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| First post | 2025-08-15 22:30 -0400 |
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Fedora broke "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 22:30 -0400
Re: Fedora broke ๐ต๐ฑJacek Marcin Jaworski๐ต๐ฑ <jaworski1978@adres.pl> - 2025-08-16 06:22 +0200
Re: Fedora broke Lawrence DโOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-16 04:30 +0000
Re: Fedora broke "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 00:50 -0400
Re: Fedora broke vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-16 06:14 +0000
Re: Fedora broke "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 02:38 -0400
Re: Fedora broke rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-16 07:12 +0000
Re: ๐ณ๏ธโ๐Fedora broke๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐๐๐ป๐บ๐น๐ป๐๐ท๐บ๐Jen๐๐๐ป๐บ๐น๐ป๐๐ท๐บ๐ Dershmenderdenden...den-den *jazz hands*๐๐ป๐บ๐น๐ป๐๐ท๐บ๐ถ็ฌ๐๐๐ป๐บ๐น๐ป๐๐ท๐บ๐ <root@127.0.0.1> - 2025-08-16 14:32 +0000
Re: Fedora broke vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-17 09:28 +0000
Re: ๐ณ๏ธโ๐Fedora broke๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐๐๐ป๐บ๐น๐ป๐๐ท๐บ๐Jen๐๐๐ป๐บ๐น๐ป๐๐ท๐บ๐ Dershmenderdenden...den-den *jazz hands*๐๐ป๐บ๐น๐ป๐๐ท๐บ๐ถ็ฌ๐๐๐ป๐บ๐น๐ป๐๐ท๐บ๐ <root@127.0.0.1> - 2025-08-17 20:43 +0000
Re: Fedora broke CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-08-16 08:26 +0000
Re: Fedora broke "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 04:32 -0400
Re: Fedora broke CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-08-16 08:46 +0000
Re: Fedora broke "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 04:56 -0400
Re: Fedora broke CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-08-16 09:21 +0000
Re: Fedora broke "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 05:26 -0400
Re: Fedora broke CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-08-16 09:32 +0000
Re: Fedora broke "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 05:37 -0400
Re: Fedora broke CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-08-16 09:48 +0000
Re: Fedora broke "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 06:17 -0400
Re: Fedora broke rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-16 23:09 +0000
Re: Fedora broke rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-16 23:07 +0000
Re: Fedora broke rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-16 22:56 +0000
Re: Fedora broke CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-08-16 23:16 +0000
Re: Fedora broke vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-17 09:49 +0000
Re: Fedora broke rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-17 19:23 +0000
Re: Fedora broke Lawrence DโOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-17 00:30 +0000
Re: Fedora broke CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-08-17 00:40 +0000
Re: Fedora broke Stรฉphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-16 08:42 +0000
Re: Fedora broke "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 04:49 -0400
Re: Fedora broke pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-08-16 19:49 +0000
Re: Fedora broke "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 16:15 -0400
Re: Fedora broke rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-16 22:52 +0000
Re: Fedora broke CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-17 08:47 -0400
Re: Fedora broke rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-17 19:26 +0000
Re: Fedora broke CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-17 15:33 -0400
Re: Fedora broke RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 11:05 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-16 23:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mgchduFitriU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #694937 |
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 09:21:56 -0000 (UTC), CtrlAltDel wrote: > On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 04:56:39 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote: > >> Suffice to say, I'm back to Debian, and that happens to have a new >> release, so I have the latest stable version, and have put Fedora >> behind me. > > That's cool, Joel. I hope it works for you. Just don't ever update, > bro, > or they will know. If Trixie is like Bookworm he'll be updating if he wants a working system. Out of the frying pan...
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-16 23:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mgcha7FitriU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #694935 |
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 04:56:39 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 8/16/25 4:46 AM, CtrlAltDel wrote: > >>> It was just simple software updates that were offered, not a reinstall >>> or something. >> >> Regardless of that fact, they still may think you need to slow down >> even on the software updates. If I were you, I would shoot a message to >> the Fedora team and ask them if they are monitoring your usage habits. >> >> Sounds like they are. > > > Suffice to say, I'm back to Debian, and that happens to have a new > release, so I have the latest stable version, and have put Fedora behind > me. Best of luck. Bookworm wasn't exactly stable when it was released. Maybe Trixie will be better. I think I'll avoid that. 'Trixie' is too close to the word used in my family to refer to the tail of a roast turkey. Probably some dimly remembered Swabian term. There were a few of those. I was pretty old before I figured out most people call Schnittlauch chives.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-16 22:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mgcgliFitriU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #694933 |
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 08:46:09 -0000 (UTC), CtrlAltDel wrote: > On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 04:32:54 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote: > > >> It was just simple software updates that were offered, not a reinstall >> or something. > > Regardless of that fact, they still may think you need to slow down even > on the software updates. If I were you, I would shoot a message to the > Fedora team and ask them if they are monitoring your usage habits. > > Sounds like they are. It's Fedora. I updated 485 packages on Tuesday and 306 today. It's not a distro for people who don't want to update every few days. However doing the updates hasn't killed my system.
