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A New Machine Progresses

Started byFarley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks>
First post2024-12-25 17:48 +0000
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  A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2024-12-25 17:48 +0000
    Re: A New Machine Progresses chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-25 12:22 -0600
      Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2024-12-25 18:42 +0000
        Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-26 02:25 +0000
          Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-26 08:13 +0000
          Re: A New Machine Progresses chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-26 06:58 -0600
            Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-26 15:06 +0000
      Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-26 16:21 -0500
        Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-27 10:13 +0000
          Re: A New Machine Progresses Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-27 07:50 -0500
            Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-27 15:03 -0500
          Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 14:11 -0600
            Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 15:18 -0500
              Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 14:36 -0600
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 15:43 -0500
                  Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 14:56 -0600
                    Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 15:59 -0500
                      Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 15:05 -0600
                        Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-27 20:55 -0500
                          Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 21:22 -0500
                            Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-27 22:38 -0500
                          Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 20:32 -0600
                            Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-27 22:38 -0500
                              Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 21:47 -0600
                      Re: A New Machine Progresses rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-28 00:13 +0000
                        Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 20:04 -0500
                          Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-28 02:05 +0000
                            Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 21:27 -0500
                              Re: A New Machine Progresses brock <brockt@allied_.abc> - 2024-12-28 09:29 +0100
                                Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 08:33 -0500
                                  Re: A New Machine Progresses Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-12-28 07:30 -0700
                                    Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 10:45 -0500
                                      Re: A New Machine Progresses Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-12-28 11:45 -0700
                                        Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 13:50 -0500
                                          Re: A New Machine Progresses Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-12-29 04:47 -0700
                                            Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:48 -0500
                                              Re: A New Machine Progresses Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2024-12-31 04:11 -0500
                                                Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 16:08 -0500
                                                Re: A New Machine Progresses Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 04:28 -0500
                                                  Re: A New Machine Progresses Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-01 02:00 -0800
                                                    Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 11:58 -0500
                                                      Re: A New Machine Progresses Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2025-01-01 12:31 -0500
                                                        Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 14:22 -0500
                                                          Re: A New Machine Progresses Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2025-01-01 14:49 -0500
                                                            Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 14:55 -0500
                                                              Re: A New Machine Progresses Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2025-01-01 16:49 -0500
                                                              Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-02 08:06 -0500
                                                                Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 18:22 -0500
                                                                  Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-03 08:20 -0500
                                                          Re: A New Machine Progresses Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2025-01-01 17:04 -0500
                                                          Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-02 08:05 -0500
                                                        Re: A New Machine Progresses Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 07:25 -0500
                                              Re: A New Machine Progresses Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 04:26 -0500
                                                Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 11:56 -0500
                                                  Re: A New Machine Progresses Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 07:27 -0500
                                                    Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 10:52 -0500
                                                      Re: A New Machine Progresses Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 22:54 -0500
                                                        Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 15:24 -0500
                                                          Re: A New Machine Progresses Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 14:44 -0500
                                                            Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-06 07:51 -0500
                                          Re: A New Machine Progresses Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 04:21 -0500
                                            Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 11:55 -0500
                                    Re: A New Machine Progresses Ted <ted.street@yahoo.net> - 2024-12-28 10:53 -0500
                                      Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 12:41 -0500
                                        Re: A New Machine Progresses Ted <ted.street@yahoo.net> - 2024-12-28 12:45 -0500
                                          Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 12:56 -0500
                                            Re: A New Machine Progresses Ted <ted.street@yahoo.net> - 2024-12-28 13:02 -0500
                                        Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-28 16:58 -0500
                                  Re: A New Machine Progresses Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-28 10:58 -0500
                          Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-28 16:58 -0500
                            Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-29 02:48 +0000
                              Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:59 -0500
                                Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-29 22:37 +0000
                                  Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 19:48 -0500
                                    Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-30 02:04 +0000
                                      Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-31 10:44 -0500
                                        Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-31 21:21 +0000
                                          Re: A New Machine Progresses Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2024-12-31 13:47 -0800
                                          Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 16:52 -0500
                                            Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-31 22:43 +0000
                                              Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 18:29 -0500
                                                Re: A New Machine Progresses Klaus  Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 15:41 -0800
                                                Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-31 23:44 +0000
                                                  Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 18:47 -0500
                                                    Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-31 23:59 +0000
                                                      Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:06 -0500
                                                        Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-01 00:18 +0000
                                                          Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:44 -0500
                                                            Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-01 00:52 +0000
                                                              Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 20:24 -0500
                                                                Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-02 08:04 -0500
                                                              Re: A New Machine Progresses Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2024-12-31 19:19 -0800
                                                        Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-02 08:03 -0500
                                                    Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-02 08:02 -0500
                                                Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-02 08:01 -0500
                                                  Re: A New Machine Progresses Klaus Schadenfreude <katt@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 13:25 -0800
                                                    Re: A New Machine Progresses "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-03 08:21 -0500
                                                      Re: A New Machine Progresses Klaus Schadenfreude <katt@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 09:15 -0800
                                          Re: A New Machine Progresses -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-31 17:12 -0500
                        Re: A New Machine Progresses pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-12-28 01:57 +0000
                          Re: A New Machine Progresses rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-28 02:11 +0000
            Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-28 14:02 +0000
              Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 10:11 -0500
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 12:22 -0500
              Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 15:27 -0600
                Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-28 22:01 +0000
                  Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 17:07 -0600
                    Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-28 23:20 +0000
                      Re: A New Machine Progresses Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 18:24 -0500
                      Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 18:39 -0600
                        Re: A New Machine Progresses Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-29 09:23 +0000
                          Re: A New Machine Progresses DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 19:14 -0500
                          Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 19:57 -0600
    Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 20:01 -0600
    Re: A New Machine Progresses Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 20:03 -0600
    Re: A New Machine Progresses DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 18:50 -0500

