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  Who Knows Hardware? Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2024-12-12 15:26 +0000
    Re: Who Knows Hardware? Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-12 22:49 +0000
      Re: Who Knows Hardware? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 17:55 -0500
      Re: Who Knows Hardware? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 21:16 -0600
        Re: Who Knows Hardware? Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2024-12-13 12:06 +0000
          Re: Who Knows Hardware? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 14:03 -0600
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 13:51 -0700
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-15 10:17 -0500
        Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-13 09:40 -0500
          Re: Who Knows Hardware? DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-13 18:29 -0500
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 07:45 -0500
        Re: Who Knows Hardware? DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-13 22:05 -0500
          Re: Who Knows Hardware? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 22:11 -0500
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 08:06 -0500
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:50 +0000
                Linux gaming (was: Re: Who Knows Hardware?) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-15 00:26 +0000
                  Re: Linux gaming CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 09:52 -0500
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-17 12:31 -0500
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 13:05 -0500
                Re: Who Knows Hardware? DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-17 16:27 -0500
                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 16:32 -0500
                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 18:13 -0500
                Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 17:20 -0500
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-17 18:24 +0000
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-17 19:42 +0000
                Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 21:28 +0000
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 17:13 -0500
          Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 07:59 -0500
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-14 07:52 -0600
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-14 09:17 -0500
                Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:36 +0000
                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:24 -0500
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-14 10:38 -0500
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:34 +0000
                Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:23 -0500
                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-15 14:00 +0000
                    Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 10:37 -0500
                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 10:56 +0000
                    Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-16 11:08 -0500
                      Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 08:34 +0000
                        Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 09:05 -0500
                          Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 21:27 +0000
                            Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 18:18 -0500
                              Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 11:47 +0000
                                Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 09:31 -0500
                                Re: Who Knows Hardware? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-18 19:19 +0000
                                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 19:36 -0500
                                    Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 08:55 +0000
                                  Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 08:50 +0000
                        Re: Who Knows Hardware? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-17 20:08 +0000
            Re: Who Knows Hardware? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:31 +0000
              Re: Who Knows Hardware? CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 08:19 -0500

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#679908 — Who Knows Hardware?

My new Intel Xeon processor has Uncore frequency scaling that can be
controlled by kernel module "intel_uncore:"

https://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/INTEL_UNCORE_FREQ_CONTROL.html

This apparently can optimize access to the Intel "uncore" chip
components, including processor cache.

Would it be advisable to enable this?

Who am I kidding?  Ain't no one gonna answer.

I shall enable it.

Cateee is great.  That resource has saved my bacon many times in
the past.


-- 
Hail Linux!  Hail FOSS!  Hail Stallman!

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#679983

On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 15:26:35 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:

> 
> Who am I kidding?  Ain't no one gonna answer.
> 

I knew it.  There ain't nobody here 'cept retarded distro
lackeys.

The whole point and purpose of GNU/Linux is DIY.

There are a LOT of GNU/Linux DIY people but not on this
fucking group.

Lackeys please go away.  Find some other forum to occupy
your minuscule minds.

GNU/Linux is for MEN and not lackeys.



-- 
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

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#679984

Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:

>> Who am I kidding?  Ain't no one gonna answer.
>
>I knew it.  There ain't nobody here 'cept retarded distro
>lackeys.
>
>The whole point and purpose of GNU/Linux is DIY.
>
>There are a LOT of GNU/Linux DIY people but not on this
>fucking group.
>
>Lackeys please go away.  Find some other forum to occupy
>your minuscule minds.
>
>GNU/Linux is for MEN and not lackeys.


Dude, you would be talking to yourself, if we restrict advocacy of
Linux to DIYers, you fucking imbecile.  Grow the faintest of hearts.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#680029

On 12/12/24 4:49 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
> Lackeys please go away.  Find some other forum to occupy
> your minuscule minds.


Hahhahhahh :)

I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business. 
That keeps me here.

But.. your way of approaching Linux will never do it of course. Somebody 
needs to create a flavor of Linux on which installing new programs are 
as simple as doing it on smartphones. I'm looking for such linux 
products for desktops. If I find one, I'll never say anything else here 
but describing that product :)

Then every one of you, including you, Flud, will become faithful user of 
it for the rest of your lives.