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| From | CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-16 23:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107r3hb$1vt2b$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #694990 |
On 16 Aug 2025 22:56:50 GMT, rbowman wrote: > It's Fedora. I updated 485 packages on Tuesday and 306 today. It's not a > distro for people who don't want to update every few days. However doing > the updates hasn't killed my system. I understand that, rbowman. The thing is, it's different for Joel as he has been earmarked as a serial updater. He updated Mint when it really wasn't even needed and they have prevented him from using it. Then he jumped to Fedora and started updating like a wild animal with no control whatsoever, and they cut him off too. I guess he imagined his previous history with Mint wouldn't follow him to Fedora and he could just do what he wanted when he wanted. They are watching him though. He is literally out of his mind if he somehow thinks that Debian isn't aware of his proclivities. They will give him one or two chances but, he's on a short rope for sure. I've recommended that he no longer needs to update anything, ever, if he wants to keep using mainstream distros. -- All of Usenet is in a psychological, emotional, and antisocial free fall into an abyss and fully immersed in a drowning pool of mental illness.
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2025-08-17 09:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mgdmtqFneacU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #694990 |
On 16 Aug 2025 22:56:50 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <mgcgliFitriU5@mid.individual.net>: > On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 08:46:09 -0000 (UTC), CtrlAltDel wrote: > >> On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 04:32:54 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote: >> >> >>> It was just simple software updates that were offered, not a reinstall >>> or something. >> >> Regardless of that fact, they still may think you need to slow down >> even on the software updates. If I were you, I would shoot a message to >> the Fedora team and ask them if they are monitoring your usage habits. >> >> Sounds like they are. > > It's Fedora. I updated 485 packages on Tuesday and 306 today. It's not a > distro for people who don't want to update every few days. However doing > the updates hasn't killed my system. The frequent updates didn't bother me very much, it was the bi-yearly upgrades that always ended up with sessions of rpm-surgery. I got pretty good at it. That was with yum though, not sure how much better dnf is. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090Ti 24G OS: Linux 6.16.1 D: Mint 22.1 DE: Xfce 4.18 NVIDIA: 580.76.05 Mem: 258G "Smile... people will wonder what you've been up to."
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-17 19:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mgeoi2Fts0dU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #695041 |
On 17 Aug 2025 09:49:46 GMT, vallor wrote: > On 16 Aug 2025 22:56:50 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in > <mgcgliFitriU5@mid.individual.net>: > >> On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 08:46:09 -0000 (UTC), CtrlAltDel wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 04:32:54 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote: >>> >>> >>>> It was just simple software updates that were offered, not a >>>> reinstall or something. >>> >>> Regardless of that fact, they still may think you need to slow down >>> even on the software updates. If I were you, I would shoot a message >>> to the Fedora team and ask them if they are monitoring your usage >>> habits. >>> >>> Sounds like they are. >> >> It's Fedora. I updated 485 packages on Tuesday and 306 today. It's not >> a distro for people who don't want to update every few days. However >> doing the updates hasn't killed my system. > > The frequent updates didn't bother me very much, it was the bi-yearly > upgrades that always ended up with sessions of rpm-surgery. I got > pretty good at it. > > That was with yum though, not sure how much better dnf is. I missed yum. At first I thought about yast. I had not used any Red Hat distro since Red Hat Linux 7.0 in 2000 with the infamous gcc 2.96. That release also had a homegrown Python and other surprises. I put Fedora on a old Windows box I had been running OpenSUSE 13.2 on with a certain degree of skepticism. I figured if it sucked I would put the current Leap on instead. Except for a very brief rocky time when KDE, Plasma, and Qt were being sorted I've liked it, I forget the versions but I do know whatever I started with was upgraded to dnf5 but that was seamless. I was amused at first. In my mind dnf is 'did not finish' or in geocaching logs 'did not find (the cache)' I don't think it's as confusing as apt. 'apt update' doesn't and the first few times 'apt upgrade' sounded like something I didn't want to do. 'dnf update' shows you the new packages and asks if you want to continue instead of two extra steps for 'list --upgradeable' and 'upgrade'
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| From | Lawrence DโOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-17 00:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107r7qk$20k71$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #694925 |
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 08:26:25 -0000 (UTC), CtrlAltDel wrote: > Personally, you may have arrived at a juncture in your Linux journey > where you just need to completely reformat your entire drive, install a > distro, and never, ever update for any reason whatsoever. Spoken like a true Dimdows user.