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#681239 — A New Machine Progresses

FromFarley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks>
Date2024-12-25 17:48 +0000
SubjectA New Machine Progresses
Message-ID<18147cc0293f4ee6$71162$2566989$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>
Today I began assembling my new GNU/Linux machine.  Inserting the
Xeon W-1270P and 32Gb of ECC memory was, of course, no problem.

However, the heat sink was a fucking bitch.

The Intel heat sink, based on a heat pipe design, is more than adequate
to dissipate the 125 Watts across a mere 1 inch square CPU.

But the attachment is the problem.

Four screws attach the heat sink to the MB and each screw is located directly
beneath the heat sink vanes.  There is no fucking way to get a Phillips head
screwdriver into position.

Well, Intel does provide "tunnels" through the vanes to accommodate a screwdriver
but an 8-inch screwdriver shaft would be needed.  The best I have is a shaft of about
4 inches.

I ain't about to purchase a screwdriver with an 8-inch shaft.

I have 1/4" screwdriver sockets with a 12-inch shaft but those will not fit through
the heat sink "tunnels."

So I have to take my Phillips screwdriver with a 4-inch shaft and angle it about
30 degrees and then provide additional force to tighten the screws.  It works but
it is not the ideal solution.

Why can't these assholes inform the buyer that special tools may be needed?

Anyway, the worst is over.  All I need is a vid card and a power supply and I will
bring it to life.

This will happen in the weeks ahead.

There's no hurry.

Rome was not built in a day.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!


-- 
Gentoo: The Fastest GNU/Linux Hands Down

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#681240

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2024-12-25 12:22 -0600
Message-ID<1siomjl1djoto07d7fpjmv8t1cjvrnpbo4@4ax.com>
In reply to#681239
Farley Flud wrote:

>Well, Intel does provide "tunnels" through the vanes to accommodate a screwdriver
>but an 8-inch screwdriver shaft would be needed.  

I've never seen an Intel heatsick that large!

>The best I have is a shaft of about 4 inches.

