
>>
>>While doing some island comm work, there were two guys who would buy
>>bottles of Robitussin and drink that stuff before they started the day.
>>We called them the robi twins. They would be so stoned that they
>>couldn't even hold a conversation. We used to take bets which one would
>>fall off a tower first.
>
> Some people handle DXM better than others.
How about this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwtT4ZBa3CE
Shpongle "Divine Moments of Truth"
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/09/12/the-ayahuasca-boom-in-the-u-s
Anybody up for a good vomit?
--
Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower.
-- Steve Jobs (1955-2011)
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-28 16:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vkpt3k$i9t5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681417 |
"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message news:0tiumj5u15mmr0k3h901tj4vuf0pr7ecgt@4ax.com... > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >>> -hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe [Biden, POTUS], not to >>> disrespect our outgoing >>> president, he's a great man. >> >>Adlai Stevenson was well-spoken to the point he was labeled 'egghead'. >>Probably apocryphal but the legend goes that after a speech a supporter >>said every intelligent person would vote for him. Stevenson said that was >>well and good but he needed a majority. >> >>He ran against Eisenhower in '52 and '56, losing by a landslide each time. >>People lapped up Eisenhower's avuncular style and much of the country >>looked at him and Mamie as grandparents. >> >>I don't know if Biden had it in him to be articulate but a successful >>politician may not want to present as very erudite. > > > Biden is WYSIWYG - he's a man who appears as he really is, a guy who > isn't a genius but works hard, follows the rules, gets things done. Biden certainly isn't a genius, 1 Point Biden is not a hard worker - 0 Points Biden does follow the rules for Democrats - 1 Point Biden hasn't gotten anything does - 0 Points. >It > was a good thing for four years. It was a miserable four years with most American's ending up worse off. > I was looking forward to Harris Idiots certainly were. > expanding on the successes of the administration, So nothing from her either. > but alas Trump won > the election, as I should've known he would. Well given senile Biden and Kamala's incompetence you certainly should have. > We're going to have to > find a balance, in the order of government, but my role will make it > work, bet on it. You have no role in government (thank god)
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| From | pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-29 02:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vkqd95$kusq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681506 |
On 2024-12-28, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote: > > > "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:0tiumj5u15mmr0k3h901tj4vuf0pr7ecgt@4ax.com... >> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> >>>> -hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe [Biden, POTUS], not to >>>> disrespect our outgoing >>>> president, he's a great man. >>> >>>Adlai Stevenson was well-spoken to the point he was labeled 'egghead'. >>>Probably apocryphal but the legend goes that after a speech a supporter >>>said every intelligent person would vote for him. Stevenson said that was >>>well and good but he needed a majority. >>> >>>He ran against Eisenhower in '52 and '56, losing by a landslide each time. >>>People lapped up Eisenhower's avuncular style and much of the country >>>looked at him and Mamie as grandparents. >>> >>>I don't know if Biden had it in him to be articulate but a successful >>>politician may not want to present as very erudite. >> >> >> Biden is WYSIWYG - he's a man who appears as he really is, a guy who >> isn't a genius but works hard, follows the rules, gets things done. > > Biden certainly isn't a genius, 1 Point He's a moron. > Biden is not a hard worker - 0 Points He spent 40% or more of his presidency on vacation. > Biden does follow the rules for Democrats - 1 Point They are all in lock step. > Biden hasn't gotten anything done - 0 Points. Biden has made a mess of the USA. >>It >> was a good thing for four years. > > It was a miserable four years with most American's ending up worse off. Exactly. > >> I was looking forward to Harris > > Idiots certainly were. Morons. >> expanding on the successes of the administration, > > So nothing from her either. What successes? Everything Biden has done has been a mess. >> but alas Trump won >> the election, as I should've known he would. > > Well given senile Biden and Kamala's incompetence you certainly should have. Yep. >> We're going to have to >> find a balance, in the order of government, but my role will make it >> work, bet on it. > > You have no role in government (thank god) Yes. -- pothead "Give a man a fish and you turn him into a Democrat for life" "Teach a man to fish and he might become a self-sufficient conservative Republican" "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up," --- Barack H. Obama
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-29 13:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vks663$12a03$4@dont-email.me> |
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On 12/28/24 9:48 PM, pothead wrote: > On 2024-12-28, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote: >> >> >> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:0tiumj5u15mmr0k3h901tj4vuf0pr7ecgt@4ax.com... >>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> >>>>> -hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe [Biden, POTUS], not to >>>>> disrespect our outgoing >>>>> president, he's a great man. >>>> >>>> Adlai Stevenson was well-spoken to the point he was labeled 'egghead'. >>>> Probably apocryphal but the legend goes that after a speech a supporter >>>> said every intelligent person would vote for him. Stevenson said that was >>>> well and good but he needed a majority. >>>> >>>> He ran against Eisenhower in '52 and '56, losing by a landslide each time. >>>> People lapped up Eisenhower's avuncular style and much of the country >>>> looked at him and Mamie as grandparents. >>>> >>>> I don't know if Biden had it in him to be articulate but a successful >>>> politician may not want to present as very erudite. >>> >>> >>> Biden is WYSIWYG - he's a man who appears as he really is, a guy who >>> isn't a genius but works hard, follows the rules, gets things done. >> >> Biden certainly isn't a genius, 1 Point > He's a moron. > >> Biden is not a hard worker - 0 Points > > He spent 40% or more of his presidency on vacation. > > >> Biden does follow the rules for Democrats - 1 Point > > They are all in lock step. > >> Biden hasn't gotten anything done - 0 Points. > > Biden has made a mess of the USA. > >>> It was a good thing for four years. >> >> It was a miserable four years with most American's ending up worse off. > > Exactly. As if its going to now get better, with the Tech Bros pushing for more H1-N's to avoid hiring Americans, and Trump supporting them. >>> expanding on the successes of the administration, >> >> So nothing from her either. > > What successes? > Everything Biden has done has been a mess. Such as? Note that not everything offers immediate gratification for shortsighted people to see. For example, infrastructure is a multi-year effort which takes time to build because how it was given to the States. In the meantime, the old DJT tune was "hows your 401k doing?", so how's that been? Well, during Biden's term, the DJIA is up by +38%, NASDAQ +46%, SP500 +55% .. if you didn't do well, be comforted by how Social Programs are slated to be on the chopping block starting in 2025. For everyone else, there were ~6.6M millionaires in the USA when DJT left office, and there's 7.5M today, a +14% increase: <https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/07/us-millionaire-population.html> -hh
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| From | pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-29 22:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vksj07$17hbq$1@dont-email.me> |
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On 2024-12-29, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: > On 12/28/24 9:48 PM, pothead wrote: >> On 2024-12-28, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:0tiumj5u15mmr0k3h901tj4vuf0pr7ecgt@4ax.com... >>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> -hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe [Biden, POTUS], not to >>>>>> disrespect our outgoing >>>>>> president, he's a great man. >>>>> >>>>> Adlai Stevenson was well-spoken to the point he was labeled 'egghead'. >>>>> Probably apocryphal but the legend goes that after a speech a supporter >>>>> said every intelligent person would vote for him. Stevenson said that was >>>>> well and good but he needed a majority. >>>>> >>>>> He ran against Eisenhower in '52 and '56, losing by a landslide each time. >>>>> People lapped up Eisenhower's avuncular style and much of the country >>>>> looked at him and Mamie as grandparents. >>>>> >>>>> I don't know if Biden had it in him to be articulate but a successful >>>>> politician may not want to present as very erudite. >>>> >>>> >>>> Biden is WYSIWYG - he's a man who appears as he really is, a guy who >>>> isn't a genius but works hard, follows the rules, gets things done. >>> >>> Biden certainly isn't a genius, 1 Point >> He's a moron. >> >>> Biden is not a hard worker - 0 Points >> >> He spent 40% or more of his presidency on vacation. >> >> >>> Biden does follow the rules for Democrats - 1 Point >> >> They are all in lock step. >> >>> Biden hasn't gotten anything done - 0 Points. >> >> Biden has made a mess of the USA. >> >>>> It was a good thing for four years. >>> >>> It was a miserable four years with most American's ending up worse off. >> >> Exactly. > > As if its going to now get better, with the Tech Bros pushing for more > H1-N's to avoid hiring Americans, and Trump supporting them. I do not support that however it's still better to have people here legally than jumping the fence. > >>>> expanding on the successes of the administration, >>> >>> So nothing from her either. >> >> What successes? >> Everything Biden has done has been a mess. > > Such as? Note that not everything offers immediate gratification for > shortsighted people to see. For example, infrastructure is a multi-year > effort which takes time to build because how it was given to the States. Infrastructure? With 7.5 billion and 8 total chargers built? How long is it going to take them build the rest? 50 years? Of course with Pete "pothole" Buttigieg in charge and Biden at the helm, that ship sank a long time ago. And then there is his BEAD portion of the bill. How's that going? Border crossings overwhelming states. Crime going through the roof due in part. And oh, the FBI revised their figures massively upwards. > In the meantime, the old DJT tune was "hows your 401k doing?", so how's > that been? Well, during Biden's term, the DJIA is up by +38%, NASDAQ > +46%, SP500 +55% .. if you didn't do well, be comforted by how Social > Programs are slated to be on the chopping block starting in 2025. For > everyone else, there were ~6.6M millionaires in the USA when DJT left > office, and there's 7.5M today, a +14% increase: > ><https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/07/us-millionaire-population.html> > > -hh Yada, yada, yada. Step back from your facts and figures and spun up numbers and try asking the people how they are doing? Oh, silly me, that was already done on November 5th and they spoke with their votes. Groceries and home goods up some 20% plus. Wages not keeping pace with inflation. Credit card debt going through the roof. Taxes going up to pay for illegal migrants. And then of course we have wars in every corner of the planet. Thank Joe Biden's weakness for that. As for me, my 401k has mostly recovered, I am retired, house paid for and things are good. But that's me. Kids starting out now don't stand a chance and certainly don't have the same opportunities that I've had where hard work, a lucrative career can provide. And that is why confidence in Biden sits at 34% or so in Gallop's latest poll. Joe Biden is a complete disaster and has totally screwed this country into the ground. -- pothead "Give a man a fish and you turn him into a Democrat for life" "Teach a man to fish and he might become a self-sufficient conservative Republican" "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up," --- Barack H. Obama
