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  Who Knows Hardware? Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2024-12-12 15:26 +0000
    Re: Who Knows Hardware? Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-12 22:49 +0000
      Re: Who Knows Hardware? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 17:55 -0500
      Re: Who Knows Hardware? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 21:16 -0600
        Re: Who Knows Hardware? Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2024-12-13 12:06 +0000
          Re: Who Knows Hardware? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 14:03 -0600
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 13:51 -0700
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-15 10:17 -0500
        Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-13 09:40 -0500
          Re: Who Knows Hardware? DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-13 18:29 -0500
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 07:45 -0500
        Re: Who Knows Hardware? DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-13 22:05 -0500
          Re: Who Knows Hardware? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 22:11 -0500
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 08:06 -0500
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:50 +0000
                Linux gaming (was: Re: Who Knows Hardware?) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-15 00:26 +0000
                  Re: Linux gaming CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 09:52 -0500
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-17 12:31 -0500
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 13:05 -0500
                Re: Who Knows Hardware? DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-17 16:27 -0500
                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 16:32 -0500
                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 18:13 -0500
                Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 17:20 -0500
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-17 18:24 +0000
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-17 19:42 +0000
                Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 21:28 +0000
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 17:13 -0500
          Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 07:59 -0500
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-14 07:52 -0600
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 09:17 -0500
                Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:36 +0000
                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:24 -0500
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-14 10:38 -0500
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:34 +0000
                Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:23 -0500
                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-15 14:00 +0000
                    Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 10:37 -0500
                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 10:56 +0000
                    Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-16 11:08 -0500
                      Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 08:34 +0000
                        Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 09:05 -0500
                          Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 21:27 +0000
                            Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 18:18 -0500
                              Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 11:47 +0000
                                Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 09:31 -0500
                                Re: Who Knows Hardware? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-18 19:19 +0000
                                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 19:36 -0500
                                    Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 08:55 +0000
                                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 08:50 +0000
                        Re: Who Knows Hardware? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-17 20:08 +0000
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:31 +0000
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:19 -0500

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#680639

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:

>>>> Linux provides a usable alternative,
>>>> but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.
>>>
>>> No duh.  Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and
>>> games.
>>>
>>> I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
>>> right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone).  At that point I can
>>> mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
>>>
>>> Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
>>> picture files just as easily?
>> 
>> You're tolerating the bloat, I'm not.  
>
>I want some evidence for Windows 'bloat' that affects you.


The 23H2 release was weightier than previous builds.  I jumped ship.


>In the face of $50 to $70 per TB of SSD, an extra 40GB of storage costs 
>approx $2 to $3.  And 40GB is probably way overstating the incremental 
>storage space required for Windows and Windows apps vs Linux and Linux apps.
>
>https://diskprices.com
>
>In the face of $2 per GB of DDR4-3200 memory, an extra 4GB of RAM for 
>Windows costs $8.
>
>https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ddr4+3200+ram+16gb
>
>
>So that's $10 of hardware 'bloat' for Windows
>
>You spend more than that every week on KY jelly.
>
>So why are you bitching?


Irrelevant.


>> As for linking my phone, my
>> computer has Bluetooth, I imagine I could use that.
>
>Imagination can't help you here.


It would work if I wanted it to, it's easier to just send a pic from
my phone's Skype app to myself, and receive it on my computer's Web
app for Skype (because the desktop M$ app aborted itself from my
Debian install, mysteriously).