Poor you.   8)

>Anyway, the worst is over.  All I need is a vid card and a power supply and I will
>bring it to life.
>
>This will happen in the weeks ahead.
>
>There's no hurry.

I agree it's best to stretch-out the fun (and the frustration).  I'm
building a new PC myself, this Winter.  I've got everything except the
power supply and heatsink/fan, which are back-ordered.  I can borrow
those items from work to play some before they arrive.

-- 
"My whole claim is that JPGs can and often do have EXIF data (but need
not to).  [Peter Köhlmann] claims I am wrong."  -  some thing, lying
shamelessly (but no one can quote it lying)

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#681242

FromFarley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks>
Date2024-12-25 18:42 +0000
Message-ID<18147fab9226e455$122877$1728$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>
In reply to#681240
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:22:44 -0600, chrisv wrote:

> 
> I've never seen an Intel heatsick that large!
> 

A lot of heat-pipe based heat sinks are even taller.

The problem is that going in at a 30 degree angle risks stripping
the heads of those cheap Chinese screws (they are like butter).

Home Depot/Lowes/Etc. are full of that cheap Chinese hardware.
I've had bolt heads rip off with only moderate tightening.

A master craftsman has no alternative except maybe McMaster-Carr.

The funny thing about this install however is that Intel actually supplied
too much heat sink grease.  I expected those cheap bastards to provide
only a small token amount but I actually used only half of what they gave.


-- 
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#681295

Frompothead <pothead@snakebite.com>
Date2024-12-26 02:25 +0000
Message-ID<vkier1$2ktq7$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#681242
On 2024-12-25, Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:22:44 -0600, chrisv wrote:
>
>> 
>> I've never seen an Intel heatsick that large!
>> 
>
> A lot of heat-pipe based heat sinks are even taller.
>
> The problem is that going in at a 30 degree angle risks stripping
> the heads of those cheap Chinese screws (they are like butter).
>
> Home Depot/Lowes/Etc. are full of that cheap Chinese hardware.
> I've had bolt heads rip off with only moderate tightening.
>
> A master craftsman has no alternative except maybe McMaster-Carr.
>
> The funny thing about this install however is that Intel actually supplied
> too much heat sink grease.  I expected those cheap bastards to provide
> only a small token amount but I actually used only half of what they gave.
>
>
Packaged with the CPU Intel heat sinks are barely adequate.
Do yourself a favor and get something like a Noctua or similar.
They are much better.

As for thermal compound, if it's an Intel CPU, 4 very small dots in each
corner and one in the middle.
Don't spread it.
Install your cooler on top of if and you will be fine.
Make sure all of your clips are tight.
Problem solved.



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#681298

FromFarley Flud <ff@linux.rocks>
Date2024-12-26 08:13 +0000
Message-ID<pan$9cf31$6a75a433$f32fd29d$dd2c8d24@linux.rocks>
In reply to#681295
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 02:25:37 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

>>
> Packaged with the CPU Intel heat sinks are barely adequate.
> Do yourself a favor and get something like a Noctua or similar.
> They are much better.
> 

This is not a stock Intel heat sink:

https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-004C-00093





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#681302

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2024-12-26 06:58 -0600
Message-ID<cikqmjpsdtdf0pvqfqmh6aih305a6c0l1n@4ax.com>
In reply to#681295
pothead wrote:

>As for thermal compound, if it's an Intel CPU, 4 very small dots in each
>corner and one in the middle.
>Don't spread it.
>Install your cooler on top of if and you will be fine.

There's more than one right way to do that, of course.  I always press
down and remove, so that I can look to see that there are no voids.