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#680030

On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 21:16:31 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

> 
> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
> That keeps me here.
> 
> But.. your way of approaching Linux will never do it of course. Somebody
> needs to create a flavor of Linux on which installing new programs are
> as simple as doing it on smartphones.
>

In that case, you are not referring to COMPUTERS; you are referring to
APPLIANCES.

An appliance is a simple device that is strictly limited to a well defined,
small set of capabilities and nothing more.

A computer, in stark contrast, is an extremely complicated machine that
does nothing but that has the potential to do anything.

No two computing machines are exactly alike because of the huge number
of different hardware and configuration possibilities.  As a consequence
it becomes difficult, if not impossible, for any software package to
accommodate all systems all the time.

Any computer must be intensively managed.  There is no way to avoid that
basic fact.

A lot of GNU/Linux distros attempt to remove the user from the management
loop but the end result is always more of an appliance rather than a 
computer.

For me, half the enjoyment of using GNU/Linux is the intensive 
managementthat that is required, and if performed successfully such
management provides a truly powerful computing system and not a cheap
appliance.












 I'm looking for such linux
> products for desktops. If I find one, I'll never say anything else here
> but describing that product :)
> 
> Then every one of you, including you, Flud, will become faithful user of
> it for the rest of your lives.





-- 
Hail Linux!  Hail FOSS!  Hail Stallman!

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#680071

On 12/13/24 6:06 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 21:16:31 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:
> 
>>
>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>> That keeps me here.
>>
>> But.. your way of approaching Linux will never do it of course. Somebody
>> needs to create a flavor of Linux on which installing new programs are
>> as simple as doing it on smartphones.
>>
> 
> In that case, you are not referring to COMPUTERS; you are referring to
> APPLIANCES.
> 
> An appliance is a simple device that is strictly limited to a well defined,
> small set of capabilities and nothing more.
> 
> A computer, in stark contrast, is an extremely complicated machine that
> does nothing but that has the potential to do anything.
> 
> No two computing machines are exactly alike because of the huge number
> of different hardware and configuration possibilities.  As a consequence
> it becomes difficult, if not impossible, for any software package to
> accommodate all systems all the time.
> 
> Any computer must be intensively managed.  There is no way to avoid that
> basic fact.
> 
> A lot of GNU/Linux distros attempt to remove the user from the management
> loop but the end result is always more of an appliance rather than a
> computer.
> 
> For me, half the enjoyment of using GNU/Linux is the intensive
> managementthat that is required, and if performed successfully such
> management provides a truly powerful computing system and not a cheap
> appliance.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   I'm looking for such linux
>> products for desktops. If I find one, I'll never say anything else here
>> but describing that product :)
>>
>> Then every one of you, including you, Flud, will become faithful user of
>> it for the rest of your lives.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



Linux is not a computer. And if the computer cpu's are too varied these 
days to accomodate the linux that I want (which I doubt they're that 
varied) then the team that creates the Linux should also create and 
design the cpu for delivering such capabilities. I've discussed this 
before here. 85 years have passed and you disoriented easily bought 
people have not been able to create standards for CPUs which leave OS 
_and_ computer programs free of limitations they have for a particular 
CPU or OS.

I don't have restrictions in my mind that in YOUR mind are Gods of this 
fucking universe. I'm not a computer scientist buried under limitations 
that Al Capones of this country and this community have placed on it.