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#680656

Le 2024-12-17 à 16:27, DFS a écrit :
> On 12/17/2024 1:05 PM, Joel wrote:
>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>> On 12/13/2024 10:11 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>>>> On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>>>>>> That keeps me here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
>>>>> thought for 3+ decades.
>>>>>
>>>>> Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't 
>>>>> seem to
>>>>> understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.
>>>>
>>>> The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
>>>> Winblows being "ruined".
>>>
>>> It's just ignorant GuhNoo drooling.  No substance to their fantasies.
>>> There never has been, for 30+ years.
>>
>>
>> Win11 remains the prince OS, supporting bleeding-edge hardware.
>>
>>
>>>> It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
>>>> people typically have to boot it,
>>>
>>> Win11 Pro runs fast on my low-end system:
>>>
>>> item and current new prices:
>>>
>>> AMD 5600G chip  $139
>>> MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk mobo $140
>>> Crucial 16GB DDR4-3200 memory  $33
>>> nVidia GTX 750Ti 2GB single-fan video  $124
>>> Team 256GB NVMe boot/app drive  $23
>>> WD 2TB   SSD  data/storage drive $189
>>>
>>> Total $648
>>>
>>> It's not easy to even find a prebuilt AMD 5600 system more expensive
>>> than that.  So Win11 has NOT outpaced low-end hardware.
>>>
>>> The benchmarks on my system are low, but in use it's fast at everything.
>>>   The most noticeable bottleneck by far is copying big files to my HDD
>>> backup drive.
>>>
>>>> Linux provides a usable alternative,
>>>> but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.
>>>
>>> No duh.  Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and
>>> games.
>>>
>>> I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
>>> right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone).  At that point I can
>>> mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
>>>
>>> Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
>>> picture files just as easily?
>>
>>
>> You're tolerating the bloat, I'm not. 
> 
> I want some evidence for Windows 'bloat' that affects you.
> 
> In the face of $50 to $70 per TB of SSD, an extra 40GB of storage costs 
> approx $2 to $3.  And 40GB is probably way overstating the incremental 
> storage space required for Windows and Windows apps vs Linux and Linux 
> apps.
> 
> https://diskprices.com
> 
> In the face of $2 per GB of DDR4-3200 memory, an extra 4GB of RAM for 
> Windows costs $8.
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ddr4+3200+ram+16gb
> 
> 
> So that's $10 of hardware 'bloat' for Windows
> 
> You spend more than that every week on KY jelly.
> 
> So why are you bitching?

LOL, as if Joel can afford KY jelly. He prefers the spit method.

-- 
CrudeSausage

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#680644

Le 2024-12-17 à 13:05, Joel a écrit :

>>> Linux provides a usable alternative,
>>> but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.
>>
>> No duh.  Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and
>> games.
>>
>> I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
>> right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone).  At that point I can
>> mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
>>
>> Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
>> picture files just as easily?
> 
> 
> You're tolerating the bloat, I'm not.  As for linking my phone, my
> computer has Bluetooth, I imagine I could use that.

How about you try it and feel the utter disappointment the rest of us have?

Using Linux is like being the only guy on the highway in a Fiat when 
everyone else is driving a luxury vehicle. Sure, there's a chance that 
it'll get you to your destination and cheaply, but you won't pick up any 
pussy with it and it'll break down every few miles because you didn't 
hug it hard enough.

-- 
CrudeSausage

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#680595

On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 12:31:16 -0500, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca>
wrote in <vjsch4$1r7up$3@dont-email.me>:

> I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer 
> right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone).  At that point I can 
> mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
> 
> Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the 
> picture files just as easily?

Yes.

In fact, you just reminded me that I bought a USB-c cable to back up
my phone's images.  Plugged it in, set the Pixel 7 pro to "data" (ptp),
and it appeared in the File Manager.

I'm running an rsync now.  To do that, you have to know where the mount
is, which is under /run/user.  (It's in the gvfs directory, being a gvfs
mount.)

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
   OS: Linux 6.12.5 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
   "I am serious. And don't call me Shirley."

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#680611

On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 12:31:16 -0500, DFS wrote:


> Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
> picture files just as easily?

Yes. Data transfer has to be enabled. 

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#680636

On 2024-12-17, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 12:31:16 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>
>> Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
>> picture files just as easily?
>
> Yes. Data transfer has to be enabled. 

Same with my Pixel (even the iPhone SE and the flip phones I've used).

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#680643

Le 2024-12-17 à 12:31, DFS a écrit :
> On 12/13/2024 10:11 PM, Joel wrote:
>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>> On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>>>> That keeps me here.
>>>
>>> Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
>>> thought for 3+ decades.
>>>
>>> Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
>>> understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
>>>
>>> Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.
>>
>>
>> The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
>> Winblows being "ruined". 
> 
> 
> It's just ignorant GuhNoo drooling.  No substance to their fantasies. 
> There never has been, for 30+ years.
> 
> 
> 
>> It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
>> people typically have to boot it, 
> 
> 
> Win11 Pro runs fast on my low-end system:
> 
> item and current new prices:
> 
> AMD 5600G chip  $139
> MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk mobo $140
> Crucial 16GB DDR4-3200 memory  $33
> nVidia GTX 750Ti 2GB single-fan video  $124
> Team 256GB NVMe boot/app drive  $23
> WD 2TB   SSD  data/storage drive $189
> 
> Total $648

That's 648 girlcocks Joel will have to suck!