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-29 19:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vksqk3$12584$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681650 |
On 12/29/24 5:37 PM, pothead wrote: > On 2024-12-29, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: >> On 12/28/24 9:48 PM, pothead wrote: >>> On 2024-12-28, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:0tiumj5u15mmr0k3h901tj4vuf0pr7ecgt@4ax.com... >>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> -hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe [Biden, POTUS], not to >>>>>>> disrespect our outgoing >>>>>>> president, he's a great man. >>>>>> >>>>>> Adlai Stevenson was well-spoken to the point he was labeled 'egghead'. >>>>>> Probably apocryphal but the legend goes that after a speech a supporter >>>>>> said every intelligent person would vote for him. Stevenson said that was >>>>>> well and good but he needed a majority. >>>>>> >>>>>> He ran against Eisenhower in '52 and '56, losing by a landslide each time. >>>>>> People lapped up Eisenhower's avuncular style and much of the country >>>>>> looked at him and Mamie as grandparents. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know if Biden had it in him to be articulate but a successful >>>>>> politician may not want to present as very erudite. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Biden is WYSIWYG - he's a man who appears as he really is, a guy who >>>>> isn't a genius but works hard, follows the rules, gets things done. >>>> >>>> Biden certainly isn't a genius, 1 Point >>> He's a moron. >>> >>>> Biden is not a hard worker - 0 Points >>> >>> He spent 40% or more of his presidency on vacation. >>> >>> >>>> Biden does follow the rules for Democrats - 1 Point >>> >>> They are all in lock step. >>> >>>> Biden hasn't gotten anything done - 0 Points. >>> >>> Biden has made a mess of the USA. >>> >>>>> It was a good thing for four years. >>>> >>>> It was a miserable four years with most American's ending up worse off. >>> >>> Exactly. >> >> As if its going to now get better, with the Tech Bros pushing for more >> H1-N's to avoid hiring Americans, and Trump supporting them. > > I do not support that however it's still better to have people here legally > than jumping the fence. Unfortunately, the structure of the H1-N program is Corporate Welfare and represss wages of honest American workers. Been that way for far far too long, because of the corporate money in US politics. >>>>> expanding on the successes of the administration, >>>> >>>> So nothing from her either. >>> >>> What successes? >>> Everything Biden has done has been a mess. >> >> Such as? Note that not everything offers immediate gratification for >> shortsighted people to see. For example, infrastructure is a multi-year >> effort which takes time to build because how it was given to the States. > > Infrastructure? > With 7.5 billion and 8 total chargers built? > How long is it going to take them build the rest? > 50 years? Go bitch to your local State officials for why its been so slow. Because (and as I said), the money was handed to the States to execute, adding a layer of lag. This inefficieny is a direct consequence of what you asked for with the Right's "Small Government" & "Don't Tread on Me/States Rights!" petulance. > Of course with Pete "pothole" Buttigieg in charge and Biden at the helm, > that ship sank a long time ago. Or look to Baltimore where that bridge got taken down and how fast the channel got cleared by the Fed when they're free to lead when not mired down in partisan & State turf war politics. > And then there is his BEAD portion of the bill. > How's that going? Sorry, not familiar with it; please elaborate. > Border crossings overwhelming states. Yet down by 75%. > Crime going through the roof due in part. And oh, the FBI revised their figures > massively upwards. Some are moving higher, but are still below recent highs. >> In the meantime, the old DJT tune was "hows your 401k doing?", so how's >> that been? Well, during Biden's term, the DJIA is up by +38%, NASDAQ >> +46%, SP500 +55% .. if you didn't do well, be comforted by how Social >> Programs are slated to be on the chopping block starting in 2025. For >> everyone else, there were ~6.6M millionaires in the USA when DJT left >> office, and there's 7.5M today, a +14% increase: >> >> <https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/07/us-millionaire-population.html> >> >> -hh > > Yada, yada, yada. > Step back from your facts and figures and spun up numbers and try asking the people > how they are doing? > > Oh, silly me, that was already done on November 5th and they spoke with their votes. Because of years of union busting including falsely named "Right to Work" laws in Red States which took away workers' rights, which gave Enterprise even more power over workers wages & compensation... ...but the GOP's propaganda machine distracted them to "values" instead of their own financial best interests. Next! > Groceries and home goods up some 20% plus. What would they have cost since 2008 had we had the historical average of +2.5%/year inflation? Because the brief pop we had to 8% inflation represents a Reversion to the Mean. Next. > Wages not keeping pace with inflation. Except for how wage increases have exceeded inflation for the past year. Next. > Credit card debt going through the roof. Normalize it by GDP growth and get back to us to show that it actually is "up". Next. > Taxes going up to pay for illegal migrants. Except that tax rates haven't changed... ...and FYI, if the 2017 TCJA gets extended by Trump in 2025, the amount of economic stimulus from it as a result will be exactly zero. The reason why is obvious once you think about it for a minute. Next. > And then of course we have wars in every corner of the planet. > Thank Joe Biden's weakness for that. Nope. You've never been read in on that picture to know what's really going on. > As for me, my 401k has mostly recovered, I am retired, house paid for and > things are good. 2022 was Biden's only down year, and it affected mostly those who were aggressively invested in the Equities market ... which at your age & retired, you shouldn't have been to have seen much of any loss. Even so, 2022 merely was giving back 2021's gains, and since 2023, & 24 have both been up years at 2x the historical average rate: the net sum has been roughly a +40% growth over the past four years. Next. > But that's me. > Kids starting out now don't stand a chance and certainly don't have the same > opportunities that I've had where hard work, a lucrative career can provide. Yup, but then why are you so opposed to the social and infrastructure programs intended & designed to help them...? > And that is why confidence in Biden sits at 34% or so in Gallop's latest poll. Polls have become so toxic as to be irrelevant: Biden could wipe out the entire National Debt tomorrow *and* cure cancer *and* wipe Russia & China off the map and he still wouldn't crack 50%. > Joe Biden is a complete disaster and has totally screwed this country into the ground. You believe whatever you want ... but you're going to have to first survive the consequences of what you asked for, for at least the next four years. -hh
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| From | pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-30 02:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vksv31$19upn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681668 |
On 2024-12-30, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: > On 12/29/24 5:37 PM, pothead wrote: >> On 2024-12-29, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: >>> On 12/28/24 9:48 PM, pothead wrote: >>>> On 2024-12-28, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:0tiumj5u15mmr0k3h901tj4vuf0pr7ecgt@4ax.com... >>>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> -hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe [Biden, POTUS], not to >>>>>>>> disrespect our outgoing >>>>>>>> president, he's a great man. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adlai Stevenson was well-spoken to the point he was labeled 'egghead'. >>>>>>> Probably apocryphal but the legend goes that after a speech a supporter >>>>>>> said every intelligent person would vote for him. Stevenson said that was >>>>>>> well and good but he needed a majority. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He ran against Eisenhower in '52 and '56, losing by a landslide each time. >>>>>>> People lapped up Eisenhower's avuncular style and much of the country >>>>>>> looked at him and Mamie as grandparents. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know if Biden had it in him to be articulate but a successful >>>>>>> politician may not want to present as very erudite. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Biden is WYSIWYG - he's a man who appears as he really is, a guy who >>>>>> isn't a genius but works hard, follows the rules, gets things done. >>>>> >>>>> Biden certainly isn't a genius, 1 Point >>>> He's a moron. >>>> >>>>> Biden is not a hard worker - 0 Points >>>> >>>> He spent 40% or more of his presidency on vacation. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Biden does follow the rules for Democrats - 1 Point >>>> >>>> They are all in lock step. >>>> >>>>> Biden hasn't gotten anything done - 0 Points. >>>> >>>> Biden has made a mess of the USA. >>>> >>>>>> It was a good thing for four years. >>>>> >>>>> It was a miserable four years with most American's ending up worse off. >>>> >>>> Exactly. >>> >>> As if its going to now get better, with the Tech Bros pushing for more >>> H1-N's to avoid hiring Americans, and Trump supporting them. >> >> I do not support that however it's still better to have people here legally >> than jumping the fence. > > Unfortunately, the structure of the H1-N program is Corporate Welfare > and represss wages of honest American workers. Been that way for far > far too long, because of the corporate money in US politics. I agree. It also allows the corporations to have more control over their employees as they are afraid to make waves lest they get sent home. > >>>>>> expanding on the successes of the administration, >>>>> >>>>> So nothing from her either. >>>> >>>> What successes? >>>> Everything Biden has done has been a mess. >>> >>> Such as? Note that not everything offers immediate gratification for >>> shortsighted people to see. For example, infrastructure is a multi-year >>> effort which takes time to build because how it was given to the States. >> >> Infrastructure? >> With 7.5 billion and 8 total chargers built? >> How long is it going to take them build the rest? >> 50 years? > > Go bitch to your local State officials for why its been so slow. Elon Musk seems to have no troubles. Maybe the government and Mayor Pete should ask him how he does it? > Because (and as I said), the money was handed to the States to execute, > adding a layer of lag. This inefficieny is a direct consequence of what > you asked for with the Right's "Small Government" & "Don't Tread on > Me/States Rights!" petulance. The buck stops with Biden. And is anyone keeping track of this money? Sounds like another CA high speed train to nowhere. >> Of course with Pete "pothole" Buttigieg in charge and Biden at the helm, >> that ship sank a long time ago. > > Or look to Baltimore where that bridge got taken down and how fast the > channel got cleared by the Fed when they're free to lead when not mired > down in partisan & State turf war politics. That was an excellent effort but an outlier and not typical. > >> And then there is his BEAD portion of the bill. >> How's that going? > > Sorry, not familiar with it; please elaborate. Sorry... Broadband Equity Access And Deployment. $42.45 billion to expand high speed Internet. As of September 2024 it has connected 0 people. <https://www.washingtonpolicy.org/publications/detail/the-42-billion-internet-program-that-has-connected-0-people> Both of the above are part of Biden's infrastructure bill and jobs act of 2021. > >> Border crossings overwhelming states. > > Yet down by 75%. Yea. Typical cherry picking. So Biden allows 10's of millions of illegals into the country mostly unvetted and then during election season he clamps down a bit so it drops. sorry. And BTW those are only the ones BP know about. The gottaways raise that number. And besides that under Trump were cities like NYC crying for relief from the feds due to mass migration? Was crime in said cities increasing under Trump? No bueno. > >> Crime going through the roof due in part. And oh, the FBI revised their figures >> massively upwards. > > Some are moving higher, but are still below recent highs. Tell that to the people of NYC or Chicago or Portland or...... > >>> In the meantime, the old DJT tune was "hows your 401k doing?", so how's >>> that been? Well, during Biden's term, the DJIA is up by +38%, NASDAQ >>> +46%, SP500 +55% .. if you didn't do well, be comforted by how Social >>> Programs are slated to be on the chopping block starting in 2025. For >>> everyone else, there were ~6.6M millionaires in the USA when DJT left >>> office, and there's 7.5M today, a +14% increase: >>> >>> <https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/07/us-millionaire-population.html> >>> >>> -hh >> >> Yada, yada, yada. >> Step back from your facts and figures and spun up numbers and try asking the people >> how they are doing? >> >> Oh, silly me, that was already done on November 5th and they spoke with their votes. > > Because of years of union busting including falsely named "Right to > Work" laws in Red States which took away workers' rights, which gave > Enterprise even more power over workers wages & compensation... Unions have become ultra corrupt in recent years and they have served their purpose. They pretend to support the rank and file but the leaders are getting rich on shady deals. Even Trump knows all about that one as he was greasing the correct palms in NYC in order to get his buildings built. It's just part of doing business in NYC. So even when the leaders support a candidate, which is almost always a democrat, the rank and file vote however they want. Speaking of unions, here is a good video with Tucker interviewing Teamsters boss Sean O'Brian. He sure has some choice words regarding Kamala Harris. <https://youtu.be/GJe-8TyJhrw?si=9np2Bso8dB2Gv2UU&t=1> > ...but the GOP's propaganda machine distracted them to "values" instead > of their own financial best interests. Next! ROTFLMAO! GOP propaganda machine? When the democrats have the MSM, virtually all of them, in their back pocket running cover for them. Hunter laptop. Russia. Biden is sharp as a tack. Paid for Russian dossier. The FBI lying about the Hunter laptop so social media/big tech could censor it. The WSJ recently had an article describing how the MSM covered for Biden and was the real reason he won in 2020. So no bueno again. BTW, I don't think you really believe that the GOP has the power to influence like the DNC does with MSM, Hollywood, Sports stars and so forth backing them. You are simply attempting to make excuses for why you lost in November. And the answer is, the people saw 4 years of hell under Biden, you put up a loser of a candidate who didn't receive a single vote but was appointed and the media could no longer cover for these people although they tried. > >> Groceries and home goods up some 20% plus. > > What would they have cost since 2008 had we had the historical average > of +2.5%/year inflation? Because the brief pop we had to 8% inflation > represents a Reversion to the Mean. Next. 2008 called and they want their copy of Visicalc back :) . Numbers again. Hint, we are talking about reality here and even you must notice your grocery cart has fewer items and you pay more for them. Put away the spreadsheet and listen to the people. Your excuses are exactly why Kamala lost the election. When Biden was still a candidate he tried telling the people that Bidenomics was working but the people, the average people, weren't falling for it so his advisors told him not to speak about it. It's classic democrat behavior. Another example is the Governor of CO telling the people there are no Venezuelan gangs taking over apartment building all the while videos were all over the place. And more recently the WH Kirby I believe telling the people seeing drones that they are seeing regular aircraft, stars or the like. Sound familiar? Basically the democrats use the same strategy as the Iraqi War Minister who was on TV telling his people that they were winning the war as coalition tanks were breaching a hill right behind him. >> Wages not keeping pace with inflation. > > Except for how wage increases have exceeded inflation for the past year. > Next. Throughout the Biden presidency and including items like groceries and fuel/utilities which are not in the calculations. >> Credit card debt going through the roof. > > Normalize it by GDP growth and get back to us to show that it actually > is "up". Next. You lose again. <https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/27/credit-card-debt-set-to-hit-record-levels-as-consumer-holiday-spending-rises.html> <https://www.reddit.com/r/MiddleClassFinance/comments/1gg9x8b/more_than_40_of_american_households_rely_on/?rdt=64726> >> Taxes going up to pay for illegal migrants. > > Except that tax rates haven't changed... State and local. And they will go up in places like NYC who have to pay for the migrants somehow. Either that or cut programs, which is also happening. > ...and FYI, if the 2017 TCJA gets extended by Trump in 2025, the amount > of economic stimulus from it as a result will be exactly zero. The > reason why is obvious once you think about it for a minute. Next. People in states that have fiscal responsibility did well under his plan. People in fiscally out of control states mostly did not because they lost the SALT deduction. > >> And then of course we have wars in every corner of the planet. >> Thank Joe Biden's weakness for that. > > Nope. You've never been read in on that picture to know what's really > going on. Lol. I see exactly what is going on and Biden's weakness on the world stage is a big part of it. >> As for me, my 401k has mostly recovered, I am retired, house paid for and >> things are good. > > 2022 was Biden's only down year, and it affected mostly those who were > aggressively invested in the Equities market ... which at your age & > retired, you shouldn't have been to have seen much of any loss. > > Even so, 2022 merely was giving back 2021's gains, and since 2023, & 24 > have both been up years at 2x the historical average rate: the net sum > has been roughly a +40% growth over the past four years. Next. > > >> But that's me. >> Kids starting out now don't stand a chance and certainly don't have the same >> opportunities that I've had where hard work, a lucrative career can provide. > > Yup, but then why are you so opposed to the social and infrastructure > programs intended & designed to help them...? Because they are money pits that don't help the right people. Why are migrants in NYC staying in 4 star hotels while homeless veterans are sleeping on the streets? Under Joe Biden's "America Last Program"" the country has lost faith in our system. Billions and billions go to Ukraine and other foreign countries and yet FEMA runs out of money for our own citizens. People see that and are disgusted. America first and once we are on an even keel then we can worry about the rest of the world. Peace by strength works. Appeasement does not. > >> And that is why confidence in Biden sits at 34% or so in Gallop's latest poll. > > Polls have become so toxic as to be irrelevant: Biden could wipe out > the entire National Debt tomorrow *and* cure cancer *and* wipe Russia & > China off the map and he still wouldn't crack 50%. Speculation. I'm not a fan of polls but Biden and Kamala Harris are horrible people and horrible candidates who have lost touch with the people. It's going to take the democrat party a long time to win back the trust of the people. Even the hardcore left wing media admits that. > >> Joe Biden is a complete disaster and has totally screwed this country into the ground. > > You believe whatever you want ... but you're going to have to first > survive the consequences of what you asked for, for at least the next > four years. Trump will either make things better or worse. Nobody knows however everyone knows what the country has been like under Biden and the democrats and it's not positive which is why the democrats lost in November. Time will tell. > > -hh -- pothead "Give a man a fish and you turn him into a Democrat for life" "Teach a man to fish and he might become a self-sufficient conservative Republican" "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up," --- Barack H. Obama
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 10:44 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vl13hc$1mknq$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681677 |
On 12/29/24 9:04 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-12-30, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 12/29/24 5:37 PM, pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-29, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>> On 12/28/24 9:48 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-12-28, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:0tiumj5u15mmr0k3h901tj4vuf0pr7ecgt@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe [Biden, POTUS], not to
>>>>>>>>> disrespect our outgoing
>>>>>>>>> president, he's a great man.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Adlai Stevenson was well-spoken to the point he was labeled 'egghead'.