-- 
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ID" Qualig

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#681305

Frompothead <pothead@snakebite.com>
Date2024-12-26 15:06 +0000
Message-ID<vkjre6$318vo$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#681302
On 2024-12-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> pothead wrote:
>
>>As for thermal compound, if it's an Intel CPU, 4 very small dots in each
>>corner and one in the middle.
>>Don't spread it.
>>Install your cooler on top of if and you will be fine.
>
> There's more than one right way to do that, of course.  I always press
> down and remove, so that I can look to see that there are no voids.
>
Same.
I peek as well :)

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#681323

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2024-12-26 16:21 -0500
Message-ID<vkkhc7$318bf$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#681240
On 12/25/24 1:22 PM, chrisv wrote:
> Farley Flud wrote:
> 
>> Well, Intel does provide "tunnels" through the vanes to accommodate a screwdriver
>> but an 8-inch screwdriver shaft would be needed.
> 
> I've never seen an Intel heatsick that large!
> 
>> The best I have is a shaft of about 4 inches.
> 
> Poor you.   8)
> 
>> Anyway, the worst is over.  All I need is a vid card and a power supply and I will
>> bring it to life.
>>
>> This will happen in the weeks ahead.
>>
>> There's no hurry.
> 
> I agree it's best to stretch-out the fun (and the frustration).  


YMMV, depending on what its purpose is ... e.g. work vs hobby.


> I'm building a new PC myself, this Winter.  I've got everything except the
> power supply and heatsink/fan, which are back-ordered.  I can borrow
> those items from work to play some before they arrive.

I recently deployed a new laptop.  Hardware arrived on Tuesday; had the 
time on Friday to get it unpacked, up & running all in the margins on a 
single day ... quite unlike Feeb's trials & tribulations.

After a week or so to confirm settings & burn-in for infant mortality, 
I've now wiped the old one; it'll be shipped back for a small credit.

-hh

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#681346

FromFarley Flud <ff@linux.rocks>
Date2024-12-27 10:13 +0000
Message-ID<pan$61225$ff77edc0$6adb1138$2152ba64@linux.rocks>
In reply to#681323
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 16:21:10 -0500, -hh wrote:

> 
> e.g. work vs hobby.
> 

Is there a difference?


> 
> I recently deployed a new laptop.
>

Computing with a laptop can be likened to experiencing the
world by looking through a soda straw.





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#681353

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2024-12-27 07:50 -0500
Message-ID<vkm7ql$3jfhc$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#681346
Farley Flud wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 16:21:10 -0500, -hh wrote:
>
>> e.g. work vs hobby.
>
> Is there a difference?
>
>> I recently deployed a new laptop.
>
> Computing with a laptop can be likened to experiencing the
> world by looking through a soda straw.

Depends how many monitors you hook to it.

My old ASUS loptap [sic] had two extras for awhile... one on the HDMI port
and one out of the mini DP port with a VGA adapter.

The mini PC has two HDMI ports; it's nice to not have to devote one of the
monitors to a Corporate laptop.

Take me to the river, that shivery river, get the river ready for me.
I'm gonna drown my troubles, there'll be just some bubbles to indicate
what used to be me!

-- 
Sometimes I live in the country,
And sometimes I live in town.
And sometimes I have a great notion,
To jump in the river and drown.

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#681382

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2024-12-27 15:03 -0500
Message-ID<vkn167$3nnt7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#681353
On 12/27/24 7:50 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Farley Flud wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
> 
>> On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 16:21:10 -0500, -hh wrote:
>>
>>> e.g. work vs hobby.
>>
>> Is there a difference?
>>
>>> I recently deployed a new laptop.
>>
>> Computing with a laptop can be likened to experiencing the
>> world by looking through a soda straw.
> 
> Depends how many monitors you hook to it.

Precisely.

> My old ASUS loptap [sic] had two extras for awhile... one on the HDMI port
> and one out of the mini DP port with a VGA adapter.


Similarly, this laptop can support its built-in display, plus either:
1 external @ 8K/60Hz, or
1 external @ 4K/240Hz, or
2 externals of 6K/60Hz or at 4K/144Hz (including one of each).