> It's not easy to even find a prebuilt AMD 5600 system more expensive 
> than that.  So Win11 has NOT outpaced low-end hardware.
> 
> The benchmarks on my system are low, but in use it's fast at everything. 
>   The most noticeable bottleneck by far is copying big files to my HDD 
> backup drive.

I notice that even on a fast computer, Windows 11's context menus are 
rather slow (right-click on the desktop, for example). Otherwise, 
everything is fast.

>> Linux provides a usable alternative,
>> but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.
> 
> No duh.  Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and 
> games.
> 
> I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer 
> right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone).  At that point I can 
> mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
> 
> Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the 
> picture files just as easily?

Android should run fine on Debian, to be honest. I would be surprised if 
support for it wasn't baked into the system. An iPhone is another matter.

-- 
CrudeSausage

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#680150

Le 2024-12-13 à 22:05, DFS a écrit :
> On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> 
> 
>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business. 
>> That keeps me here.
> 
> Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that 
> thought for 3+ decades.
> 
> Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to 
> understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
> 
> Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.

Linux will definitely hurt Windows here and there, but it can't compete 
with it on providing a complete experience. Like I mentioned to the 
resident faggot a few days ago, people not only want great battery life 
which is possible only with Windows (TLP improves consumption in Linux 
but it's still poor), but they like to use advanced functionality like 
hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

-- 
CrudeSausage

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#680168

CrudeSausage wrote:

>they like to use advanced functionality like 
>hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
But they are not, to most users.  

Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.

OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
most users.  That's not fair or consistent.

As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
whom the mainstream options are inadequate.  Many more would be better
off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

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#680174

Le 2024-12-14 à 08:52, chrisv a écrit :
> CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
> 
> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
> But they are not, to most users.
> 
> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
> 
> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
> most users.  That's not fair or consistent.
> 
> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
> whom the mainstream options are inadequate.  Many more would be better
> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

Linux definitely has the privacy advantage but the reality is that the 
people we would invite to using Linux as their daily driver would 
immediately circumvent those advantages by signing up to services that 
spy on them consistently like Facebook, and by removing the default 
Firefox in favour of Google Chrome. Don't underestimate how retarded the 
average person is.

-- 
CrudeSausage

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#680203

On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-14 à 08:52, chrisv a écrit :
>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>> 
>>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>> 
>> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
>> But they are not, to most users.
>> 
>> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>> 
>> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
>> most users.  That's not fair or consistent.
>> 
>> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
>> whom the mainstream options are inadequate.  Many more would be better
>> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.
>
> Linux definitely has the privacy advantage but the reality is that the 
> people we would invite to using Linux as their daily driver would 
> immediately circumvent those advantages by signing up to services that 
> spy on them consistently like Facebook, and by removing the default 
> Firefox in favour of Google Chrome. Don't underestimate how retarded the 
> average person is.

I'm not one of those people. Chrome has no place on my computers. Neither 
does Facebook (or any of the popular "social" applications).

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#680309

Le 2024-12-14 à 11:36, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-14 à 08:52, chrisv a écrit :
>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>>>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>>>
>>> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
>>> But they are not, to most users.
>>>
>>> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>>>
>>> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
>>> most users.  That's not fair or consistent.
>>>
>>> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
>>> whom the mainstream options are inadequate.  Many more would be better
>>> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.
>>
>> Linux definitely has the privacy advantage but the reality is that the
>> people we would invite to using Linux as their daily driver would
>> immediately circumvent those advantages by signing up to services that
>> spy on them consistently like Facebook, and by removing the default
>> Firefox in favour of Google Chrome. Don't underestimate how retarded the
>> average person is.
> 
> I'm not one of those people. Chrome has no place on my computers. Neither
> does Facebook (or any of the popular "social" applications).

If it's not Gab, it doesn't believe in free speech. Additionally, if it 
isn't Gab, it's a honeypot.

-- 
CrudeSausage

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#680183

On 12/14/2024 8:52 AM, shitv wrote:


> As always in this FUBAR market, 

Only your brain is FUBAR.



> Linux serves, very well, those for
> whom the mainstream options are inadequate.  Many more would be better
> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.


uh huh... only a few disgruntled GuhNoo idiots on Usenet are able to 
assess operating systems and know what's best for others.