>>>>>>>> Probably apocryphal but the legend goes that after a speech a supporter
>>>>>>>> said every intelligent person would vote for him. Stevenson said that was
>>>>>>>> well and good but he needed a majority.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He ran against Eisenhower in '52 and '56, losing by a landslide each time.
>>>>>>>> People lapped up Eisenhower's avuncular style and much of the country
>>>>>>>> looked at him and Mamie as grandparents.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know if Biden had it in him to be articulate but a successful
>>>>>>>> politician may not want to present as very erudite.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Biden is WYSIWYG - he's a man who appears as he really is, a guy who
>>>>>>> isn't a genius but works hard, follows the rules, gets things done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Biden certainly isn't a genius, 1 Point
>>>>> He's a moron.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Biden is not a hard worker - 0 Points
>>>>>
>>>>> He spent 40% or more of his presidency on vacation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Biden does follow the rules for Democrats - 1 Point
>>>>>
>>>>> They are all in lock step.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Biden hasn't gotten anything done - 0 Points.
>>>>>
>>>>> Biden has made a mess of the USA.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was a good thing for four years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was a miserable four years with most American's ending up worse off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly.
>>>>
>>>> As if its going to now get better, with the Tech Bros pushing for more
>>>> H1-N's to avoid hiring Americans, and Trump supporting them.
>>>
>>> I do not support that however it's still better to have people here legally
>>> than jumping the fence.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the structure of the H1-N program is Corporate Welfare
>> and represss wages of honest American workers. Been that way for far
>> far too long, because of the corporate money in US politics.
>
> I agree.
> It also allows the corporations to have more control over their employees
> as they are afraid to make waves lest they get sent home.
The exploitation is particularly rampant in Tech ...
...including diehard Red GOP contributors: Tesla laid off 2,688 Texas
employees immediately after having 2,639 H1B visas approved in 2022-23.
<https://x.com/merissahansen17/status/1873959674678288516>
>>>>>>> expanding on the successes of the administration,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So nothing from her either.
>>>>>
>>>>> What successes?
>>>>> Everything Biden has done has been a mess.
>>>>
>>>> Such as? Note that not everything offers immediate gratification for
>>>> shortsighted people to see. For example, infrastructure is a multi-year
>>>> effort which takes time to build because how it was given to the States.
>>>
>>> Infrastructure?
>>> With 7.5 billion and 8 total chargers built?
>>> How long is it going to take them build the rest?
>>> 50 years?
>>
>> Go bitch to your local State officials for why its been so slow.
>
> Elon Musk seems to have no troubles.
> Maybe the government and Mayor Pete should ask him how he does it?
No, the reasons are already well known: Private Enterprise doesn't have
to follow the FAR, nor State laws: they're free to sole-source a job
instead of having to wait for it to go out on competitive bids, etc.
Another is that they often sidestep (or flat out disregard) rules &
regulations, such as Environmental, Safety, etc.
Plus there's also been more progress on EV chargers than what your news
source told you:
"There are now 200,000 publicly available EV charging ports in the
U.S.—more than doubled since the start of the Biden-Harris
Administration..."
Official statement on 31 DEC 2024 by Secretary Pete Buttigieg
<https://x.com/TimInHonolulu/status/1873537855466979333>
Math: over 100,000 new chargers deployed.
>> Because (and as I said), the money was handed to the States to execute,
>> adding a layer of lag. This inefficieny is a direct consequence of what
>> you asked for with the Right's "Small Government" & "Don't Tread on
>> Me/States Rights!" petulance.
>
> The buck stops with Biden.
> And is anyone keeping track of this money?
Yup! The Fed will spend $100 to keep track of $1. Why? because there's
historically been graft & fraud perpetrated by corrupt individuals &
businesses exploiting taxpayer funds. I can recall a local news report
from a few years ago where a contracting official violated the law to
give contracts to the vendor who gave him an outboard motor and a free
home bathroom renovation. I haven't heard if they got jail time.
> Sounds like another CA high speed train to nowhere.
Is the Boring Company really doing any better? Some posit that Boring
only exists to be opposition to government transportation projects, and
their poor performance to date supports this interpretation.
Plus my understanding of the CA train is that interests who are
irrevocably opposed to building anything are effectively abusing the
checks-&-balances to try to stop the project by bankrupting it. We do
need to keep in mind that laws (eg, Environmental, etc) exist in
reaction to historical abuses, and the challenge is to develop means to
prevent the rules themselves from being abused (pendulum swung too far):
lawyers have gotten way too effective in exploiting 0.1% niche cases
to "tail wag the dog" illogical outcomes. Likewise, for cherry-picking
the cases & court venue to shift the odds (East Texas, anyone?).
>>> Of course with Pete "pothole" Buttigieg in charge and Biden at the helm,
>>> that ship sank a long time ago.
>>
>> Or look to Baltimore where that bridge got taken down and how fast the
>> channel got cleared by the Fed when they're free to lead when not mired
>> down in partisan & State turf war politics.
>
> That was an excellent effort but an outlier and not typical.
No, its what's typical when there's not partisan bickering & opposition.
BTDT.
>>> And then there is his BEAD portion of the bill.
>>> How's that going?
>>
>> Sorry, not familiar with it; please elaborate.
>
> Sorry...
> Broadband Equity Access And Deployment.
> $42.45 billion to expand high speed Internet.
> As of September 2024 it has connected 0 people.
>
> <https://www.washingtonpolicy.org/publications/detail/the-42-billion-internet-program-that-has-connected-0-people>
>
> Both of the above are part of Biden's infrastructure bill and jobs act of 2021.
Except that there's been many government programs which seek to do some
good such as to bring services to underserved communities which goes
back to at least the 1930s (Rural Electrification Act). Yes, there's
beenmore recent ones for telecommunication and where taxpayers have
gotten ripped off too. Again, corporate welfare/kickbacks.
Likewise, look at the money that got dumped into Louisiana via pork
projects via the Army Corp of Engineers back in the 1970s: unused canal
locks named after the politicians who brought home the bacon. Jimmy
Carter tried to shut these projects down, but lost in Congress.
>>> Border crossings overwhelming states.
>>
>> Yet down by 75%.
>
> Yea.
> Typical cherry picking.
Still true though. Plus keep in mind that Trump's only real success
here was due to CoVid, which gave him emergency powers (now expired).
> So Biden allows 10's of millions of illegals into the country mostly unvetted
> and then during election season he clamps down a bit so it drops.
> sorry.
While under Trump, how many 10's of millions came in & stayed?
The 'unvetted' could've been solved with 2024 bipartisan legislation ...
but just who was it who ordered that killed before the election?
> And BTW those are only the ones BP know about.
> The gottaways raise that number.
When you use CBP encounters reports for your "10's of Millions", many of
those were promptly deported, making your baseline claim be way off.
> And besides that under Trump were cities like NYC crying for relief from
> the feds due to mass migration?
Did you notice that NYC's complaints didn't start until the CoVid Relief
funds ended? Golly, how about that... /s
> Was crime in said cities increasing under Trump?
> > No bueno.
There was a CoVid surge...but why are you only caring about crime in
cities? Gosh, it couldn't happen to be because US homicide rates are
the highest in Southern Red states, not CA or the Northeast:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Intentional_Homicide_Rate_by_U.S._State.svg>
Plus if you're trying to blame crime on immigrants, the crime data shows
that that it shifted 50 years ago.