I'm talking common sense. Common to Modern Humans :)

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#680081

Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 12/13/24 6:06 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 21:16:31 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>>> That keeps me here.
>>>
>>> But.. your way of approaching Linux will never do it of course. Somebody
>>> needs to create a flavor of Linux on which installing new programs are
>>> as simple as doing it on smartphones.
>>>
>>
>> In that case, you are not referring to COMPUTERS; you are referring to
>> APPLIANCES.
>>
>> An appliance is a simple device that is strictly limited to a well 
>> defined,
>> small set of capabilities and nothing more.
>>
>> A computer, in stark contrast, is an extremely complicated machine that
>> does nothing but that has the potential to do anything.
>>
>> No two computing machines are exactly alike because of the huge number
>> of different hardware and configuration possibilities.  As a consequence
>> it becomes difficult, if not impossible, for any software package to
>> accommodate all systems all the time.
>>
>> Any computer must be intensively managed.  There is no way to avoid that
>> basic fact.
>>
>> A lot of GNU/Linux distros attempt to remove the user from the management
>> loop but the end result is always more of an appliance rather than a
>> computer.
>>
>> For me, half the enjoyment of using GNU/Linux is the intensive
>> managementthat that is required, and if performed successfully such
>> management provides a truly powerful computing system and not a cheap
>> appliance.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   I'm looking for such linux
>>> products for desktops. If I find one, I'll never say anything else here
>>> but describing that product :)
>>>
>>> Then every one of you, including you, Flud, will become faithful user of
>>> it for the rest of your lives.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> Linux is not a computer. And if the computer cpu's are too varied these 
> days to accomodate the linux that I want (which I doubt they're that 
> varied) then the team that creates the Linux should also create and 
> design the cpu for delivering such capabilities. I've discussed this 
> before here. 85 years have passed and you disoriented easily bought 
> people have not been able to create standards for CPUs which leave OS 
> _and_ computer programs free of limitations they have for a particular 
> CPU or OS.
> 
> I don't have restrictions in my mind that in YOUR mind are Gods of this 
> fucking universe. I'm not a computer scientist buried under limitations 
> that Al Capones of this country and this community have placed on it.
> 
> I'm talking common sense. Common to Modern Humans :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
  "managementthat " , lol

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#680326

On 12/13/2024 3:03 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:


> And if the computer cpu's are too varied these 
> days to accomodate the linux that I want (which I doubt they're that 
> varied) then the team that creates the Linux should also create and 
> design the cpu for delivering such capabilities. 


Ho Lee Fuk, būzīna!

Since you're Feeb's ass-kisser, I guarantee he won't chastise you for 
this extremely ridiculous and ignorant statement.



> I've discussed this 
> before here. 85 years have passed and you disoriented easily bought 
> people have not been able to create standards for CPUs which leave OS 
> _and_ computer programs free of limitations they have for a particular 
> CPU or OS.
> 
> I don't have restrictions in my mind that in YOUR mind are Gods of this 
> fucking universe. I'm not a computer scientist buried under limitations 
> that Al Capones of this country and this community have placed on it.
> 
> I'm talking common sense. Common to Modern Humans :)

What 'free of limitations' nonsense are you babbling about, Fargam?

It appears your drunken idiocy about "It's easy to write an operating 
system" has now been extended to include "It's easy to design a CPU".

Get to it:

https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Processor-Design-Fundamentals-Superscalar/dp/1478607831

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#680041

Le 2024-12-12 à 22:16, Physfitfreak a écrit :
> On 12/12/24 4:49 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
>> Lackeys please go away.  Find some other forum to occupy
>> your minuscule minds.
> 
> 
> Hahhahhahh :)
> 
> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business. 
> That keeps me here.

And I have faith that Muslims will one day learn introspection so they 
can finally figure out why everyone hates their guts as much as they 
hate the Jews.

> But.. your way of approaching Linux will never do it of course. Somebody 
> needs to create a flavor of Linux on which installing new programs are 
> as simple as doing it on smartphones. I'm looking for such linux 
> products for desktops. If I find one, I'll never say anything else here 
> but describing that product :)
> 
> Then every one of you, including you, Flud, will become faithful user of 
> it for the rest of your lives.

Once everyone dies from nuclear war or nuclear fallout in 2099, 2100 
will be the year of the Linux desktop for the few mutants who survive.