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| From | CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-17 00:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107r8dm$1vt2b$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #695006 |
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 00:30:12 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DโOliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 08:26:25 -0000 (UTC), CtrlAltDel wrote: > >> Personally, you may have arrived at a juncture in your Linux journey >> where you just need to completely reformat your entire drive, install a >> distro, and never, ever update for any reason whatsoever. > > Spoken like a true Dimdows user. I haven't used Windows since I switched over to Linux with Mint Elyssa back in 2008. Once again, I have to explain things to users in this group. I've never seen anything like it; none of seem to catch on very quick and don't know how to read a thread. It's like each of you read the post you are responding to and have absolutely no recollection of any other posts in the entire thread. The advice I gave to Joel was specifically for Joel, as maintainers of several distros have, by his own admission and adamant declarations, blackballed him for updating. Therefore, he has been advised, very wisely, to no longer update. -- All of Usenet is in a psychological, emotional, and antisocial free fall into an abyss and fully immersed in a drowning pool of mental illness.
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| From | Stรฉphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> |
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| Date | 2025-08-16 08:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <68a04491$0$24825$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #694900 |
Le 16-08-2025, Joel W. Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> a รฉcritย : > On 8/16/25 12:30 AM, Lawrence DโOliveiro wrote: > >>> I really don't get it. It said there were updates, I tried to install >>> them, it just rebooted without going into the special update mode. >>> Couldn't make it happen, so I decided to download the recently released >>> Debian 13 "trixie". So far it's been fine. If you change your distro each time something goes wrong, you'll never improve. If you really are the tech guy you pretend to be, you should be able to fix it. >> To be fair, you canโt compare a distro which brings out a major new >> version every six months with one that makes a point of keeping version >> upheavals down to one every couple of years. > > > True, but I really wanted to be with Fedora, they just apparently don't > want to be with me. It looks like I've read something like that about another distro not so long ago. Do you believe all the maintainers want you out? -- Si vous avez du temps ร perdre : https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-16 04:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1CXnQ.38505$hYw5.16697@fx11.iad> |
| In reply to | #694931 |
On 8/16/25 4:42 AM, Stรฉphane CARPENTIER wrote: > Le 16-08-2025, Joel W. Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> a รฉcritย : >> On 8/16/25 12:30 AM, Lawrence DโOliveiro wrote: >> >>>> I really don't get it. It said there were updates, I tried to install >>>> them, it just rebooted without going into the special update mode. >>>> Couldn't make it happen, so I decided to download the recently released >>>> Debian 13 "trixie". So far it's been fine. > > If you change your distro each time something goes wrong, you'll never > improve. If you really are the tech guy you pretend to be, you should be > able to fix it. > >>> To be fair, you canโt compare a distro which brings out a major new >>> version every six months with one that makes a point of keeping version >>> upheavals down to one every couple of years. >> >> True, but I really wanted to be with Fedora, they just apparently don't >> want to be with me. > > It looks like I've read something like that about another distro not so > long ago. Do you believe all the maintainers want you out? It may be buggy software, it may be sabotage, it's hard to know. Suffice to say I won't use Fedora again. -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-16 19:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107qnci$1t3dc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #694934 |
On 2025-08-16, Joel W. Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: > On 8/16/25 4:42 AM, Stรฉphane CARPENTIER wrote: >> Le 16-08-2025, Joel W. Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> a รฉcritย : >>> On 8/16/25 12:30 AM, Lawrence DโOliveiro wrote: >>> >>>>> I really don't get it. It said there were updates, I tried to install >>>>> them, it just rebooted without going into the special update mode. >>>>> Couldn't make it happen, so I decided to download the recently released >>>>> Debian 13 "trixie". So far it's been fine. >> >> If you change your distro each time something goes wrong, you'll never >> improve. If you really are the tech guy you pretend to be, you should be >> able to fix it. >> >>>> To be fair, you canโt compare a distro which brings out a major new >>>> version every six months with one that makes a point of keeping version >>>> upheavals down to one every couple of years. >>> >>> True, but I really wanted to be with Fedora, they just apparently don't >>> want to be with me. >> >> It looks like I've read something like that about another distro not so >> long ago. Do you believe all the maintainers want you out? > > > It may be buggy software, it may be sabotage, it's hard to know. > Suffice to say I won't use Fedora again. > Aren't you the same person who was claiming that Microsoft somehow sabotaged your Windows install? -- pothead "Our lives are fashioned by our choices. First we make our choices. Then our choices make us." -- Anne Frank