Today, it is known that immigrants are *less* per capita, which means an
influx into a region has the net effect of lowering the crime rate:
<https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/aeri.20230459>
<https://x.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/1873911576232956022>
>>> Crime going through the roof due in part. And oh, the FBI revised their figures
>>> massively upwards.
Nah, the YoY changes are being blown out of proportion, because the
current rates are literally half (or less) of what they were back in the
1990s. Case in point, 1993 to 2022:
Violent Crime/100K: 747 --> 318 = 57% decline
Property Crimes/100K: 4740 --> 1954 = 59% decline
<https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/>
And 2023's report was another 11% lower on homicides:
<https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/23/us/murder-crime-rate-fbi.html>
>> Some are moving higher, but are still below recent highs.
>
> Tell that to the people of NYC or Chicago or Portland or......
Sure:
"Chicago has so far recorded its lowest number of homicides and
shootings since 2019, city data shows."
"New York still has seen a roughly 7 percent drop in murders and
shootings this year, according to New York Police Department data
through mid-December, compared with the same time period last year."
<https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/30/us/murders-decline-crime-concerns.html>
>>>> In the meantime, the old DJT tune was "hows your 401k doing?", so how's
>>>> that been? Well, during Biden's term, the DJIA is up by +38%, NASDAQ
>>>> +46%, SP500 +55% .. if you didn't do well, be comforted by how Social
>>>> Programs are slated to be on the chopping block starting in 2025. For
>>>> everyone else, there were ~6.6M millionaires in the USA when DJT left
>>>> office, and there's 7.5M today, a +14% increase:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/07/us-millionaire-population.html>
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>
>>> Yada, yada, yada.
>>> Step back from your facts and figures and spun up numbers and try asking the people
>>> how they are doing?
>>>
>>> Oh, silly me, that was already done on November 5th and they spoke with their votes.
>>
>> Because of years of union busting including falsely named "Right to
>> Work" laws in Red States which took away workers' rights, which gave
>> Enterprise even more power over workers wages & compensation...
>
> Unions have become ultra corrupt in recent years and they have served their purpose.
Where "in recent years" was when Jimmy Hoffa was still alive.
> They pretend to support the rank and file but the leaders are getting rich
> on shady deals. Even Trump knows all about that one as he was greasing the
> correct palms in NYC in order to get his buildings built.
Trump brought in union busters, including illegal immigrants from Poland
> It's just part of doing business in NYC. So even when the leaders
> support a candidate, which is almost always a democrat, the rank and
> file vote however they want.
Oh, did you completely forget about Rudy Giuliani & Michael Bloomberg?
They weren't Democrats and served for 5 of the past 8 terms = 62%.
>> ...but the GOP's propaganda machine distracted them to "values" instead
>> of their own financial best interests. Next!
>
> ROTFLMAO!
> GOP propaganda machine?
Yup! As I said, the GOP narrative was "values".
> When the democrats have the MSM, virtually all of them, in their back pocket
> running cover for them.
With the likes of Twitter, just how is MSM still that relevant?
You don't recall the MAGA brags about the poor MSNBC/CNN ratings?
>>> Groceries and home goods up some 20% plus.
>>
>> What would they have cost since 2008 had we had the historical average
>> of +2.5%/year inflation? Because the brief pop we had to 8% inflation
>> represents a Reversion to the Mean. Next.
>
> 2008 called and they want their copy of Visicalc back :) .
> Numbers again.
Yup, because they objectively reveal what's actually been happening,
without emotions.
> Hint, we are talking about reality here and even you must notice your grocery cart
> has fewer items and you pay more for them.
> Put away the spreadsheet and listen to the people.
Despite your attempt to disregard, the numbers do not lie.
Case in point, here’s the math:
The historical average rate of US inflation is 2.5%/year.
Had we had an average rate of inflation over the 12 years of 2008-2020,
total inflation would have been 1.025^12 = 1.345 = +34.5%
But the actual CPI inflation during that time was just +20.2%
That's great to be below average ... but it is not normal. It is also
what you'd grown used to, and assuming that it is normal in a logical
fallacy known as "Recency Bias".
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recency_bias>
Similarly, 2.5% for 15 years (2008-2023) is +44.8% vs actual 41.5%:
still ~3 points below average, but the gap closed: this closing is the
principle of "Reversion to the Mean".
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean>
Finally, 16 years is +48.5% for the expected average from 2.5%/year,
versus +46.5% actual (2008-present): still 2 points below average.
TL;DR: since 2008, we’re still paying less today than if we would have
had the +2.5%/yr average rate of inflation over the same time period.
What this shows is that the anomaly wasn’t a year of high inflation, but
rather, a decade+ of extremely low inflation rates which biased our
perceptions of what is normal. Now that things are effectively back to
normal, some folks are crying because they forgot what normal is like.
> Your excuses are exactly why Kamala lost the election.
> When Biden was still a candidate he tried telling the people that
> Bidenomics was working but the people, the average people, weren't> falling for it so his advisors told him not to speak about it.
Biden/Harris lost due to the GOP "culture war" values narrative, not
based on economic policy or economic reality.
You've demonstrated this yourself when you said that you're personally
fine, yet despite your firsthand knowledge of your own finances, you
believe that everyone's vastly worse off, and you're somehow flip to not
being selfish when you claim to be worried more about "the little guy".
> And more recently the WH Kirby I believe telling the people seeing
> drones that they are seeing regular aircraft, stars or the like.
I'm at ground zero for that, & "saw some" myself ... he's right.
We're under the flight paths of multiple airports, and nearly all of the
alleged citizen sightings occurred at night, who finally looked up.
FYI: anyone being nefarious would've turned off their navigation lights.
>>> Wages not keeping pace with inflation.
>>
>> Except for how wage increases have exceeded inflation for the past year.
>> Next.
>
> Throughout the Biden presidency and including items like groceries and fuel/utilities
> which are not in the calculations.
It may depend on which inflation metric you're using to compare: which
one are you using when you made that claim? (Do you even know?)
FYI, this comparison uses CPI (not CPI-U, not CPI-W), which is the
broadest and most popular metric:
<https://www.statista.com/statistics/1351276/wage-growth-vs-inflation-us/>
>>> Credit card debt going through the roof.
>>
>> Normalize it by GDP growth and get back to us to show that it actually
>> is "up". Next.
>
> You lose again.
>
> <https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/27/credit-card-debt-set-to-hit-record-levels-as-consumer-holiday-spending-rises.html>
> <https://www.reddit.com/r/MiddleClassFinance/comments/1gg9x8b/more_than_40_of_american_households_rely_on/?rdt=64726>
Nope, neither of those address the point I'm making, and it sounds like
you don't even understand its basic principle. Let me give you some
numbers to help you understand:
US 2024 GDP growth is projected to be +2.7% YoY.
Consumer use of debt is some number ... the specific value doesn't matter.
When Consumer use of debt stays the same, because its a percentage of
their economic activity, the growth in debt use should grow at the same
rate as the economy ... eg, GDP growth.
Therefore, Consumer use of debt *should* grow by +2.7% in 2024, because
that's the GDP growth.
To know if Consumer use of debt is actually growing (or shrinking), one
has to normalize ("divide by") GDP to remove normal GDP growth as a
factor that's confounding your data.
This is analytics 102.
>>> Taxes going up to pay for illegal migrants.
>>
>> Except that tax rates haven't changed...
>
> State and local.
Where? Name names. Neither my State nor Local income or sales taxe
rates have increased for years.
>> ...and FYI, if the 2017 TCJA gets extended by Trump in 2025, the amount
>> of economic stimulus from it as a result will be exactly zero. The
>> reason why is obvious once you think about it for a minute. Next.
>
> People in states that have fiscal responsibility did well under his plan.
> People in fiscally out of control states mostly did not because they lost the
> SALT deduction.
SALT cap was political, to punitively hurt donor Blue State citizens.
But you're still dodging my point: if Trump extends the 2017 TCJA in
2025, the economic impact of doing so will be **zero**.
>>> And then of course we have wars in every corner of the planet.
>>> Thank Joe Biden's weakness for that.
>>
>> Nope. You've never been read in on that picture to know what's really
>> going on.
>
> Lol.
> I see exactly what is going on and Biden's weakness on the world stage is
> a big part of it.
Nah, you completely missed the point in the above, which is a tell.
>>> As for me, my 401k has mostly recovered, I am retired, house paid for and
>>> things are good.
>>
>> 2022 was Biden's only down year, and it affected mostly those who were
>> aggressively invested in the Equities market ... which at your age &
>> retired, you shouldn't have been to have seen much of any loss.
>>
>> Even so, 2022 merely was giving back 2021's gains, and since 2023, & 24
>> have both been up years at 2x the historical average rate: the net sum
>> has been roughly a +40% growth over the past four years. Next.
>>
>>
>>> But that's me.