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#680202

On 2024-12-14, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>>they like to use advanced functionality like 
>>hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>
> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
> But they are not, to most users.  
>
> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>
> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
> most users.  That's not fair or consistent.
>
> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
> whom the mainstream options are inadequate.  Many more would be better
> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think 
what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games 
that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#680308

Le 2024-12-14 à 11:34, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-14, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>>
>> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
>> But they are not, to most users.
>>
>> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>>
>> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
>> most users.  That's not fair or consistent.
>>
>> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
>> whom the mainstream options are inadequate.  Many more would be better
>> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.
> 
> Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
> what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
> that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)

No, I'll make it clearer:

1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting 
in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay 
between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always 
overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system 
anew preserving settings and applications.


-- 
CrudeSausage

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#680319

Le 15-12-2024, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit :
>
> No, I'll make it clearer:
>
> 1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.

Why? Everything I saw on the subject point to the other way.

> 2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting 
> in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).

I saw another of your message explaining issues about it, but I never
saw anything like that anywhere else. Your issue is probably with your
computer, maybe a particular device which makes it behave wrongly, but
I'm not convinced about it in a general way.

> 3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay 
> between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always 
> overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system 
> anew preserving settings and applications.

You are comparing two different things. Windows updates update only
Windows and nothing else: you have to manually handle everything else.
When a Linux update handle everything except for things you manually
installed (either because they're not managed by your distro or because
you want a more recent version). For example, if you want to use
FireFox, a Windows update wont take care of it when a Linux update will.

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#680340

Le 2024-12-15 à 09:00, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
> Le 15-12-2024, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit :
>>
>> No, I'll make it clearer:
>>
>> 1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
> 
> Why? Everything I saw on the subject point to the other way.

I believed that too but it's a common complaint for Linux users that 
their battery life is worse. TLP does a good job of narrowing the field 
between Windows and Linux though. On this machine, the difference is 
about 2-5mW per hour which doesn't seem like much but adds up.

Notice that this article admits to the problem. If you follow their 
instructions though, you will indeed see a benefit in power consumption: 
<https://www.maketecheasier.com/increase-linux-laptop-battery-life/>

>> 2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
>> in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
> 
> I saw another of your message explaining issues about it, but I never
> saw anything like that anywhere else. Your issue is probably with your
> computer, maybe a particular device which makes it behave wrongly, but
> I'm not convinced about it in a general way.

It appears that Linux finally added support for OPAL v2 encryption in 
August 2023 (late but better than never). With that in mind, feel free 
to explain how to enable it in Linux for the benefit of all this forum's 
readers.

>> 3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
>> between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
>> overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
>> anew preserving settings and applications.
> 
> You are comparing two different things. Windows updates update only
> Windows and nothing else: you have to manually handle everything else.
> When a Linux update handle everything except for things you manually
> installed (either because they're not managed by your distro or because
> you want a more recent version). For example, if you want to use
> FireFox, a Windows update wont take care of it when a Linux update will.

With winget, this is no longer true. You can update the operating system 
itself within Windows Update but update everything else through the 
command line using that tool. It's not as good as what Linux offers 
since it doesn't rely on a small set of repositories, but it's an 
improvement.

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#680476

On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-14 à 11:34, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-14, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>>>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>>>
>>> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
>>> But they are not, to most users.
>>>
>>> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>>>
>>> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
>>> most users.  That's not fair or consistent.
>>>
>>> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
>>> whom the mainstream options are inadequate.  Many more would be better
>>> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.
>> 
>> Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
>> what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
>> that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)
>
> No, I'll make it clearer:
>
> 1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
> 2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting 
> in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
> 3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay 
> between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always 
> overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system 
> anew preserving settings and applications.

Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes 
a difference.

Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't 
give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do 
it.

Response to 3) — As I've mentioned (a few times now) Linux works fine for me 
when updating computers that haven't been updated for over year, sometimes 
even multiple years. I've never had a Linux OS update failure. Meanwhile, my 
son's Windows 10 computer is running like a snail (with obvious issues) — 
and it refuses to update. I've tried about five Windows' "solutions" so far. 
No luck. I saw that it had an update "troubleshooter." I ran it. It claimed, 
for about FIVE hours, that it was "resolving the problem." It completed the 
"fix" with the message "Update Problem Found." Like no shit, Sherlock, 
that's why I ran the damn troubleshooter, because I had already "found" the 
problem. I know what's going to end up fixing it. Using a Linux USB to back 
up the files my son wants to save and rebuilding from scratch. This is 
always the way you "fix" Windows crap.

Out of curiosity, how would you know Linux doesn't update properly if not 
updated regularly? You never keep it installed long enough to know this.