That's already as many discrete displays as what Feeb's claiming he's 
going to hopefully eventually have, although if I had needed more, I 
could have opted for a higher end model, which ~doubles the amount:

Built-in display, plus either:
4 externals of 3 @ 6K/60Hz + 1 @ 4K/144Hz, or
3 externals of 2 @ 6K/60Hz + 1 @ 4K/240Hz, or
3 externals of 2 @ 6K/60Hz + 1 @ 8K/60Hz.


> The mini PC has two HDMI ports; it's nice to not have to devote one 
> of the monitors to a Corporate laptop.

Depends on the use case/workflow needs, of course: if one typically 
needs just two displays in a desktop setting, then having an allocation 
"lost" to a closed laptop screen isn't necessarily a big deal when 
built-in +2 externals are supported.

And even in the earlier days when it was +1 external, there were 
sometimes workarounds.  I can recall a Thinkpad where its workaround was 
that the built-in could be mirrored which didn't count as an "extra", so 
the solution was for the the laptop to be left open but off to the side; 
the desktop was two externals, one of which was a mirror of the 
set-aside laptop's built-in that was running but not being watched (if 
this description makes sense).


-hh

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#681383

FromPhysfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-27 14:11 -0600
Message-ID<vkn1m1$1rm89$2@solani.org>
In reply to#681346
On 12/27/2024 4:13 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 16:21:10 -0500, -hh wrote:
> 
>>
>> e.g. work vs hobby.
>>
> 
> Is there a difference?
> 
> 
>>
>> I recently deployed a new laptop.
>>
> 
> Computing with a laptop can be likened to experiencing the
> world by looking through a soda straw.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


Ditto on both, big time :)

I think he's even composing his usenet posts asking AI to give it an 
articulate edge. His English command can't be that precise.






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#681384

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-27 15:18 -0500
Message-ID<bp2umjhmc2ule5k3rof4tvflag9e0ug1gc@4ax.com>
In reply to#681383
Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:

>I think he's [-hh is] even composing his usenet posts asking AI to give it an 
>articulate edge. His English command can't be that precise.


Sure it can, it's natural for a person like him.  In my case I just
brute-force it.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#681387

FromPhysfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-27 14:36 -0600
Message-ID<vkn340$1rm89$5@solani.org>
In reply to#681384
On 12/27/2024 2:18 PM, Joel wrote:
> Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I think he's [-hh is] even composing his usenet posts asking AI to give it an
>> articulate edge. His English command can't be that precise.
> 
> 
> Sure it can, it's natural for a person like him.  In my case I just
> brute-force it.
> 


For a person like him? Could you elaborate on that a bit.

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#681388

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-27 15:43 -0500
Message-ID<o84umj1b5fb87iqmm5fnrt2bjd3b7oqfao@4ax.com>
In reply to#681387
Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> I think he's [-hh is] even composing his usenet posts asking AI to give it an
>>> articulate edge. His English command can't be that precise.
>> 
>> Sure it can, it's natural for a person like him.  In my case I just
>> brute-force it.
>
>For a person like him? Could you elaborate on that a bit.


He's a grown intellect, lived his life the proper way, developed
himself into a functional adult.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#681389

FromPhysfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-27 14:56 -0600
Message-ID<vkn49t$1rm89$6@solani.org>
In reply to#681388
On 12/27/2024 2:43 PM, Joel wrote:
> Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>>> I think he's [-hh is] even composing his usenet posts asking AI to give it an
>>>> articulate edge. His English command can't be that precise.
>>>
>>> Sure it can, it's natural for a person like him.  In my case I just
>>> brute-force it.
>>
>> For a person like him? Could you elaborate on that a bit.
> 
> 
> He's a grown intellect, lived his life the proper way, developed
> himself into a functional adult.
> 


So did Biden. Does Biden speak English as well as hh presumably does in 
this forum?