>>> Kids starting out now don't stand a chance and certainly don't have the same
>>> opportunities that I've had where hard work, a lucrative career can provide.
>>
>> Yup, but then why are you so opposed to the social and infrastructure
>> programs intended & designed to help them...?
>
> Because they are money pits that don't help the right people.
>
> Why are migrants in NYC staying in 4 star hotels while homeless veterans
> are sleeping on the streets?
Because we've made progress on Homeless Vets that you're ignoring:
"Veteran homelessness reached an all-time low this year and we also
exceeded our goal to house 41,000 Veterans by over 16%. Ultimately, we
housed the largest number of Veterans in a single year since 2019."
<https://news.va.gov/137268/how-were-winning-fight-end-veteran-homelessness/>
Plus the practice of using hotel rooms for displaced goes back decades;
if there's "4 Star" hotels now participating, that's their freedom of
how to conduct their business, based on their corporate priorities.
And if you're trying to say that cities are overpaying for luxury room,
you need to provide actual proof of what room rates they're paying
instead of doing a conveniently vague handwave of innuendo without
accountability.
> Under Joe Biden's "America Last Program"" the country has lost faith in our system.
> Billions and billions go to Ukraine and other foreign countries and yet FEMA runs out of money
> for our own citizens.
Until you actually follow the Ukraine money instead of listening to MAGA
Media: most of it is staying in America and funding American jobs, by
buying new military hardware to replace old stuff being sent over.
> People see that and are disgusted.
> America first and once we are on an even keel then we can worry about the rest of the world.
> Peace by strength works.
> Appeasement does not.
Which is why we're supporting Ukraine instead of appeasing Russia.
>>> And that is why confidence in Biden sits at 34% or so in Gallop's latest poll.
>>
>> Polls have become so toxic as to be irrelevant: Biden could wipe out
>> the entire National Debt tomorrow *and* cure cancer *and* wipe Russia &
>> China off the map and he still wouldn't crack 50%.
>
> Speculation.
Nope: one merely needs to look at current polls to see how much bias
there is today.
> I'm not a fan of polls but Biden and Kamala Harris are horrible people and horrible
> candidates who have lost touch with the people.
Ohh...its been soooo HORRIBLE to have full employment!
And to have the unwinding without a "hard landing" recession! s
But congratulations, you've denied equal opportunity to ten (10) NCAA
trans-whatever athletes! Likewise, newborn infants are now showing up
in trashbins in Texas.
>>> Joe Biden is a complete disaster and has totally screwed this country into the ground.
>>
>> You believe whatever you want ... but you're going to have to first
>> survive the consequences of what you asked for, for at least the next
>> four years.
>
> Trump will either make things better or worse. Nobody knows however everyone knows
> what the country has been like under Biden and the democrats and it's not positive which
> is why the democrats lost in November.
>
> Time will tell.
Which is why I've been voting with my investments wallet too, by drawing
down on Equities to cash in anticipation of Trump screwing up worse.
-hh
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| Date | 2024-12-31 21:21 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #681883 |
On 2024-12-31, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> On 12/29/24 9:04 PM, pothead wrote:
>> On 2024-12-30, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/29/24 5:37 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-29, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 12/28/24 9:48 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-12-28, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:0tiumj5u15mmr0k3h901tj4vuf0pr7ecgt@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe [Biden, POTUS], not to
>>>>>>>>>> disrespect our outgoing
>>>>>>>>>> president, he's a great man.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Adlai Stevenson was well-spoken to the point he was labeled 'egghead'.
>>>>>>>>> Probably apocryphal but the legend goes that after a speech a supporter
>>>>>>>>> said every intelligent person would vote for him. Stevenson said that was
>>>>>>>>> well and good but he needed a majority.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He ran against Eisenhower in '52 and '56, losing by a landslide each time.
>>>>>>>>> People lapped up Eisenhower's avuncular style and much of the country
>>>>>>>>> looked at him and Mamie as grandparents.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know if Biden had it in him to be articulate but a successful
>>>>>>>>> politician may not want to present as very erudite.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Biden is WYSIWYG - he's a man who appears as he really is, a guy who
>>>>>>>> isn't a genius but works hard, follows the rules, gets things done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Biden certainly isn't a genius, 1 Point
>>>>>> He's a moron.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Biden is not a hard worker - 0 Points
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He spent 40% or more of his presidency on vacation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Biden does follow the rules for Democrats - 1 Point
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are all in lock step.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Biden hasn't gotten anything done - 0 Points.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Biden has made a mess of the USA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was a good thing for four years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was a miserable four years with most American's ending up worse off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly.
>>>>>
>>>>> As if its going to now get better, with the Tech Bros pushing for more
>>>>> H1-N's to avoid hiring Americans, and Trump supporting them.
>>>>
>>>> I do not support that however it's still better to have people here legally
>>>> than jumping the fence.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the structure of the H1-N program is Corporate Welfare
>>> and represss wages of honest American workers. Been that way for far
>>> far too long, because of the corporate money in US politics.
>>
>> I agree.
>> It also allows the corporations to have more control over their employees
>> as they are afraid to make waves lest they get sent home.
>
> The exploitation is particularly rampant in Tech ...
>
> ...including diehard Red GOP contributors: Tesla laid off 2,688 Texas
> employees immediately after having 2,639 H1B visas approved in 2022-23.
>
><https://x.com/merissahansen17/status/1873959674678288516>
>
>
>>>>>>>> expanding on the successes of the administration,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So nothing from her either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What successes?
>>>>>> Everything Biden has done has been a mess.
>>>>>
>>>>> Such as? Note that not everything offers immediate gratification for
>>>>> shortsighted people to see. For example, infrastructure is a multi-year
>>>>> effort which takes time to build because how it was given to the States.
>>>>
>>>> Infrastructure?
>>>> With 7.5 billion and 8 total chargers built?
>>>> How long is it going to take them build the rest?
>>>> 50 years?
>>>
>>> Go bitch to your local State officials for why its been so slow.
>>
>> Elon Musk seems to have no troubles.
>> Maybe the government and Mayor Pete should ask him how he does it?
>
> No, the reasons are already well known: Private Enterprise doesn't have
> to follow the FAR, nor State laws: they're free to sole-source a job
> instead of having to wait for it to go out on competitive bids, etc.
>
> Another is that they often sidestep (or flat out disregard) rules &
> regulations, such as Environmental, Safety, etc.
>
> Plus there's also been more progress on EV chargers than what your news
> source told you:
>
> "There are now 200,000 publicly available EV charging ports in the
> U.S.—more than doubled since the start of the Biden-Harris
> Administration..."
>
> Official statement on 31 DEC 2024 by Secretary Pete Buttigieg
><https://x.com/TimInHonolulu/status/1873537855466979333>
>
> Math: over 100,000 new chargers deployed.
>
>>> Because (and as I said), the money was handed to the States to execute,
>>> adding a layer of lag. This inefficieny is a direct consequence of what
>>> you asked for with the Right's "Small Government" & "Don't Tread on
>>> Me/States Rights!" petulance.
>>
>> The buck stops with Biden.
>> And is anyone keeping track of this money?
>
> Yup! The Fed will spend $100 to keep track of $1. Why? because there's
> historically been graft & fraud perpetrated by corrupt individuals &
> businesses exploiting taxpayer funds. I can recall a local news report
> from a few years ago where a contracting official violated the law to
> give contracts to the vendor who gave him an outboard motor and a free
> home bathroom renovation. I haven't heard if they got jail time.
>
>
>> Sounds like another CA high speed train to nowhere.
>
> Is the Boring Company really doing any better? Some posit that Boring
> only exists to be opposition to government transportation projects, and
> their poor performance to date supports this interpretation.
>
> Plus my understanding of the CA train is that interests who are
> irrevocably opposed to building anything are effectively abusing the
> checks-&-balances to try to stop the project by bankrupting it. We do
> need to keep in mind that laws (eg, Environmental, etc) exist in
> reaction to historical abuses, and the challenge is to develop means to
> prevent the rules themselves from being abused (pendulum swung too far):
> lawyers have gotten way too effective in exploiting 0.1% niche cases
> to "tail wag the dog" illogical outcomes. Likewise, for cherry-picking
> the cases & court venue to shift the odds (East Texas, anyone?).
>
>
>>>> Of course with Pete "pothole" Buttigieg in charge and Biden at the helm,
>>>> that ship sank a long time ago.
>>>
>>> Or look to Baltimore where that bridge got taken down and how fast the
>>> channel got cleared by the Fed when they're free to lead when not mired
>>> down in partisan & State turf war politics.
>>
>> That was an excellent effort but an outlier and not typical.
>
> No, its what's typical when there's not partisan bickering & opposition.
> BTDT.
>
>>>> And then there is his BEAD portion of the bill.
>>>> How's that going?
>>>
>>> Sorry, not familiar with it; please elaborate.
>>
>> Sorry...