-- 
CrudeSausage

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#680112

On 12/13/2024 9:40 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> Le 2024-12-12 à 22:16, Physfitfreak a écrit :
>> On 12/12/24 4:49 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
>>> Lackeys please go away.  Find some other forum to occupy
>>> your minuscule minds.
>>
>>
>> Hahhahhahh :)
>>
>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business. 
>> That keeps me here.
> 
> And I have faith that Muslims will one day learn introspection so they 
> can finally figure out why everyone hates their guts as much as they 
> hate the Jews.

Have you figured out why you hate Muslims AND Jews?



>> But.. your way of approaching Linux will never do it of course. 
>> Somebody needs to create a flavor of Linux on which installing new 
>> programs are as simple as doing it on smartphones. I'm looking for 
>> such linux products for desktops. If I find one, I'll never say 
>> anything else here but describing that product :)
>>
>> Then every one of you, including you, Flud, will become faithful user 
>> of it for the rest of your lives.
> 
> Once everyone dies from nuclear war or nuclear fallout in 2099, 2100 
> will be the year of the Linux desktop for the few mutants who survive.


First new distro by the surviving GuhNoo dunces: Nucular Linux

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#680146

Le 2024-12-13 à 18:29, DFS a écrit :
> On 12/13/2024 9:40 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-12 à 22:16, Physfitfreak a écrit :
>>> On 12/12/24 4:49 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
>>>> Lackeys please go away.  Find some other forum to occupy
>>>> your minuscule minds.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hahhahhahh :)
>>>
>>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business. 
>>> That keeps me here.
>>
>> And I have faith that Muslims will one day learn introspection so they 
>> can finally figure out why everyone hates their guts as much as they 
>> hate the Jews.
> 
> Have you figured out why you hate Muslims AND Jews?

Both are troublemakers in their own way. I see very clearly what the 
Jews and Israel are doing on the world stage and I get to experience the 
Muslim effect on society and even the classroom on a daily basis. There 
are good people there, but the majority isn't.

-- 
CrudeSausage

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#680123

On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:


> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business. 
> That keeps me here.

Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that 
thought for 3+ decades.

Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to 
understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.

Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.

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#680125

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business. 
>> That keeps me here.
>
>Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that 
>thought for 3+ decades.
>
>Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to 
>understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
>
>Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.


The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
Winblows being "ruined".  It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
people typically have to boot it, Linux provides a usable alternative,
but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#680152

Le 2024-12-13 à 22:11, Joel a écrit :
> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>> On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>
>>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>>> That keeps me here.
>>
>> Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
>> thought for 3+ decades.
>>
>> Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
>> understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
>>
>> Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.
> 
> 
> The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
> Winblows being "ruined".  It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
> people typically have to boot it, Linux provides a usable alternative,
> but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.

Because people don't have to worry that their third-party hardware might 
not work under Windows, and they don't have to worry that the software 
they like will execute. For desktop experience, the only area Linux can 
compete with Windows in is cost. If you have an under-performing machine 
but still want a decent experience, you're a lot more likely to get it 
with Linux. That's also why I am not even considering Windows for the 
twenty out-of-use computers the school board is going to send me to 
serve the financially-strapped neighbourhood I work in. These people can 
barely afford pencils, so it wouldn't make sense to give them Windows 
and tell them to buy software. However, if you can afford decent 
hardware, there truly is no good reason to run Linux. You can convince 
yourself that it's more secure, faster, lighter on resources or more 
private, but most of that doesn't even matter to the people who 
willingly give away most of their private information by default by 
getting onto platforms like Facebook, Instagram and "free" e-mail services.

-- 
CrudeSausage

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#680204

On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-13 à 22:11, Joel a écrit :
>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>> On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>>>> That keeps me here.
>>>
>>> Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
>>> thought for 3+ decades.
>>>
>>> Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
>>> understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
>>>
>>> Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.
>> 
>> 
>> The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
>> Winblows being "ruined".  It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
>> people typically have to boot it, Linux provides a usable alternative,
>> but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.
>
> Because people don't have to worry that their third-party hardware might 
> not work under Windows, and they don't have to worry that the software 
> they like will execute. For desktop experience, the only area Linux can 
> compete with Windows in is cost. If you have an under-performing machine 
> but still want a decent experience, you're a lot more likely to get it 
> with Linux. That's also why I am not even considering Windows for the 
> twenty out-of-use computers the school board is going to send me to 
> serve the financially-strapped neighbourhood I work in. These people can 
> barely afford pencils, so it wouldn't make sense to give them Windows 
> and tell them to buy software. However, if you can afford decent 
> hardware, there truly is no good reason to run Linux. You can convince 
> yourself that it's more secure, faster, lighter on resources or more 
> private, but most of that doesn't even matter to the people who 
> willingly give away most of their private information by default by 
> getting onto platforms like Facebook, Instagram and "free" e-mail services.