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what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#680492

Le 2024-12-16 à 05:56, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-14 à 11:34, RonB a écrit :
>>> On 2024-12-14, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>>>>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>>>>
>>>> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
>>>> But they are not, to most users.
>>>>
>>>> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
>>>> most users.  That's not fair or consistent.
>>>>
>>>> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
>>>> whom the mainstream options are inadequate.  Many more would be better
>>>> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.
>>>
>>> Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
>>> what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
>>> that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)
>>
>> No, I'll make it clearer:
>>
>> 1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
>> 2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
>> in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
>> 3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
>> between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
>> overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
>> anew preserving settings and applications.
> 
> Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
> a difference.

For power consumption, Intel is generally better than AMD on battery.

> Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
> give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
> it.

It is the standard method for hardware encryption and allows you to use 
the storage at its full speed unlike the software method which 
compromises on performance very considerably. It has the benefit of 
keeping your data safe in case of theft without bogging down your hardware.

> Response to 3) — As I've mentioned (a few times now) Linux works fine for me
> when updating computers that haven't been updated for over year, sometimes
> even multiple years. I've never had a Linux OS update failure. Meanwhile, my
> son's Windows 10 computer is running like a snail (with obvious issues) —
> and it refuses to update. I've tried about five Windows' "solutions" so far.
> No luck. I saw that it had an update "troubleshooter." I ran it. It claimed,
> for about FIVE hours, that it was "resolving the problem." It completed the
> "fix" with the message "Update Problem Found." Like no shit, Sherlock,
> that's why I ran the damn troubleshooter, because I had already "found" the
> problem. I know what's going to end up fixing it. Using a Linux USB to back
> up the files my son wants to save and rebuilding from scratch. This is
> always the way you "fix" Windows crap.
> 
> Out of curiosity, how would you know Linux doesn't update properly if not
> updated regularly? You never keep it installed long enough to know this.

That is actually part of why I don't keep Linux installed for long.

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#680566

On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:56, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 11:34, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-12-14, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>>>>>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
>>>>> But they are not, to most users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>>>>>
>>>>> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
>>>>> most users.  That's not fair or consistent.
>>>>>
>>>>> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
>>>>> whom the mainstream options are inadequate.  Many more would be better
>>>>> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.
>>>>
>>>> Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
>>>> what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
>>>> that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)
>>>
>>> No, I'll make it clearer:
>>>
>>> 1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
>>> 2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
>>> in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
>>> 3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
>>> between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
>>> overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
>>> anew preserving settings and applications.
>> 
>> Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
>> a difference.
>
> For power consumption, Intel is generally better than AMD on battery.

Okay, I'll take your word for that. I've never (personally) had a laptop 
that used an AMD CPU. I think my wife had one HP laptop that did — it was a 
piece of crap. I think HP makes good business machines, but their consumer 
laptops (and desktops) seem to be crap to me. I guess that can be said for 
Dell also. I've used Dell's business machines for a long time now.

>> Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
>> give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
>> it.
>
> It is the standard method for hardware encryption and allows you to use 
> the storage at its full speed unlike the software method which 
> compromises on performance very considerably. It has the benefit of 
> keeping your data safe in case of theft without bogging down your hardware.

Okay. I still have no interest in encryption. I've tried to recover data 
from an encrypted hard drive (not mine) in the past. It was futile (for me, 
at least) and I didn't like it.

>> Response to 3) — As I've mentioned (a few times now) Linux works fine for me
>> when updating computers that haven't been updated for over year, sometimes
>> even multiple years. I've never had a Linux OS update failure. Meanwhile, my
>> son's Windows 10 computer is running like a snail (with obvious issues) —
>> and it refuses to update. I've tried about five Windows' "solutions" so far.
>> No luck. I saw that it had an update "troubleshooter." I ran it. It claimed,
>> for about FIVE hours, that it was "resolving the problem." It completed the
>> "fix" with the message "Update Problem Found." Like no shit, Sherlock,
>> that's why I ran the damn troubleshooter, because I had already "found" the
>> problem. I know what's going to end up fixing it. Using a Linux USB to back
>> up the files my son wants to save and rebuilding from scratch. This is
>> always the way you "fix" Windows crap.
>> 
>> Out of curiosity, how would you know Linux doesn't update properly if not
>> updated regularly? You never keep it installed long enough to know this.
>
> That is actually part of why I don't keep Linux installed for long.

Okay, so... your judging Linux by hearsay?

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what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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