>> Broadband Equity Access And Deployment.
>> $42.45 billion to expand high speed Internet.
>> As of September 2024 it has connected 0 people.
>>
>> <https://www.washingtonpolicy.org/publications/detail/the-42-billion-internet-program-that-has-connected-0-people>
>>
>> Both of the above are part of Biden's infrastructure bill and jobs act of 2021.
>
> Except that there's been many government programs which seek to do some
> good such as to bring services to underserved communities which goes
> back to at least the 1930s (Rural Electrification Act). Yes, there's
> beenmore recent ones for telecommunication and where taxpayers have
> gotten ripped off too. Again, corporate welfare/kickbacks.
>
> Likewise, look at the money that got dumped into Louisiana via pork
> projects via the Army Corp of Engineers back in the 1970s: unused canal
> locks named after the politicians who brought home the bacon. Jimmy
> Carter tried to shut these projects down, but lost in Congress.
>
>>>> Border crossings overwhelming states.
>>>
>>> Yet down by 75%.
>>
>> Yea.
>> Typical cherry picking.
>
> Still true though. Plus keep in mind that Trump's only real success
> here was due to CoVid, which gave him emergency powers (now expired).
>
>
>> So Biden allows 10's of millions of illegals into the country mostly unvetted
>> and then during election season he clamps down a bit so it drops.
>> sorry.
>
> While under Trump, how many 10's of millions came in & stayed?
>
> The 'unvetted' could've been solved with 2024 bipartisan legislation ...
> but just who was it who ordered that killed before the election?
>
>> And BTW those are only the ones BP know about.
>> The gottaways raise that number.
>
> When you use CBP encounters reports for your "10's of Millions", many of
> those were promptly deported, making your baseline claim be way off.
>
>> And besides that under Trump were cities like NYC crying for relief from
>> the feds due to mass migration?
>
> Did you notice that NYC's complaints didn't start until the CoVid Relief
> funds ended? Golly, how about that... /s
>
>> Was crime in said cities increasing under Trump?
> > > No bueno.
>
> There was a CoVid surge...but why are you only caring about crime in
> cities? Gosh, it couldn't happen to be because US homicide rates are
> the highest in Southern Red states, not CA or the Northeast:
>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Intentional_Homicide_Rate_by_U.S._State.svg>
>
> Plus if you're trying to blame crime on immigrants, the crime data shows
> that that it shifted 50 years ago.
>
> Today, it is known that immigrants are *less* per capita, which means an
> influx into a region has the net effect of lowering the crime rate:
>
><https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/aeri.20230459>
><https://x.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/1873911576232956022>
>
>
>>>> Crime going through the roof due in part. And oh, the FBI revised their figures
>>>> massively upwards.
>
> Nah, the YoY changes are being blown out of proportion, because the
> current rates are literally half (or less) of what they were back in the
> 1990s. Case in point, 1993 to 2022:
>
> Violent Crime/100K: 747 --> 318 = 57% decline
> Property Crimes/100K: 4740 --> 1954 = 59% decline
>
><https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/>
>
> And 2023's report was another 11% lower on homicides:
>
><https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/23/us/murder-crime-rate-fbi.html>
>
>>> Some are moving higher, but are still below recent highs.
>>
>> Tell that to the people of NYC or Chicago or Portland or......
>
> Sure:
>
> "Chicago has so far recorded its lowest number of homicides and
> shootings since 2019, city data shows."
>
> "New York still has seen a roughly 7 percent drop in murders and
> shootings this year, according to New York Police Department data
> through mid-December, compared with the same time period last year."
>
><https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/30/us/murders-decline-crime-concerns.html>
>
>
>>>>> In the meantime, the old DJT tune was "hows your 401k doing?", so how's
>>>>> that been? Well, during Biden's term, the DJIA is up by +38%, NASDAQ
>>>>> +46%, SP500 +55% .. if you didn't do well, be comforted by how Social
>>>>> Programs are slated to be on the chopping block starting in 2025. For
>>>>> everyone else, there were ~6.6M millionaires in the USA when DJT left
>>>>> office, and there's 7.5M today, a +14% increase:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/07/us-millionaire-population.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> -hh
>>>>
>>>> Yada, yada, yada.
>>>> Step back from your facts and figures and spun up numbers and try asking the people
>>>> how they are doing?
>>>>
>>>> Oh, silly me, that was already done on November 5th and they spoke with their votes.
>>>
>>> Because of years of union busting including falsely named "Right to
>>> Work" laws in Red States which took away workers' rights, which gave
>>> Enterprise even more power over workers wages & compensation...
>>
>> Unions have become ultra corrupt in recent years and they have served their purpose.
>
> Where "in recent years" was when Jimmy Hoffa was still alive.
>
>> They pretend to support the rank and file but the leaders are getting rich
>> on shady deals. Even Trump knows all about that one as he was greasing the
>> correct palms in NYC in order to get his buildings built.
>
> Trump brought in union busters, including illegal immigrants from Poland
>
>
>> It's just part of doing business in NYC. So even when the leaders
>> support a candidate, which is almost always a democrat, the rank and
>> file vote however they want.
>
> Oh, did you completely forget about Rudy Giuliani & Michael Bloomberg?
> They weren't Democrats and served for 5 of the past 8 terms = 62%.
>
>
>>> ...but the GOP's propaganda machine distracted them to "values" instead
>>> of their own financial best interests. Next!
>>
>> ROTFLMAO!
>> GOP propaganda machine?
>
> Yup! As I said, the GOP narrative was "values".
>
>
>> When the democrats have the MSM, virtually all of them, in their back pocket
>> running cover for them.
>
> With the likes of Twitter, just how is MSM still that relevant?
> You don't recall the MAGA brags about the poor MSNBC/CNN ratings?
>
>>>> Groceries and home goods up some 20% plus.
>>>
>>> What would they have cost since 2008 had we had the historical average
>>> of +2.5%/year inflation? Because the brief pop we had to 8% inflation
>>> represents a Reversion to the Mean. Next.
>>
>> 2008 called and they want their copy of Visicalc back :) .
>> Numbers again.
>
> Yup, because they objectively reveal what's actually been happening,
> without emotions.
>
>
>> Hint, we are talking about reality here and even you must notice your grocery cart
>> has fewer items and you pay more for them.
>> Put away the spreadsheet and listen to the people.
>
> Despite your attempt to disregard, the numbers do not lie.
> Case in point, here’s the math:
>
> The historical average rate of US inflation is 2.5%/year.
>
> Had we had an average rate of inflation over the 12 years of 2008-2020,
> total inflation would have been 1.025^12 = 1.345 = +34.5%
>
> But the actual CPI inflation during that time was just +20.2%
>
> That's great to be below average ... but it is not normal. It is also
> what you'd grown used to, and assuming that it is normal in a logical
> fallacy known as "Recency Bias".
>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recency_bias>
>
> Similarly, 2.5% for 15 years (2008-2023) is +44.8% vs actual 41.5%:
> still ~3 points below average, but the gap closed: this closing is the
> principle of "Reversion to the Mean".
>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean>
>
> Finally, 16 years is +48.5% for the expected average from 2.5%/year,
> versus +46.5% actual (2008-present): still 2 points below average.
>
> TL;DR: since 2008, we’re still paying less today than if we would have
> had the +2.5%/yr average rate of inflation over the same time period.
>
>
> What this shows is that the anomaly wasn’t a year of high inflation, but
> rather, a decade+ of extremely low inflation rates which biased our
> perceptions of what is normal. Now that things are effectively back to
> normal, some folks are crying because they forgot what normal is like.
>
>
>> Your excuses are exactly why Kamala lost the election.
>> When Biden was still a candidate he tried telling the people that
>> Bidenomics was working but the people, the average people, weren't> falling for it so his advisors told him not to speak about it.
>
> Biden/Harris lost due to the GOP "culture war" values narrative, not
> based on economic policy or economic reality.
>
> You've demonstrated this yourself when you said that you're personally
> fine, yet despite your firsthand knowledge of your own finances, you
> believe that everyone's vastly worse off, and you're somehow flip to not
> being selfish when you claim to be worried more about "the little guy".
>
>
>
>> And more recently the WH Kirby I believe telling the people seeing
>> drones that they are seeing regular aircraft, stars or the like.
>
> I'm at ground zero for that, & "saw some" myself ... he's right.
>
> We're under the flight paths of multiple airports, and nearly all of the
> alleged citizen sightings occurred at night, who finally looked up.
>
> FYI: anyone being nefarious would've turned off their navigation lights.
>
>>>> Wages not keeping pace with inflation.
>>>
>>> Except for how wage increases have exceeded inflation for the past year.
>>> Next.
>>
>> Throughout the Biden presidency and including items like groceries and fuel/utilities
>> which are not in the calculations.
>
> It may depend on which inflation metric you're using to compare: which
> one are you using when you made that claim? (Do you even know?)
