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Re: A New Machine Progresses

From -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy, talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.trump
Subject Re: A New Machine Progresses
Followup-To comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date 2024-12-29 19:48 -0500
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On 12/29/24 5:37 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-12-29, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 12/28/24 9:48 PM, pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-28, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:0tiumj5u15mmr0k3h901tj4vuf0pr7ecgt@4ax.com...
>>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> -hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe [Biden, POTUS], not to
>>>>>>> disrespect our outgoing
>>>>>>> president, he's a great man.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adlai Stevenson was well-spoken to the point he was labeled 'egghead'.
>>>>>> Probably apocryphal but the legend goes that after a speech a supporter
>>>>>> said every intelligent person would vote for him. Stevenson said that was
>>>>>> well and good but he needed a majority.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He ran against Eisenhower in '52 and '56, losing by a landslide each time.
>>>>>> People lapped up Eisenhower's avuncular style and much of the country
>>>>>> looked at him and Mamie as grandparents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know if Biden had it in him to be articulate but a successful
>>>>>> politician may not want to present as very erudite.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Biden is WYSIWYG - he's a man who appears as he really is, a guy who
>>>>> isn't a genius but works hard, follows the rules, gets things done.
>>>>
>>>> Biden certainly isn't a genius, 1 Point
>>> He's a moron.
>>>
>>>> Biden is not a hard worker - 0 Points
>>>
>>> He spent 40% or more of his presidency on vacation.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Biden does follow the rules for Democrats - 1 Point
>>>
>>> They are all in lock step.
>>>
>>>> Biden hasn't gotten anything done - 0 Points.
>>>
>>> Biden has made a mess of the USA.
>>>
>>>>> It was a good thing for four years.
>>>>
>>>> It was a miserable four years with most American's ending up worse off.
>>>
>>> Exactly.
>>
>> As if its going to now get better, with the Tech Bros pushing for more
>> H1-N's to avoid hiring Americans, and Trump supporting them.
> 
> I do not support that however it's still better to have people here legally
> than jumping the fence.

Unfortunately, the structure of the H1-N program is Corporate Welfare 
and represss wages of honest American workers.  Been that way for far 
far too long, because of the corporate money in US politics.


>>>>> expanding on the successes of the administration,
>>>>
>>>> So nothing from her either.
>>>
>>> What successes?
>>> Everything Biden has done has been a mess.
>>
>> Such as?  Note that not everything offers immediate gratification for
>> shortsighted people to see.  For example, infrastructure is a multi-year
>> effort which takes time to build because how it was given to the States.
> 
> Infrastructure?
> With 7.5 billion and 8 total chargers built?
> How long is it going to take them build the rest?
> 50 years?

Go bitch to your local State officials for why its been so slow.

Because (and as I said), the money was handed to the States to execute, 
adding a layer of lag.  This inefficieny is a direct consequence of what 
you asked for with the Right's "Small Government" & "Don't Tread on 
Me/States Rights!" petulance.

> Of course with Pete "pothole" Buttigieg in charge and Biden at the helm, 
> that ship sank a long time ago.

Or look to Baltimore where that bridge got taken down and how fast the 
channel got cleared by the Fed when they're free to lead when not mired 
down in partisan & State turf war politics.


> And then there is his BEAD portion of the bill.
> How's that going?

Sorry, not familiar with it; please elaborate.


> Border crossings overwhelming states.

Yet down by 75%.


> Crime going through the roof due in part. And oh, the FBI revised their figures
> massively upwards.

Some are moving higher, but are still below recent highs.


>> In the meantime, the old DJT tune was "hows your 401k doing?", so how's
>> that been?  Well, during Biden's term, the DJIA is up by +38%, NASDAQ
>> +46%, SP500 +55% .. if you didn't do well, be comforted by how Social
>> Programs are slated to be on the chopping block starting in 2025.  For
>> everyone else, there were ~6.6M millionaires in the USA when DJT left
>> office, and there's 7.5M today, a +14% increase:
>>
>> <https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/07/us-millionaire-population.html>
>>
>> -hh
> 
> Yada, yada, yada.
> Step back from your facts and figures and spun up numbers and try asking the people
> how they are doing?
> 
> Oh, silly me, that was already done on November 5th and they spoke with their votes.

Because of years of union busting including falsely named "Right to 
Work" laws in Red States which took away workers' rights, which gave 
Enterprise even more power over workers wages & compensation...

...but the GOP's propaganda machine distracted them to "values" instead 
of their own financial best interests.  Next!


> Groceries and home goods up some 20% plus.