I've been using Linux for 18 years because it's superior to Windows. Much 
easier to maintain and use. A much more logical directory structure. Much 
more reliable. And much faster, lighter, secure and private (as you 
mentioned). And there's no ads popping up when you just want to look at the 
temperature. Linux, if you're not married to M$ Office or Adobe rental crap 
— or if you don't want to play video games designed specifically for 
Windows — is a much better OS than Windows. Not even close.

There's a reason I don't use Windows and it's not because I can't afford it. 
(Most of my Dell business machines have a Windows license built into the 
BIOS, so it's free.) I use Linux because it's better. Period. I don't play 
Windows' video games and I don't use Adobe rentware or M$ Office. Zero 
desire to do so. The ability to run these applications is about the only 
reason I can see for wanting to use Windows. Fortunately I don't have that 
problem.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#680263 — Linux gaming (was: Re: Who Knows Hardware?)

On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 16:50:27 -0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
wrote in <vjkd0j$28k0$10@dont-email.me>:

> Linux, if you're not married to M$ Office or Adobe rental crap 
> — or if you don't want to play video games designed specifically for 
> Windows — is a much better OS than Windows. Not even close.

Games with their proton ratings, sorted by most popular:

   https://www.protondb.com/explore?sort=popular

Not all games run well on Linux.  Many do.

(Also, it goes without saying that Office 365 works just
fine with Linux.)

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   OS: Linux 6.12.4 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
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#680323 — Re: Linux gaming

Le 2024-12-14 à 19:26, vallor a écrit :
> On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 16:50:27 -0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
> wrote in <vjkd0j$28k0$10@dont-email.me>:
> 
>> Linux, if you're not married to M$ Office or Adobe rental crap
>> — or if you don't want to play video games designed specifically for
>> Windows — is a much better OS than Windows. Not even close.
> 
> Games with their proton ratings, sorted by most popular:
> 
>     https://www.protondb.com/explore?sort=popular
> 
> Not all games run well on Linux.  Many do.
> 
> (Also, it goes without saying that Office 365 works just
> fine with Linux.)

What that site doesn't mention is that there is usually an amount of 
tinkering necessary to get the games running and that the tinkers often 
work in one distribution but not in the other. I'll admit that many 
games are trivial to get running, but probably more work than most are 
willing to go through. Additionally, if the games aren't on Steam, the 
download rates in applications like Lutris, for whatever reason, are 
unbelievably slow.

-- 
CrudeSausage

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#680587

On 12/13/2024 10:11 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>> On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>
>>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>>> That keeps me here.
>>
>> Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
>> thought for 3+ decades.
>>
>> Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
>> understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
>>
>> Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.
> 
> 
> The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
> Winblows being "ruined".  


It's just ignorant GuhNoo drooling.  No substance to their fantasies. 
There never has been, for 30+ years.



> It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
> people typically have to boot it, 


Win11 Pro runs fast on my low-end system:

item and current new prices:

AMD 5600G chip  $139
MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk mobo $140
Crucial 16GB DDR4-3200 memory  $33
nVidia GTX 750Ti 2GB single-fan video  $124
Team 256GB NVMe boot/app drive  $23
WD 2TB   SSD  data/storage drive $189

Total $648

It's not easy to even find a prebuilt AMD 5600 system more expensive 
than that.  So Win11 has NOT outpaced low-end hardware.

The benchmarks on my system are low, but in use it's fast at everything. 
  The most noticeable bottleneck by far is copying big files to my HDD 
backup drive.