>
> FYI, this comparison uses CPI (not CPI-U, not CPI-W), which is the
> broadest and most popular metric:
>
><https://www.statista.com/statistics/1351276/wage-growth-vs-inflation-us/>
>
>
>
>>>> Credit card debt going through the roof.
>>>
>>> Normalize it by GDP growth and get back to us to show that it actually
>>> is "up". Next.
>>
>> You lose again.
>>
>> <https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/27/credit-card-debt-set-to-hit-record-levels-as-consumer-holiday-spending-rises.html>
>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/MiddleClassFinance/comments/1gg9x8b/more_than_40_of_american_households_rely_on/?rdt=64726>
>
> Nope, neither of those address the point I'm making, and it sounds like
> you don't even understand its basic principle. Let me give you some
> numbers to help you understand:
>
> US 2024 GDP growth is projected to be +2.7% YoY.
>
> Consumer use of debt is some number ... the specific value doesn't matter.
>
> When Consumer use of debt stays the same, because its a percentage of
> their economic activity, the growth in debt use should grow at the same
> rate as the economy ... eg, GDP growth.
>
> Therefore, Consumer use of debt *should* grow by +2.7% in 2024, because
> that's the GDP growth.
>
> To know if Consumer use of debt is actually growing (or shrinking), one
> has to normalize ("divide by") GDP to remove normal GDP growth as a
> factor that's confounding your data.
>
> This is analytics 102.
>
>
>>>> Taxes going up to pay for illegal migrants.
>>>
>>> Except that tax rates haven't changed...
>>
>> State and local.
>
> Where? Name names. Neither my State nor Local income or sales taxe
> rates have increased for years.
>
>
>>> ...and FYI, if the 2017 TCJA gets extended by Trump in 2025, the amount
>>> of economic stimulus from it as a result will be exactly zero. The
>>> reason why is obvious once you think about it for a minute. Next.
>>
>> People in states that have fiscal responsibility did well under his plan.
>> People in fiscally out of control states mostly did not because they lost the
>> SALT deduction.
>
> SALT cap was political, to punitively hurt donor Blue State citizens.
>
> But you're still dodging my point: if Trump extends the 2017 TCJA in
> 2025, the economic impact of doing so will be **zero**.
>
>
>>>> And then of course we have wars in every corner of the planet.
>>>> Thank Joe Biden's weakness for that.
>>>
>>> Nope. You've never been read in on that picture to know what's really
>>> going on.
>>
>> Lol.
>> I see exactly what is going on and Biden's weakness on the world stage is
>> a big part of it.
>
>
> Nah, you completely missed the point in the above, which is a tell.
>
>
>>>> As for me, my 401k has mostly recovered, I am retired, house paid for and
>>>> things are good.
>>>
>>> 2022 was Biden's only down year, and it affected mostly those who were
>>> aggressively invested in the Equities market ... which at your age &
>>> retired, you shouldn't have been to have seen much of any loss.
>>>
>>> Even so, 2022 merely was giving back 2021's gains, and since 2023, & 24
>>> have both been up years at 2x the historical average rate: the net sum
>>> has been roughly a +40% growth over the past four years. Next.
>>>
>>>
>>>> But that's me.
>>>> Kids starting out now don't stand a chance and certainly don't have the same
>>>> opportunities that I've had where hard work, a lucrative career can provide.
>>>
>>> Yup, but then why are you so opposed to the social and infrastructure
>>> programs intended & designed to help them...?
>>
>> Because they are money pits that don't help the right people.
>>
>> Why are migrants in NYC staying in 4 star hotels while homeless veterans
>> are sleeping on the streets?
>
>
> Because we've made progress on Homeless Vets that you're ignoring:
>
> "Veteran homelessness reached an all-time low this year and we also
> exceeded our goal to house 41,000 Veterans by over 16%. Ultimately, we
> housed the largest number of Veterans in a single year since 2019."
>
><https://news.va.gov/137268/how-were-winning-fight-end-veteran-homelessness/>
>
> Plus the practice of using hotel rooms for displaced goes back decades;
> if there's "4 Star" hotels now participating, that's their freedom of
> how to conduct their business, based on their corporate priorities.
>
> And if you're trying to say that cities are overpaying for luxury room,
> you need to provide actual proof of what room rates they're paying
> instead of doing a conveniently vague handwave of innuendo without
> accountability.
>
>
>> Under Joe Biden's "America Last Program"" the country has lost faith in our system.
>> Billions and billions go to Ukraine and other foreign countries and yet FEMA runs out of money
>> for our own citizens.
>
>
> Until you actually follow the Ukraine money instead of listening to MAGA
> Media: most of it is staying in America and funding American jobs, by
> buying new military hardware to replace old stuff being sent over.
>
>> People see that and are disgusted.
>> America first and once we are on an even keel then we can worry about the rest of the world.
>> Peace by strength works.
>> Appeasement does not.
>
> Which is why we're supporting Ukraine instead of appeasing Russia.
>
>>>> And that is why confidence in Biden sits at 34% or so in Gallop's latest poll.
>>>
>>> Polls have become so toxic as to be irrelevant: Biden could wipe out
>>> the entire National Debt tomorrow *and* cure cancer *and* wipe Russia &
>>> China off the map and he still wouldn't crack 50%.
>>
>> Speculation.
>
>
> Nope: one merely needs to look at current polls to see how much bias
> there is today.
>
>
>> I'm not a fan of polls but Biden and Kamala Harris are horrible people and horrible
>> candidates who have lost touch with the people.
>
> Ohh...its been soooo HORRIBLE to have full employment!
> And to have the unwinding without a "hard landing" recession! s
>
>
> But congratulations, you've denied equal opportunity to ten (10) NCAA
> trans-whatever athletes! Likewise, newborn infants are now showing up
> in trashbins in Texas.
>
>
>>>> Joe Biden is a complete disaster and has totally screwed this country into the ground.
>>>
>>> You believe whatever you want ... but you're going to have to first
>>> survive the consequences of what you asked for, for at least the next
>>> four years.
>>
>> Trump will either make things better or worse. Nobody knows however everyone knows
>> what the country has been like under Biden and the democrats and it's not positive which
>> is why the democrats lost in November.
>>
>> Time will tell.
>
> Which is why I've been voting with my investments wallet too, by drawing
> down on Equities to cash in anticipation of Trump screwing up worse.
>
>
> -hh
I think we need to agree to disagree.
While I appreciate your numbers dives you are ignoring the big picture which is
things turned to hell in a handbag under Joe Biden.
Be it foreign policy, economy, social issues, you name it and it's clear that from a
voter perspective things sucked under Biden.
And the polls indicated such.
And the election drove those points home.
I've seen people spin current numbers back to the 50's and 60's where the country was at
it's peak at least as far as quality of life is concerned, and yet reach the conclusion that things
sucked back then.
That may work on paper but it's going to be a hard sell to people who actually remember those days.
Despite stats, things are not good right now at least not for the average person trying to pay rent, mortgage
buy a home, feed the family and so forth and that is a major reason why the democrats lost.
People are sick of this mess.
As I've said many times, can Trump fix it?
I dunno, we could not survive another 4 years of democrats in charge.
If he screws up 2028 is not that far away.
If he succeeds even in part, the democrats are doomed.
And they know it which is why they will use every trick in the book to make things difficult for the Trump
administration. In fact Biden has already started.
Time will tell.
BTW, Happy New Years to you and yours.
--
pothead
"Give a man a fish and you turn him into a Democrat for life"
"Teach a man to fish and he might become a self-sufficient conservative Republican"
"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up,"
--- Barack H. Obama
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| From | Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 13:47 -0800 |
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pothead wrote: > I've seen people spin current numbers back to the 50's and 60's where the country was at > it's peak at least as far as quality of life is concerned Unless you were black. -- Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. @ 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 3.2 / \ of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 16:52 -0500 |
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pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote: >the 50's and 60's where the country was at >it's peak at least as far as quality of life is concerned Oh sure, we'll wish for that to come back, are you insane? You don't like having the technology we have, now? -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 22:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl1s2s$2e3m7$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681937 |
On 2024-12-31, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: > pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote: > >>the 50's and 60's where the country was at >>it's peak at least as far as quality of life is concerned > > > Oh sure, we'll wish for that to come back, are you insane? You don't > like having the technology we have, now? > Of course not. I'm talking about having an average job, a decent wage, being able to afford a house in the burbs, pay for your kids to go to college, decent education, no wokie crap, boys were boys and girls were girls, being able to put food on the table and so forth. Try that these days. Sure there were problems, racial tensions, Vietnam etc but OVERALL things were much better back then. At least until 1974 when Carter became POTUS at which point things turned to shit. Just like under Joe Biden. -- pothead "Give a man a fish and you turn him into a Democrat for life" "Teach a man to fish and he might become a self-sufficient conservative Republican" "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up," --- Barack H. Obama
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