What would they have cost since 2008 had we had the historical average 
of +2.5%/year inflation?  Because the brief pop we had to 8% inflation 
represents a Reversion to the Mean.  Next.

> Wages not keeping pace with inflation.

Except for how wage increases have exceeded inflation for the past year. 
  Next.

> Credit card debt going through the roof.

Normalize it by GDP growth and get back to us to show that it actually 
is "up".  Next.

> Taxes going up to pay for illegal migrants.

Except that tax rates haven't changed...

...and FYI, if the 2017 TCJA gets extended by Trump in 2025, the amount 
of economic stimulus from it as a result will be exactly zero.  The 
reason why is obvious once you think about it for a minute.  Next.


> And then of course we have wars in every corner of the planet.
> Thank Joe Biden's weakness for that.

Nope.  You've never been read in on that picture to know what's really 
going on.


> As for me, my 401k has mostly recovered, I am retired, house paid for and
> things are good.

2022 was Biden's only down year, and it affected mostly those who were 
aggressively invested in the Equities market ... which at your age & 
retired, you shouldn't have been to have seen much of any loss.

Even so, 2022 merely was giving back 2021's gains, and since 2023, & 24 
have both been up years at 2x the historical average rate: the net sum 
has been roughly a +40% growth over the past four years.  Next.


> But that's me.
> Kids starting out now don't stand a chance and certainly don't have the same
> opportunities that I've had where hard work, a lucrative career can provide.

Yup, but then why are you so opposed to the social and infrastructure 
programs intended & designed to help them...?


> And that is why confidence in Biden sits at 34% or so in Gallop's latest poll.

Polls have become so toxic as to be irrelevant:  Biden could wipe out 
the entire National Debt tomorrow *and* cure cancer *and* wipe Russia & 
China off the map and he still wouldn't crack 50%.


> Joe Biden is a complete disaster and has totally screwed this country into the ground.

You believe whatever you want ... but you're going to have to first 
survive the consequences of what you asked for, for at least the next 
four years.


-hh

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  Re: A New Machine Progresses chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-25 12:22 -0600
    Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2024-12-25 18:42 +0000
      Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-26 02:25 +0000
        Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-26 08:13 +0000
        Re: A New Machine Progresses chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-26 06:58 -0600
          Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-26 15:06 +0000
    Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-26 16:21 -0500
      Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-27 10:13 +0000
        Re: A New Machine Progresses Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-27 07:50 -0500
          Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-27 15:03 -0500
        Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 14:11 -0600
          Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 15:18 -0500
            Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 14:36 -0600
              Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 15:43 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 14:56 -0600
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 15:59 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 15:05 -0600
                Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-27 20:55 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 21:22 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-27 22:38 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 20:32 -0600
                Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-27 22:38 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 21:47 -0600
                Re: A New Machine Progresses rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-28 00:13 +0000
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 20:04 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-28 02:05 +0000
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 21:27 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses brock <brockt@allied_.abc> - 2024-12-28 09:29 +0100
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 08:33 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-12-28 07:30 -0700
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                Re: A New Machine Progresses Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2025-01-01 14:49 -0500
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                Re: A New Machine Progresses Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 22:54 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 15:24 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 14:44 -0500
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                Re: A New Machine Progresses Ted <ted.street@yahoo.net> - 2024-12-28 13:02 -0500
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                Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-29 02:48 +0000
                Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:59 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-29 22:37 +0000
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                Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-30 02:04 +0000
                Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-31 10:44 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-31 21:21 +0000
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                Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 16:52 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-31 22:43 +0000
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 18:29 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Klaus  Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 15:41 -0800
                Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-31 23:44 +0000
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 18:47 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-31 23:59 +0000
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:06 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-01 00:18 +0000
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:44 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-01 00:52 +0000
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 20:24 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-02 08:04 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2024-12-31 19:19 -0800
                Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-02 08:03 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-02 08:02 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-02 08:01 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Klaus Schadenfreude <katt@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 13:25 -0800
                Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-03 08:21 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Klaus Schadenfreude <katt@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 09:15 -0800
                Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-31 17:12 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-28 01:57 +0000
                Re: A New Machine Progresses rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-28 02:11 +0000
          Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-28 14:02 +0000
            Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 10:11 -0500
              Re: A New Machine Progresses Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 12:22 -0500
            Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 15:27 -0600
              Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-28 22:01 +0000
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 17:07 -0600
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-28 23:20 +0000
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 18:24 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 18:39 -0600
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-29 09:23 +0000
                Re: A New Machine Progresses DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 19:14 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 19:57 -0600
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  Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 20:03 -0600
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