> Linux provides a usable alternative,
> but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.

No duh.  Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and 
games.

I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer 
right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone).  At that point I can 
mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.

Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the 
picture files just as easily?

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#680588

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>On 12/13/2024 10:11 PM, Joel wrote:
>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>> On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>>>> That keeps me here.
>>>
>>> Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
>>> thought for 3+ decades.
>>>
>>> Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
>>> understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
>>>
>>> Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.
>> 
>> The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
>> Winblows being "ruined".  
>
>It's just ignorant GuhNoo drooling.  No substance to their fantasies. 
>There never has been, for 30+ years.


Win11 remains the prince OS, supporting bleeding-edge hardware.


>> It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
>> people typically have to boot it, 
>
>Win11 Pro runs fast on my low-end system:
>
>item and current new prices:
>
>AMD 5600G chip  $139
>MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk mobo $140
>Crucial 16GB DDR4-3200 memory  $33
>nVidia GTX 750Ti 2GB single-fan video  $124
>Team 256GB NVMe boot/app drive  $23
>WD 2TB   SSD  data/storage drive $189
>
>Total $648
>
>It's not easy to even find a prebuilt AMD 5600 system more expensive 
>than that.  So Win11 has NOT outpaced low-end hardware.
>
>The benchmarks on my system are low, but in use it's fast at everything. 
>  The most noticeable bottleneck by far is copying big files to my HDD 
>backup drive.
>
>> Linux provides a usable alternative,
>> but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.
>
>No duh.  Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and 
>games.
>
>I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer 
>right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone).  At that point I can 
>mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
>
>Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the 
>picture files just as easily?


You're tolerating the bloat, I'm not.  As for linking my phone, my
computer has Bluetooth, I imagine I could use that.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#680634

On 12/17/2024 1:05 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>> On 12/13/2024 10:11 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>>> On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>>>>> That keeps me here.
>>>>
>>>> Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
>>>> thought for 3+ decades.
>>>>
>>>> Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
>>>> understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
>>>>
>>>> Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.
>>>
>>> The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
>>> Winblows being "ruined".
>>
>> It's just ignorant GuhNoo drooling.  No substance to their fantasies.
>> There never has been, for 30+ years.
> 
> 
> Win11 remains the prince OS, supporting bleeding-edge hardware.
> 
> 
>>> It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
>>> people typically have to boot it,
>>
>> Win11 Pro runs fast on my low-end system:
>>
>> item and current new prices:
>>
>> AMD 5600G chip  $139
>> MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk mobo $140
>> Crucial 16GB DDR4-3200 memory  $33
>> nVidia GTX 750Ti 2GB single-fan video  $124
>> Team 256GB NVMe boot/app drive  $23
>> WD 2TB   SSD  data/storage drive $189
>>
>> Total $648
>>
>> It's not easy to even find a prebuilt AMD 5600 system more expensive
>> than that.  So Win11 has NOT outpaced low-end hardware.
>>
>> The benchmarks on my system are low, but in use it's fast at everything.
>>   The most noticeable bottleneck by far is copying big files to my HDD
>> backup drive.
>>
>>> Linux provides a usable alternative,
>>> but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.
>>
>> No duh.  Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and
>> games.
>>
>> I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
>> right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone).  At that point I can
>> mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
>>
>> Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
>> picture files just as easily?
> 
> 
> You're tolerating the bloat, I'm not.  

I want some evidence for Windows 'bloat' that affects you.

In the face of $50 to $70 per TB of SSD, an extra 40GB of storage costs 
approx $2 to $3.  And 40GB is probably way overstating the incremental 
storage space required for Windows and Windows apps vs Linux and Linux apps.

https://diskprices.com

In the face of $2 per GB of DDR4-3200 memory, an extra 4GB of RAM for 
Windows costs $8.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ddr4+3200+ram+16gb


So that's $10 of hardware 'bloat' for Windows

You spend more than that every week on KY jelly.

So why are you bitching?



> As for linking my phone, my
> computer has Bluetooth, I imagine I could use that.

Imagination can't help you here.

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