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#681390

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-27 15:59 -0500
Message-ID<v65umj9ttm20jo772n8cksjfslunf6k2ut@4ax.com>
In reply to#681389
Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> I think he's [-hh is] even composing his usenet posts asking AI to give it an
>>>>> articulate edge. His English command can't be that precise.
>>>>
>>>> Sure it can, it's natural for a person like him.  In my case I just
>>>> brute-force it.
>>>
>>> For a person like him? Could you elaborate on that a bit.
>> 
>> He's a grown intellect, lived his life the proper way, developed
>> himself into a functional adult.
>
>So did Biden. Does Biden speak English as well as hh presumably does in 
>this forum?


-hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe, not to disrespect our
outgoing president, he's a great man.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#681391

FromPhysfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-27 15:05 -0600
Message-ID<vkn4qa$1rm89$7@solani.org>
In reply to#681390
On 12/27/2024 2:59 PM, Joel wrote:
> Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> I think he's [-hh is] even composing his usenet posts asking AI to give it an
>>>>>> articulate edge. His English command can't be that precise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure it can, it's natural for a person like him.  In my case I just
>>>>> brute-force it.
>>>>
>>>> For a person like him? Could you elaborate on that a bit.
>>>
>>> He's a grown intellect, lived his life the proper way, developed
>>> himself into a functional adult.
>>
>> So did Biden. Does Biden speak English as well as hh presumably does in
>> this forum?
> 
> 
> -hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe, not to disrespect our
> outgoing president, he's a great man.
> 


If you think hh's actual English command is as good as what's in his 
posts, then you know something about him that I don't.

All I know about him is that he's probably been a photographer for some 
obscure online tabloid magazine. Farley once mentioned he's rich. So he 
must've inherited a lot of money from his parents.

But none of this means his English should get that precise.

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#681420

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2024-12-27 20:55 -0500
Message-ID<vknlqv$3uhmt$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#681391
On 12/27/24 4:05 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 12/27/2024 2:59 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> I think he's [-hh is] even composing his usenet posts asking AI 
>>>>>>> to give it an
>>>>>>> articulate edge. His English command can't be that precise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure it can, it's natural for a person like him.  In my case I just
>>>>>> brute-force it.
>>>>>
>>>>> For a person like him? Could you elaborate on that a bit.
>>>>
>>>> He's a grown intellect, lived his life the proper way, developed
>>>> himself into a functional adult.
>>>
>>> So did Biden. Does Biden speak English as well as hh presumably does in
>>> this forum?
>>
>>
>> -hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe, not to disrespect our
>> outgoing president, he's a great man.
>>
> 
> 
> If you think hh's actual English command is as good as what's in his 
> posts, then you know something about him that I don't.

Or it is as simple as paying attention.

> All I know about him is that he's probably been a photographer for some 
> obscure online tabloid magazine. 

Photography is just a hobby:  sorry to disappoint.  But I am curious to 
learn of this alleged tabloid magazine is, & who came up with it.

> Farley once mentioned he's rich. 

They probably got that from Jeff Relf, where everyone with a flush 
toilet is by comparison, rich.

> So he must've inherited a lot of money from his parents.

They were public school teachers: care to try some other explanation?

> But none of this means his English should get that precise.

A product of hard work.  My English was so deplorably bad at one point 
that I enrolled to take classes in Latin for a few years.  It helped.


-hh

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#681426

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-27 21:22 -0500
Message-ID<s3oumjtetkddr60imq261hj4shr2qnfnmm@4ax.com>
In reply to#681420
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>On 12/27/24 4:05 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>> But none of this means his English should get that precise.
>
>A product of hard work.  My English was so deplorably bad at one point 
>that I enrolled to take classes in Latin for a few years.  It helped.


Is English not your first language?

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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