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| From | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-16 16:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <jF5oQ.100332$4dS5.51461@fx16.iad> |
| In reply to | #694979 |
On 8/16/25 3:49 PM, pothead wrote: >> It may be buggy software, it may be sabotage, it's hard to know. >> Suffice to say I won't use Fedora again. >> > Aren't you the same person who was claiming that Microsoft somehow sabotaged your > Windows install? That was in a different era. -- Joel W. Crump
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-16 22:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mgcgchFitriU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #694982 |
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 16:15:11 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote: > On 8/16/25 3:49 PM, pothead wrote: > >>> It may be buggy software, it may be sabotage, it's hard to know. >>> Suffice to say I won't use Fedora again. >>> >> Aren't you the same person who was claiming that Microsoft somehow >> sabotaged your Windows install? > > > That was in a different era. SSDD
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-08-17 08:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fbkoQ.206092$Bui1.122259@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #694979 |
On 2025-08-16 3:49 p.m., pothead wrote: > On 2025-08-16, Joel W. Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 8/16/25 4:42 AM, Stรฉphane CARPENTIER wrote: >>> Le 16-08-2025, Joel W. Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> a รฉcritย : >>>> On 8/16/25 12:30 AM, Lawrence DโOliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>>>> I really don't get it. It said there were updates, I tried to install >>>>>> them, it just rebooted without going into the special update mode. >>>>>> Couldn't make it happen, so I decided to download the recently released >>>>>> Debian 13 "trixie". So far it's been fine. >>> >>> If you change your distro each time something goes wrong, you'll never >>> improve. If you really are the tech guy you pretend to be, you should be >>> able to fix it. >>> >>>>> To be fair, you canโt compare a distro which brings out a major new >>>>> version every six months with one that makes a point of keeping version >>>>> upheavals down to one every couple of years. >>>> >>>> True, but I really wanted to be with Fedora, they just apparently don't >>>> want to be with me. >>> >>> It looks like I've read something like that about another distro not so >>> long ago. Do you believe all the maintainers want you out? >> >> >> It may be buggy software, it may be sabotage, it's hard to know. >> Suffice to say I won't use Fedora again. >> > Aren't you the same person who was claiming that Microsoft somehow sabotaged your > Windows install? I'm surprised that Joel didn't accuse Microsoft of being transphobic. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage Islam is the enemy John 14:6
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-17 19:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mgeon0F32aU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #695057 |
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 08:47:05 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > I'm surprised that Joel didn't accuse Microsoft of being transphobic. Microsoft, despite its many faults, seems to be focused on making money rather than political statements.
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-08-17 15:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <18qoQ.218612$Bui1.184116@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #695086 |
On 2025-08-17 3:26 p.m., rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 08:47:05 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> I'm surprised that Joel didn't accuse Microsoft of being transphobic. > > Microsoft, despite its many faults, seems to be focused on making money > rather than political statements. Not entirely. They routinely promote diversity, even in the Bing wallpaper app. I got a fag flag one day which prompted me from completely removing the app responsible. The company also encourages its employees to seek out transitions for their children, as if they had some demonic agenda to promote. In light of the fact that the alternative isn't much better, I'm forced to just use what works best. Despite its many flaws, Windows works better on this machine. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage Islam is the enemy John 14:6
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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-18 11:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107v1dc$2vqpe$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #695086 |
On 2025-08-17, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 08:47:05 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote: > >> I'm surprised that Joel didn't accuse Microsoft of being transphobic. > > Microsoft, despite its many faults, seems to be focused on making money > rather than political statements. Too bad you can't say the same for its co-founder, Gates. -- Definition of Insanity: Thinking you can beat the Bear on his own territory.
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